Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=GdAloha;5920541]Amber at NLBC or Mia at Diamond. What are your thoughts if you've seen both.[/QUOTE]Once in the morning and once at night.

[QUOTE=SteadyWins;5920603]Yuna is a Japanese name, small typo. Cleared with manager that it's Yoona, given by her Korean side, but def speaks more Chinese. Excited to see how she looks like and seeing the old time ATF Lisa.[/QUOTE]Well it's a totallly fake working name first of all. Secondly, spelling was never my strong suit. I always excelled more in penmanship and astrophysics in school.

Mr MuffMan.

[QUOTE=DeeeezNutss;5920793]Heard Lisa and Cici are new and improved LOL! If they were hot then, better get ready.[/QUOTE]Lisa looks amazing! Looking forward to seeing Cici as well.

Mr MuffMan.

I have been with VIP and NLBC for a year now going on 2. Hit up Mina to ask who was working today and she replied Amber and Apple. I book an appointment with Amber. I got to NLBC and amber comes out to see me with kisses and guides me to an empty room and tells me she will be right back with me. I undress, leave the HF and tip on the table and lay down. 5-10 min later Apple comes in to to say Hi and starts kissing me and then asking for the HF. I said I left it on the table. Apple takes the HF and tip on the table and leaves the room. Apple then comes back and starts kissing me again and starts to caress junior. She then start undressing and then I tell her to wait because I made an appointment with Amber. This is when shit goes downhill from here. Apple gets really pissed and demands that I tip an extra 40 to her because she kissed me. I said no because I called way ahead of time to book my appointment with Amber. She keeps arguing with me that I need to pay her and shits going no where, so I pick up my phone to hit up mina again about the situation. Before I can tell mina the situation, Apple starts slapping my hip and trying to yank the phone from my hands. I did not in any way try to hurt Apple, and kept telling her to stop. Finally Amber comes in and I'm really heated / pissed at this point. Amber comes in to find out the situation and gets Apple to leave the room. I've seen amber multiple times and this was the most bizarre situation I have ever been in. Amber apologizes about what happened and wants to try to make it up to me and take care of me. I'm past 20 minutes after my appointment time and still heated. I don't want to take any other customers time if they made an appointment so I just ask for my money back and tell Amber ill come back another time. Amber is so sweet and charming that she tries to insist that she will take care of me. I like Amber a lot but I'm in such a bad mood about the situation that I know my time with amber is going to be such a shit show, basically blue balled at this point. Amber understands and gives back the HF+tip and apologizes again for what happened. Amber gives me kiss and guides me out.

YMMV. Hope why'all are having a safe and fun experience. I have been with VIP and NLBC multiple times and never experienced something like this.

Went into 7 spa while I was out in SD today and drew Kayla!! She is amazing! She treats the boys very nice and give a great BBBJ!! She even let me cof! Which is unheard of in phx! Thanks for all the help fellow mongers!

Hello, mist asian provided are slim. I prefer tall and curvy asian girl, preferable age in 30 to 50. Can you one help?

Hello, I can't find NLBC in google. Any help.

[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;5920871]Well it's a totallly fake working name first of all. Secondly, spelling was never my strong suit. I always excelled more in penmanship and astrophysics in school.

Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]Dang man, I never meant to get you to reply with a flex LOL. Just a correction, which my point and intention went over your head. It was more for them not us LOL. The spelling was no way in your fault Mr. Astrophysicist, cheers bud.

[QUOTE=JonasBros;5920962] I said I left it on the table. Apple takes the HF and tip on the table and leaves the room. Apple then comes back and starts kissing me again and starts to caress junior. She then start undressing and then I tell her to wait because I made an appointment with Amber. This is when shit goes downhill from here. Apple gets really pissed and demands that I tip an extra 40 to her because she kissed me. I said no because I called way ahead of time to book my appointment with Amber. She keeps arguing with me that I need to pay her and shits going no where, so I pick up my phone to hit up mina again about the situation. Before I can tell mina the situation, Apple starts slapping my hip and trying to yank the phone from my hands.[/QUOTE]Oh man, so sorry to hear about that. Apple sounds like a real piece of work. Curious why you called Mina? She used to be the owner of the VIP in Spring Valley and then she sold this place.

[QUOTE=Stzas;5920973]Went into 7 spa while I was out in SD today and drew Kayla!! She is amazing! She treats the boys very nice and give a great BBBJ!! She even let me cof! Which is unheard of in phx! Thanks for all the help fellow mongers![/QUOTE]Glad you had a great visit. You definitely had a great provider with Kayla, who has quickly become one of my ATFs. The good thing is Phx, AZ is not that far from SD. If you liked 7 Spa, you have to try 108, Diamond, and NLBC on your next visit.

[QUOTE=JonasBros;5920962]I have been with VIP and NLBC for a year now going on 2. Hit up Mina to ask who was working today and she replied Amber and Apple. I book an appointment with Amber. I got to NLBC and amber comes out to see me with kisses and guides me to an empty room and tells me she will be right back with me. I undress, leave the HF and tip on the table and lay down. 5-10 min later Apple comes in to to say Hi and starts kissing me and then asking for the HF. I said I left it on the table. Apple takes the HF and tip on the table and leaves the room. Apple then comes back and starts kissing me again and starts to caress junior. She then start undressing and then I tell her to wait because I made an appointment with Amber. This is when shit goes downhill from here. Apple gets really pissed and demands that I tip an extra 40 to her because she kissed me. I said no because I called way ahead of time to book my appointment with Amber. She keeps arguing with me that I need to pay her and shits going no where, so I pick up my phone to hit up mina again about the situation. Before I can tell mina the situation, Apple starts slapping my hip and trying to yank the phone from my hands. I did not in any way try to hurt Apple, and kept telling her to stop. Finally Amber comes in and I'm really heated / pissed at this point. Amber comes in to find out the situation and gets Apple to leave the room. I've seen amber multiple times and this was the most bizarre situation I have ever been in. Amber apologizes about what happened and wants to try to make it up to me and take care of me. I'm past 20 minutes after my appointment time and still heated. I don't want to take any other customers time if they made an appointment so I just ask for my money back and tell Amber ill come back another time. Amber is so sweet and charming that she tries to insist that she will take care of me. I like Amber a lot but I'm in such a bad mood about the situation that I know my time with amber is going to be such a shit show, basically blue balled at this point. Amber understands and gives back the HF+tip and apologizes again for what happened. Amber gives me kiss and guides me out.

YMMV. Hope why'all are having a safe and fun experience. I have been with VIP and NLBC multiple times and never experienced something like this.[/QUOTE]Made an appt with Amber. Got to the place and parked, texted I'm here should I come in. Yes. Got in there 3 minutes later and was told by Apple that Amber is with someone, wait for 30 minutes. I'm pissed, but start to wait. After 5 minutes I say fuck this and leave and Apple comes rushing down the hallway grabbing me asking me not to leave in a rather pushy way. Told her to knock it off and split. Not as egregious as yours, but Apple is a little off (IMO). And I wasn't attracted to her as a consolation prize.

[QUOTE=Pain2019;5919829]Any idea where she works.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Paradise Spa.

Anyone have any leads on AMPs that have phillipinas working? Inbox me if you have a spot. Tia.

As was reported in the VIP thread (you can scroll down and read the posts), the owners of VIP in Spring Valley have decided to sell the business. They have now also decided it's best to temporarily reopen it though, and have it operational to show perspective buyers. As a result of this somewhat last minute decision, and the girls who would normally be working for them already scheduled with other massage parlors around the country, the schedule for girls working for NLBC and VIP will be a little wacky this week. Good news is Mina will be joining them. So for today, Mina and Cici wll be available at NLBC. Lisa will be getting VIP ready for reopening. That shouldn't take too long, and after that there's a good chance Mina will slide over to VIP as well. I have not received word on the new girl. I would suggest calling or texting this week to find out where they are as it's a fluid situation. We're hoping it sells quickly, and once it does all the girls will be back to NLBC. Sorry guys for the confusion on this, they keep changing it on me (welcome to the world of AMP). I hope to also have an announcement soon about NLBC and which girls will be available in June.

Mr MuffMan.

I went to see Amy yesterday. She looked fresh and charming after haven't seen for 1 month. The moment she greeted me at door, a voice whisper in my mind that "her pussy is going to smell freshy too". Hehe.

Once got into the room, we were making out DFK, fonding, cuddling as long-time missing lovers. I told her I already had a good shower before I came. She complimented she could smell the cleanliness of my body and she loved my smell. "Then suck me hard and deep" I smiled to her. She nodded her head slowly 2 times and making sound" UHM" with sweet smiles. I told her I wanted everything today and we could do the massage later. She got undressed and revealed a nice pair of C's, had a nice shape body with a fucking round ass. We DFK for a bit more then I got face down on the table, she started with a cat bath me, worked to my ass and some light rim, on the flip. She proceeded to lick my balls and shaft, as I finger her, then got into 69 to keep her mouth busy while I enjoyed her clit with kiss and sucking. After a good 10 minutes, she brought in a cup of warm water and started to warm water BBBJ show that gave me a nice, warm exotic feeling before actually fucking with my dick. She mounted me and went for a spin in CG, her tits bouncing up and down while I fucked her in Mish, switched to a side fuck, after that we were in doggy style, and I just grabbed her ass and didn't let go. When I was about to burst, I pulled out and she started to suck on the rod hard into her mouth and blew a load right inside.

She went to get a hot towel cleaned me up, then gave me an awesome massage for the rest of time.

She was very enthusiastic, great body, fun to be around, excellent performance, super satisfaction. 4 thumbs up! LOL.

She asked when I would come again. I said ASAP.

Anyone remember hongs spa on university? That was the go to spot for best service hands down. Anyone know where Julia from Hong could be, she was a Latina built like Sofia at moon.

[QUOTE=TheDudeInSd;5921140]Oh man, so sorry to hear about that. Apple sounds like a real piece of work. Curious why you called Mina? She used to be the owner of the VIP in Spring Valley and then she sold this place.[/QUOTE]VIP is owned by a group of investors, not one or two people. The majority of the group felt the Hillcrest location was not a viable storefront AMP (it's not, it's an office suite), and wanted to sell. Another group was put together (with a few people from the first group and some other investors) and purchased NLBC. A little confusing I know. This is why you see some crossover in talent, but they are two separate business entities. All of the investors in VIP are unanimous in the decision to sell Spring Valley. This is the last and only time I will say anything about this as it is nobody's business or concern here.

Mr MuffMan.

[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;5922209]VIP is owned by a group of investors, not one or two people. The majority of the group felt the Hillcrest location was not a viable storefront AMP (it's not, it's an office suite), and wanted to sell. Another group was put together (with a few people from the first group and some other investors) and purchased NLBC. A little confusing I know. This is why you see some crossover in talent, but they are two separate business entities. All of the investors in VIP are unanimous in the decision to sell Spring Valley. This is the last and only time I will say anything about this as it is nobody's business or concern here.

Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it better myself Muffman. It took me a bit to find out myself but makes sense that we know two different investors who share information. I did find it a bit weird Mina was still associated with NLBC but considering her proficient English and communication skills, it's not add to still have her assist in the business. Even if remotely.

Owners within this world do change all the time.

[QUOTE=Nevcantel;5921701]Anyone have any leads on AMPs that have phillipinas working? Inbox me if you have a spot. Tia.[/QUOTE]Check out Jollibee Spa, they have two locations north and south of SD. I would call ahead they tend to get busy.

LMAO. Jollibee is a popular fast food chain in the PI. There is one in National City on Plaza Blvd. Good to know there's filipina AMP.

[URL]https://locations.jollibeefoods.com/usa/ca/national-city/1401-e-plaza-blvd[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wzrd94;5922548]Check out Jollibee Spa, they have two locations north and south of SD. I would call ahead they tend to get busy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wzrd94;5922548]Check out Jollibee Spa, they have two locations north and south of SD. I would call ahead they tend to get busy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UCBaja2;5922581]LMAO. Jollibee is a popular fast food chain in the PI. There is one in National City on Plaza Blvd. Good to know there's filipina AMP.

[URL]https://locations.jollibeefoods.com/usa/ca/national-city/1401-e-plaza-blvd[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, great information. I know of the Jollibee restaurants but didn't know of spas. I'll definitely have to go check out the spas. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wzrd94;5922548]Check out Jollibee Spa, they have two locations north and south of SD. I would call ahead they tend to get busy.[/QUOTE]I just about spit my Drink Out. I might need to stop by I heard the got a spicy girl named joy there.

[QUOTE=Wzrd94;5922548]Check out Jollibee Spa, they have two locations north and south of SD. I would call ahead they tend to get busy.[/QUOTE]Goldilocks Spa would've been halfway believable. Red Ribbon Spa also plausible. If you said Andok’s Spa I’d say get off that shabu. Smh

[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;5922689]Goldilocks Spa would've been halfway believable. Red Ribbon Spa probably the best tho.[/QUOTE]Nothing beats Mangoes Spa though. Manila mangoes, yummy!

[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;5922689]Goldilocks Spa would've been halfway believable. Red Ribbon Spa also plausible. If you said Andoks Spa Id say get off that shabu. Smh[/QUOTE]Clear as mud on the Filipinas as we both know do not exist.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;5922209]VIP is owned by a group of investors, not one or two people. The majority of the group felt the Hillcrest location was not a viable storefront AMP (it's not, it's an office suite), and wanted to sell. Another group was put together (with a few people from the first group and some other investors) and purchased NLBC. A little confusing I know. This is why you see some crossover in talent, but they are two separate business entities. All of the investors in VIP are unanimous in the decision to sell Spring Valley. This is the last and only time I will say anything about this as it is nobody's business or concern here.

Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]Thanks Muffman. Appreciate you explaining all of this to us. I am just super stoked that Hillcrest is such a much better business and safer establishment. San Diego as a whole is so much safer than Spring Valley because we don't have little hall monitor cops that care. These girls at the Hillcrest location are super busy and provide great service. Looking forward to seeing them for many years to come.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=SeanMendez345;5922596]I just about spit my Drink Out. I might need to stop by I heard the got a spicy girl named joy there.[/QUOTE]Yeah I heard she's gravy!

[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;5922689]Goldilocks Spa would've been halfway believable. Red Ribbon Spa also plausible. If you said Andoks Spa Id say get off that shabu. Smh[/QUOTE]Shabu LOL.

[QUOTE=Eric9966;5922031]I went to see Amy yesterday, …she brought in a cup of warm water and started to warm water BBBJ show that gave me a nice, warm exotic feeling before actually fucking with my dick. She mounted me and went for a spin in CG, her tits bouncing up and down while I fucked her in Mish, switched to a side fuck[/QUOTE]So you went straight from BBBJ to fucking without a cover??

How much did you Tip Amy to go Raw?

Or did you leave out an important detail?

Was able to take the afternoon off and grab a flight to visit my ATF GFE Eva.

As usual, she met me in the front, locked on with DFK and started rubbing my crotch.

She led me into the room, locked the door and ripped my clothes off LOL.

I told my dear to leave the massage til later.

She started with the cat bath and we never looked back. 45 minutes later, hot and sweaty, I finished in the cover as we both O'd together.

Ten minute intermission as we cuddled and talked.

Then round two. 40 min later she pumped me completely dry to the very last drop, then spit in a towel.

Then a really nice CMT massage.

I'll be back in a couple of weeks.

I think next time I'm out I'll look for a beachfront condo for a near future move.

Suggestions?

Wanted to switch things up a bit from NLBC. (Still hunting for my Latina Mina Texted Uspa to see if LuLu was around but she wasn't available but got a strong recommendation for Cherry. I ask if it is the same great service and get the expected response that it is but Cherry is at Wspa. I bite and make my appointment. I show up up and meet Cherry. Very slender Chinese woman. Rocking body, but her face is lacking. Look early 40's. I'm disappointed in the looks (NLBC has ruined me) but I know her body will get the job done. .6 Hf and $.4 tip laid on table in plain view.

Start with an amazing massage. This woman is skilled and it felt amazing. This is a legit massage. Huge win in my book. This goes on for 30 minutes. I am teasing her ass and pussy during the massage to make the message clear where this will go. At that point, the massage was worth it alone. We get to the flip and I am ready go. She asks to to give me BBBJ and my response was to slide my finger inside her extremely tight pussy and say I want this. She laughs and asks if I have a hat. Thinking shit, striking out. I tell her no and she asks if I am clean. I reply yes and she begins to kiss me. Never mind, I am getting mine today. We begin with BBBJ and she is pretty good (she is no Mina or Daisy) but still great technique and lots of attention to the boys and taint. She climbs up and begins to bounce one after taking some time to make my way in (did mention she is TIGHT). Lots of DFK and very enthusiastic cg. She keeps reminding me to be quiet, but then she starts to shake and collapses on me (great acting, almost had me convinced I got her there). I lay her down and more kissing and then on to DATY and DATO. Very yummy and another great acting job. On to mish until I am ready to explode. I whisper inside and she kisses me. One creampie coming right up. I'm spent at this point. She cleans herself and me up. I still had 15 min left on my hr but I was spent and in a rush so I got ready to leave. Turns out she wasn't done massaging me and asked me to stay longer LOL.

Overall, great time. Just wish her face was cuter. Will I go back. Maybe, that massage really was on point. Give me that massage with NLBC caliber women, plus bbfscip and I'll be a customer for life. Well, until I find my Latina Mina some day. Enjoy peeps.

I kind of got back into the hobby post Mina / VIP phenomenon so I always had to live vicariously through the old posts. I finally got to see Mina at NLBC for her short stint, and I don't know how, but she still blew my expectations away even after all the build up. She is the prettiest girl I've seen in an AMP bar none and I feel lucky to finally have met her. For sure going to repeat during the two weeks she is here.

I'm going to spare all the naughty details as it's all been covered before. I asked if she will be back at all after these two weeks and she said she will be back "once in a while" so it's good to know that there will be more chances.

I got to meet Cici as well and she seems very sweet. I may have to give her a go soon too.

[QUOTE=Jaguar300ZX;5922967]So you went straight from BBBJ to fucking without a cover??

How much did you Tip Amy to go Raw?

Or did you leave out an important detail?[/QUOTE]Oh No oh No, She put a hat with her mouth. Sorry didn't include that detail.

[QUOTE=Dadoria14;5923494]Wanted to switch things up a bit from NLBC. (Still hunting for my Latina Mina Texted Uspa to see if LuLu was around but she wasn't available but got a strong recommendation for Cherry. I ask if it is the same great service and get the expected response that it is but Cherry is at Wspa. I bite and make my appointment. I show up up and meet Cherry. Very slender Chinese woman. Rocking body, but her face is lacking. Look early 40's. I'm disappointed in the looks (NLBC has ruined me) but I know her body will get the job done. .6 Hf and $.4 tip laid on table in plain view.

Start with an amazing massage. This woman is skilled and it felt amazing. This is a legit massage. Huge win in my book. This goes on for 30 minutes. I am teasing her ass and pussy during the massage to make the message clear where this will go. At that point, the massage was worth it alone. We get to the flip and I am ready go. She asks to to give me BBBJ and my response was to slide my finger inside her extremely tight pussy and say I want this. She laughs and asks if I have a hat. Thinking shit, striking out. I tell her no and she asks if I am clean. I reply yes and she begins to kiss me. Never mind, I am getting mine today. We begin with BBBJ and she is pretty good (she is no Mina or Daisy) but still great technique and lots of attention to the boys and taint. She climbs up and begins to bounce one after taking some time to make my way in (did mention she is TIGHT). Lots of DFK and very enthusiastic cg. She keeps reminding me to be quiet, but then she starts to shake and collapses on me (great acting, almost had me convinced I got her there). I lay her down and more kissing and then on to DATY and DATO. Very yummy and another great acting job. On to mish until I am ready to explode. I whisper inside and she kisses me. One creampie coming right up. I'm spent at this point. She cleans herself and me up. I still had 15 min left on my hr but I was spent and in a rush so I got ready to leave. Turns out she wasn't done massaging me and asked me to stay longer LOL..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review, yeah she is a real fun one. Had the same experience when I saw her last year. Good to know she is still around.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=EkgtrGuru;5923636]I kind of got back into the hobby post Mina / VIP phenomenon so I always had to live vicariously through the old posts. I finally got to see Mina at NLBC for her short stint, and I don't know how, but she still blew my expectations away even after all the build up. She is the prettiest girl I've seen in an AMP bar none and I feel lucky to finally have met her. For sure going to repeat during the two weeks she is here.

I'm going to spare all the naughty details as it's all been covered before. I asked if she will be back at all after these two weeks and she said she will be back "once in a while" so it's good to know that there will be more chances..[/QUOTE]Cici is fun especially if you like taller girls, but Mina is the top of the spa girls for sure. So stoked she is back in Hillcrest.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Dadoria14;5923494]...Texted Uspa to see if LuLu was around but she wasn't available, but got a strong recommendation for Cherry.
I ask if it is the same great service and get the expected response that it is, but Cherry is at Wspa.
I bite and make my appointment. I show up and meet Cherry. Very slender Chinese woman. Rocking body, but her face is lacking.
Look early 40's. I'm disappointed in the looks (NLBC has ruined me) but I know her body will get the job done.
.6 Hf and $.4 tip laid on table in plain view.
Overall, great time. Just wish her face was cuter, ...plus bbfscip[/QUOTE]Awesome Report brother.

Good for you brother, bbfscip for only $1. 4, (you might've caught her during a Luteinizing surge!) -Just remind me not to DATY her after your sessions.
I had a session with Cherry back when she was at U-Spa LG, . And you're correct, she isn't much to look at, -but she was cheap as hell.
(Just close your eyes and focus on your Eva108-Fantasy to get your Nut!) Cherry gave me a nude BBBJ, DATY-69, and HJ-HE for only. 80.
She frowned a little bit at the Tip wanting more, but she accepted it without any drama. I told her I'll be back again soon, she said "Don't Rush" HaHa.
Lulu isn't a supermodel either, but her demon-wicked-tongue & Mad-VJJ-Skillz more than make-up for it. (She knows more about Dick than most Urologists).
I also had a session with Linda over at W-Spa; thin, short hair, mature, but in decent enough shape. (Again, just closed your eyes and focus on your Eva108-Fantasy).
I requested BBBJ and 1-position CFS boom-boom from Linda, she asked me "How much you Tip?
I offered $1. 2 -but she actually countered even lower! -at only $1 -Hey, no argument from me, you can't beat those discount prices.
(maybe she's not aware of the current price structure, or she knows that Discounts bring back repeat customers, or maybe she just wanted to get a good fuck without haggling).
I always bring my own covers (I buy the Japanese. 001's on-line) I don't think W-Spa even provides covers, so the potential for BBFS maybe higher.
Even after the departure of VIP. Spring Valley still has something good to offer.

Who is the tallest girl in all the AMPs?

I know Amber was 5'10.

Any others.

Hey Muffman,

I was driving from Bonita up to paradise valley road, The worthington / Paradise valley light intersection.

And I look to the left and see new grand opening VIP spa, by the O'reilly. Do you know if this is related??

You can DM me if it is on the DL. Very curious!! May have to TOFTT to se what is on the talent list, if not.

Or am I just hopeful thinking, so close that it would be great.

[QUOTE=TheDudeInSd;5922839]Thanks Muffman. Appreciate you explaining all of this to us. I am just super stoked that Hillcrest is such a much better business and safer establishment. San Diego as a whole is so much safer than Spring Valley because we don't have little hall monitor cops that care. These girls at the Hillcrest location are super busy and provide great service. Looking forward to seeing them for many years to come.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

It is not related. One young girl only does HJ and the other will FS but she is old.

[QUOTE=Kwaze;5924185]Hey Muffman,

I was driving from Bonita up to paradise valley road, The worthington / Paradise valley light intersection.

And I look to the left and see new grand opening VIP spa, by the O'reilly. Do you know if this is related??

You can DM me if it is on the DL. Very curious!! May have to TOFTT to se what is on the talent list, if not.

Or am I just hopeful thinking, so close that it would be great.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RexLexNex;5923974]Who is the tallest girl in all the AMPs?

I know Amber was 5'10.

Any others.[/QUOTE]Thai Emily is around there. No idea if / when she'll be back. (I guess she's an AAMP girl, not an AMP girl).