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[QUOTE=CheapCharlie;5340662]Passed by at around 10 last night. Nobody was there. No fake ass gangstas, titas or punks. Hopefully they aren't coming back.[/QUOTE]Might be too soon to tell. Let's take into consideration that the month just started which means their food stamps / welfare / subsistences just got renewed. Maybe after it runs out they'll be back on the corner waiting to rob passerby's and pedestrians. Saw a pack of roaches in the Don Quijote parking structure last night making deals.
[QUOTE=CntrlAltDel;5341197]Might be too soon to tell. Let's take into consideration that the month just started which means their food stamps / welfare / subsistences just got renewed. Maybe after it runs out they'll be back on the corner waiting to rob passerby's and pedestrians. Saw a pack of roaches in the Don Quijote parking structure last night making deals.[/QUOTE]Or Maybe. They tested positive.
Reposting:
Alright, it's been awhile since I dropped a review here. Had Star from Blue Star.
Cons:
1. Obviously the pictures are not her on the original advertisement.
2. She is not half Japanese nor does she even speak Japanese.
3. She is chubby and sort of fat (if you guys like that), more on the mature side, 40's+. Definitely not 27 like in the AD.
4. She said that it is 2 x shots in 1 hour, lies. After she took the money, then she said backslided and said 1 shot and started rushing me after 30 minutes. Maybe that's the standard for "1 hour" but for me, when I'm told 1 hour 2 shots, that's what I want. Not backsliding after taking the money.
5. She also said we can kiss and I can do whatever I want. When the show began, it was no kissing, she kept putting her hand near her pussy so I couldn't slide all the way in, and refused to do more than 2 positions.
6. Had another customer previous to me but he didn't have cash so he left. I think he was there to just check it out. Then made an excuse saying she blew him away for me. LOL, what a lie.
Performance 5/10.
Pros:
1. Her blow job skills were pretty good, ain't the best, but I would say good.
Attitude 7/10, ain't the best, and ain't great, she seems very tired and sleepy, I hope she ain't doing drugs. But honestly her attitude was not too bad.
Now I know cons #1, #2, #3 are probably a norm but if I have offended any Star fans with the rest of my report, I'm sorry but that was my 2 cents and experience.
BTW what the hell is with those punks at the corner outside their shop?
[URL]https://honolulu.bedpage.com/Therape...u/8152652.html[/URL]
Sucks that there is still a pest issue outside.
[QUOTE=JustWannaFawk;5342699]Reposting:
Alright, it's been awhile since I dropped a review here. Had Star from Blue Star.
Cons:
1. Obviously the pictures are not her on the original advertisement.
2. She is not half Japanese nor does she even speak Japanese.
3. She is chubby and sort of fat (if you guys like that), more on the mature side, 40's+. Definitely not 27 like in the AD.
4. She said that it is 2 x shots in 1 hour, lies. After she took the money, then she said backslided and said 1 shot and started rushing me after 30 minutes. Maybe that's the standard for "1 hour" but for me, when I'm told 1 hour 2 shots, that's what I want. Not backsliding after taking the money.
5. She also said we can kiss and I can do whatever I want. When the show began, it was no kissing, she kept putting her hand near her pussy so I couldn't slide all the way in, and refused to do more than 2 positions.
6. Had another customer previous to me but he didn't have cash so he left. I think he was there to just check it out. Then made an excuse saying she blew him away for me. LOL, what a lie.
Performance 5/10.
Pros:
1. Her blow job skills were pretty good, ain't the best, but I would say good.
Attitude 7/10, ain't the best, and ain't great, she seems very tired and sleepy, I hope she ain't doing drugs. But honestly her attitude was not too bad.
Now I know cons #1, #2, #3 are probably a norm but if I have offended any Star fans with the rest of my report, I'm sorry but that was my 2 cents and experience.
BTW what the hell is with those punks at the corner outside their shop?
[URL]https://honolulu.bedpage.com/Therape...u/8152652.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
So anyone know who is there now? Thank you for any info.
[QUOTE=JohnWik;5352864]So anyone know who is there now? Thank you for any info.[/QUOTE]Pink, Star and Shasha.
[QUOTE=Nephilim3000;5352985]Pink, Star and Shasha.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update!
Looks like things back to normal in the parking lot. Drove by last night.
[QUOTE=JustWannaFawk;5342699]Reposting:
Alright, it's been awhile since I dropped a review here. Had Star from Blue Star.
Cons:
1. Obviously the pictures are not her on the original advertisement.
2. She is not half Japanese nor does she even speak Japanese.
3. She is chubby and sort of fat (if you guys like that), more on the mature side, 40's+. Definitely not 27 like in the AD.
4. She said that it is 2 x shots in 1 hour, lies. After she took the money, then she said backslided and said 1 shot and started rushing me after 30 minutes. Maybe that's the standard for "1 hour" but for me, when I'm told 1 hour 2 shots, that's what I want. Not backsliding after taking the money.
5. She also said we can kiss and I can do whatever I want. When the show began, it was no kissing, she kept putting her hand near her pussy so I couldn't slide all the way in, and refused to do more than 2 positions.
6. Had another customer previous to me but he didn't have cash so he left. I think he was there to just check it out. Then made an excuse saying she blew him away for me. LOL, what a lie.
Performance 5/10.
Pros:
1. Her blow job skills were pretty good, ain't the best, but I would say good.
Attitude 7/10, ain't the best, and ain't great, she seems very tired and sleepy, I hope she ain't doing drugs. But honestly her attitude was not too bad.
Now I know cons #1, #2, #3 are probably a norm but if I have offended any Star fans with the rest of my report, I'm sorry but that was my 2 cents and experience.
BTW what the hell is with those punks at the corner outside their shop?
[URL]https://honolulu.bedpage.com/Therape...u/8152652.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for your report JustWannaFawk! Your post validated what other mungers posted about Star. Quite refreshing to see that you posted what you think is her real age. 40+. I have NOT seen her personally yet, but avoided temptation to do so, because of the many conflicting reviews.
JustWannaFawk your honesty is appreciated. I don't really know if is fat as stated in your report. I did catch a glimpse of her through satellite tracking system and she does look curvy but because the satellite can only detect Star with her clothes on how fat she is cannot be detected. From the satellite imagery it appears she is approximately 5'4" or 5'5" tall at 130 to 140 pounds? Plus or minus 2 percent error. Carbon copied SS.
Personally I enjoy MSOG at least two times. If she can do MSOG 3 times in an hour that would be great. There are only a few hidden gems all stars in the RRL that can provide MSOG 3 X! Sasha can do MSOG 2 x. There were couple Thai LMTs, a few Chinese LMTs and couple Korean MP girls that are no longer in the RRL that can. My GF cannot; she is a novice. This is why service and attitude always trumps looks. JustWannaFawk from the looks of your report Star does not excel in neither service or attitude.
[QUOTE=DrMajikLuv69;5353559]Thanks for your report JustWannaFawk! Your post validated what other mungers posted about Star. Quite refreshing to see that you posted what you think is her real age. 40+. I have NOT seen her personally yet, but avoided temptation to do so, because of the many conflicting reviews.
JustWannaFawk your honesty is appreciated. I don't really know if is fat as stated in your report. I did catch a glimpse of her through satellite tracking system and she does look curvy but because the satellite can only detect Star with her clothes on how fat she is cannot be detected. From the satellite imagery it appears she is approximately 5'4" or 5'5" tall at 130 to 140 pounds? Plus or minus 2 percent error. Carbon copied SS.
Personally I enjoy MSOG at least two times. If she can do MSOG 3 times in an hour that would be great. There are only a few hidden gems all stars in the RRL that can provide MSOG 3 X! Sasha can do MSOG 2 x. There were couple Thai LMTs, a few Chinese LMTs and couple Korean MP girls that are no longer in the RRL that can. My GF cannot; she is a novice. This is why service and attitude always trumps looks. JustWannaFawk from the looks of your report Star does not excel in neither service or attitude.[/QUOTE]5'4-5'5 height, 130-140 lb female can NEVER look chubby. Not skinny but she can look even thin by standard (Americans are bigger LOL so standard of being thin can be quite generous). I know one girl at that stat, 5'3 130 lb, she does not look model like thin but looks thin enough that you can say she has active life.
5'7-5'8 130-140 lb female looks thin, and when that height woman hit scale at 120 lb yeah her bones will be so visible. Skinny to any standard but high end fashion designers.
If star is really 5'4-5'5 tall and 130-140 lb, she must look like many non-skinny but sexy black, Latina celebs. Maybe taller version of Salam Hayek, shorter version of Rihanna when she was heavier, Britney spears while she was insane with prisoner hair cut.
[QUOTE=Nephilim3000;5352985]Pink, Star and Shasha.[/QUOTE]Shasha's back? Last I heard she was on an extended vacation.
[QUOTE=DrMajikLuv69;5353559]Thanks for your report JustWannaFawk! Your post validated what other mungers posted about Star. Quite refreshing to see that you posted what you think is her real age. 40+. I have NOT seen her personally yet, but avoided temptation to do so, because of the many conflicting reviews.
JustWannaFawk your honesty is appreciated. I don't really know if is fat as stated in your report. I did catch a glimpse of her through satellite tracking system and she does look curvy but because the satellite can only detect Star with her clothes on how fat she is cannot be detected. From the satellite imagery it appears she is approximately 5'4" or 5'5" tall at 130 to 140 pounds? Plus or minus 2 percent error. Carbon copied SS.
Personally I enjoy MSOG at least two times. If she can do MSOG 3 times in an hour that would be great. There are only a few hidden gems all stars in the RRL that can provide MSOG 3 X! Sasha can do MSOG 2 x. There were couple Thai LMTs, a few Chinese LMTs and couple Korean MP girls that are no longer in the RRL that can. My GF cannot; she is a novice. This is why service and attitude always trumps looks. JustWannaFawk from the looks of your report Star does not excel in neither service or attitude.[/QUOTE]Star is more like 5'2"-5'3" 140-150 if I had to guess. 5'4"-5'5" 130-140 would be like a slightly slimmer Connie, think more of a Joy of Osaka or previously Tina at Tonbo, so think medium build and Star is not medium build.
There are some cute young independents out there that do allow MSOG so they are out there. A few of the youngins at SF, Hwell, VC might too if they like you.
[QUOTE=PostOfficeMan;5354013]Star is more like 5'2"-5'3" 140-150 if I had to guess. 5'4"-5'5" 130-140 would be like a slightly slimmer Connie, think more of a Joy of Osaka or previously Tina at Tonbo, so think medium build and Star is not medium build.
There are some cute young independents out there that do allow MSOG so they are out there. A few of the youngins at SF, Hwell, VC might too if they like you.[/QUOTE]Star is short and thicc (with a c LOL). First time with her got me hard just looking at that body and face. Everything was on the table except anal (probably) but she did let my tongue sink deep in her ass as well as fingers. She said we had good chemistry, and that other customers had been rude and pushy and she just gave them a HJ and sent them away. Respect goes far with most girls, as is normal in life.
Second time with her, I paid more attention to details, her thiccness seemed more chubby, her face looked older, and her accent was heavy Chinese. She also did that leg squeeze thing so you couldn't pound her deep. Still polite, but nowhere near as fun as the first time. Haven't been back since, plus the second time was when all the teenage thugs were hanging out drinking in the back parking lot. Was an overall disappointment.
OK, I have had Star twice and can honestly say it was good times. There is someone here who may call me a Star troll and even think I am over 80 (BTW, 1933 is not my birth year), but I've had no problems. No, she is not a spinner, but she's hardly a linebacker either as some have said. Is her ad accurate? Some of it, no. But then again, how many are? Think about it. How many claim to be young, skinny, hot, etc. , etc. , and steal pics from model sites? Then when you show up, it's an older lady at least 30 lbs. Heavier than advertised! Or, they do B and S. Is Star any different? All I can say is that I did not experience what some others claim. Whenever I see a girl, the first thing I always do is try to compliment her on something. Oh, you have nice eyes, your skin is so smooth, you have beautiful hair, etc. Nothing vulgar. I mean hey, they are human, too. And even though you are paying for a service, it never hurts to be nice. After a few visits, I've even managed FS with some supposedly HE only Thais. They're always like, "SHHHH, have to be quiet, OK? No tell!" Being nice pays. If you have a ATF, a small gift now and then goes a long way. Extra services, extra time. I've even done the compliment thing at restaurants, sometime getting a free dessert or drink. Yes, you are paying for a service, but it doesn't mean you cannot give extras, too.
[QUOTE=Kennie1933;5356796]OK, I have had Star twice and can honestly say it was good times. There is someone here who may call me a Star troll and even think I am over 80 (BTW, 1933 is not my birth year), but I've had no problems. No, she is not a spinner, but she's hardly a linebacker either as some have said. Is her ad accurate? Some of it, no. But then again, how many are? Think about it. How many claim to be young, skinny, hot, etc. , etc. , and steal pics from model sites? Then when you show up, it's an older lady at least 30 lbs. Heavier than advertised! Or, they do B and S. Is Star any different? All I can say is that I did not experience what some others claim. Whenever I see a girl, the first thing I always do is try to compliment her on something. Oh, you have nice eyes, your skin is so smooth, you have beautiful hair, etc. Nothing vulgar. I mean hey, they are human, too. And even though you are paying for a service, it never hurts to be nice. After a few visits, I've even managed FS with some supposedly HE only Thais. They're always like, "SHHHH, have to be quiet, OK? No tell!" Being nice pays. If you have a ATF, a small gift now and then goes a long way. Extra services, extra time. I've even done the compliment thing at restaurants, sometime getting a free dessert or drink. Yes, you are paying for a service, but it doesn't mean you cannot give extras, too.[/QUOTE]I see your point. Well said. If I may ask in your opinion is Star heavy set as in chunky? I'm trying to decipher all these posts but it seems as if the general consensus is Star is in the 140-150 pound range.
[QUOTE=Mandalorian45;5359003]I see your point. Well said. If I may ask in your opinion is Star heavy set as in chunky? I'm trying to decipher all these posts but it seems as if the general consensus is Star is in the 140-150 pound range.[/QUOTE]So much stuff about Star is cause of her ad. She aint 27 and the pics not her now. Could be when she was 27, but doubt that is her in pics, tho she says that's her. She 130's to 140's at about 5 ft 3. She about size like Yoko or Connie from happiness cause they all got that belly with some rolls, just like some of the thick Thais in Aiea. Just depends on their attitude and service.
[QUOTE=RoyBoy808;5359601]So much stuff about Star is cause of her ad. She aint 27 and the pics not her now. Could be when she was 27, but doubt that is her in pics, tho she says that's her. She 130's to 140's at about 5 ft 3. She about size like Yoko or Connie from happiness cause they all got that belly with some rolls, just like some of the thick Thais in Aiea. Just depends on their attitude and service.[/QUOTE]This is pretty accurate. All I am saying is that yes, her ad is not accurate, but the majority of them are not. Very few use real pics. If you see a pretty Asian model type pic, chances are it's not that girl. If she says 25, add 10-15 years. Think with your big head. You'll be lucky if you get what you see in the ad. As for service, YMMV as always. But as I suggest, it won't hurt to start with a compliment or two.
[QUOTE=RoyBoy808;5359601]So much stuff about Star is cause of her ad. She aint 27 and the pics not her now. Could be when she was 27, but doubt that is her in pics, tho she says that's her. She 130's to 140's at about 5 ft 3. She about size like Yoko or Connie from happiness cause they all got that belly with some rolls, just like some of the thick Thais in Aiea. Just depends on their attitude and service.[/QUOTE]Hey thanks for the reference comparison to Yoko and Connie!
For me, now I have something to go by. Both Yoko and Connie are 10 for service for me so it goes a long way. Seems like Star service is not quite up to the other two level. Just my opinion.
[QUOTE=Kennie1933;5356796]OK, I have had Star twice and can honestly say it was good times. There is someone here who may call me a Star troll and even think I am over 80 (BTW, 1933 is not my birth year), but I've had no problems. No, she is not a spinner, but she's hardly a linebacker either as some have said. Is her ad accurate? Some of it, no. But then again, how many are? Think about it. How many claim to be young, skinny, hot, etc. , etc. , and steal pics from model sites? Then when you show up, it's an older lady at least 30 lbs. Heavier than advertised! Or, they do B and S. Is Star any different? All I can say is that I did not experience what some others claim. Whenever I see a girl, the first thing I always do is try to compliment her on something. Oh, you have nice eyes, your skin is so smooth, you have beautiful hair, etc. Nothing vulgar. I mean hey, they are human, too. And even though you are paying for a service, it never hurts to be nice. After a few visits, I've even managed FS with some supposedly HE only Thais. They're always like, "SHHHH, have to be quiet, OK? No tell!" Being nice pays. If you have a ATF, a small gift now and then goes a long way. Extra services, extra time. I've even done the compliment thing at restaurants, sometime getting a free dessert or drink. Yes, you are paying for a service, but it doesn't mean you cannot give extras, too.[/QUOTE]I got to agree 100%. The lady provider wants to feel appreciated and "pampered" just like any other chick. Even if it's a small something sometimes its really their perception that you went out of your way for them. It's an excellent icebreaker and gets things off in a positive way. I try to creatively gauge the provider ahead of time as to determine what would be appreciated by her and will often use the gift in lieu of a tip.
The reports of Star are accurate. A version of Yoko but services could have been better. I have to admit I was going from an unsatisfied legit massage to a guarantee release at Blue Star so it was an expensive morning.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2269-Mature-[/URL](40-Asian-Providers-in-Honolulu&p=5365389&viewfull=1#post5365389.
Star: mixed looking maybe Latino Asian. Does not speak Korean and from NY. She gave me a 646 area code but anyone can get a burner digit now days. Age, mid to late 30's. She was nice and accommodating in different positions from BJ, mish, doggie and repeat. Her BJ was very good and I think I should have finished like that since it was a little loose for my taste. Damage was standard.
[QUOTE=Myster;5365879]The reports of Star are accurate. A version of Yoko but services could have been better. I have to admit I was going from an unsatisfied legit massage to a guarantee release at Blue Star so it was an expensive morning.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2269-Mature-[/URL](40-Asian-Providers-in-Honolulu&p=5365389&viewfull=1#post5365389.
Star: mixed looking maybe Latino Asian. Does not speak Korean and from NY. She gave me a 646 area code but anyone can get a burner digit now days. Age, mid to late 30's. She was nice and accommodating in different positions from BJ, mish, doggie and repeat. Her BJ was very good and I think I should have finished like that since it was a little loose for my taste. Damage was standard.[/QUOTE]Thanks for honest reporting. Was she BB or covered and msog open?
[QUOTE=LastHurrah;5366176]Thanks for honest reporting. Was she BB or covered and msog open?[/QUOTE]Posted from my phone so I neglected to add some key info. She was covered but got to persuade her to BB. It didn't last as she was guiding me in during doggie and keep her knees tighter during mish. As Kennie1933 mentioned, being polite and nice goes a long way and it did, though a little short and didn't finish in BB.
I was on a mission to pop so it was 40 min, no massage and none afterwards. It would have been a nice desert but I was over; until next time.
[QUOTE=LastHurrah;5366176]Thanks for honest reporting. Was she BB or covered and msog open?[/QUOTE]Bb or cover is what only you can find by yourself when you visit.
Absolutely up to provider's decision.
What one thousands reports bb does NOT mean you will get bb too, what thousands reports covered does not mean you will never get bb.
Too much pressure on bareback fucking was one of the reason why many talents from mainland decline coming to Hawaii, along with longer and harder working and less money.
Called to see if Hana returned. Did not. Star is the only one there.
[QUOTE=Enona1;5366909]Called to see if Hana returned. Did not. Star is the only one there.[/QUOTE]What happened to Pink and Sasha?
[QUOTE=MrCrowley;5367040]What happened to Pink and Sasha?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Enona1;5366909]Called to see if Hana returned. Did not. Star is the only one there.[/QUOTE]Pink is still there I just saw her Saturday night. She was wearing a white dress with black horizontal stripes. Hana is at Asia Spa now.
[QUOTE=SecretAgent;5367547]Pink is still there I just saw her Saturday night. She was wearing a white dress with black horizontal stripes. Hana is at Asia Spa now.[/QUOTE]When I called Monday I was told it was just Star, not sure if she meant Pink was off. Hana not working at all right now. Asked Apple on Saturday, she said Hana going back to Blue Star. Blue Star mama said she's not sure if or when Hana returning. I was hoping she'd be at Asia.
[QUOTE=SecretAgent;5367547]Pink is still there I just saw her Saturday night. She was wearing a white dress with black horizontal stripes. Hana is at Asia Spa now.[/QUOTE]I wanted to see Pink today so I called, mama said she's on vacation, so I can confirm, it's just Star there right now.
[QUOTE=TheQuiz;5369073]I wanted to see Pink today so I called, mama said she's on vacation, so I can confirm, it's just Star there right now.[/QUOTE]All the girls left. How is blue star going to make money?
[QUOTE=Nephilim3000;5369426]All the girls left. How is blue star going to make money?[/QUOTE]Wouldn't be surprised if they shut down soon. All those punks hanging around there must've scared all the girls away.
[QUOTE=CheapCharlie;5369862]Wouldn't be surprised if they shut down soon. All those punks hanging around there must've scared all the girls away.[/QUOTE]Think they're gone. Drove by in the afternoon and didn't see anyone there. Only a small memorial left on the side.
[QUOTE=Nephilim3000;5369426]All the girls left. How is blue star going to make money?[/QUOTE]Star's hf will bring some of rental money.
Less debt is better than more debt.
BS rental is not cheap though. Tough for owner. By calculation, if one girl guarantee 7-8 or more customers a day, owner will not need debt.
I think soon girls will be or someone who need to work will choose bs.
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[QUOTE=TheQuiz;5369073]I wanted to see Pink today so I called, mama said she's on vacation, so I can confirm, it's just Star there right now.[/QUOTE]Ha, always like how the mama says they are on vacation, Pink and Sasha.
Pretty sure Pink won't be coming back, told me she was going back mainland and didn't want to come back to Hawaii. We will see how the vacation goes.
[QUOTE=TropicalSex;5372903]Ha, always like how the mama says they are on vacation, Pink and Sasha.
Pretty sure Pink won't be coming back, told me she was going back mainland and didn't want to come back to Hawaii. We will see how the vacation goes.[/QUOTE]I wonder how long Blue Star can survive with just one girl working? Sucks to hear about Pink not wanting to come back but she's not alone with that sentiment. I have heard some girls say they aren't happy here in Hawaii.
[QUOTE=PostOfficeMan;5373437]I wonder how long Blue Star can survive with just one girl working? Sucks to hear about Pink not wanting to come back but she's not alone with that sentiment. I have heard some girls say they aren't happy here in Hawaii.[/QUOTE]I'm sure mama looking for more talent! Don't want them to close. We're already low in places to go.
[QUOTE=PostOfficeMan;5373437]I wonder how long Blue Star can survive with just one girl working? Sucks to hear about Pink not wanting to come back but she's not alone with that sentiment. I have heard some girls say they aren't happy here in Hawaii.[/QUOTE]Somebody said Star needs to fuck 7-8 guys per day to cover the blue star rent. If she bangs 7 guys per day.
7 x $60=$420 daily! Then $420 x30 days = $12,600 per month. Of that you need to pay out the daytime mama $200 and the nighttime mama $200. $200+$200 = $400 multiple that by 30 days. $400 x30 = $12,000 that leaves $600 to pay the property rent, electricity, water, sewer, food that mama will cook for Star for 30 days, laundry detergent, soap, mouthwash, lotion, Kleenex, baby oil, massage lotion, towels, other miscellaneous needs. Hmm $600 profit for the whole month might not make. If Star is the only girl there now, she will need to step up her game and bang 3 times more guys every day! More like 21 or 24 guys per day to cover for the other 3-4 girls that left BS. If she fucked 21 guys per day that might help cover the rent, water electricity etc.
I hope mama can get Shasha back soon (within the next week or 2). I would love to partake of her talents in June.
[QUOTE=MissaJim;5374680]I hope mama can get Shasha back soon (within the next week or 2). I would love to partake of her talents in June.[/QUOTE]I heard she's on long vacation.
Likely a very very long vacation, based on what I heard.
[QUOTE=LastHurrah;5374928]I heard she's on long vacation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SpoodrikBrad1;5374973]Likely a very very long vacation, based on what I heard.[/QUOTE]What did you hear?