"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Varoom;1478886]My guess is the odds would be significantly less than 50/50 that she shows tomorrow and goes balls to the wall in the FC. Moreover, I would look for a no-show, or maybe an appearance so that she can inform you of some reason why you shouldn't cast her to the wind, or beg for continuance of the allowance because she is destitute, et al. Can't imagine since you are basically cutting her off at the knees that all will function as normal, so I would be prepared for anything and highly surprised or even shocked if it turns out to be a robust bang-a-rama.[/QUOTE]Well, I am happy to report that those of us (myself included) who thought she wouldn't show, or would show but would give less than 100% effort, were wrong. Very wrong. We both knew it was our last evening, so perhaps there was no pressure to perform. We had a lovely dinner, followed by absolutely mind-blowing sex back at the hotel. I am hopeful my earlier concerns were unfounded and will remain so.

A quick aside: She likes the TV or radio on during sex. I guess she prefers a little background noise. Tonight, it was the TV. Family Guy, in fact, which is not the most romantic choice, but it's better than, say Law and Order SVU (the one with all the creepy sex offenders). Anyway, on tonight's Family Guy, Ollie Williams the black weather guy made an appearance. Just as my baby is deep throating my cock, Ollie lets out one of his "IT'S GONNA RAIN!" forecasts, and she almost starts choking she's laughing so hard. So, we had a little fun, too, and I'll never watch Ollie Williams the same.

I am sorry to let this girl go; she's turned out to be a real gem. It is unfortunate that I have neither the time nor the cash flow to keep her on the payroll long term, but she wasn't shy about telling me to get in touch from time to time, should the mood strike.

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1479816]Well, I am happy to report that those of us (myself included) who thought she wouldn't show, or would show but would give less than 100% effort, were wrong. Very wrong. We both knew it was our last evening, so perhaps there was no pressure to perform. We had a lovely dinner, followed by absolutely mind-blowing sex back at the hotel. I am hopeful my earlier concerns were unfounded and will remain so.

A quick aside: She likes the TV or radio on during sex. I guess she prefers a little background noise. Tonight, it was the TV. Family Guy, in fact, which is not the most romantic choice, but it's better than, say Law and Order SVU (the one with all the creepy sex offenders). Anyway, on tonight's Family Guy, Ollie Williams the black weather guy made an appearance. Just as my baby is deep throating my cock, Ollie lets out one of his "IT'S going to RAIN!" forecasts, and she almost starts choking she's laughing so hard. So, we had a little fun, too, and I'll never watch Ollie Williams the same.

I am sorry to let this girl go; she's turned out to be a real gem. It is unfortunate that I have neither the time nor the cash flow to keep her on the payroll long term, but she wasn't shy about telling me to get in touch from time to time, should the mood strike.[/QUOTE]I'm glad it all ended on good terms for the both of you Joe. Now I'm going to make a prediction of my own. With sex that good, you will be back. Maybe not soon, depending on your other commitments, but if your brain (both little and big one) thinks like mine does, you will not be able to stay away for long. The smart SB is the one that always leaves you with a smile on your face. That way, odds are the little brain will take over and eventually bring you back like a boomerang.

I don't have the strength to stay away from the good ones. The only thing that finally does it for me is a string of bad or lackluster performances.

Alias

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1479816]A quick aside: She likes the TV or radio on during sex. I guess she prefers a little background noise. Tonight, it was the TV. Family Guy, in fact, which is not the most romantic choice, but it's better than, say Law and Order SVU (the one with all the creepy sex offenders). Anyway, on tonight's Family Guy, Ollie Williams the black weather guy made an appearance. Just as my baby is deep throating my cock, Ollie lets out one of his "IT'S GONNA RAIN!" forecasts, and she almost starts choking she's laughing so hard. So, we had a little fun, too, and I'll never watch Ollie Williams the same.[/QUOTE]I'm from the West coast but I was reading this forum since I'm into the SD / SB scene and we don't have a proper Sugarbabies forum over there.

Anyway, this part of your post made me laugh because I also was banging my SB last night while Family Guy was on and had a similar experience, haha. Just thought it was hilarious that 3, 000 miles away another sugar daddy was banging his sugar baby to Family Guy in a hotel room. I wonder how many others were out there, ha.

Well again, I'm glad to see a proper sugarbaby forum on USG. I can relate to the experience of a lot of you guys. I also had to notify "landlord" when I left. I sent the notification after my SB left, but I got delayed because I couldn't find the night-time hotel manager to check out and they didn't have a key-drop off, so I was delayed leaving the hotel by 15-20 minutes just right there. Thankfully the landlord never confirmed the ETA and was too busy watching TV, so the delay was never noticed. But now I know I'm not going to send the notification until I'm actually ready to pull out of the hotel parking lot.

I feel like I caused the topic to go to a grinding halt, haha. So I thought I'd pose a question and ask for a bit of advice.

Over the last several days I've been reading back through this topic (almost about 60% through it so far) and I noticed that even the experienced SDs in this topic almost always have a Meet & Greet with a potential SB before going to a hotel. Is this by choice or necessity?

Out here in southern California, it seems much easier to get an SB to have the first meeting at a hotel or private place. Of the last 5 SBs I've met, I met all 5 at a hotel or private place on the very first meeting. Before you ask, yes these were true SBs / non pros. Not UTR or semi-pros. 4 out of the 5 girls, were college girls living at home. The other one was a struggling hair stylist also living at home. I'd say all were about 7-8 in the looks department.

My usual routine is to talk to them initially over email (hopefully getting a Facebook hit in the process). I try to get all the details out of the way before we even meet. So I'll say I'm a generous man, but I need to be discreet. I explain that if we meet in town it will need to be mostly behind closed doors. Most of the girls I correspond with understand what this means. Usually around this time, they ask how much I can help them with. I then give them a per meet offer based on. 1). Do they have a place where we can meet or will I always need to rent a room. 2). How far or close by they live. 3). Do I want her as a backup or primary SB.

Some girls will reject the offer, some girls accept it. If she accepts and I want to start moving things forward, I then give her my GV# and start setting up plans to meet. Since they know I need to be discreet and all the details have already been worked out, the first meet is usually directly at a private place or hotel room. Keep in mind, some of these girls need to be discreet too. They don't want their parents, friends, or boyfriend seeing them at a restaurant / bar with some older guy on a perceived date. Most of the SBs I've talked to, need some discretion as well so as long as you don't give them any "creeper" vibes, they're happy to skip the M&G.

However I agree, there are some advantages to a M&G. You can feel out the girl and see if there is any chemistry before you dole out any large amounts of cash. But at the same time, I think it's also easier for the girl to get cold feet and conversations can get awkward at times, especially when you're talking with someone 10-30 years younger than you. Also more importantly for me, I'm married so it's extremely risky for me to have a dozen M&Gs in public areas in a span of just a couple of months time. I prefer to do my M&G on the hotel table or bed. Talk for a bit to get comfortable and soon as any awkward silence hits, just jump into the action. Then between rounds, have more "M&G" time. This usually gives me a good enough vibe if I want to see her again anyway. If we don't click at all, then it was basically a one-night stand where we both benefited.

Anyway, I do encounter some girls that I don't always want to take the hotel room right away or I need to warm them up a little bit first. Do you guys have any advice for how a married guy can do a public M&G without it being such a huge risk for exposure? I'm in my 30s and can sometimes pass for mid / late 20s, so I usually don't attract too much attention if I'm with someone who at least looks over 21. However even on normal days with my family, we keep randomly bumping into friends, associates, and acquaintances. And those are the ones we saw. I'm sure people have seen me without saying anything. So I really don't want to go to a public place with my SB within a 45-50 mile radius of where I live. I also work from home, so it's very hard just to disappear for several hours. It takes a lot of groundwork for me to get that much free time and I don't want to waste it on a possible fruitless M&G. This is pretty much why I always push just to meet directly in the hotel.

So I'd love to hear advice from other married SD / Mongers here who work from home while also trying to balance the SD / SB lifestyle. I definitely would appreciate any tips on creating more "free time" that doesn't raise suspicions from the Warden. Right now, my gym time is the only window I have during the week.

Okay, now I really feel like I'm flooding the board, but it's Sunday night and I finally got a little free time to myself, so what else am I going to do? But apologies ahead of time for those I'm annoying with my posts.

Anyway, I wanted to share a little bit of my experience that I've been having with a new SB over the last several weeks. A few weeks ago, she responded to my CL ad and actually asked if she could work as my secretary since I mentioned I was a successful businessman in my ad. I basically said I'd think about it (ha!) and we should start a traditional SD / SB relationship first. But what's the most interesting thing about her is that she's 21 and she's supposedly still a virgin! So that's why I'll call her Chastity SB. I was pretty doubtful at first because you don't see too many attractive 21 year-olds who are still virgins these days. I'd rate her about a 7 in looks, an 8 when she puts effort into it. Nice average / slim body. But when I went to her Facebook page (she directed me toward it) and went through it in depth, I finally figured out why she's still a virgin. She's very religious and still lives at home.

But it's pretty clear, a part of her is ready to break free. So not only did we start txting a quite a bit, but also sexting! She really got turned on by the idea of being my secretary and likes role-playing the naughty secretary. She also calls me Daddy all the time and sends me nice little flirtatious txts at least a couple times a day. This all before I've even given her a single cent! And she initiates a lot of it. I told her I would help pay for her college, but since it's just community college and she just wants to take a few classes, it'll only cost a few hundred yet she was super appreciative. She's still unsure if she's ready to have sex, but she's willing to do other "activities" while we work our way up to it.

I adore her already because it just feels like what a real SD / SB relationship should be. I can feel she has a genuine attraction for me in addition to the promise of money. I like how she flirts with me without me having to outline it in a contract or something. And since she's completely fresh, her needs are pretty modest. The other day she asked if I could buy her a bicycle. So she's not trying to juice thousands per month.

THAT said. Because she's religious, I always dread Sundays. It's been like clockwork the past couple of weeks. Every Sunday, she gets cold feet and says,"it's wrong. I'm not that kind of girl. I'm so sorry, I can't do this" Then I have to do some sweet talk and talk her off the ledge. Last week I got annoyed and saw a backup SB. Happened again tonight where she had another moral freakout, but I think I did a better job this time so hopefully she'll stay uninhibited longer this time, LOL.

We still haven't actually met yet. This is partially why in my previous post I was asking for ways to do a M&G in public but discreetly. I'm pretty sure taking her to a hotel right away will scare her off. I need to romance her a bit more.

I would really love to make Chastity SB my prime SB. But there's just so many variables right now. It's been tough to get her to commit for a date for an exact day or time, so I may never actually see her in person at this rate. She clearly has a sexual side she wants to explore, but she may just want to keep it purely txt-based for now. So arranging the first meet has been and will be a challenge. I'm hoping once I can put some sugar in her hand and touch her untouched sexual buttons, she'll be hooked.

But for now, I don't really consider her my prime or backup SB. She's more of my special project. But right now she's not costing me any money and I enjoy txting with her, so I'm willing to be patient. I know some girls would demand a 500-1000 monthly allowance just to do the type of consistent and flirtatious txts she does for free.

I'll keep you guys updated with my progress.

John, Looks like its just you and I that are posting on this board these days. Highly unusual to see the board go dormant for so long so I can only speculate that the hot and family-busy summer months have taken their toll on all of the SD activity. I know it's harder for me to get free time out of the house when there are lawns to mow, vacations to plan, and family coming to town to entertain. It's also a busy time at work for me so my free time suffers.

I'm not an expert on the M&G topic, but I do consider it a necessary evil in the true world of SD / SB relations. In my experience, it's hard to convince the true non-pro to go straight to the fucking chamber on the first date without a chance to personally see each other and kick the tires so to speak. I'd love to skip the ritual myself, but don't see that happening, at least in my neck of the woods. It seems ingrained in the SB culture here (in the conservative South) , and thats not likely to change anytime soon. That being said, I think you can reduce your risks considerably if you use your (big) head and take some precautions. I'm married also, but don't have the work-from-home restrictions that you do. I can usually get away for longer lunch periods at my work at least once or twice a week without causing any suspicions. So I almost always suggest a quick lunch to the interested SB. If you pick a spot away from work and normal family hangouts (and away from popular spots like the shopping mall) you reduce the risk of seeing family, friends, and co-workers. Since I am usually at least 30 years older than my SBs, I always try to have some excuse just in case of the random encounter with an acquaintance. It's not like they are catching you in bed with someone. It's only a lunch meeting! So if I meet family or non-work friends, my lunch date would be a new intern at the office that I have been assigned to train for the day. If I meet a work-related person, she is an out-of-town niece or friend of my daughter that I am taking to lunch while she's in town. I've never had to use one of these lines so far, but I always have one handy just in case.

San Diego is a big area, so you should be able to reduce your risks considerably if you chose places a little off the beaten path and have a fall-back story in case Murphy attacks.

I do agree that in an ideal world we could almost eliminate these risks by going directly to the FC.

I read your recent post about your potential Chastity SB. While I think it's highly doubtful that you will ever penetrate this little religious virgin, what fun you will have trying. Keep us informed on how all of this goes. I had almost given up on the CL approach, but you now have me rethinking that strategy. We fish in much different waters being over 3000 miles apart, so you don't have to worry about competition from me. If you care to share one of your more successful CL posts with me, I'd love to see how it works in the South. PM me with any information you feel comfortable with sharing.

Good to have you on this forum. Stay in touch.

Alias.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1484122]So I'd love to hear advice from other married SD / Mongers here who work from home while also trying to balance the SD / SB lifestyle. I definitely would appreciate any tips on creating more "free time" that doesn't raise suspicions from the Warden. Right now, my gym time is the only window I have during the week.[/QUOTE]

I am impressed that you can vet enough to avoid meet and greet. Perhaps I am not patient enough but I always meet and greet. Keep it light and short. 1 hour. And provide a Starbucks gift certificate as I leave. You quickly find out if the pics are accurate and attitude matches expectations. But I am in an away town where no one would recognize me. Avoids most problems. Last week met a pot SB who's pics were 5 years and 20 pounds ago. A few drinks and the starbucks certificate. No thanks. Texted me when do we get together. I declined respectfully and got a blast that "You owe me, read the web site". On and on and on. Cannot imagine what that would have been like in the FC!

I've almost always done the meet and greet with a Pot SB. Up until the last few, most of the time the M&G ended up immediately in the FC, or not at all. Either the SBs are changing or I have totally lost my game as I've just dipped a toe back in the SB pool recently. Seems like all the pots are asking what kind of arrangement I want up front, where I would rather discuss that during the M&G. A few times recently when I have told them that, I get no response. I'm beginning to wonder if it's just me or the shallow pool I have to cast my bait. Recently, even if the M&G seems to go well, inevitably the next email is how much are you thinking? Early in my tenure here, we had several posts about slipping the sugar into a pocket at the end, which always seemed to work for me. These days it seems to be different.

As for the M&Gs in a public place, I haven't had much of an issue there, and I live in a small town in the South. I usually take a file with me so the pot SB can be a client is my cover. So far so good.

I think the reason the board has been quiet is just what you said. With summertime here, many more activities consume our time, especially with the holiday week upon us.

Saying that, Nando and Scott have been quiet lately. Hope all is well with them.

Hey, thought I'd throw my 2cents in on public M&Gs. I personally like them. I've never even attempted to try and make an arrangement to meet alone. I'm somewhat surprised that you can even convince a non-pro to do that. Then again, I am looking for a social / emotional connection in addition to the sex part. I do think that hour or so of conversation makes for a better, more relaxed sexual experience. I'm running about 25/75 on my initial M&G leading to sex on the first date, that's sex 25% of the time. Sometimes it's been mentioned and details worked out ahead of time and sometimes I've just gone with the flow and it's happened. Just recently I had a text exchange with a PotSB asking her to dinner. Her response was "Just dinner?". Due to schedule conflicts on both our parts we haven't met yet, but have worked out all the details already and just need to find a time. That is kind of exciting. As far as wasting the sugar on a bad experience, I always leave the sex and sugar as an option if things go well at dinner or lunch. I'll say something like "if things go well and we have chemistry, perhaps we can go back to my place (or room) for a night cap after dinner." That way the most I'm out is the dinner or lunch costs. I would be much more upset if I laid out the sugar amount and then found out the physical chemistry wasn't there. As far as public M&G, I agree with what most folks have already said. I too am at least 30 years older than the PotSBs I'm going out with. If seen and questioned I'd just say it's a friend or business associate. That's my take.

Happy Hunting!

Drummer.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1484122]I feel like I caused the topic to go to a grinding halt, haha. So I thought I'd pose a question and ask for a bit of advice.

Over the last several days I've been reading back through this topic (almost about 60% through it so far) and I noticed that even the experienced SDs in this topic almost always have a Meet & Greet with a potential SB before going to a hotel. Is this by choice or necessity?[/QUOTE]

Funny this topic should come up just as I did one yesterday. I normally manage to vet potential SBs well before meeting them, so FC is almost immediate.

However, every now and again you get a cute young chick who really is not into just jumping into bed, but who you know may well be SO worth cultivating.

Now they may get a little expensive to cultivate, but often they are not after $$$ up front, and they want to feel a chemistry with anybody they fuck!

Yesterday's was a 21 year old spinner. Had a great hour chatting with her about life and stuff. Gave her. 6 fun money as she was going away with friends for a few days. Next meeting will be dinner and drinks. I will also push for a FC afterwards, making it clear that serious $$ will not be forthcoming unless we have FC chemistry. So at some time before I have spent too much $ I will get to bed her.

If she is as good as I think she is.then she could cost me a bit until I decide to let her go!

As far as a meeting, public place. Yes. I do like the idea of a clipboard.

GW.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1484122]So I'd love to hear advice from other married SD / Mongers here who work from home while also trying to balance the SD / SB lifestyle. I definitely would appreciate any tips on creating more "free time" that doesn't raise suspicions from the Warden. Right now, my gym time is the only window I have during the week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1480029]I'm from the West coast but I was reading this forum since I'm into the SD / SB scene and we don't have a proper Sugarbabies forum over there.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the forum, John. If you haven't already discovered it by reading here, most of us aren't from Richmond. I'm not sure just how many are, but we all come here for the excellent dialogue.

You seem to have jump-started the dormant discussion with your M&G question. I don't have much to add to the already excellent discussion. I would love to skip the M&G altogether and proceed immediately to the FC, but I find that I am more comfortable meeting at least for drinks first. To each his own, I guess. As for how to handle getting noticed in public, I, too, fall back on the "intern" and "old friend" excuses. Lucky for me, I live in a large metropolitan area, so it's only happened once. That said, I try to avoid fishing in waters too immediately close to home. I focus my activity in areas of town that I know my family and friends do not frequent.

Well I just had a new for me experience re: a meet and greet. The SB required an allowance just to meet. Repeat "required." I passed and told her it sounded to much like an escort situation. Should it really be that difficult to get a woman who has already decided to be compensated for sexual favors to take our $$$? Color me confused.

Gentlemen,

I'm certain none of you was holding your breath to find out what has been happening with Scottie and me, but I feel compelled to share nonetheless. In a word, not much. As much as I try to jump into the deep end of the pool, I keep bouncing off the surface!

After my wonderful back-seat Oral Festival with Goth Baby, many of you know I got the news we all dread from my ATF, which really sent me into a tailspin, I have to be honest. Be careful out there, my friends - an old heart apparently breaks into many more shards than a young one. But enough of that.

I have been actively casting to fish in my home pool, initially as therapy rather than any really-committed pursuit, and have managed to set up a few m&gs, not all of which have gone according to plan. My first one was with an adorable neuroscience major, I kid you not. I am unaccountably drawn to nerdy, science-oriented babies, as well as the artistic, creative types, both of which reflect aspects of my own personality and interests. It turns out that this particular baby was originally interested in being an art history major, which was what I pursued, so she was my ideal! We met for lunch and had a fantastic time, spending almost three hours laughing, talking, touching lightly, and basically flirting like mad.

As I was driving back to work, we texted like 'tweeners, and I thought it would be the work of but a moment to get her panties on the floor the next time we met. My brothers, I have been at this a while, and have netted quite a few babies, so my instincts are rarely wrong, except in this case. In the intervening week, she has remained stubbornly uncooperative, resisting all attempts to ink in a date for our next playtime. WTF, one has to wonder. I continue to cast in her direction, however, and receive intermittent assurances that she has not lost interest, is as into me as I am her, but so far Air Scottie has not been cleared for landing. Fuck, fuck and double fuck!

In the interim, I have communicated on SA with a totally, totally hot MILF who has admitted that she is between a rock and a hard place, (do we have an acronym for Hot Single Mom? I believe we do: HSM) , and would love some relief. "I'm your man," I tell her with assurance, and so hopefully we will get together next week when my SO is out of town. We are still in the flirting stage, and before my experience with Dr. Baby, above, I would have put my panty-removal odds at 3 to 1 in my favor, but now I'm just not sure anymore.

Lastly, I had an m&g set up this morning with another baby, a theater major and struggling (I hope) actress who loves to cook. Again, just my type. And it was a total no-show. And this despite the fact that we texted all day Friday as I was driving out of town, and all day yesterday as I was coming back. Lots of "LOL" and "OMG" and "hahaha" and smiley faces and winky faces and so forth. In days gone by, right now I would be relating to you all how enjoyable it was to have spent the afternoon fucking her, but instead I slouched back to work and opened mail, by myself! I am hoping that nothing awful has happened to her, but also kind of secretly hoping for at least apendicitis at 3 am. I don't want to give up on what I am certain would be an enjoyable relationship, but a man has his pride, does he not?

In any event, as stated I will be unsupervised for most of next week, and have lined up playdates with Goth Baby and Brit, so I have that to look forward to, but I still have two open days to fill. Polo, I'm afraid, has lost interest in me, or it could in truth be that her kids are now out of school and she doesn't have the flexibility in her schedule she once had, which is what she tells me. In that case, I can look forward to a resumption of my riding lessons come Fall. Giddyup!

I'm happy to see so many brothers weighing in; please keep at it. I may (God willing) have something interesting to add in the next few days; at least there will be Goth Baby and her enourmous rack. I have spent many a pleasureable minute texting to her just what Scottie and I will do to her when next we meet, and I believe she is eager to have me make good. At least I think so; you never know.

Keep up the good work out there, my brothers, and don't forget to write.

Scott

Gentlemen,

As stated below, I am currently stretching out the old muscles in an attempt to land a sweet baby or two, and things are going along fairly well. Nothing in the creel yet, but lots of action.

I want to caution all of you who need to protect your anonymity that Google reverse image search is a frighteningly powerful tool. All you need to do is drag and drop an image into the search bar, and it will find it, if it exists anywhere else on the web, in under ten seconds.

The URL is images dot google dot com, simple as that. The only photos I use are ones taken specifically for my Sugar activities, but this is not always the case for these little babies, and it can be a useful way of ferreting out the masquerading pros, or determining that who you are communicating with is in fact a real baby.

As has been discussed in the past, pipl dot com is useful for finding other instances of an email address use. I can't remember if it works with phone numbers or not.

Just some observations to the married brothers out there to be careful. If possible, create a self-referencing loop of Sugar profile, Sugar email, and, as I have done, Sugar facebook page. That way, if they pipl you, all they get is what you want them to get.

Keep safe, and don't forget to write.

Scott

PS - on the SA site there is a video clip of a Nightline piece on the Sugar Bowl which features SA, and there is an astonishing statistic that is presented: of the 1.5 million members of SA, 90% are guys. So that means, if my math is correct, that for any baby, there are at potentially hundreds of guys contacting her. A little depressing, but makes me think that waiting a week or so and sending a follow up might help a fella stand out. The other equation to run is $50, average monthly membership cost, x 1.5 million! Anybody want to start a competing site with me?

Another concern about your photos you should have is to not put a very descriptive picture of yourself on the SA site directly. I always put an obscure photo on there and then send more descriptive ones via email. The reason being these sites get hacked all the time. Believe me, I deal with this for a living. Most of the time they are compromised very quietly, and then the perpetrators (usually E. European criminal organizations) will blackmail the owners of the site that if they pay a relatively small amount ($10K is pretty typical) , then they will not do anything bad with the data. Unfortunately 8 or 9 times out of 10 the companies will usually pay these guys off, so they continue to do it and make a decent living off of their work.

In the case of SA, doing something bad with the data could mean publicly posting photos of married men looking for extra action.

Also regarding SA's finances.

I believe only the guys are the ones who have to pay, so their revenue is actually more like

(1. 5mil *.10) * 50 / month.

Still a very respectable income!

I've been quiet lately due to my vacation and travels, but am back in town now and had an overwhelming urge to try out something new.

I've been working on a particular candidate for quite a while off and on. She had a rather. Graphic. Description of what she was into and looking for. Of course this meant she would typically be flooded with messages from guys, the vast majority of which were crude and 'descriptive' but not articulate.

I decided to differentiate myself by being extremely respectful (hey, I'm always respectful) yet suave in my writings to her. Finally it worked, and we started corresponding a few times a day via email. She sent me pictures of a gorgeous blonde hair, blue eyed beauty with an AMAZING chest. Honestly like Christina Hendricks size. 38DDD. Every photo she sent me (all clothed) had this overriding 'feature' of her that you just could not keep your eyes away from. So going into this week, I took a page from Mr Scott's book and tried to move the communication to SMS. That really sped up the process. Here is how fast things went after we started texting:

July 4- We started texting later in the evening & got very flirty. Soon after we agreed to meet for only a quick drink after work (she works very close to my office) on the 5th. About an hour of texting later, the potential drink evolved into (at her suggestion) that maybe I should have a room ready to go as well.

July 5- Lots (and lots) of flirtations texts during the day, but by the afternoon, she started to tell me she was getting nervous. She wanted me to assure her that she wasn't going to be paid to have sex with me, even though it was assumed that if I did give her an agreed to amount of sugar, panties would certainly be on the floor. My simple reply of "I am not going to pay you to have sex with me" was enough to calm her fears and get her relaxed enough to meet me, the logic of that exchange still escapes me, but I've never claimed to be able to understand what goes in inside the head of a woman. She then texted back to tell me that we probably shouldn't even meet at the resturaunt, and instead I should get some bottles of vodka and tonic, and she'll just meet me right in the room after 5:00 (the hotel was literally about 2 blocks away from where both of us work). I let her know that that seems like a spectacular idea!

It's now 3:00pm and she started telling me that she is once again nervous and I am now starting to worry that this is going to turn out to be a bust. I was able to diffuse the situation by (honestly) just letting her know that I had absolutely no expectations of her at all, and that I would only have fun myself if she were 100% comfortable. I told her that if I do not make her comfortable, she can leave at any time and I would not be upset. I told her that the only thing I really was expecting going into the day would be to meet for a quick drink in a public place, we can forget about sugar & hotel rooms, etc & just have a simple and innocent M&G. That really was the truth, I had no expectations of getting laid when the day started, and as long as I got a chance to meet her and let her know I was not a weirdo, I'd be happy.

Well that apparently worked fabulously because she immediately calmed down and the next 2 hours were nothing but texts of what she'd like to do to me, what she'd like done to her, and what I'd like done to myself by her (?).

I left the office early to get the room arranged, sent her the room number at 4:45 and there was a knock on the door at 5:10.

In walks this tall stately blonde with beautiful blue eyes and those enormous features of hers. She works in a law firm, and was dressed pretty sexy for where she works, a black short dress with plunging neckline to show off the goods. Granted, it is about 130F today in the city, and most women are walking around wearing a lot less than normal. She was a little bigger than I expected. Not fat big, but just large everything, in a good way. It's a bit hard to explain, but her body really does match her 38DDD's. She rigorously works out 2 hours a day and she is very toned. Nice shapely ass, flat stomach, great legs, really not an ounce of fat anywhere but where it counts.

She was texting on her phone to her cousin when she walked into the room. Apparently her cousin is also involved on the SA site, and she was keeping in close contact with her and coaching her on what to do initially. It was sort of odd, and I'm sure she was just letting her know she was safe, etc. Literally within about 30 seconds she lost all her apprehension with me, and then even let me see what she was writing. Basically "He's very cute" and "Not creepy" and "I'm fine don't' worry". I made her a drink and we talked for about 10 minutes. We are both from the same general area and share a lot of the same background. All nervousness and apprehension washed away and things just naturally flowed into the action when she unzipped my pants and started an extraordinary JB. We had multiple opportunities to enjoy each other and she was incredibly accommodating to me. Open to pretty much anything, and she is very much focused on her breasts (as am I!). Biting her nipples during the main event (she begged for it) seems to be a sure-fire way to get her to cum, and she loves LOTS of breast play. Considering the fact that I couldn't keep my eyes, mouth or hands off of them for practically the whole evening, we made quite a team!

Overall very good times, and on the way out she turns around and tells me that she thinks we're going to be best friends.

Anyone else have any fireworks this week?

[QUOTE=F Scott;1486679]I want to caution all of you who need to protect your anonymity that Google reverse image search is a frighteningly powerful tool. All you need to do is drag and drop an image into the search bar, and it will find it, if it exists anywhere else on the web, in under ten seconds.[/QUOTE]The search that Google performs is not a search of the internet at that moment. Google "crawls" the internet and builds an inventory of text and images. It is this inventory that Google is searching at that moment.

The rate items are added to the internet is what it is and the rate Google crawls is less. Google is good but it is behind. So I am told.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1486679]As has been discussed in the past, pipl dot com is useful for finding other instances of an email address use. I can't remember if it works with phone numbers or not.[/QUOTE]For phone numbers try Caller ID Lookup, [url]http://www.cidlookup.com[/url]. It is pretty good.

Gentlemen.

I have been following this forum religiously and practicing the lessons in Knoxville, Tennessee. I have even posted some of my results here previously. Recently I have had a real WTF moment. Some of this Scott knows, as I sought his advice; the real WTF is new, however.

My most recent SB candidate has been a 21-year old college student. Bright, but seemingly a reserved personality. Wanted to take it slow, so I did. Suddenly got bored cause I was going slow, and hit me with negotiations. Her "best deal for both of us" boiled down to $500 / month allowance, sliding scale for FC visits: $100 for above the waist, $300 for oral, $500 for intercourse;"obviously" the lesser steps are included oh the higher, and I understand the full Monty to be pretty much whatever I want, multiple hours / pops. Needless to say, I was stunned. The economy isn't great, and this is Knoxville, for God's sake, not NYC or LA! I was horrified, shocked. And, admittedly, a little crushed as I had already put in time, money and effort with nothing to to show at that point.

Anyway, I tried it once last weekend instead of running like hell. I know, fool and his money, right? So I'm in for 1/2 of the monthly plus a full visit. It was "meh", so I wrote her, told her so, said we needed to talk, figure out if we were going to continue, cause the whole youth-texting, lack of conversation, uninterested attitude wasn't worth it to me.

So she emails me back last night, and I said WTF. She says if I really wanted unlimited time with her, everything, no pay as you go, she would expect. Are you ready?. $5000 / month! I've never seen any that gold-plated!

Here's another one that really pisses me off. She said some guy, and I assume he's either in Knoxville or close, offered her $1500 for the first visit, drinks and lots of sex, $1200 per visit after that, at least twice a week!

It's one thing to have and use money. Its another to totally ruin the economic scale for everyone else in the area! If I had money to burn I would use it. I use what I have, but this is ridiculous!

Any suggests how to get the word out to whomever is fucking things up in Knoxville? I'm posting something similar to this in the final board, but I don't have any idea if this guy will see it.

Brother rGuy,

I think maybe the important words here are that she was 'offered' 1500. That doesn't mean she ever received it.

She could have been lying to you, or the guy could have been lying to her.

A few Bengarmins in the hand are worth more in the Bush? (or something like that).

Offer her a set amount you are comfortable with and tell her take it or leave it.

She may even say no but come back to you later once she cannot get the 1500 daddy to actually pay.

This is the classic symptom of GPS by the way.

Good luck

She could be bullshitting you about the other guy.

[QUOTE=Hugh Jardon;1488505]She could be bullshitting you about the other guy.[/QUOTE]I work in the criminal law field, however, so I deal with liars every day and feel like I'm pretty good at spotting them. If she's making this up, she's pathological. Really seems too young / not worldly enough to be this convincing. The analytical part of me wants to dig deeper to find out; I sense there's something in her past, but nothing like this (think there are some family issues). The cheap part of me is bailing, however, as I'm not sure finding out is worth what it might cost me financially to get to that point.

RR,

The beauty of the internet is that we can say whatever we want, and not have to prove a word of it. This little fish is nothing but bad news. She can say what she likes about other offers, but my question would then be,"why are you even continuing to talk to me?" When they get better offers, they just disappear, with nary a backwards glance. I believe she is trying to play you, my brother, and if it were me, I would disappear on her.

Let her go politely but unequivocaly, and move on. There will be more babies coming along soon. Maybe you might need to look at widening your horizons. I have had great luck in Lexington and especially Atlanta, which I believe are not far from you, if memory serves. This may have been your first baby, but I promise you it won't be your last. Have faith in yourself, polish your game, and understand this is nowhere near the same as picking up your cell and calling an escort. It takes effort, there are more dead ends, false hopes, and arrangements that fall through at the last minute, but when you finally score, you score big.

Keep at it, my friend, but my sense is that she is a stripper or someone else on the perifery of the business, and she is just trying to milk you for all the bennies she can. Not the kind of relationship that the Sugar Bowl is about.

Move on, and tell us all about your next, real, sweet, genuine baby!

Scott

[QUOTE=Hugh Jardon;1488505]She could be bullshitting you about the other guy.[/QUOTE]Hugh,

Are you a lurker with intel to contribute? If so, welcome to the Bowl. Wherever you are from, your insights, experience and wisdom are appreciated. Please post up.

Best,

Scott.

PS. Funny name!

[QUOTE=Rrguy; 1488264]Gentlemen.

I have been following this forum religiously and practicing the lessons in Knoxville, Tennessee. I have even posted some of my results here previously. Recently I have had a real WTF moment. Some of this Scott knows, as I sought his advice; the real WTF is new, however.

It was meh. .[/QUOTE]Dude you need to learn something real fast and that's the word "Next" you aren't going to change her or attitude to your liking all you can do is say I want a mind blowing experience and I'm willing to do $xxx then she makes her decision if it's no you move on if the experience isn't good move on, note sometimes the baby is nervous and next time might be better

Hi,

Longtime lurker first time poster. I'm in Nashville not very far away from you and I have to say there is not much talent in Tennessee on SeekingArrangement. I've had no luck in TN, but I've had a few successes in Alabama, Virginia, and Florida. I've had to fly the girls from Florida and Virginia up, but the girls from Alabama drove up to me willingly. It's a hard, frustrating process. I've been flaked on and scammed countless times. I'm 4 for 4 in meets to FC ratio, but I'm 28 and younger than most guys on the site and that probably works to my advantages in some ways and it's a disadvantage in other ways. The babies are always very skeptical in why I'm 28 and on the site, but I'm a single workaholic who lives alone and my crazy work schedule makes it hard for me to have normal relationships and I have to say I've enjoyed wading through the sugar pool so far.

[QUOTE=Rrguy; 1488264]Gentlemen.

I have been following this forum religiously and practicing the lessons in Knoxville, Tennessee. I have even posted some of my results here previously. Recently I have had a real WTF moment. Some of this Scott knows, as I sought his advice; the real WTF is new, however.

My most recent SB candidate has been a 21-year old college student. Bright, but seemingly a reserved personality. Wanted to take it slow, so I did. Suddenly got bored cause I was going slow, and hit me with negotiations. Her "best deal for both of us" boiled down to $500 / month allowance, sliding scale for FC visits: $100 for above the waist, $300 for oral, $500 for intercourse;"obviously" the lesser steps are included oh the higher, and I understand the full Monty to be pretty much whatever I want, multiple hours / pops. Needless to say, I was stunned. The economy isn't great, and this is Knoxville, for God's sake, not NYC or LA! I was horrified, shocked. And, admittedly, a little crushed as I had already put in time, money and effort with nothing to to show at that point.

Anyway, I tried it once last weekend instead of running like hell. I know, fool and his money, right? So I'm in for 1/2 of the monthly plus a full visit. It was "meh", so I wrote her, told her so, said we needed to talk, figure out if we were going to continue, cause the whole youth-texting, lack of conversation, uninterested attitude wasn't worth it to me.

So she emails me back last night, and I said WTF. She says if I really wanted unlimited time with her, everything, no pay as you go, she would expect. Are you ready. $5000 / month! I've never seen any that gold-plated!

Here's another one that really pisses me off. She said some guy, and I assume he's either in Knoxville or close, offered her $1500 for the first visit, drinks and lots of sex, $1200 per visit after that, at least twice a week!

It's one thing to have and use money. Its another to totally ruin the economic scale for everyone else in the area! If I had money to burn I would use it. I use what I have, but this is ridiculous!

Any suggests how to get the word out to whomever is fucking things up in Knoxville? I'm posting something similar to this in the final board, but I don't have any idea if this guy will see it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks guys for the advice and tips for M&Gs!

So I actually met with a potential 22 year-old SB this week for a quasi-M&G. I'll refer to her as Yoga SB. We did our M&G at a local park that doesn't have too much activity and we went for a short hike together. If anybody saw us, I'd just say she was my exercise partner. Anyway we had some pretty good email exchanges early in the week. She wrote nice detailed emails, which was a welcome change from the usual one-liners. When I eventually brought up the per visit amount ($) , initially she balked at it. She didn't really have any good pictures, so it was hard for me to know what she really looked like. Also I was still in the glow of Chastity SB, so I felt I didn't really need to try too hard with Yoga SB.

So even though she balked at the initial offer, I gave her this whole long "Connection" speech (which I actually meant every word) about how I wanted to be with someone I had some kind of connection with, and not have everything be 100% about the money. This speech usually works pretty well with girls who don't want to feel like prostitutes even if they're asking for a lot of money initially. I then explain how the "help" or "allowance" will increase as our friendship grows. This doesn't work on NSA girls who want money quick, but it can work for girls who are looking for friends with benefits but somewhere along the line got their financial expectations warped unrealistically.

Anyway, so she agreed for $ per meet and as mentioned planned for a quasi-M&G / date at the park. When I got to the park, I was met by this 5'2" blonde hottie who was in great shape and had a nice rack! I thought to myself,"I'm getting an absolute steal!" So we walked / hiked around the park area for a little over a hour and had some excellent conversations. So I liked her personality and she was hot, only downside was that she had quite a few tattoos. I'm not big on tattoos, but at least they were coverable.

So at the end of it, I ended up giving her the sugar even though I didn't get any lovin'. I'm not sure if this was wise or not, but it was only $ and I did have a good time. I'm just a little worried that I might have put the arrangement on a platonic track since she said she might bring her dog to our next meetup at the park.

Chastity SB.

As many of you predicted, it's not really going anywhere. She hasn't had another moral freakout yet (though tomorrow is Sunday) , but things have definitely cooled down a bit. Though it's partly because my attention has been elsewhere and I stopped putting as much effort into her. I somewhat pushed for a meet and she just kept giving me a non-committal,"we'll meet soon". So I started to lose hope and began focusing on other prospects.

SB5.

I've been seeing this sugar baby for the past couple of months. She's 19 and lives at home, and it's purely NSA. We basically do a car date every other week. I could definitely see her becoming an escort in a year or two if she can't stay in school. She's pretty much the only SB thus far I've had where the allowance per visit is based on the specific playtime activities we'll do. We don't have much of a connection, but she's nearby and convenient, and has a tight petite body. Basically it's like seeing an escort, but getting much more mileage. Though this past week, she asked to see me a second time right after I saw her the previous night. This gave me "Nando1" warning signs, so I low-balled her and basically discouraged the consecutive nightly meet. If we had more of a connection, I probably wouldn't have minded, but I want to keep her at 1-2 week intervals.

I've also been talking to a potential SB who responded to my CL ad, which was about to expire. Things were going pretty well for a couple of days because she seemed like a nice normal girl and someone who would have realistic / modest expectations for an allowance. But then last night she mentioned she actually met with another SD earlier in the day who offered her 3000 per month for just a few hotel meetups. She said she turned him down because "she wasn't a prostitute", but if she supposedly met with an SD who offered her that much money, then I don't want to enter an arrangement with her with that in the shadows. Then again like the previous poster said, it could probably be a bluff and even if it is, it means she has unrealistic expectations and is trying to game me. There's too many other SBs out there for the picking to get caught up in this. So I think I'm going to move on.

So my SB stock portfolio isn't looking as good as it was a couple of weeks ago. Yoga SB has potential, but I don't really have a primary SB at the moment. SB5 is just a backup / hookup SB who gave me a "nando1" scare this week. The rest are just work in progress.

Oh the roller coaster ride of the SB scene. I'm tempted to post a new CL ad, but I'm going to wait and see how things play out with Yoga SB first.

[QUOTE=Rrguy;1488264](Edit Delete) Her "best deal for both of us" boiled down to (Edit Delete)[/QUOTE]When a girl opens too high I firmly believe the only thing to do is get off the line and have no further conversation with her. We don't want her in the sack if she is unhappy with our number and we certainly don't want in the sack unhappy with her number. Reasoning is never an option. Women feel, they do not reason. Walk away with mouth shut is the only thing to do. Anything else is drama.

She'll figure it out.

How does a guy get into the SB business. It sounds more my line and BP escorts not my style.

[QUOTE=AliasSM;1484359]I read your recent post about your potential Chastity SB. While I think it's highly doubtful that you will ever penetrate this little religious virgin, what fun you will have trying. Keep us informed on how all of this goes. I had almost given up on the CL approach, but you now have me rethinking that strategy. We fish in much different waters being over 3000 miles apart, so you don't have to worry about competition from me. If you care to share one of your more successful CL posts with me, I'd love to see how it works in the South. PM me with any information you feel comfortable with sharing.[/QUOTE]I don't really have a particular form letter or post I use because depending on the day my posts just get randomly flagged and deleted. I just to mix it up and post at different times trying to avoid overzealous moderators.

A few tips though:

- Posts in the CE section will obviously have a far less chance of getting deleted. But you'll also get more spam and replies from pros / UTRs too.

- The dating sections of CL will get you more legit responses, but it may be tough keeping your ad there. Just keep trying submitting at different times if your ad keeps getting flagged. Moderators usually have routines. If your ads are getting through on Monday mornings, then release your ads those mornings.

- This is up to debate, but you don't have to renew your ad every 24 hours or so. As long as you throw in some keywords like "sugar daddy" and "generous', girls will search for those terms (at least in my area). I actually got 5 legit responses to my ad the last day before it was to expire. This tells me girls looking for sugar daddies tend to search for those terms, since browsing is just so overcrowded in the M4W sections.

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606; 1487427]In the case of SA, doing something bad with the data could mean publicly posting photos of married men looking for extra action.

Also regarding SA's finances.

I believe only the guys are the ones who have to pay, so their revenue is actually more like

(1. 5mil. 10) * 50 / month.

Still a very respectable income![/QUOTE]I just let my membership expire on SA and immediately I got 6-7 messages and 2-3 winks. LOL.

But I don't think they were fake accounts. Instead I think SA puts profiles of recently expired members in the "featured" sections or top of the search lists briefly. This way those members get a surge of responses from real women right after their membership expired, so they're tempted to renew. Brilliant tactic.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1488729]I don't really have a particular form letter or post I use because depending on the day my posts just get randomly flagged and deleted. I just to mix it up and post at different times trying to avoid overzealous moderators.

A few tips though:

- Posts in the CE section will obviously have a far less chance of getting deleted. But you'll also get more spam and replies from pros / UTRs too.

- The dating sections of CL will get you more legit responses, but it may be tough keeping your ad there. Just keep trying submitting at different times if your ad keeps getting flagged. Moderators usually have routines. If your ads are getting through on Monday mornings, then release your ads those mornings.

- This is up to debate, but you don't have to renew your ad every 24 hours or so. As long as you throw in some keywords like "sugar daddy" and "generous', girls will search for those terms (at least in my area). I actually got 5 legit responses to my ad the last day before it was to expire. This tells me girls looking for sugar daddies tend to search for those terms, since browsing is just so overcrowded in the M4W sections.[/QUOTE]Thanks John for the helpful hints. It's been 8 or 9 months since I last tried the CL approach. I think I have a pretty convincing post, but it was so hit and miss and there is so much spam to wade through that I switched to the SD / SB route earlier this year. But there is a definite difference in the type of girl responding to SA versus CL, and to tell you the truth, I kind of miss the CL type. They are a little more down on their luck, a little more accomodating, and definitely easier on the pocketbook from my experience.

Glad its working for you. I think I will post an add today to see what comes from it.

Alias

Hello fellow Daddies,

Just a few random thoughts for another hot summer day.

CL. I've tried it with some success. Most are going to be Nando 1's, but I did hit upon a very pretty. 23 yo spinner several months ago. Unfortunately, after a couple of meetings she found a RL BF and wouldn't cheat for love nor money.

GSP girl. Let her walk! No good can come from trying to talk her down or negotiate with her. Remember the pushing on a string philosophy one of our astute members introduced. I know it's more work, but eventually it will pay off.

I had forgotten how much work this actually is. I've been removed from new baby fishing pools for a good while until recently and evidently I've either forgotten what I thought I knew, or the babies seem to have a different attitude. Almost 100% of Pots want to know upfront the amount of $ugar, and then there was the one who wanted $ugar just for a M&G. I am a persistent s. O. Be. Though and I've actually had a couple of nibbles this morning and a tentatively scheduled M&G with a HYB this afternoon. Hopefully there will be juicy details to follow.

Have a great week in the sugar bowl guys (and Mandy).

Happy trails

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1488942]But there is a definite difference in the type of girl responding to SA versus CL, and to tell you the truth, I kind of miss the CL type. They are a little more down on their luck, a little more accomodating, and definitely easier on the pocketbook from my experience.

Glad its working for you. I think I will post an add today to see what comes from it.

Alias[/QUOTE]Agreed, there is definitely a difference between SA and CL girls. In my brief of experience (just the last 9-10 months) , SA girls tend to be a little more committed to the idea of a SD / SB relationship. It's usually just the dollar amount that is the deciding factor. You got quite a few who are wannabe models and such, so you tend to run into more GSPs. Whereas with CL girls, tend to be a little more down in their luck and as you said can be a little more accommodating. However in my experience they also tend to be more flaky. Since the barrier to responding / posting to an Ad on CL is so low, you got a lot of girls who respond to ads on a lark or out of curiosity. I've had a lot of girls get cold feet on me at the last minute because they're just not ready to cross over into the land of "mutual (compensated) benefits". Add that with all the spam you'll incur, posting a CL is a TON more work than sending messages on SA. For example, I've received way more responses, photos, and exchanged txts / phone numbers with CL girls. But I've still have actually met up with more girls in person from SA. Granted I've been doing SA longer than CL ads, but if you're working with a somewhat decent budget you'll probably score at a higher percentage on SA. Still. The appeal for me lately for CL is that you can find a few girls who are appreciative if you just cover some of their basic bills. They haven't yet read all the sugarbaby blogs and the stories of SBs getting a $5, 000 allowance, new cars, and flying across the world.

Quick Update.

Officially gave up on Chastity SB. She had another moral freakout, so there's no more point in forcing the issue. In hindsight, I should have had a greater sense of urgency when she wanted to meet within the first couple of days of us corresponding. But my schedule was pretty tight that day and I figured it would be easy to reschedule another day. But the iron cooled and she just started self-doubting the whole thing. So remember to try to strike while the iron is hot.

For now, I think I'm just going to focus on Yoga SB and SB5. I really don't have the time or budget for too much else anyway.

I've been meeting up with Nurse SB for a while now (5 meetings so far) and have been to the FC with her steadily since the second date. I meet with her again this Thursday when the warden lets me out of the house. (She has a girls night out to see that new guy stripper movie that night.) I'm really starting to look forward to seeing this SB, even though the sex has not been the knock your socks off variety as of yet. I'm hoping I can still train her to get better and more aggressive with time. I think she is around 26. My question to all of you experts is: Can you teach a SB of that age to be better in the sack? It's in her best interests because if she doesn't improve soon I will eventually start to fish again for another SB.

So what do you guys think. Is she trainable at the age or should I cut my loses and run away at this point?

Alias

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1488729]The dating sections of CL will get you more legit responses[/QUOTE]All I've ever gotten from CL is spam, spam and more spam not worth it imoh

Alias,

In my experience, they are absolutely trainable, as a concept. Whether your particular baby is or is not, only time will tell. You need to be explicit in what you want her to do, and maybe even get your freak on a bit to show her your limits. I have had two babies that started out medium, and I took the approach that I was going to take the lead and instruct them, rather than wait for them to get up to speed, and it unlocked virtually insatiable sex machines. You must remember, we old dudes have been at this a long time, and know a thing or two about the female body and how to access its buttons. If this baby is in her 20's, she probably has not had any partners her own age who last more than 30 seconds, and once they pop, they're done. Thus, they have no idea what we want other than lie back, spread their legs and wait till it's over.

I am oversimplifying, of course, but you get the gist. A number of babies like "dirty talk" as well, and this is a great way to work in some instruction. You might also consider sending her a "list", I. E, stuff you are going to do to her next time you meet, and what you want her to do to you. Be as concrete as possible, and it can be a fantastic method of foreplay.

Good Lord, I'm sounding like Dr. Phil, or is it Dr. Ruth? In any event, they don't have a chance of doing what you are looking for if you don't tell them what you want. They just haven't had as much experience as we have, for the most part.

Of course, this is all moot if she is not a baby you plan on keeping around mid to long term. But if you feel there's potential there, send her the "list", or talk dirty, or show her what you want. What do you have to lose?

Don't forget to write,

Oprah

First of all what is a Nando1? I'm guessing nympho as I have read about 20 pages of this forum, but not 100% sure. What do most of you guys pay per visit with these sbs? I am entering this arena but it seems like a bit more work on the emotional game for these females. I am looking for ones in the 18-25 range. What emotional ploys do you experts think work best on this type? I don't want to spend huge amounts of time wooing them, as I am only looking to hook up with them about once a week. Thanks for any help in advance for any pms or help on here.

Scott,

I appreciate your suggestions and I realize that I have some work to do on this one to create the kind of sex kitten that we all are looking for in a SB. I agree that I can influence some improvements to her overall FC attitude, but also wonder if she will ever be totally up to speed on what I'm looking for. Can you really train that (how to really please a guy) or is it an inborn desire that is intuitive to the right women with the right attitude. I'd like to think its possible because I really like that SB. She make me laugh and seems to truly enjoy our time together besides just getting the paycheck at the end. She has all of the right ASSets to keep me interested for a while, but needs to step up her game in the FC. I would like to think that I can correct that, but I think some women have some other mental barriers that will never let them compete at the top. With some women I've been with over the years, it's the "clean freak" barrier. They will never enjoy giving a BBBJ because they would gag thinking about all of those germs they are coming into contact with. They could never enjoy anal stimulation because " that's so disgusting", they would never think of allowing DATY because they are germaphobic.

My nurse SB is not nearly that restrictive, but she also doesn't get into the act like I would hope so it's either something I'm not doing or something else holding her back. She seems to view it as a pleasant experience, just doesn't seem to have that wild side that we all seem to yearn for.

I will keep trying though for now, and I promise to report any progress.

Alias.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1491220]Alias,

In my experience, they are absolutely trainable, as a concept. Whether your particular baby is or is not, only time will tell. You need to be explicit in what you want her to do, and maybe even get your freak on a bit to show her your limits. I have had two babies that started out medium, and I took the approach that I was going to take the lead and instruct them, rather than wait for them to get up to speed, and it unlocked virtually insatiable sex machines. You must remember, we old dudes have been at this a long time, and know a thing or two about the female body and how to access its buttons. If this baby is in her 20's, she probably has not had any partners her own age who last more than 30 seconds, and once they pop, they're done. Thus, they have no idea what we want other than lie back, spread their legs and wait till it's over.[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

As planned, I took The Naughty Brit sailing today, and it was the fulfillment of a teenage fantasy that I was way too dorky and shy to ever act upon back in my teens when I used to sail all summer. Hot, hot sex on a sailboat in the open air! May I just say, hooray for me?

Now before you all think that I'm an eccentric millionaire, there is a place in one of the harbors here in Chicago that rents 22' sailboats by the hour, and if you can demonstrate that you have some knowledge of sailing, you can take them out by yourself. Back in the day, I was a true harbor rat, and would sail or crew for anyone I could convince to take me on. My goal was to fuck some daughter of some rich dude who owned a boat, but that never happened. Duh, who fucks the hired help, right? On the bright side, I now can sail pretty much anything with a mast, which I suddenly find is a powerful aphrodisiac with the babies.

So I pick her up at her place, and she's looking all fabulous and nautical, and I see evidence of a bikini under her clothes, which makes little Scottie stir from his slumber, and we head down to the harbor. After the whole certification "exam", which basically amounted to them watching me rig the boat and asking me what "come about" means, off we go, into the bounding main! It was a truly gorgeous day, blue sky, warm sun, not too hot, fresh breeze out of the east at about 15 knots, perfect in other words. Enough wind to make the boat cook, but not too much that baby would be scared. I am silently saying a prayer of thanks to the god of the Sugar Bowl as we head out into the lake on a close reach, which as anyone knows is the sexiest of tacks. I am doing my best to impersonate JFK in Hyannisport, or maybe a J Crew catalog page, and I can feel Brit's eyes on me, admiringly, I hope.

After we are about a mile out, in other words, far from land, with no other boats near us, I ask,"would you like to take the tiller?", to which she replies, in her posh British accent,"no, I'd like to fuck you." These are exactly the words Scottie has been waiting for, and he signals his agreement in the only way he knows how. She comes over, pulls her bikini bottoms off, opens my shorts, slaps a cover on Scottie, (which she brought!!) and sits down on my lap, facing me so we could kiss like teenagers. My brothers, this girl has fantastic lips, maybe the best I've ever kissed, and I was in heaven. The water was a little choppy, so there were a few awkward moments, but honestly neither one of us cared. It was, as I have said, the realization of a fantasy that I have been harboring for 35 years, and I'm not sure I will ever be able to look out at the lake again in the same way!

We sailed for about 4 hours, and then went to a fantastic bar and had some beers and artisinal mac and cheese, which is a thing with the younger set, apparently. We sat outside, in the shade, and just laughed, talked, touched and generally basked in the glow of the day. I hope I am not coming across as a puss when I say I have rarely had a more wonderful, enjoyable day than today, and I want to reiterate something I posted a while ago - when you connect with the right baby, this is the Fountain of Youth!

In other news, yesterday I made tentative plans to meet up tomorrow with an old contact, my Irish Cherokee, who I sent an exploratory email to last week, not thinking I would hear anything, and got a very promising series of replies. This is a baby that I was crazy, crazy, crazy for about a year ago, but she got cold feet and bolted. I think if I could connect with her, she would be in the running for my new ATF, although after today, Naughty Brit is certainly looking odds-on.

At present, I am back home, pets are fed, SO is out of town until Friday evening, and I have a nice bottle of chard in the fridge. Life is good.

Peace,

Scott

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1491403]Scott,

My nurse SB is not nearly that restrictive, but she also doesn't get into the act like I would hope so it's either something I'm not doing or something else holding her back. She seems to view it as a pleasant experience, just doesn't seem to have that wild side that we all seem to yearn for.

Alias.[/QUOTE]This is based on my own research of course, but if we were to catagorize sexual freaks by profession, I would puts Nurse at or near the top. I've done my share of mkt research with them, say maybe 12 to 15 of them, and they seem to be the hotest in the sack based on the Varoom-o-meter. I've always quantified it as part of what they experience in their daily jobs, (potential life and death from moment to moment) that has affected how they see and experience things. Most of them have not been germaphobes at all, hence they work around much more threatening germs than may live on a male genitalia or be carried in semen. In fact most of the ones that I recall love the drink; semen that is.

So Alias, I would stick with her and do some digging to find out what flips her switch. If you can uncover that piece of news you may need to start taking some new vitamins yourself. Of course if she just doesn't get into sex that much then there isn't that much you can do about that. I guess. But she hasn't even hit the prime of her life in terms of sexual appetite yet, so I would declare it your duty to help her uncover her inner sexual freak Alias. And of course share all those freaky details with the rest of us here at the clubhouse. Wish you all the best on getting into her deepest carnal sandbox.

PS. I once dated a nurse who when we began dating it was frankly disappointing in the sack. She may have been about 30 yrs old and not highly experienced. Practice did not make perfect, but it surely improved her game. This training certainly made a better experience for the guy she married, who came along right after me, as sher made leaps and bounds in about a 4-5 month time span.