Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Ozbert;7676932]I get your idea, but to your point on fake photos being an open secret, that isn't transparency. That's just falling for advertising. Like a car dealership claiming 4 k off MSRP then adding in 5 k of dealer adds. If the photos weren't so obviously fake, we may have played along, but it's clearly a picture of Michelle Yeoh, which is a big claim. If we can't tell what the girls look like, it is just another shill account.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Hopefully they hear it as well and I wish AMP's didn't do that but they do, everywhere.

The seem like pretty good people in my dealings with them, you should say something on their thread but don't just call them liars, tell them why posting fake pics hurts their credibility.

To be honest I would like to see how they respond. I was really castigating the people who were making jokes about them getting an advertising budget not the photo guys.

To be completely honest I'm not a disinterested observer either, they are now supporting the forum so I feel I owe them loyalty as well.

I appreciate you answering.

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Looks like Infinity Spa is a advertiser / sponsor on this forum now. Does that mean when they get in trouble with the law, this website maybe taken down like Backpage? Government can say this website serves as an advertisement medium for "Illegal stuff"? Will suck if it happens, love the information exchange that happens here.

To the Admins. I'm just a curious Monger, not trying to be negative. I fully understand the website needs sponsor for it to be free for us.

[QUOTE=FreeWayRoss;7677187]Looks like Infinity Spa is a advertiser / sponsor on this forum now. Does that mean when they get in trouble with the law, this website maybe taken down like Backpage? Government can say this website serves as an advertisement medium for "Illegal stuff"? Will suck if it happens, love the information exchange that happens here.

To the Admins. I'm just a curious Monger, not trying to be negative. I fully understand the website needs sponsor for it to be free for us.[/QUOTE]Massage Establishments are legal, licensed, tax-paying entities within their local jurisdictional counties and states. Anything more than that is speculation and hearsay. Do the Feds take down the counties and states for granting business access? The landlords for approving leases? Insurance companies for blanketing policies? The IRS for accepting quarterly / annual dues? Cellular and Internet companies for allowing communications? Google and other search engines for approving business listings? Web hosts for domains?

Seems like a big racket for one little business. I wouldn't worry about it.

[QUOTE=FreeWayRoss;7677187]Looks like Infinity Spa is a advertiser / sponsor on this forum now. Does that mean when they get in trouble with the law, this website maybe taken down like Backpage? Government can say this website serves as an advertisement medium for "Illegal stuff"? Will suck if it happens, love the information exchange that happens here.

To the Admins. I'm just a curious Monger, not trying to be negative. I fully understand the website needs sponsor for it to be free for us.[/QUOTE]No to your question. The server is located at an overseas location where US has no jurisdiction over.

Had some time to kill last night so I stopped by Lucky Spa hoping to see Dream. She unfortunately was busy so I got a girl named Cherry. She gave a decent massage and her English is very good. We did all the usual stuff with me finishing in her mouth. I've been here several times and have always left very happy. Hoping I can make it back to see Dream before she takes a break.

[QUOTE=Nofapp;7676208]I stopped by as well, and it was closed, just like you said. I really wanted to check out lucky.[/QUOTE]Just to confirm, the place on McKellips / Gilbert rds in Mesa, I see a King Spa is that the one?

[QUOTE=FreeWayRoss;7677187]Looks like Infinity Spa is a advertiser / sponsor on this forum now. Does that mean when they get in trouble with the law, this website maybe taken down like Backpage? Government can say this website serves as an advertisement medium for "Illegal stuff"? Will suck if it happens, love the information exchange that happens here.

To the Admins. I'm just a curious Monger, not trying to be negative. I fully understand the website needs sponsor for it to be free for us.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Is somebody offering sex for money in an ad on the forum? We have some national ads where they have a banner that says "come fuck me tonight" but there is no price and I have told all the people who are choosing these new "metro ads" that just like Seeking if they offer sex for money I delete the ads and keep the money.

Please if you see anybody advertising on this forum making an offer of Sex for money please report it to me so that I can take the appropriate action.

Thanks for your concern,

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[QUOTE=Aznative78;7673725]Here comes the Gold rush.[/QUOTE]Based on the info provide and the "gold rush" reference, I reached out to Golden Massage in Mesa but there's no Lucky working there. If you guys can confirm which spa she's working at, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Admin2;7677090][BLUE]Hopefully they hear it as well and I wish AMP's didn't do that but they do, everywhere.

The seem like pretty good people in my dealings with them, you should say something on their thread but don't just call them liars, tell them why posting fake pics hurts their credibility.

To be honest I would like to see how they respond. I was really castigating the people who were making jokes about them getting an advertising budget not the photo guys.

To be completely honest I'm not a disinterested observer either, they are now supporting the forum so I feel I owe them loyalty as well.

I appreciate you answering.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more with the positive comments made on behalf of Infinity, at least they're trying to be transperant and I'm already loving their new thread. Saves a lot of time on who the lineup is and the pics they post are suppose to be representative of what the talent looks like. Not identical. Does the burger you see advertised on TV ever look anywhere near as good when you buy it in person? There's no AMP or Agency that posts the actual pics, with rare exception and if they do they are heavily photoshopped. I'd rather get a representative look of the girl vs. The real girl with a blurred face.

Went to Spa 63 to have a visit with Tina. The TS setup was mediocre at best. Imaging grabbing a table and throwing a plastic sheet over it. She didn't do much in there but it appears she saved it for the room. Massage was firm and pretty good and on the flip it was game on. Beautiful body, D's and I think they are MM but did a good job, not firm. Started at 69, she is very clean down there and she has talent in the BBBJ. Flipped around for cowgirl and popped in the hat. She was great but the only girl working there so we got interuppted during the massage. After that, she was ready to move to next gentleman so no massage after but she wasn't rude about it.

Went into Lucky yesterday and Cindy is no longer on the line-up. Anyone know where she went?

Went to Red 8 and drew Maggie. She's been described previously but she's about 5'3 with C cups. After undressing, she took me to the shower to wash me down and dry me off. Back to the room, we hugged and made out lfk as she took off her clothes. She then dropped to her knees BBBJ while I admired the view on the mirror. We then got on the table acg, mish, and she came during standing mish. Afterwards, she finished me cim. They were getting busy by that time, so I got dressed and left so she could take care of the next customer.

[QUOTE=SigShooter;7675175]Thanks for the response, OG. I realize there is only one called "Cloud". So if this place is now a nutbusting Shangri-La, I'll head back there.[/QUOTE]Yes, Cloud is located next to the liquor store on the NE corner of Broadway and Lindsey. Someone on RM made a comment on a Cloud review earlier this month saying they are just as good as Aloha and Spring were if not better.

I stopped by No. 2 Massage in Chandler today. I haven't been there before. Based on what I've read on this place, I wasn't expecting anything or at most "handling my own affairs. " I drew Ewa, who looked more Thai than Chinese to me. I got an hour Lomi-Lomi massage of $80 (same price as Swedish, usually it's an up-charge). She came in and got started. Soon another lady came in and started helping. Not long after I was asked if I wanted four hand, which I declined because I don't know what to expect of this place.

Nothing really happened on my stomach. I was pretty much covered the entire time but the cover did end up bunched up between my legs towards the end. It seemed like she was kind of trying to be sensual but not really touching anything. That's my clue that I'm going to be handling my own affairs at the end. I flipped over and she held the cover up in front of her so she wouldn't see anything. She again bunched it up between my legs so that she could work on them. Again, getting close but no actual touching. She did my arms but nothing on the chest stomach and then the massage was over.

So, no extra services here but the massage was pretty good.

I'm not sure why it's "No. 2 Massage. " Maybe there's a No. 1 Massage somewhere.

Is she the same Sophia that we used to see near Mill and Broadway? If so, love her sexual energy. Is the european spa near cave creek rd?

[QUOTE=PowerZ;7665482]Sophia is a favorite on mine as she is a bit more mature. She knows how to treat a man and caters to my requests. Her lips are large and soft which makes for passionate
kissing. She's probably around 5'7" and long and lean with a nicely proportioned upper body. She has long dark hair but this time she had some blondish highlights. I liked it.

We greeted each other like old lovers. I wanted to take it slow since I wanted to play for the entire time. No massage today. Sophia accommodated and we took it slow. What a great time. BBBJ, daty, dato, DFK and cfs.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone have the current Red8 lineup specifics? I know Maggie has gotten some attention lately but who else is there?

Not sure about Cloud being good as Spring in its prime, that's a bold statement. Be careful out there fellas!

[QUOTE=Soundmind;7677978]Went into Lucky yesterday and Cindy is no longer on the line-up. Anyone know where she went?[/QUOTE]Last time I visited her, she mentioned she was going to New York next.

She was my all time favorite, even though she didn't really speak English.

I used to see Dream often while she was in Chandler. Finally got a chance to take the long drive to Peoria to have my dream again. Saw her earlier in the morning. She remembered me and was so happy to see me. She took so good care of me that it really felt like a Dream. No talk of money or time. Just blissful experience where we both enjoyed each other's company. The couch next to the bed made it more fun. Looking forward to visiting her more often. It will be well worth the drive to have a Dream that good.

[QUOTE=DsmDiggler;7678214]Does anyone have the current Red8 lineup specifics? I know Maggie has gotten some attention lately but who else is there?

Not sure about Cloud being good as Spring in its prime, that's a bold statement. Be careful out there fellas![/QUOTE]Lineup is Maggie and Alice. Maggie has a few posts about her. Alice is on the taller side with excellent massage skills, not that I was there for massage. But, it was so good that I thought I should mention it for people who are looking for both fun and good massage LOL.

[QUOTE=DsmDiggler;7678214]Does anyone have the current Red8 lineup specifics? I know Maggie has gotten some attention lately but who else is there?

Not sure about Cloud being good as Spring in its prime, that's a bold statement. Be careful out there fellas![/QUOTE]Hi Alice and Maggie are currently working. Both are beautiful and insatiable. Alice's GFE and license quality massage was outstanding for me. Maggie is a TUMA master who can take a pounding. You can't go wrong with either choice. Happy Monger!

I was on vacation from my permanent vacation and missed the kerfuffle about the Infinity ad. I think the ad is wonderful. I really appreciate capitalism. The bigger problem is mongers that walk into an AMP and want to barter for a BBBJ in the lobby. Those assholes do more damage to our hobby than any legitimate ad in any online forum. Be safe out there, lads.

[QUOTE=DsmDiggler;7678214]Not sure about Cloud being good as Spring in its prime, that's a bold statement. Be careful out there fellas![/QUOTE]The guy on RM who said Cloud is as good as Aloha and Spring has a public profile showing 8 reviews between Aloha and Spring. Furthermore, he has reviewed girls such as Tina and Lulu (Lucky at LH), who were two of the most popular and sought after girls from the Big 6 era who have an extensive amount of glowing reviews on this site. I was careful in doing my homework before pointing him out.

When someone like that is saying Cloud is as good or better than those places, we should pay attention.

Read a lot of reviews about Tina and stopped by to see her. I asked about the TS and she said she keeps her clothes on and will wash you down. The reviews about her are pretty accurate. She's cute with a very nice body. She gives a good BBBJ. She is also very responsive to you dining at the why. With me she was very vocal and very wet. We went through all the positions with me finishing in Standing missionary with me holding her ankles and pushing her legs back. This for me was my favorite position. I think she liked it too ir she was really good at making me feel that way. Hope I can find the time and have some extra money to see her again before she leaves.

My all time favorite is back in town. Going to be a very expensive month LOL. I do gatekeep a little but happy to say who in my DMs. Name starts with an M and is a deepthroat legend. Curious to see how many guys will know who I am talking about without mentioning the name.

Any recommendations for a great massage with a good L1 in the east valley? Younger MT preferable as long as not grannies. It's so hard to find that combination. TIA mongers!

It's been a while since I'd been to K-Spa, so I stopped in today to see who was available. Walked up to the sliding window, and Lulu caught my eye, so I decided to take a chance on someone new. Lulu is around 5'34", slightly curvy, attractive, and has a very sweet personality. We used a translator app without any issues, and communication was easy enough. Started with a relaxing massage before transitioning into a very sensual B2 B nuru experience. She put a lot of effort into the session from start to finish which I appreciated a lot. Loved her energy and enthusiasm. Her service was excellent, even gave me a quick standing shower afterward to help clean up.

Lulu is friendly, attractive, and puts a lot of effort into making sure you have a good time. I'd happily see her again.

Also saw Lily on my way out. She's still my favorite Spanish-speaking Asian MILF, and I've never had a bad session with her. Between the two of them, I'd say K-Spa has a pretty solid lineup currently.

[QUOTE=Abiere;7680422]Any recommendations for a great massage with a good L1 in the east valley? Younger MT preferable as long as not grannies. It's so hard to find that combination. TIA mongers![/QUOTE]Maybe try Sunrise Spa on Alma School just north of Chandler Boulevard.

[QUOTE=IndyJon;7680493]Maybe try Sunrise Spa on Alma School just north of Chandler Boulevard.[/QUOTE]I was told that Wendy does a really good job on massage and also taking care of you with L1. But I've seen Ruby there and love her. Fellow monger said she was gone until September or October I think though, but when she is back I will see her again.

You can also try Tian Mei in Chandler. The girl I saw, Coco, left, can't remember other lady. But they were both very good. Haven't tried anyone else.

Back in March I was in Tucson and tried Nice Day spa on the east side by Sabino. Recommended to try Mimi and she was amazing. Made a post for that trip.

Guy who had made previous report said she left for Phoenix but didn't know where she was headed.

She went by Mimi and I searched and found a couple of Mimi's, most prominently at Infinity. I think she was Japanese mix, from what I heard and saw. Does anyone know if this Mimi at Infinity was working in Tucson earlier this year at Nice Day? And if not, has anyone seen or heard of a small Japanese looking girl that recently came from there? I would like to see her again as I am in Phoenix usually. Thanks for any help.

[QUOTE=AussChub;7680563]I was told that Wendy does a really good job on massage and also taking care of you with L1. But I've seen Ruby there and love her. Fellow monger said she was gone until September or October I think though, but when she is back I will see her again.

You can also try Tian Mei in Chandler. The girl I saw, Coco, left, can't remember other lady. But they were both very good. Haven't tried anyone else.[/QUOTE]Is Tianmei hit and miss with L1 or all good now? I went a few times (granted this was years ago) and only got a L1 once. It was a lady that they said was Kiki, but I know it wasn't Kiki. She told me her "real" name, but I forgot it. May have been Kikis sister from what I read here later on? She was amazing! The ladies there were incredibly hot, but I wasn't sure if it was a sure thing (I was inexperienced at AMPs at that time for sure for the record).

I really wanted Kiki, but she was always the greeter and would walk me back to a room and then switch. Most she did was give me a hug the first time I went as she apologized for it being so busy and said something like 5 or 10 minutes (was already waiting in the room for a bit). And the time that it did go really well, I asked for Kiki and they gave me the other lady, but it was awesome anyway (she was also pretty).

[QUOTE=HeelLover;7680577]Is Tianmei hit and miss with L1 or all good now? I went a few times (granted this was years ago) and only got a L1 once. It was a lady that they said was Kiki, but I know it wasn't Kiki. She told me her "real" name, but I forgot it. May have been Kikis sister from what I read here later on? She was amazing! The ladies there were incredibly hot, but I wasn't sure if it was a sure thing (I was inexperienced at AMPs at that time for sure for the record).

I really wanted Kiki, but she was always the greeter and would walk me back to a room and then switch. Most she did was give me a hug the first time I went as she apologized for it being so busy and said something like 5 or 10 minutes (was already waiting in the room for a bit). And the time that it did go really well, I asked for Kiki and they gave me the other lady, but it was awesome anyway (she was also pretty).[/QUOTE]I've only been recently. Coco was my girl and she massaged great but is gone no idea how long. I went back and figured out I had Anna. She was ok. Not as good looking but on flip she pulled shirt up, not as much roaming as Coco. They do leave the door open a crack though so not sure if L2 is open as well. Friend said he saw Tiffany and she didn't massage as good as Coco but looked good, younger, and on flip asked if he wanted to do it or wanted help. He told her to and she did and sounded good and fun. Also thought maybe more available. They had a good website where names are listed and can make appts. All I can say for them right now, ok massage with those two, a tug, and that's about it.

[QUOTE=AussChub;7680586]I've only been recently. Coco was my girl and she massaged great but is gone no idea how long. I went back and figured out I had Anna. She was ok. Not as good looking but on flip she pulled shirt up, not as much roaming as Coco. They do leave the door open a crack though so not sure if L2 is open as well. Friend said he saw Tiffany and she didn't massage as good as Coco but looked good, younger, and on flip asked if he wanted to do it or wanted help. He told her to and she did and sounded good and fun. Also thought maybe more available. They had a good website where names are listed and can make appts. All I can say for them right now, ok massage with those two, a tug, and that's about it.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, Kiki used to give L3 before she got married. She is off limits now, of course. She just does scheduling and management duties now.

Almost all girls there will give L1, with the right tip.

[QUOTE=AussChub;7680586]I've only been recently. Coco was my girl and she massaged great but is gone no idea how long. I went back and figured out I had Anna. She was ok. Not as good looking but on flip she pulled shirt up, not as much roaming as Coco. They do leave the door open a crack though so not sure if L2 is open as well. Friend said he saw Tiffany and she didn't massage as good as Coco but looked good, younger, and on flip asked if he wanted to do it or wanted help. He told her to and she did and sounded good and fun. Also thought maybe more available. They had a good website where names are listed and can make appts. All I can say for them right now, ok massage with those two, a tug, and that's about it.[/QUOTE]Ya Kiki the greeter was all in for me. I developed a private off time interaction with her and she was as saucy as they come. In shop we had our fun but away from it was like riding lightning. Too bad she ended up getting married for $. Good for her though 👍127995;.

Crystal.

SHOP: Gold Panda.

APPEARANCE: age 28-30, height around 5 ft 6, shaved kitty, big tits but saggy, attractive face, nice big ass, and her overall build is similar to a Latina body. Supposedly, she is French and Vietnamese according to other posters. When I initially met her I swore she just looked Latina to me, but then in the room together I could kind of see the Asian phenotype in her face. It isn't as pronounced as most HAPA girls making me wonder if she is like a third or quarter Asian.

PERFORMANCE: Crystal was shy at first then a little more personable. I skipped the table shower since I showered already. Her BBBJ skills were alright. Positions were DATY, 69, and doggy style. Usually I opt for cowgirl at AMPs, but Crystal's big ass had me wanting doggy! You won't be disappointed with that view in doggy.

DAMAGE: 60 to house for 1 hr, plus tip for L3.

OVERALL: Had a good time at Gold Panda. I would recommend and I'll definitely be back in the future. I prefer ass over tits, and it was nice to be with a girl at an AMP with a big ass! Since so many past reports had mongers praising Fendi I couldn't help but ask if she's also in their current line-up. Crystal said Fendi isn't, but Coco is. Not sure if this is the same Coco that moves around other AMPs.

[QUOTE=KingStannis;7680614]Crystal.

SHOP: Gold Panda.

APPEARANCE: age 28-30, height around 5 ft 6, shaved kitty, big tits but saggy, attractive face, nice big ass, and her overall build is similar to a Latina body. Supposedly, she is French and Vietnamese according to other posters. When I initially met her I swore she just looked Latina to me, but then in the room together I could kind of see the Asian phenotype in her face. It isn't as pronounced as most HAPA girls making me wonder if she is like a third or quarter Asian.

PERFORMANCE: Crystal was shy at first then a little more personable. I skipped the table shower since I showered already. Her BBBJ skills were alright. Positions were DATY, 69, and doggy style. Usually I opt for cowgirl at AMPs, but Crystal's big ass had me wanting doggy! You won't be disappointed with that view in doggy.

DAMAGE: 60 to house for 1 hr, plus tip for L3.

OVERALL: Had a good time at Gold Panda. I would recommend and I'll definitely be back in the future. I prefer ass over tits, and it was nice to be with a girl at an AMP with a big ass! Since so many past reports had mongers praising Fendi I couldn't help but ask if she's also in their current line-up. Crystal said Fendi isn't, but Coco is. Not sure if this is the same Coco that moves around other AMPs.[/QUOTE]Fendi usually is on the line up when Crystal is off. So she'll probably be back next month. I've had Crystal a few times. She's my ATF. While I agree she has a really nice ass, I wouldn't describe it as big. It does seem big Compared to the average Asian with a pancake ass you typically see at an AMP though. That being said, if you're an ass man you're going to love Fendi. By far the biggest and best ass I've come across since I started going to AMPs a year ago. And her service is nearly as good as Crystal's imo. You got to do the ts with Fendi and Crystal as well if you see her again. They both excell in the shower. Especially Fendi.

[QUOTE=Alan2020;7678816]I used to see Dream often while she was in Chandler. Finally got a chance to take the long drive to Peoria to have my dream again. Saw her earlier in the morning. She remembered me and was so happy to see me. She took so good care of me that it really felt like a Dream. No talk of money or time. Just blissful experience where we both enjoyed each other's company. The couch next to the bed made it more fun. Looking forward to visiting her more often. It will be well worth the drive to have a Dream that good.[/QUOTE]That sounds like every session I've basically had with Dream too. She is a superstar. I'll continue to make the drive across town for her.

[QUOTE=SemiCumductor6;7679534]Hi Alice and Maggie are currently working. Both are beautiful and insatiable. Alice's GFE and license quality massage was outstanding for me. Maggie is a TUMA master who can take a pounding. You can't go wrong with either choice. Happy Monger![/QUOTE]Sir, You're assessment is spot on. I had a fantastic time with Maggie the other day. She was playful in the standing shower, and her TUMA and GFE was really fun. She really enjoyed sex and easily squirted multiple times during main course. I rarely find someone at AMP that is 8/10 in every category. Appearance, scent, and performance are all superior to other places in Mesa. I left really satisfied and plan to see her again before she leaves by the end of the month. Total damage was $$. 0 (TUMA was included in standard tips).

Here on work in Phoenix but somehow they put me in a hotel in Peoria. It's about 30 minutes outside of Phoenix so I had to scrounge around to see if there's any full service joints. Found this one reviews are pretty solid on the other side so I went and hoping for the full monty. Nicole was at the door not sure if she's the only one there but after seeing those nice. I didn't even see anybody else. She did the usual have you been here before and I was pretty on and said no I'm working in Phoenix. Maybe she thought it was competition because she said I did the right thing coming there and that's just going to take care of it. Mission complete about 30 minutes in he started the teasing. She did a really great inner thigh ride where she rubs my crotch leading up to the boys. On the flip around she pulled out the alcohol wipes clean me off. We're all the cover on. I don't like the idea of it coming out of a napkin that's for damn sure but when you're hard what are you going to do. Good skills on top better skills from behind. I'm looking to do some more research in Phoenix to see what they offer but not a bad local spot.

Was feeling lazy but wanted to get someone. Saw Infinity lineup and Maggie at Red 8 looked promising but dammit too far away. After reading good review of Sophia / Angela at European Message (Cave Creek & Sweetwater) decided to give it a try.

I get there and Tina answered (30-35 yo) said Sophia busy. Dammit. After last month's debacle there with Lucy was skeptical but YOLO. I paid full hour. 7 and off I was.

Negotiated and paid. 18 tip. She was honest no DFK but LFK with lip action ok. She got cleaned up and off we were. Only rules no FIV, no greek, and no DFK. That said a great semi-GFE. She LOVES DATY or great actress, but she was super into it. Laid her down, 69, etc. Then a nice and sloppy BBBJ. And on came rubber. She actually deviated a bit and allowed a bit of DFK, and her rack is amazing, felt real to me, but nice and super perky and responsive tits and allowed me to feast on them for a while!

Overall good service and nice relaxing massage at the end. Night and day from Lucy last month and at the end Sophia / Angela came hugged me then started to dry hump me and said to visit her this week before they leave for the month, haha.

It wasn't on par with say Eva at Infinity or Fendi at GP, but it was a great service. Probably could have haggled down to. 16 but overall left a happy camper.

Great to finally see a new "Big 6" emerging, in the West, Infinity is definitely the crown jewel, but I know some of the same girls rotate thru to Lucky Spa and K-spa and a lot of great reviews. In the East my new found favorite is Cloud and hear great things about Red 8, not sure who #6 might be? I just saw Eva at Cloud over the weekend for the 2nd time in past week. While not quite the hotness and service level of Kelly (very few are) Eva is the sweet GND, cute face, 5'4", great body, long brown hair down to middle of her ass, with a beautiful natural B / C rack and a very nice ass, petite and great head game. A little quiet due to her english challenge, but a sweetheart. Coco who I met on way in and out both times is very tempting.