Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Joe1223;4262608]I have found with SA one must be patient and willing to invest / waste time in order to meet some of the girls. They are also asking outrageous amounts $300, I had one yesterday asking for 500-800. So it is hit or miss and as long as you don't mind patiently waiting for the right one to bite you can do OK but it takes a fair amount of time. If your willing to pay top dollar you may be more successful but I set my limit at 300. Others here have stated they have had tremendous luck so it's either embellished or they are just so damn good looking that the girls can't stay away?? LOL. I may depend on YMMV, age, body, wallet, etc?[/QUOTE]I don't think time is "wasted" per se. This was though. It's one thing to build relationship, trust, etc. It's another thing to just be taken for granted. Like, at least when I'm there, I kinda expect a thank you (never once). Only contacted if she wanted something. No holding, small affection. I mean, it's like paying to get friend zoned. WTF.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cf218aac-c84e-4309-9d30-2b4adb89e4da[/URL]

Tried using the "can I get gas money" sent via cashapp or venmo. I told her, hey, we can meet irl, I'll hand over the money. Communication went dark. Avoid this one.

She has you figured out. She dangles the promise of a little something and you start dancing to her tune. It's obvious here that your needs and what you want come wayyyyyy down the list in this story. You need to maintain your frame better.

[QUOTE=GlennDoyle91;4262408][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b5365baa-6f05-4b67-96f7-dab33d8bd255[/URL]

TLDR; spent money, time, gas, did not even get a little doting from SB.

Talked to this girl for a little while. Made and arrangement, pfp. $200. We were going to meet at her college, then go on a date. She's kinda cute. Not exactly my type, but cute. Then there was a family emergency. Still wanted $120 to get some braids, or something or other. Okay, whatever. Strike 1. Made the drive up the next day. This day, I drove her around, so she could do her shopping, gave her another $180 pick up supplies for her braids and a pay for some items on lay away. Our date got cut short because her appointment got moved up early. Strike 2. Promised that we'd have the whole day together the next day. I call to confirm (it's an hour drive, and I'm noticing a pattern) she says "she's too depressed to get out of bed. " later on, on snapchat (I'm on her snapchat) I see her going out with friends, etc. I really don't care if that's what she wanted to do today, but she felt the need to lie. Ugh. Then she has the gall to ask me to get her an uber, so she can get food, because they won't deliver for less than 10 dollars. Wut. The only time she communicated was to secure payment or ask for stuff. No flirting, no asking how my day was. No intimacy. Strike 3.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4262800]She has you figured out. She dangles the promise of a little something and you start dancing to her tune. It's obvious here that your needs and what you want come wayyyyyy down the list in this story. You need to maintain your frame better.[/QUOTE]Lesson DEFINITELY learned. There was just enough elements of truth to keep me going. I WANT to believe them.

[QUOTE=GlennDoyle91;4262408][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b5365baa-6f05-4b67-96f7-dab33d8bd255[/URL]

TLDR; spent money, time, gas, did not even get a little doting from SB.

Talked to this girl for a little while. Made and arrangement, pfp. $200. We were going to meet at her college, then go on a date. She's kinda cute. Not exactly my type, but cute. Then there was a family emergency. Still wanted $120 to get some braids, or something or other. Okay, whatever. Strike 1. Made the drive up the next day. This day, I drove her around, so she could do her shopping, gave her another $180 pick up supplies for her braids and a pay for some items on lay away. Our date got cut short because her appointment got moved up early. Strike 2. Promised that we'd have the whole day together the next day. I call to confirm (it's an hour drive, and I'm noticing a pattern) she says "she's too depressed to get out of bed. " later on, on snapchat (I'm on her snapchat) I see her going out with friends, etc. I really don't care if that's what she wanted to do today, but she felt the need to lie. Ugh. Then she has the gall to ask me to get her an uber, so she can get food, because they won't deliver for less than 10 dollars. Wut. The only time she communicated was to secure payment or ask for stuff. No flirting, no asking how my day was. No intimacy. Strike 3.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] here's a picture of her, since you can't see her face on the seeking profile.

[blue]You might want to think about why I deleted that.

Here's a hint, "since you can't see her fave on the seeking profile"

A2[/blue]

That 90/ mo is worth it. Most of people on there are relatively responsive and very nice.

No one wants to be treated like a *****: put that terminology away. Don't ask for "bb" or "FS" or "msog" (unless they bring it up).

Be flirty, not crude. Talk AROUND sex, not about it.

Ask about their needs. See if they'll quantify it as $$. And that's your in.

At this point, the narrative is, you saw a need, provided for it, and the sb was so grateful for it, and let the natural course of human emotions take its course.

GD, you are a very patient man. I think you may be on the wrong board. Your post suggest that perhaps you are looking for a real girlfriend to "date", rather than a sugar baby. A girlfriend that you don't mind being strung along by, with nothing to show for your money and time.

As soon as she asked for money the first time, you should have walked away, IMHO. The fact that you paid her more money a second time for nothing but the pleasure of her talking to you is simply amazing.

Then you post the most incredible statement I have ever read on this board, "I really don't care if that's what she wanted to do today, but she felt the need to lie." Second most incredible "No flirting, no asking how my day was." Please tell me you were kidding.

You need intervention! A sugar baby shows you "affection" and does your bidding because you are paying, eh, I mean gifting her money. I just hope I misread your post, and you were being sarcastic, and I misinterpreted your sarcasm. Please tell me you were being sarcastic?

[QUOTE=GlennDoyle91;4262408][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b5365baa-6f05-4b67-96f7-dab33d8bd255[/URL]

TLDR; spent money, time, gas, did not even get a little doting from SB.

Talked to this girl for a little while. Made and arrangement, pfp. $200. We were going to meet at her college, then go on a date. She's kinda cute. Not exactly my type, but cute. Then there was a family emergency. Still wanted $120 to get some braids, or something or other. Okay, whatever. Strike 1. Made the drive up the next day. This day, I drove her around, so she could do her shopping, gave her another $180 pick up supplies for her braids and a pay for some items on lay away. Our date got cut short because her appointment got moved up early. Strike 2. Promised that we'd have the whole day together the next day. I call to confirm (it's an hour drive, and I'm noticing a pattern) she says "she's too depressed to get out of bed. " later on, on snapchat (I'm on her snapchat) I see her going out with friends, etc. I really don't care if that's what she wanted to do today, but she felt the need to lie. Ugh. Then she has the gall to ask me to get her an uber, so she can get food, because they won't deliver for less than 10 dollars. Wut. The only time she communicated was to secure payment or ask for stuff. No flirting, no asking how my day was. No intimacy. Strike 3.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Longjblues;4263314]A sugar baby does your bidding because you are paying, eh, I mean gifting her money. [/QUOTE]I believe there is a space for a win-win. It's not about "doing my bidding. " its about getting what I want through what they want. My wants / needs isn't higher than theirs. I may pay more for something like that, but I have more fun that way. Otherwise, it's just simply putting meat stick in meat hole (to each their own, right? And I got strung along because this was done. *in person* after I knew where they lived, after I had met the person, they were like, hey, I need the money now, promise you tomorrow. You know where I live. I had agreed to $200. They were asking half, and the only reason to cancel was a family emergency. And they were all apologetic about it. Next day, we had a date planned. Oh, then it got cut short. Huh. Like honestly, the only reason why I gave in was because I had said it. My word is my bond and all that shit.

This scam is new to me. Like, if I wanted to, I really know where she lives. But I'm not about that. Chalk it up as lesson learned.

I like this money arrangement, because I eventually get bored, and I don't have to maintain pleasantries like I do irl. I like this fantasy I can craft, and in this case, I got caught up in it. I'll be more careful next time.

Young, blonde, attractive fit. Texts a good game.

https://www.seeking.com/member/f22eafe9-42ee-463d-a6f7-46d87d1f8f44

Anyone else get anywhere with her?

[QUOTE=GlennDoyle91;4263341]I believe there is a space for a win-win. It's not about "doing my bidding. " its about getting what I want through what they want. My wants / needs isn't higher than theirs. I may pay more for something like that, but I have more fun that way. Otherwise, it's just simply putting meat stick in meat hole (to each their own, right? And I got strung along because this was done. *in person* after I knew where they lived, after I had met the person, they were like, hey, I need the money now, promise you tomorrow. You know where I live. I had agreed to $200. They were asking half, and the only reason to cancel was a family emergency. And they were all apologetic about it. Next day, we had a date planned. Oh, then it got cut short. Huh. Like honestly, the only reason why I gave in was because I had said it. My word is my bond and all that shit.

This scam is new to me. Like, if I wanted to, I really know where she lives. But I'm not about that. Chalk it up as lesson learned.

I like this money arrangement, because I eventually get bored, and I don't have to maintain pleasantries like I do irl. I like this fantasy I can craft, and in this case, I got caught up in it. I'll be more careful next time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up on her. In my experience you have to make sure early on you're going to get what you want. I've described my technique of giving half the allowance or PPM until we're having regular sex. I always have the money on me and show it to them. Kind of like an incentive. My most recent I went six months at the half rate (but I was getting some action just not FS). She finally caved recently and I now give her the full amount and the sex is nuts.

Using this technique if you're at date 2 or 3 and she flakes out at least you're only down a little bit.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=GlennDoyle91;4262653][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cf218aac-c84e-4309-9d30-2b4adb89e4da[/URL]

Tried using the "can I get gas money" sent via cashapp or venmo. I told her, hey, we can meet irl, I'll hand over the money. Communication went dark. Avoid this one.[/QUOTE]She also has an escort profile linked to her number. Not sure if she blocked me or she quit. Got booted but I can not see her profile any longer. Oh, and I got the gas line by message 3.

[URL]https://escortindex.com/ad/washingtondc/571-305-5906/5/1918615[/URL]

[QUOTE=Aardvarks;4264680]Thanks for the heads up on her. In my experience you have to make sure early on you're going to get what you want. I've described my technique of giving half the allowance or PPM until we're having regular sex. I always have the money on me and show it to them. Kind of like an incentive. ****My most recent I went six months at the half rate ***** (but I was getting some action just not FS). She finally caved recently and I now give her the full amount and the sex is nuts.

Using this technique if you're at date 2 or 3 and she flakes out at least you're only down a little bit.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Six months? You're a patient man Aardvaks, a very patient man. Seriously, I used to bolt after 2, maybe 3 dates if I don't get the full package.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4265392]Six months? You're a patient man Aardvaks, a very patient man. Seriously, I used to bolt after 2, maybe 3 dates if I don't get the full package.[/QUOTE]Yeah I get it. But hottest girl I've met off SA. I show up at her place and she's wearing nothing. She's a stripper and we now do it at her club too (for free). We've actually gone out and picked up women at bars and had threesomes so I think it was worth the wait.

I know this is a longshot, guys, but I am going to be in Boston in a couple of weeks on business, and I will have at least one evening free to play. I was hoping to find a girl to have dinner with (either at a restaurant or room service) and then play afterwards. I've found that when traveling, I have a hard time meeting the kind of person I would want to spend the evening with. There are a lot of young, semi-pros that would be fine for the playing but would not be very good dinner companions, and the ones who would be good dinner companions are usually ones who are looking for something more long-term / regular than a one-off meet with an out-of-towner.

I could just look for someone to warm the bed for a couple of hours, but at home I can only meet people discreetly during the day, and it would be nice to be able to actually have a "dinner date" with a high likelihood of ending up back at my hotel.

If anyone has any ideas, either for particular girls or for promising strategies, I'd love to hear them. Thanks.

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;4267378]I know this is a longshot, guys, but I am going to be in Boston in a couple of weeks on business, and I will have at least one evening free to play. I was hoping to find a girl to have dinner with (either at a restaurant or room service) and then play afterwards. I've found that when traveling, I have a hard time meeting the kind of person I would want to spend the evening with. There are a lot of young, semi-pros that would be fine for the playing but would not be very good dinner companions, and the ones who would be good dinner companions are usually ones who are looking for something more long-term / regular than a one-off meet with an out-of-towner.

I could just look for someone to warm the bed for a couple of hours, but at home I can only meet people discreetly during the day, and it would be nice to be able to actually have a "dinner date" with a high likelihood of ending up back at my hotel.

If anyone has any ideas, either for particular girls or for promising strategies, I'd love to hear them. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I just did what you are trying to do in Vegas and for whatever reason my strategy worked. I picked 20 girls on SA and sent them this message:

"Hi I read your profile and am interested. I'm only in town for a few nights. But if you read my profile and are interested let's talk. I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea but we could have some fun. If you're not interested I totally respect that and wish you luck on the site. ".

Got laid 3 out for 4 nights.

Can someone tell me why I can not get on the seeking arrangements web site it just comes up as a blank white page any way to fix this thanks.

This one is a piece of work, she asked for my number, I give it to work and.

Then my phone started blowing up. Needs $120 for a book. Now. Wants to know do I have cash app? Do I have PayPal, do I have Venmo. Anyway I would stay away gentlemen.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/40d710e0-f210-446f-aa43-1d9a3d3c697f[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4269263]This one is a piece of work, she asked for my number, I give it to work and.

Then my phone started blowing up. Needs $120 for a book. Now. Wants to know do I have cash app? Do I have PayPal, do I have Venmo. Anyway I would stay away gentlemen.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/40d710e0-f210-446f-aa43-1d9a3d3c697f[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up! Sounds really crazy!!

Here's a good girl. Wants 300, but will do it for 200. She's a clock watcher, so heads up. She will do car dates. She was high when we did the meet up. Some talk, then gets down to business. Her alarm goes off, I mean her sister calls her, and she's all she has to go now. Didn't finish. Ugh. I don't mind limits; wish I had know it. I would have spent less time talking.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/274a64c8-1100-4b22-a241-126bf08053c2[/URL]

I'm still relatively new to this. I don't mind paying more for what I want, but at the same time, I don't want to OVERPAY and be "that guy" that ruins it for everyone else. I'm reading reddit posts about ppm, and they suggest $300. I've read on here that $150 is the number. HALP!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3fdc8d05-c08d-4494-b548-756d671e2926[/URL]

This one is insane. Run away.

[QUOTE=GlennDoyle91;4270226]I'm still relatively new to this. I don't mind paying more for what I want, but at the same time, I don't want to OVERPAY and be "that guy" that ruins it for everyone else. I'm reading reddit posts about ppm, and they suggest $300. I've read on here that $150 is the number. HALP![/QUOTE]Really depends on what you're looking for. I've paid on average anywhere from $200-300. One girl wanted $350 and I did that a couple of times but then stopped as it wasn't worth it. Another one wanted $400 for first date and then $250 after. That was totally worth it but she moved away. I can usually tell at the first meet up if it's worth it and if I sense it's not I give them a gift and leave (I usually bring a gift card to Amazon or Walgreens or something like that).

Key is to discuss pricing via text or Kik and not on SA messaging. If you have to get a hotel then that eats into the amount too. If you can get a date with intimacy for $150, more power to you my friend. I think $200 is probably the floor though for a lot of them.

Also it's a numbers game so don't get hung up on one. If they want something crazy like 600 or more then kindly thank them and move on.

[QUOTE=Aardvarks;4270500]Really depends on what you're looking for. I've paid on average anywhere from $200-300. One girl wanted $350 and I did that a couple of times but then stopped as it wasn't worth it. Another one wanted $400 for first date and then $250 after. That was totally worth it but she moved away. I can usually tell at the first meet up if it's worth it and if I sense it's not I give them a gift and leave (I usually bring a gift card to Amazon or Walgreens or something like that).

Key is to discuss pricing via text or Kik and not on SA messaging. If you have to get a hotel then that eats into the amount too. If you can get a date with intimacy for $150, more power to you my friend. I think $200 is probably the floor though for a lot of them.

Also it's a numbers game so don't get hung up on one. If they want something crazy like 600 or more then kindly thank them and move on.[/QUOTE]Curious, how often do the girls expect to see you with that allowance? How often do the expect to see them, or are you seeing multiple at a time?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;4270513]Curious, how often do the girls expect to see you with that allowance? How often do the expect to see them, or are you seeing multiple at a time?[/QUOTE]If it's more than once a week I usually go to a monthly allowance because the economics are in my favor. When I'm local I have seen multiple over the course of a month but I try to find one good one and stick with it. Too much effort to keep flirting and texting. Once you find something good do what you can to hold onto it is my advice. Then you can let your SA membership lapse and save yourself $90 per month until you need to get back in the game.

Also SA has worked great when I travel. I've gotten company in most major cities like Chicago, Las Vegas, San Diego, Miami, etc. I just send a batch message stating I'm in town for a few days and see what my fishing catches. I'm actually kind of amazed I've been able to keep a loverofile going for almost 3 years without a ban.

[QUOTE=Aardvarks;4270532]If it's more than once a week I usually go to a monthly allowance because the economics are in my favor. When I'm local I have seen multiple over the course of a month but I try to find one good one and stick with it. Too much effort to keep flirting and texting. Once you find something good do what you can to hold onto it is my advice. Then you can let your SA membership lapse and save yourself $90 per month until you need to get back in the game.

Also SA has worked great when I travel. I've gotten company in most major cities like Chicago, Las Vegas, San Diego, Miami, etc. I just send a batch message stating I'm in town for a few days and see what my fishing catches. I'm actually kind of amazed I've been able to keep a loverofile going for almost 3 years without a ban.[/QUOTE]Yeah. SA's been good to me. I see what I like, and I can be picky. Unlike STG or some other sites. Like I've said, I don't mind paying more for what I want, but this is a community, and I'm sure out there, they're banding together and fixing prices, and I support our SD union here. Besides; this is one of the first places that pops up on a search, and why'all are pretty active. Reddit doesn't allow the talk of "value" on the site, and the info they have there is 2 years old. So. Here we are. [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/[/URL] (for those curious).

First off I apologize that I don't have pics or a link but things happened fast last night and she blocked and threatened me with lightning speed.

Handle is Slip2 and from the Framingham area. So she messages last night and we move to text quickly, almost too quickly. Small talk leads to normal questions, location, availability, prior arrangements etc. And then I ask, like we all probably do, if she has the ability to host. The shit hits the fan! Tells me I am treating her like a prostitute, do I expect to fuuck her, do I like paying for sex etc.

And says she has posted all my info, handle / pics / phone on a predator site. Anyway I suggest you steer clear and if a kind SA brother could screenshot her profile, link and pics you would be doing the community here a solid.

Super hot and eager to meet. Can host just outside the city. Whats not to like right?

Well, looking for $700 for "1-2 hrs" and condoms are a must.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3a42d991-0b43-4e06-930d-6319402dcb1c[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4271722]Super hot and eager to meet. Can host just outside the city. Whats not to like right?

Well, looking for $700 for "1-2 hrs" and condoms are a must.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3a42d991-0b43-4e06-930d-6319402dcb1c[/URL][/QUOTE]Expensive and seems like a pro. But also hot.

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4271714]First off I apologize that I don't have pics or a link but things happened fast last night and she blocked and threatened me with lightning speed.

Handle is Slip2 and from the Framingham area. So she messages last night and we move to text quickly, almost too quickly. Small talk leads to normal questions, location, availability, prior arrangements etc. And then I ask, like we all probably do, if she has the ability to host. The shit hits the fan! Tells me I am treating her like a prostitute, do I expect to fuuck her, do I like paying for sex etc.

And says she has posted all my info, handle / pics / phone on a predator site. Anyway I suggest you steer clear and if a kind SA brother could screenshot her profile, link and pics you would be doing the community here a solid.[/QUOTE]Here's the SA link.

Attached is the profile pic.

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4271722]Super hot and eager to meet. Can host just outside the city. Whats not to like right?

Well, looking for $700 for "1-2 hrs" and condoms are a must.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3a42d991-0b43-4e06-930d-6319402dcb1c[/URL][/QUOTE]Thats way expensive. I would start with $$. 5 for an hour and see what she is agreeing for.

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4271714]First off I apologize that I don't have pics or a link but things happened fast last night and she blocked and threatened me with lightning speed.

Handle is Slip2 and from the Framingham area. So she messages last night and we move to text quickly, almost too quickly. Small talk leads to normal questions, location, availability, prior arrangements etc. And then I ask, like we all probably do, if she has the ability to host. The shit hits the fan! Tells me I am treating her like a prostitute, do I expect to fuuck her, do I like paying for sex etc.

And says she has posted all my info, handle / pics / phone on a predator site. Anyway I suggest you steer clear and if a kind SA brother could screenshot her profile, link and pics you would be doing the community here a solid.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d0f9d9e7-0841-45c8-aae2-a58b0a952298[/URL]

[QUOTE=SteveStone123;4271872]Thats way expensive. I would start with $$. 5 for an hour and see what she is agreeing for.[/QUOTE]Had similar experience. She asked for 8. Too much. She countered at 6. Offered 350. That ended the conversation, but she was pleasant about the rejection.

[QUOTE=Aardvarks;4271931][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d0f9d9e7-0841-45c8-aae2-a58b0a952298[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up on this one.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d0f9d9e7-0841-45c8-aae2-a58b0a952298[/URL]

Hot redhead in Prov, lots of tattoos. Wondering if anyone has seen her.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0e30d8eb-14db-4341-bc79-1fa6a7f9ccb7[/URL]

[QUOTE=Samuel05;4272562]Had similar experience. She asked for 8. Too much. She countered at 6. Offered 350. That ended the conversation, but she was pleasant about the rejection.[/QUOTE]Got her down to 5 - I'm seeing if I can press my luck.

[QUOTE=Longjblues;4259553]Early 30's I would say, but she could even be late 20's. I agree that she isn't 40's.[/QUOTE]Just quoted me $500-700 and claims to have only been with one SD ever.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e3ca9242-6625-41db-a316-f4e2b3ac7422[/URL]

[QUOTE=Aardvarks;4270532]
Also SA has worked great when I travel. I've gotten company in most major cities like Chicago, Las Vegas, San Diego, Miami, etc. I just send a batch message stating I'm in town for a few days and see what my fishing catches. [/QUOTE]I live in a small college town with uppity co-eds too good to bang for bucks.

So I pretty much exclusively hit the sugar bowl when I travel. Never taken a trip without at least one successful date each night. Takes more work to weed out those who feel that is too transactional, but with the right game you can make those on the fence comfortable. Heavy investing in texting for a week or two pre-arrival. Usually book 3 dates, knowing 2 will bail -- or worst case scenario, schedule one for 6 pm, another for 8 and the most mercanary for 9 pm drink and then I'm covered.

Helps to tell them I'm in town each month, even if its a one time trip!

Also easier to arrange overnights. If we really hit it off in messaging, the week before the meeting I suggest they bring an overnight bag in case the in person has the same chemistry as online. 75% hit rate.

I had the same reaction. Offered 3 ppm. Total silence. I guess she thinks she is worth more, but she us still looking for a gem.

[QUOTE=BRyan72;4274814]Got her down to 5 - I'm seeing if I can press my luck.[/QUOTE]

I have met this one a few times. Kind of a space case not sure if it's just how she is or if it's a result of demons. Easy set up I am usually only passing threw so has always been a car meet. BBBJ is always on the table with decent skills. Also BBFSCIP if that's your thing. Minimal damage $. 5. Can message contact info.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/aaacb2c0-b9b5-4640-a15c-92187f7d19ad[/URL]

She quoted me 300 when I contacted her on SA. 200 on WYP.

Saw her previously a year or two ago off of CL and it was 150.

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4274928]Just quoted me $500-700 and claims to have only been with one SD ever.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e3ca9242-6625-41db-a316-f4e2b3ac7422[/URL][/QUOTE]