"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4774187]I would say it depends on what kind of Sugar relationship you have with the girl.

If she's your dream girl, half your age or less, cute, reliable, honest, caring, non-greedy where you both truly enjoy spending time, having sex together and the relationship is more than sexual AND you have the means to maintain a "kept woman", then you may consider an ongoing allowance so she has the security of regular income. In my mind, however, any sugar relationship has to evolve into this space over quite some time and until then, it's on a PPM basis only.

Also, I'd want to see and agreement to some give and take on her side before expanding from PPM. For example, if you're in a regular allowance arrangement and you happen to have a lot of availability one week (wife out of town or whatever), and you're exceptionally horny, she should want to make herself available and fuck you silly for the week and not expect any additional allowance. It goes both ways. If she wants to bill in 15 min increments like my lawyer she's never going to be promoted to a regular allowance. She would likely not even be my main girl in that case -- she has the wrong mindset to be a sugar baby, and is better as a straight up prostitute. Girls who are looking for a regular allowance straight out of the gate are almost never the kind of girl you'd want to give a regular allowance to.[/QUOTE]I had been seeing a regular SB for about a month before things started shutting down due to COVID-19. I paid her 800 a month and she would see me once a week and I think we got together twice in a week one time. When things started to shut down I asked if she would be open to PPM for the time being because I didn't know how regular I could be or what my economic situation would be. She got offended and said that felt transactional and I shouldn't come around anymore. A month & 1/2 went by and I saw her back on SA. I reached out to her apologizing for the way I approached it and let her know if she was still interested I could get back to the original arrangement. She was happy to hear from me and will do to that. Saw her Monday and she asked me to come back later this week. She's not putting me on a clock or a meets per week limitation and has earned my trust that I would give her something even if she had to miss a week.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4774216]I had been seeing a regular SB for about a month before things started shutting down due to COVID-19. I paid her 800 a month and she would see me once a week and I think we got together twice in a week one time. When things started to shut down I asked if she would be open to PPM for the time being because I didn't know how regular I could be or what my economic situation would be. She got offended and said that felt transactional and I shouldn't come around anymore. A month & 1/2 went by and I saw her back on SA. I reached out to her apologizing for the way I approached it and let her know if she was still interested I could get back to the original arrangement. She was happy to hear from me and will do to that. Saw her Monday and she asked me to come back later this week. She's not putting me on a clock or a meets per week limitation and has earned my trust that I would give her something even if she had to miss a week.[/QUOTE]My reason to keep things on a PPM basis is precisely to maintain the balance of financial power with me, and not create a feeling of security. You may call it blackmail.

Trusting a female is difficult if her interest in you is financial.

[QUOTE=Dash;4774363]My reason to keep things on a PPM basis is precisely to maintain the balance of financial power with me, and not create a feeling of security. You may call it blackmail.

Trusting a female is difficult if her interest in you is financial.[/QUOTE]Definitely a case-by-case decision by 99 times out of a hundred I wouldn't trust a SB enough to prepay. This one is an exception and they do exist!

[QUOTE=PregnantLover6;4773688]Would you give allowance without meeting? Like for one week, her schedule just couldn't meet you. Do you still give allowance if she request it?[/QUOTE]That's how it starts. Once they know you're a mark that will give them $ for nothing that will become the norm.

Just meet and greet with Andy. She a little bit of a airhead but she is loads of fun. I will be repeating.

[QUOTE=PregnantLover6;4773688]Would you give allowance without meeting? Like for one week, her schedule just couldn't meet you. Do you still give allowance if she request it?[/QUOTE]Like Kwagmire said, it depends on the circumstances. I would say usually "no", especially if you don't know them well. These girls are trying to extract money from you and they may be very clever to exploit weakness. It would also depend on what you expect to get in return.

Having said that, I must admit that a small number of former SBs have reached out and asked me for help, and being a softie (or some would call a chump) I have helped them with fairly small amounts (less than the cost of a typical date). I'm not sure what I'll get out of that. Probably nothing. But in the present crisis we should all be charitable -- my opinion. Mind you, these were girls I dated for a long time and they were very nice to me. Fortunately I'm anonymous, so I don't mind the chump accusation, LOL. To me it's like giving to Red Cross or a similar charity, without the administrative overhead.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4774216]I had been seeing a regular SB for about a month before things started shutting down due to COVID-19. I paid her 800 a month and she would see me once a week and I think we got together twice in a week one time. When things started to shut down I asked if she would be open to PPM for the time being because I didn't know how regular I could be or what my economic situation would be. She got offended and said that felt transactional and I shouldn't come around anymore. A month & 1/2 went by and I saw her back on SA. I reached out to her apologizing for the way I approached it and let her know if she was still interested I could get back to the original arrangement. She was happy to hear from me and will do to that. Saw her Monday and she asked me to come back later this week. She's not putting me on a clock or a meets per week limitation and has earned my trust that I would give her something even if she had to miss a week.[/QUOTE]If she was offended by the idea of temporary PPM, would you mind sharing how things started off? I'm guessing either you trusted her enough to front her the monthly 800, and she held up her end of the deal, or it was the other way around and she trusted you with a month's worth of free pussy before the first payment?

If the latter, you struck gold. I personally would never agree to the former, but that's a YMMV thing. I always explain to them that trust for each other comes after we know each other. I've had situations where they said "no PPM required, just be there when I need you" and it started that way, and I've had some that flat out said on the first date they are really feeling the chemistry and would be interested in being more than just an arrangement to me. In some cases I've partaken. So, similar situations (pussy first pay later) have definitely happened, but it was never based on me suggesting pussy up front and pay at the end of the month.

Or keeping her to yourself.

[QUOTE=Ricrun;4777624]Just meet and greet with Andy. She a little bit of a airhead but she is loads of fun. I will be repeating.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4777706]If she was offended by the idea of temporary PPM, would you mind sharing how things started off? I'm guessing either you trusted her enough to front her the monthly 800, and she held up her end of the deal, or it was the other way around and she trusted you with a month's worth of free pussy before the first payment?

If the latter, you struck gold. I personally would never agree to the former, but that's a YMMV thing. I always explain to them that trust for each other comes after we know each other. I've had situations where they said "no PPM required, just be there when I need you" and it started that way, and I've had some that flat out said on the first date they are really feeling the chemistry and would be interested in being more than just an arrangement to me. In some cases I've partaken. So, similar situations (pussy first pay later) have definitely happened, but it was never based on me suggesting pussy up front and pay at the end of the month.[/QUOTE]We had an initial meet & greet in public, no sex but enjoyed the conversation enough to follow up. Next meeting started out in public, ended up back at her place for sex which was great and she still hadn't brought up money or proposed an amount. It was definitely a leap of faith on my part but I proposed 800/ month and she didn't flinch or hesitate. She held up her end for a month by being available whenever I wanted. When we "broke up" over PPM she told me she had turned down more money because she liked me. Everything's been great since we started again, she turned off her profile and has earned my trust.

I have 2 babies that I have seen for a while on PPM basis. We have bee. Texting or talking regularly during the lock down. Knowing they were hurting, I did mailed them a little help to while they were waiting for their stimulus or unemployment checks to arrive. It wasn't a lot, but both were extremely appreciative. It just thing like the right thing to do.

[QUOTE=Snake27;4777689]Like Kwagmire said, it depends on the circumstances. I would say usually "no", especially if you don't know them well. These girls are trying to extract money from you and they may be very clever to exploit weakness. It would also depend on what you expect to get in return.

Having said that, I must admit that a small number of former SBs have reached out and asked me for help, and being a softie (or some would call a chump) I have helped them with fairly small amounts (less than the cost of a typical date). I'm not sure what I'll get out of that. Probably nothing. But in the present crisis we should all be charitable -- my opinion. Mind you, these were girls I dated for a long time and they were very nice to me. Fortunately I'm anonymous, so I don't mind the chump accusation, LOL. To me it's like giving to Red Cross or a similar charity, without the administrative overhead.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4778398]. When we "broke up" over PPM she told me she had turned down more money because she liked me. Everything's been great since we started again, she turned off her profile and has earned my trust.[/QUOTE]Er, if a girl blocks you, doesn't that look like she turned off her profile and could still be fishing for a better deal all along?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;4778851]Er, if a girl blocks you, doesn't that look like she turned off her profile and could still be fishing for a better deal all along?[/QUOTE]I have a dummy profile with another user name so I can get on the site and check for that kind of thing, she's off.

Richmond gents,

Any intel on this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/80fbb3ca-12fd-49f6-919c-602da8a4a52a[/URL]

She is also posting on sd4 me and answered one of my messages, but I got the feeling she was only selling pics, kik.

Skins.

[QUOTE=BStreet;4778121]Or keeping her to yourself.

.[/QUOTE]Here's the Andy I've gotten to know. Don't know if it's the same one, but the description fits.

Anyone meet this one or currently seeing her? Feel free to send me a private message if you don't feel like posting publicly. I need some questions answered about her. Haha!!

[QUOTE=LikItFun;4780147]Here's the Andy I've gotten to know. Don't know if it's the same one, but the description fits.[/QUOTE]There is nothing here here.

Texting sounds promising, so far. Will try to do M&G today or this weekend.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5e452df9-287c-4319-b739-c8bfcc556009[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarkUser;4781162]There is nothing here here.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3c8d762d-b4a6-4e08-ab0a-14431d22ea76[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4787091]Texting sounds promising, so far. Will try to do M&G today or this weekend.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5e452df9-287c-4319-b739-c8bfcc556009[/URL][/QUOTE]I went back and forth with her about a year ago. I never ended up meeting up with her but it was all on the table, straight to fc. I just chose other options when I had time.

Brothers,

What are the potential places for a M&G with a POT / SB during the lockdown?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;4788805]Brothers,

What are the potential places for a M&G with a POT / SB during the lockdown?[/QUOTE]Restaurants that do takeout and pubic parks should work.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;4788805]Brothers,

What are the potential places for a M&G with a POT / SB during the lockdown?[/QUOTE]As long as you know they are dtf at the meeting then I suggest a hotel room. I've met every sb at the FC and never struck out but I also spend a lot of time talking to them via text or Snapchat so I know they are willing to do whatever I'm interested in.

[QUOTE=DickLongwood;4789322]Restaurants that do takeout and pubic parks should work.[/QUOTE]Hey, there's no doubt that a 'pubic' park is what we're going for. LOL.

[QUOTE=Ricrun;4777624]Just meet and greet with Andy. She a little bit of a airhead but she is loads of fun. I will be repeating.[/QUOTE]What's her ppm?

I am from the Hampton Roads area but travel to Richmond often. Anyone have any reports about this one. Chatted a bit. Seems nice. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Will return the favor if anyone has any 757 questions.

Artworks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2a2d877b-1a6c-4dac-b445-f3a2499e66f4[/URL]

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4792208]What's her ppm?[/QUOTE]I'm not OP, but she quoted me 400. Wasn't able to negotiate down, but YMMV. She's definitely open to meeting up. Good luck if you pursue.

[QUOTE=WaterBoi;4796231]I'm not OP, but she quoted me 400. Wasn't able to negotiate down, but YMMV. She's definitely open to meeting up. Good luck if you pursue.[/QUOTE]Same with me plus she wanted me to host. I never responded. Plenty of other options that are much less than 400 + room.

I had a dream with a 35-year-old UTR that was spectacular. I found her through a mutual friend and agreed to meet her and take her to a private location, as she is outcall only.

When I picked her up she was dressed in the cutest nurses uniform and the way she filled it out made my mouth water. Her cleavage is long low and marvelous.

She was smiling and her large liquid eyes made my heart skip a beat.

We talked as I drove and she told me what she was looking for in a man. She wanted to talk about sex, how it consumed her and how she felt she needed to have it all the time. She worked in a very non-sexy environment and her SO was less than satisfying. When she got away from all that she wanted to be treated like a real woman by a white man with a major endowment. BWC is the term she used. She told me she did not want a lot of partners, only one preferably but she could deal with two regulars. Her finances were not sufficient and she needed some modest help; something in the order of 400 a week. She spoke more of satisfaction than time. Leaving me with the impression she was not going to watch a clock. She just wanted some financial help and some great sex.

Of course I volunteered immediately and she said, "We will see how you do. ".

She is beautiful and sexy and I want her all to my own but that's not the way of the world. If any of you guys want to meet and entertain this lady please PM me.

Be safe and have fun.

There is much, much better available for much less. You can do much better.

[QUOTE=Hope1945;4800130]I had a dream with a 35-year-old UTR that was spectacular. I found her through a mutual friend and agreed to meet her and take her to a private location, as she is outcall only.

When I picked her up she was dressed in the cutest nurses uniform and the way she filled it out made my mouth water. Her cleavage is long low and marvelous.

She was smiling and her large liquid eyes made my heart skip a beat.

We talked as I drove and she told me what she was looking for in a man. She wanted to talk about sex, how it consumed her and how she felt she needed to have it all the time. She worked in a very non-sexy environment and her SO was less than satisfying. When she got away from all that she wanted to be treated like a real woman by a white man with a major endowment. BWC is the term she used. She told me she did not want a lot of partners, only one preferably but she could deal with two regulars. Her finances were not sufficient and she needed some modest help; something in the order of 400 a week. She spoke more of satisfaction than time. Leaving me with the impression she was not going to watch a clock. She just wanted some financial help and some great sex.

Of course I volunteered immediately and she said, "We will see how you do. ".

She is beautiful and sexy and I want her all to my own but that's not the way of the world. If any of you guys want to meet and entertain this lady please PM me.

Be safe and have fun.[/QUOTE]

TGTBT?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0141570a-5f87-4079-89e9-f8e6e01f77a5[/URL]

[URL]https://images.seeking.com/prod/photos/4fef8f1b-9220-4d63-a37b-04dad1c33570_2x.jpg[/URL]

Found real hot one looks better than pics really gets into it even though she is older and pricey than what I prefer but I think she is worth it perfect size petite with huge awesome tits on a MILF and all doors open enjoyed every minute of it can't wait to see her again.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/91d1e1c1-1f8e-420c-a4bc-c43fcb71ff79[/URL]

[QUOTE=DickLongwood;4804529]TGTBT?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0141570a-5f87-4079-89e9-f8e6e01f77a5[/URL]

[URL]https://images.seeking.com/prod/photos/4fef8f1b-9220-4d63-a37b-04dad1c33570_2x.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes she is LOL. The lamest attempt at a scam I have ever encountered. She just wanted me to pay her $9 Netflix bill and I could have my way with her. Even went so far as to set a date and time and gave me an address. I said great just send me a short vid of you saying my name and I'll send it over. Crickets.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f55b1b71-960e-4e9c-9b05-09f726a67b1a[/URL] Talked via kik, sent topless pic immediately unsolicited. I asked for face pic, she sent one. Had cold sore on her lip, I said that was a concern and I would want to make sure she was tested prior to anything. She proceeded to tell me she was in nursing and you get them from being cold. I blocked her and unblocked a few days later. She told me she found my family on facebook and sent them pics. Straight up crazy. Avoid at all costs.

[QUOTE=RVA1978;4805230][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f55b1b71-960e-4e9c-9b05-09f726a67b1a[/URL] Talked via kik, sent topless pic immediately unsolicited. I asked for face pic, she sent one. Had cold sore on her lip, I said that was a concern and I would want to make sure she was tested prior to anything. She proceeded to tell me she was in nursing and you get them from being cold. I blocked her and unblocked a few days later. She told me she found my family on facebook and sent them pics. Straight up crazy. Avoid at all costs.[/QUOTE]How the heck did she find your family on FB? Or was that some dumb idle threat?

BTW there is a difference between oral herpes (cold sores on mouth) and genital herpes that is less likely to be oral, but can be. Between 54 & 67% have HSV-1.

[URL]https://www.everydayhealth.com/cold-sores/hsv-1/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;4806148]How the heck did she find your family on FB? Or was that some dumb idle threat?

BTW there is a difference between oral herpes (cold sores on mouth) and genital herpes that is less likely to be oral, but can be. Between 54 & 67% have HSV-1.

[URL]https://www.everydayhealth.com/cold-sores/hsv-1/[/URL][/QUOTE]The girl in that pic was on sd4 me for a long time, based out of Blacksburg, always gave off a strange vibe, went by Penelope.

A lesson in that post, never ever use any thing that can connect you back to your real name / Facebook / IG etc.

Skins.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5c8f6e8c-5d27-4fbf-a810-9cd3ffb59e07[/URL]

[QUOTE=Skins755;4806347]The girl in that pic was on sd4 me for a long time, based out of Blacksburg, always gave off a strange vibe, went by Penelope.

A lesson in that post, never ever use any thing that can connect you back to your real name / Facebook / IG etc.

Skins.[/QUOTE]Was just a lie. I don't have Facebook. Neither does my family. Just a threat she made.

I've been reading some of the forums here and there about SB's when I have free time. I've never given it serious thought until recent about actually joining SA and making a go of it.

The Richmond forum here seems to be the meca of the SB / SA talk on this site. I figured many of you guys reading this have lots of experience dabbling in the SB world.

Ideally, I'd like to find a SB who's College aged, well spoken and just a regular person with a life, goals, etc.

There's no concrete answer to this I know but when you have an ongoing arrangement with a SB do you find it's usually strictly business or does your SB like you in general and you talk to them from time to time without it being about setting up a time and place to meet?

The main reason I've considered joining is because with some sugar involved it speeds things up and is better than seeing a provider with all of the unknowns that come with it.

Some and I assume most are in their 40's, 50's & 60's but seem to have had some really great experiences. I'm not married; late 20's.

Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated.

LOL. Who knows. In general it; s a bunch of greedy college girls trying to avoid sex while getting money.

If you have some aspirations of a lovely relationship LOL then you need to manifest that organically as the site attracts the wrong type.

If you are in your twenties then it sounds like you just want to pay for an easier guarantee of sex with no commitment? You will have many girls want nothing to do with you because they actually just want money and doing it with a guy near their age will be weird. Some others though may love the idea of one that is young and handsome.

Personally I only see girls as FWB; s / dating. Tinder, real world or the occasional "convert" of SA. Most of these girls are amazing, smart young people that can't relate to most over 30-40 due to most over that age having closed their minds down to the incredibly fluid global culture we live in now. They 'relevency gap' between older and younger is greater than ever. Yet I found most young people are eager to engage and be friends if we just stop being so damn adulty full of stupid sexist remarks we don't even know are sexist lolol. It's a big subject but the main reason a lot of older guys can't date younger girls is all their baggage they never unlearned or fixed throughout their lives. It kinda reeks of "no longer growing / evolving". Not sexy.

A lof of older guys on here have watched way too many movies and talk to a girl like its 1972 lolol So you may do just fine. HMU if ya want. Good luck!

EDIT: I mean nothing disparaging to anyone here, I'm just being light and playful and we should be able to laugh at ourselves!!

[QUOTE=Gyxser70;4809795]I've been reading some of the forums here and there about SB's when I have free time. I've never given it serious thought until recent about actually joining SA and making a go of it.

The Richmond forum here seems to be the meca of the SB / SA talk on this site. I figured many of you guys reading this have lots of experience dabbling in the SB world.

Ideally, I'd like to find a SB who's College aged, well spoken and just a regular person with a life, goals, etc.

There's no concrete answer to this I know but when you have an ongoing arrangement with a SB do you find it's usually strictly business or does your SB like you in general and you talk to them from time to time without it being about setting up a time and place to meet?

The main reason I've considered joining is because with some sugar involved it speeds things up and is better than seeing a provider with all of the unknowns that come with it.

Some and I assume most are in their 40's, 50's & 60's but seem to have had some really great experiences. I'm not married; late 20's.

Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Krill;4810447]LOL. Who knows. In general it; s a bunch of greedy college girls trying to avoid sex while getting money.

If you have some aspirations of a lovely relationship LOL then you need to manifest that organically as the site attracts the wrong type.

If you are in your twenties then it sounds like you just want to pay for an easier guarantee of sex with no commitment? You will have many girls want nothing to do with you because they actually just want money and doing it with a guy near their age will be weird. Some others though may love the idea of one that is young and handsome.

Personally I only see girls as FWB; s / dating. Tinder, real world or the occasional "convert" of SA. Most of these girls are amazing, smart young people that can't relate to most over 30-40 due to most over that age having closed their minds down to the incredibly fluid global culture we live in now. They 'relevency gap' between older and younger is greater than ever. Yet I found most young people are eager to engage and be friends if we just stop being so damn adulty full of stupid sexist remarks we don't even know are sexist lolol. It's a big subject but the main reason a lot of older guys can't date younger girls is all their baggage they never unlearned or fixed throughout their lives. It kinda reeks of "no longer growing / evolving". Not sexy.

A lof of older guys on here have watched way too many movies and talk to a girl like its 1972 lolol So you may do just fine. HMU if ya want. Good luck!

EDIT: I mean nothing disparaging to anyone here, I'm just being light and playful and we should be able to laugh at ourselves!![/QUOTE]You summed it up well; pretty much everything I had already thought. I will pm- thanks.