Korean Bar Reports

[QUOTE=GKaniho;1194625]Where can I go to get a guarantee full service session on my first visit? I don't want to jerk around just want the sex. Buying drinks gets so expensive. Trying to save my self money but still get laid.[/QUOTE]1. Trying to save money? Stay out of the bars.

2. Guaranteed FS on first visit? Go AMP.

Sounds like a question from LE or a complete noob.

Have you not read any of the prior posts? It's been beaten to death here that KBs are a low-yield environment. One poster posited that most who go to KBs are not doing it for the sex. I agree.

[QUOTE=Oldee;1195085]I was in a curious / crazy mood recenty so I did a rough head count of customers in the 10 koreamoku bars from about about 8 to midnight. Some I drank at and some I just used the restroom or walked around. Its not hard to do, walking the town circuit is an easy stroll. I always knew that we kbargoers were a rare breed (stupid breed) and that we are probably 1 in a 100 or less adult men that go. But I think now its more like 1 in 200. Anyhow, my rough count was 176 guys TOTAL for all the bars. I stayed at each bar not more than 40 min and some cases 2 minutes. Guys come and go in bars so I figure lets be genorous and double, triple, quaduple that count to get an aproximation of just how many customers there were the whole night. I doubt the bars cycle out more than 4 times a night. (my guess is 2 or 3) One bar had as few as 3 customers and the most was 56. Think cause was a grand opening for the busy one. I didn't count the rooms but a good percentage of the 176 total was guys I counted more than once being they bar hopped too. The 176 figure means the average customer count for 10bars was about 18 guys each bar at any given time. I think I did this on a Friday too BTW. It would be interesting to see kalihi in comparasin for anyone crazy like me. Any math wizzes and anylst types out there? I did this crazy thing twice BTW and had same approx numbers both times. BTW, you can sort of tell the new to kbar or infrequent bargoers because their faces don't look familiar. Actually, don't know what to make of this data or if its worth speculating about but I thought I'd share it anyway. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Hehe. Oldee, I dunno what your trying to accomplish with this headcount thing. The new guys must be the guys who read on the forum and thought about check-in out the KB. Grab a beer, look around for something exciting. Bored, hit another bar.

However, I still enjoy reading what you wrote though. Hehe.

1) If you go to a nightclub, buy a girl a drink, she sits by you, she put her hand on your shoulder, she converses with you, bruddah you get real good chance fo take them home. Girl's go to nightclubs with the idea of a possible hookup. Good choice, neva waste gas driving to that store. Motto: shop where you know the product is available.

2) If you go to a local bar, buy a girl a drink, she sits by you, she put her hand on your shoulder, she converses with you, bruddah you get real good chance fo take them home. Girl's go to local bars with the idea of a possible hookup. Good choice, neva waste gas driving to that store. Motto: shop where you know the product is available.

3) If you go to a speed dating event, buy a girl a drink, she sits by you, she put her hand on your shoulder, she converses with you, bruddah you get real good chance fo take them home. Girl's go to speed dating events with the idea of a possible hookup. Good choice, neva waste gas driving to that store. Motto: shop where you know the product is available.

4) If you go to a church, buy a girl a drink, she sits by you, she put her hand on your shoulder, she converses with you, bruddah you get real good chance fo being arrested. Girl's go to church to get away from guys like you. Bad choice, time top off gas. Motto: don't shop where you know the product isn't available.

5) If you go to a korean bar, buy a girl a drink, she sits by you, she put her hand on your shoulder, she converses with you, bruddah you get real good chance fo go home alone and broke. Girl's go to kb's with the idea of a possible retirement. Pabo choice, gas stay on "E". Motto: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. And the more drinks you buy, the better she can make it sound. Bet I get more rainchecks than you.

Moral: Your big brain, no leave home without it. This store good at bait and switch.

[QUOTE=Oldee;1195085]Any math wizzes and anylst types out there? I did this crazy thing twice BTW and had same approx numbers both times. BTW, you can sort of tell the new to kbar or infrequent bargoers because their faces don't look familiar. Actually, don't know what to make of this data or if its worth speculating about but I thought I'd share it anyway. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Kapalua was good at math; he once posted some examples of computing probabilities. Taking into account Uki's comments about how guys come and go at varied rates, I'd imagine the attendance levels at the bars to be in a state of flux as the night progresses, whether the increments are hours (probably too big an increment) or minutes.

From a visual standpoint, I'd imagine a realtime bargraph like the kind on your computer or stereo EQ (one bar stack per establishment) to fluctuate up and down. But you're right, overall attendance and volume on girls' drinks are much lower than years ago. Like you guys say, too many options out there.

"You'll still have a totally income dependent korean on your hands who's a dead log in bed, but you won't have a bar-corrupted psycho who says,"so what you going buy me", everytime you horny."

The best line ever, especially "who's a dead log in bed"

[QUOTE=Iliketowatch; 1195063]Why are they (kbg) here:

Tourist Visa: She's not going to give it up. She is here on vacation, staying at mamas for free, and just making a few bucks to buy her "show off" wares to brag to her friends when she get back to the homeland. She is not desperate enough to give in to her closed-leg korean morals. It's a vacation and sex is work. They usually run in groups. Hard to break the group up. And threesomes are as taboo for them as having a meal without kimchee.

Illegal Alien: Desperate to not get caught. High % for giving it up (down side) for marriage in return. Usually gets advise from a korean lawyer as to how to keep the upper hand legally in an "illegal" marriage. Highest risk for turning you in or revolting (as show of power) , when her back is against the wall or doesn't get her way. Usually the older kbg. The young ones don't go the illegal route. Ticking time bomb if you ever should get involved for more than bar play.

Previously married to a USA citizen (usually military man) : Usually divorced. Has some sort of USA citiizenship. Kid living somewhere in the states. Psycho from being tricked into marriage and now having baggage to raise. Sex is the last thing she will indulge in. That's what got her in this pickle, in the first place. Men are sh*t. If she does give it up, it will be for a set fee. Sex for sale only. The price? Maybe she'll tell you after her good luck drink.

Green card marriage: Usually the least stressed. Thinks everything is peachy. Evident because she's here for more than 3 months straight. Will not give it up. She does not want to make waves with her "husband". She needs to convince him, he's the only one for her (at least for 3 years). Biggest tease. Always has ass kissing husband to fall back to if her game falls thru with you.

Student Visa: Hardest one to figure out. But most likely to lose her korean morals. The two sub-categories are: 1) Here because they really want an education or 2) here faking going to school just to avoid the 3 month limit on tourist visas. The education one, needs cash, can't legally have a job on the SV, so bar cash is the way to go. The more school driven, the least likely they will give in. School 1st, money 2nd, relationship / sex distance last. The "I'm free from the homeland" fake student, best chance for play. Non-conformist. Usually seen with the "nasty boys". Normal "middleclass" customers have no chance. You need an edge to make her click. Buck the system and she could be yours. Biggest downfall may be non-coforming life. She doesn't have to have sex just because she is your girl. That would be too conforming.

Just my generalizations, of watching for years. There are others, but these are the most common.

I know this is FBI profiling, but use what you can and trash the rest. You'll be more surprised than disappointed.

Your best bet, snag them away from the bar on their 1st night before they become corrupted. You'll still have a totally income dependent korean on your hands who's a dead log in bed, but you won't have a bar-corrupted psycho who says,"so what you going buy me", everytime you horny.

YMMV, but you still got to pay $20 nekos for gas. So make the tank stretch as far as you can. I'm having a find the needle in the haystack event this weekend. Camelot. Word is they have more than 30 girls working now.

Post per private request."O"[/QUOTE]Thanks for your post. Good info to apply in your own strategies guys. Knowing their motivations is essential for successful dealings with kbgirls whatever your goals are.

[QUOTE=Iliketowatch; 1195063]Why are they (kbg) here:

Tourist Visa: She's not going to give it up. She is here on vacation, staying at mamas for free, and just making a few bucks to buy her "show off" wares to brag to her friends when she get back to the homeland. She is not desperate enough to give in to her closed-leg korean morals. It's a vacation and sex is work. They usually run in groups. Hard to break the group up. And threesomes are as taboo for them as having a meal without kimchee.

Illegal Alien: Desperate to not get caught. High % for giving it up (down side) for marriage in return. Usually gets advise from a korean lawyer as to how to keep the upper hand legally in an "illegal" marriage. Highest risk for turning you in or revolting (as show of power) , when her back is against the wall or doesn't get her way. Usually the older kbg. The young ones don't go the illegal route. Ticking time bomb if you ever should get involved for more than bar play.

Previously married to a USA citizen (usually military man) : Usually divorced. Has some sort of USA citiizenship. Kid living somewhere in the states. Psycho from being tricked into marriage and now having baggage to raise. Sex is the last thing she will indulge in. That's what got her in this pickle, in the first place. Men are sh*t. If she does give it up, it will be for a set fee. Sex for sale only. The price? Maybe she'll tell you after her good luck drink.

Green card marriage: Usually the least stressed. Thinks everything is peachy. Evident because she's here for more than 3 months straight. Will not give it up. She does not want to make waves with her "husband". She needs to convince him, he's the only one for her (at least for 3 years). Biggest tease. Always has ass kissing husband to fall back to if her game falls thru with you.

Student Visa: Hardest one to figure out. But most likely to lose her korean morals. The two sub-categories are: 1) Here because they really want an education or 2) here faking going to school just to avoid the 3 month limit on tourist visas. The education one, needs cash, can't legally have a job on the SV, so bar cash is the way to go. The more school driven, the least likely they will give in. School 1st, money 2nd, relationship / sex distance last. The "I'm free from the homeland" fake student, best chance for play. Non-conformist. Usually seen with the "nasty boys". Normal "middleclass" customers have no chance. You need an edge to make her click. Buck the system and she could be yours. Biggest downfall may be non-coforming life. She doesn't have to have sex just because she is your girl. That would be too conforming.

Just my generalizations, of watching for years. There are others, but these are the most common.

I know this is FBI profiling, but use what you can and trash the rest. You'll be more surprised than disappointed.

Your best bet, snag them away from the bar on their 1st night before they become corrupted. You'll still have a totally income dependent korean on your hands who's a dead log in bed, but you won't have a bar-corrupted psycho who says,"so what you going buy me", everytime you horny.

YMMV, but you still got to pay $20 nekos for gas. So make the tank stretch as far as you can. I'm having a find the needle in the haystack event this weekend. Camelot. Word is they have more than 30 girls working now.

Post per private request."O"[/QUOTE]That is an excellent assessment of the KBG immigration status. What about the CBG and VBG status? Mongolians usually have green cards or are US citizens.

[QUOTE=John Ross;1195246]That is an excellent assessment of the KBG immigration status. What about the CBG and VBG status? Mongolians usually have green cards or are US citizens.[/QUOTE]Not qualified to comment on these two groups. Sorry. Personal preference. Like the japanese teeth thing, the vietnamese voice is a turn off for my tastes. Did have Chinese though, and even Chinese take out, but mongolian beef was never on my menu, so far. Maybe I'm missing out, but it's just me.

[QUOTE=Iliketowatch;1194947]Bruddah Guy, I get good and bad news for you. The good news is you have the right attitude for free sex. No buy drinks and just poke them. When a kbg comes to ask you for a drink, just say no thanks, but you like go home with me and get it on? You'll get a yes or no response. No games, just results. The bad news is the results will probably be no. The kbg's are not working so they can have sex. That's why you read about all the hoops the guys go thru to try and "win" them over. That's the kbg game. There are the ones that will give to you BUT they are the ones that will expect full payment. Not what you are seeking. That's why you read about guys liking it to vegas. You know anywhere in vegas where I can hit the jackpot without dolling out a lot of cash? Same game. Low percentages and almost non-existent. The success stories you hear in the kbg's and vegas are jaded because you don't hear about all the failures. If vegas were to have a picture taking session after everyone lost money, all you would hear and see are flashbulbs and shutter clicks. When someone hits a slot jackpot, no one pays attention to the amount of cash they actually fed in, to win the dough. Usually a losing tally. Similar to the AMPs. One hour of fun, jackpot, then you are out $200. Looking for another slot (literally). The kb's are a sick game. The current business model (as I've stated before) , is based on the guy who wants his fantasy fulfilled. And sex is not part of his fantasy. It's companionship, ego-satisfying, close proximity, conversation, with a "high visual standard" of a girl he would never have the chance to experience in the "outside kb" world. The best way to explain this is, the victoria secrets commercials. The girls all look hot, the women of the world all want to look that hot, so they buy the skimpy wear so they can be hot and sexy too. How many women do you think, look as good as these models in a thong and push up? A very small percentage. Local betty once told me she order from VS online. Is that vomit I taste in my mouth? But they all buy it for the fantasy. They get tricked into the hype. If you wear it then you will become sexy too. If you sit with a sexy kbg, you may get (insert your fanatsy word here) , disclaimer: words you cannot use: sex, play, richer, or the truth. It's hype, a fantasy, a scam. The kbg's are not for you. That's more good news![/QUOTE]I know get guys frustrated with BGs and their games but, I'm with Oldee on having his own games. Most guys can't deal with all the BS from BGs. They don't have the time and patience for it. But, I find it entertaining. Heh, bring on the silly games. I find it funny actually. When they try use a certain tactic, I'm like: "Aww. How cute, she trying to use her tactic on me" Like, they think I'm just a typical chump whose going to get suckered easily. Then, you start messing with her mind. Throw her off, make her confused. It's all in good fun though. When you having fun and bringing fun to the table, the BGs tricks don't always work. Scold a BG, tease her, be stupid, act dumb, cut her down hehe. Oh, don't forget the playful pervertedness to. Most guys wouldn't dare do this because they feel they'll offend her. Heh, too busy trying to be a gentleman. Boo! Boring. If you are comfortable with yourself and confident, you can. Funny seeing their facial expressions. You have the control. Can get a hard on from this. After this, hit an AMP (A Magnificent Place) Muahahaha

[QUOTE=Uki Eater;1195263]I know get guys frustrated with BGs and their games but, I'm with Oldee on having his own games. Most guys can't deal with all the BS from BGs. They don't have the time and patience for it. But, I find it entertaining. Heh, bring on the silly games. I find it funny actually. When they try use a certain tactic, I'm like: "Aww. How cute, she trying to use her tactic on me" Like, they think I'm just a typical chump whose going to get suckered easily. Then, you start messing with her mind. Throw her off, make her confused. It's all in good fun though. When you having fun and bringing fun to the table, the BGs tricks don't always work. Scold a BG, tease her, be stupid, act dumb, cut her down hehe. Oh, don't forget the playful pervertedness to. Most guys wouldn't dare do this because they feel they'll offend her. Heh, too busy trying to be a gentleman. Boo! Boring. If you are comfortable with yourself and confident, you can. Funny seeing their facial expressions. You have the control. Can get a hard on from this. After this, hit an AMP (A Magnificent Place) Muahahaha[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you although it may sound like this statement is totally opposite from what I preach. I do play the tease, mess-with, sex talk, game with kbg's for entertainment, but I always say to my self later, I "personally" got to be pretty sick if this is what I've come to enjoy. Lowering myself to her standards just to get a rise from her. But then the next time, I do it again. Kaneohe here I come! Perverted sex addict left wing. No forget to visit me and give me the bar scoops. Hard to watch the happenings from one cell. Hope they get kochi jang.

[QUOTE=Uki Eater; 1195113]Hehe. Oldee, I dunno what your trying to accomplish with this headcount thing. The new guys must be the guys who read on the forum and thought about check-in out the KB. Grab a beer, look around for something exciting. Bored, hit another bar.

However, I still enjoy reading what you wrote though. Hehe. [/QUOTE]Thanks Uki bro. I was just trying to figure out IF we could SOMEHOW use the data to our advantage in the pursuit of kbg pussy. Maybe not, but thats how fisherman think sometimes. We often study seemingly unrelated stuff that really are sometimes. Bananas on the boat, ti leaves, offerings to the spirits etc. Yeah, we kinda strange sometimes, just like bargoers, hehe. We study the moon, tides, current, wind, seasons and a million other stuff in the pursuit of our prey. Knowing what they like to eat, when, where and any other behavoirs are important to us. We make our own fishing rigs and sometimes 'lures'. Fisherman are very observant and inventive. Its no coincidance ILTW and I relate, we are both fisherman. We fish for pussy at the kbars too. Its a fun HOBBY. Nothing like eating the fish you caught, so ono! Sure I like store bought (AMPs) and much cheaper most times cause fishing equiptment (NEKOS) can be VERY expensive and no guarantee you will catch anything. I'm just laughing to myself Uki, cause next time you and some guys go bar, you going count customer heads for some reason you don't know, LOL.

Checked out Evergreen, same old thing, bar busy, girls just sitting around. Just out of curiosity I asked one girl about the room rates and found that they have added a $50 service charge. Never been in the room when Miki mama was there but this sounds like a rip off to me. Lucky I'm not a room guy.

Butterfly has two new old bartenders working Sun, Mon, and Tues, nights, faces look familiar but wasn't interested in their names.

Maya's old building on Sheridan St. Has the electricity and signs turned back on. Possible reopening?

[QUOTE=Jj6969;1195314]Maya's old building on Sheridan St. Has the electricity and signs turned back on. Possible reopening?[/QUOTE]Heard that someone was going to open there but my source could not give me details. Source has not been 100% reliable in the past, but is plugged in to the grapevine, so evaluate the data accordingly.

Although I enjoy reading all the commentary, statistics, and general philosphizing, I prefer that they be in some other thread. I look for this thread for reports on KBs. Mongers' experiences, and what's happening in specific bars and with specific kbgs. Is it only me? My mind is too compartmentalized. Reports here. Commentary someplace else. Never mind. Carry on. It's just that I no like wade through all the commentary just to find the mongering reports.