Korean Bar Reports

[QUOTE=Oldee;1192538]Not all or even most J bars have table charge. This is from my experience past and present and not ' I heard' from info. I don't know about your experience with J bars but thats mine. Of course not all got much to offer women wise either, hehe. If guys thought had $50 table charge 'normally', they might not venture into interesting j bars like Aoyama for example.[/QUOTE]As I mentioned earlier thats why mainly high rollers only venture the Jbars. After hearing reports I do plan on checking out Aoyama as I have a feeling its not a typical Jbar. The only one I experienced was La Vien Rose but saw a couple in Waikiki. I take that back, before Michelles was a supposedly a Jbar and they had no fee. But I had my doubts it was a true Jbar as I saw a couple of non-japanese working. I heard in the past a lot of the Jbars in Waikiki operated the same. Of course perhaps today it might be different as the bar industry in all is struggling.

[QUOTE=Blade82;1192812]As I mentioned earlier thats why mainly high rollers only venture the Jbars. After hearing reports I do plan on checking out Aoyama as I have a feeling its not a typical Jbar. The only one I experienced was La Vien Rose but saw a couple in Waikiki. I take that back, before Michelles was a supposedly a Jbar and they had no fee. But I had my doubts it was a true Jbar as I saw a couple of non-japanese working. I heard in the past a lot of the Jbars in Waikiki operated the same. Of course perhaps today it might be different as the bar industry in all is struggling.[/QUOTE]Four years ago I asked a girl at LVER what the table charge was, and she didn't want to disclose it, only saying that it was expensive. Prior to that, other girls at other bars also declined to say.

Maybe these days, it is different. Will have to try. Maybe the password is "Uki".

I think it is code for not inviting others (exception K) into the room environment. It is expensive! Really?

When one walks towards the restroom in the back, their eyes light up. Concerned about what one might see?

With so many at it. It must be affortable to some degree.

I see so many Ks in the rooms.

[QUOTE=H Mobius; 1192841]Four years ago I asked a girl at LVER what the table charge was, and she didn't want to disclose it, only saying that it was expensive. Prior to that, other girls at other bars also declined to say.

Maybe these days, it is different. Will have to try. Maybe the password is "Uki". [/QUOTE]

Just a couple of cents. J-Bars = $$$. I used to help a few business men out by driving them to J-Bars. They'd give me 4grand for the 4 of them. I was the money holder. All of them took the girls home. The thing was a total business write off. Most of us ain't in the same league (lucky if you are).

K-bars. I would think no matter what your motivation and no matter how many pontifications we have to read, the point of this forum is to gain knowledge about how much play is available with various KBG's and at what cost. Once I see a report about some KBG who allows various activities it helps me read her faster. Am I getting the same service, am I getting more or less play than the posted report, it helps determine how much I'm going to spend to get to my ultimate goal (whatever that may be). And I do thank all who give such reports. I hope I have contributed towards your own decisions to buy a drinkee or not.

So on to the business at hand before this becomes too much of just another opinion or tutorial from just another bar guy. Remember this is my experience. YMMV.

Evergreen: Maya's telling the girls to keep it clean now so this may be old news. Used to be lots of play under the Miki Manangement era.

Before: Sue. Play all the way but would cost $$ in the booth and $$$ in the back room. Ami (ame) $ for a booth HJ. Cindy figure FIV is about it unless you spend big bucks over a long period of time.

Carnival: Nani. If she likes you she'll hold on all night with a some quick drop down dick sucking.

Green Tea:Play all around in the booths. Generally HJ's at around $ or thereabouts.

Colorful: Sue plays but you really have to control the drink rate and the double-teaming with her partner Dianne. Yah just got to lay down the law.

Kools: Forgetaboutit unless you are into the "Undead".

Blue Sea: Grandma's on parade and all play. HJ in the booth around 4 drinks. Never gone upstairs.

Just a quick overview of some of my experiences. If you're getting more for less or if you're getting less for more then both types of reports, I would think, would be helpful to us all. I'll add more later.

Personally I'm finding the best deals at Misty's but that's for another forum.

Ss

Hello.

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I hear that napa will have a couple new girls working soon, and hope this gets the girls there now to be more "friendly" with me. Last time I was there, I sat with Tina, who had been gone for a few weeks. Get her when she is tipsy (or even when she is not) and she allows some decent roaming. From what I can gather, she might be worth putting in more time / money, but I really wanted to give Bebe a try. She's got a nice vibe about her. But last couple times I was there she was busy with K / J customers. I tried checking other posts for info, but doesn't seem to be any on her. Anyone out there know if she plays or at least lets your fingers roam?

Any info would be appreciated.

Mahalo

I can relate to ILTW's post because I experienced the same things in the old days. However. We can't go back to the past but maybe we can try to influence the present. I don't hate on anyone including the bargirls, but wouldn't it be nice if we all got more for our money whatever your wants are? I know alot of guys are satisfied with the current status quo but what if they knew things could be better in terms of whatever they into regarding the kb scene? I was pretty much satisfied with all the stores I shopped at till costco walmart etc. Came along. Its really hard now because the girls simply don't have to do much let alone put out, and they can ask for drinks sooner without fear of rejection. There is also much less competition for the guys that spend on the girls which is the majority of guys now. They can literally choose which ones to LET them buy their drinks among the many willing. However, I don't know of any guys including the high roller guys (some friends are) that didn't wish we could get more VALUE for our money. I don't begrudge the girls getting drinks and making money but sometimes its so fustrating and sad to see half the guys in the bar spending jacksons every 5-10 minutes while never touching the girls. Nothing against those guys too, but I just know they would be happy if they could make their $ go farther and last longer. Most guys go just for the bgirls company and nothing more, we all know that. Us horny go for sex guys are somewhat the minority because the majority is what the girls cater to. Those guys stuff should be talked about too here as its about sex with women, just might be mental fantasy type sex. (not making fun of) Which is fine, but I just wish guys was on the same page as far as getting value for our $. Kbar management are all on the same page and united in their general rules of the game and prices, which works against us, the every man for himself consumer. The divide and conquer business strategy works very well. Most bargoers don't read this site so I don't think we can change much. We can't possibly change the hundreds of eager spenders can we? However, we can help the new guy (or even vet) here and there in getting more play for less $, avoid being a bar bf, robbed, heartbroken etc. Why? Because it makes a difference to THAT GUY! As ILTW said, its good karma. I appreciate every poster including the ones I disagree with. Thanks guys. You made a difference with THIS GUY.

[QUOTE=Iliketowatch; 1190087]No torture intended, If I wanted to torture you, I would be saying, I'm quitting the kb's because I'm marrying the kbg I've been chasing and spending boku nekos on. She finally started to love me when she realized I reach the $900, 000 spent on her mark. She wants me to start a school for the kbg's to teach them how to become millionaires by conning the "too nice for their own good" local guys (watch out for the kbg named Kim Rewald). So spend up when you come to the bars because that might just be my wife (and me) you're supporting. Stupidity has it's place. Just look at me at the end of the bar. That's our place. I'd take the pabo guy who knows he's pabo over the guy who is pabo, but doesn't realize it. But if you need a refresher course, my auto biography,"there's a sucker born every minute" will be at a store near you soon. %'s from the profits of the book, to go to the research for the cure of blue balls.

By the way, business had a tall, sleek, Chinese girl there the other night. Chinese anyone? [/QUOTE]The posts by ILTW and Oldee are entertaining, educational, and priceless for mongers quest for sex in the local scene. ILTW especially made my day: I know I am pabo, but that makes me better than the guy who is pabo!

[QUOTE=Oldee;1193685]I can relate to ILTW's post because I experienced the same things in the old days. However. We can't go back to the past but maybe we can try to influence the present.[/QUOTE]Just my $0. 02, but what I have noticed, which is something that has been mentioned in previous posts on here and in other sections, is the following:

1. We as bargoers are taken advantage of only as much as we are willing to be taken advantage of (even if you think otherwise) ;

2. It doesn't matter if the kbg is a long time pro or a new girl, they think they have the superior bargaining position only because we allow them to (see number 1 above) ;

3. YMMV is not a reflection of your abilities, it is a reflection of the bg's ability to gauge how much and what kind of abuse (?) we will or will not take (see number 2 above) ;

4. Over the years, I have had more success with bgs if I keep my word and expect them to keep theirs;

5. Every once in a while, do the unexpected to keep them on their toes. This doesn't mean be an ass, and keep in mind that you should always try to keep your word (see number 4 above) ;

6. To most, if not all bgs, working in a bar is first and foremost about making money; making friends or becoming buddies with us is just another way of making it a little more comfortable / bearable while making that money.

7. Don't always be predictable (see number 5 above) , or they will know the best way to train you (see number 3. Above) to get what they want out of the deal (see number 6 above) ;

8. If a bg or mama pushes too hard, step aside (both figuratively and literally) and she will be the one to fall (figuratively and on occasion literally). What is the worst that can happen? It's not like they are going to throw you out of the place; and.

9. The best way to get what you want is to KNOW what it is you really want.

I hope this helps someone / anyone get whatever it is they are looking for. I know it has helped me.

[QUOTE]The law of supply and demand dictates that in an open economy (which the KB situtation is) it is the buyer, rather than the seller, who has the advantage.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Neukd; 1193534]Hello.

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I hear that napa will have a couple new girls working soon, and hope this gets the girls there now to be more "friendly" with me. Last time I was there, I sat with Tina, who had been gone for a few weeks. Get her when she is tipsy (or even when she is not) and she allows some decent roaming. From what I can gather, she might be worth putting in more time / money, but I really wanted to give Bebe a try. She's got a nice vibe about her. But last couple times I was there she was busy with K / J customers. I tried checking other posts for info, but doesn't seem to be any on her. Anyone out there know if she plays or at least lets your fingers roam?

Any info would be appreciated.

Mahalo[/QUOTE]Sorry can't help you with those two. Haven't had the pleasure. Napa's runs hot and cold. Some KBG's from the other bars will arrive after 2am to try and make a few more dollars. Not sure about your age preferences so tuff to recommend as I have a tendency to prefer older KBG's. Of note is the occasional appearance of a VBG. She'll play in the booth but it will cost you (like about a drink every 10 minutes). It is cheaper to make a deal to take her home in the long run. Figure $$$ for home full service. Maybe less if you catch her right. She'll quote a higher price initially. Just work it.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

SS

[QUOTE=Shipshape; 1193224]Remember this is my experience. YMMV.

Evergreen: Maya's telling the girls to keep it clean now so this may be old news. Used to be lots of play under the Miki Manangement era.

Before: Sue. Play all the way but would cost $$ in the booth and $$$ in the back room. Ami (ame) $ for a booth HJ. Cindy figure FIV is about it unless you spend big bucks over a long period of time.

Carnival: Nani. If she likes you she'll hold on all night with a some quick drop down dick sucking.

Green Tea:Play all around in the booths. Generally HJ's at around $ or thereabouts.

Colorful: Sue plays but you really have to control the drink rate and the double-teaming with her partner Dianne. Yah just got to lay down the law.

Kools: Forgetaboutit unless you are into the "Undead".

Blue Sea: Grandma's on parade and all play. HJ in the booth around 4 drinks. Never gone upstairs.

Just a quick overview of some of my experiences. If you're getting more for less or if you're getting less for more then both types of reports, I would think, would be helpful to us all. I'll add more later.

Personally I'm finding the best deals at Misty's but that's for another forum.

Ss[/QUOTE]Thanks SS, I or my friends pretty much have the same experiences with most of those play girls except for the ones past kalihi. I've gotten BBBJ from Jay for $.2 outside as upstairs $$ not worth it imo. I also got play from the non typical play bgirls but hesitant to say just in case I was one of the few lucky ones so they can I'd me. Didn't pay more than $ in each case because OTHER GUYS got them wasted drunk, I just took advantage, hehe. I aint no don juan, just prepared for opportunitys those times. I agree the v girls are usualy cheaper, can cut to the chase and just negociate price but nothing like getting play on the cheap when lucky sometimes from your non standard play girls, hehe.

[QUOTE=Oldee;1192538]Not all or even most J bars have table charge. This is from my experience past and present and not ' I heard' from info. I don't know about your experience with J bars but thats mine.[/QUOTE]I agee. LVER don't charge a table charge. I seen other guys sit at the table and not get charged. I sat at the sofa / table about 5 times already and never got charged a table fee. Also, only bought 1-2 drinks that's it. Whether it was with a BG sitting or without. But, my friend told me his friend who went to LVER 2 months ago and he got charged a table fee. I'm confused man. I don't want to ask them or else they might start charging LOL.

[QUOTE=Uki Eater;1194025]I agee. LVER don't charge a table charge. I seen other guys sit at the table and not get charged. I sat at the sofa / table about 5 times already and never got charged a table fee. Also, only bought 1-2 drinks that's it. Whether it was with a BG sitting or without. But, my friend told me his friend who went to LVER 2 months ago and he got charged a table fee. I'm confused man. I don't want to ask them or else they might start charging LOL.[/QUOTE]I used to wear nicer clothes to jbars, and was always told there's "a charge" to sit at a table, even at LVER. Maybe I should try going in my regular clothes and see what the girl says. Probably won't even talk to me :)

[QUOTE=Uki Eater;1194025]I agee. LVER don't charge a table charge. I seen other guys sit at the table and not get charged. I sat at the sofa / table about 5 times already and never got charged a table fee. Also, only bought 1-2 drinks that's it. Whether it was with a BG sitting or without. But, my friend told me his friend who went to LVER 2 months ago and he got charged a table fee. I'm confused man. I don't want to ask them or else they might start charging LOL.[/QUOTE]That's because you're the famous high rolla Ukister! Must be they deem its an honor for you to grace their establishment, LOL. It also might be other factors for table charge such as bargirl' s company and bottle services ordered, avabily at the bar and what not. Every J bar is different. I don't know but thats my guess. Could even be if they think they can get away with charging you w / o you complaining etc. I also wasnt charged table service and sat with a hot girl named Aya couple years ago. Other times just with my buddys. Its always dead when I look in nowdays so havnt been there in awhile.

[QUOTE=Neukd; 1193974]Just my $0. 02, but what I have noticed, which is something that has been mentioned in previous posts on here and in other sections, is the following:

1. We as bargoers are taken advantage of only as much as we are willing to be taken advantage of (even if you think otherwise) ;

2. It doesn't matter if the kbg is a long time pro or a new girl, they think they have the superior bargaining position only because we allow them to (see number 1 above) ;

3. YMMV is not a reflection of your abilities, it is a reflection of the bg's ability to gauge how much and what kind of abuse (?) we will or will not take (see number 2 above) ;

4. Over the years, I have had more success with bgs if I keep my word and expect them to keep theirs;

5. Every once in a while, do the unexpected to keep them on their toes. This doesn't mean be an ass, and keep in mind that you should always try to keep your word (see number 4 above) ;

6. To most, if not all bgs, working in a bar is first and foremost about making money; making friends or becoming buddies with us is just another way of making it a little more comfortable / bearable while making that money.

7. Don't always be predictable (see number 5 above) , or they will know the best way to train you (see number 3. Above) to get what they want out of the deal (see number 6 above) ;

8. If a bg or mama pushes too hard, step aside (both figuratively and literally) and she will be the one to fall (figuratively and on occasion literally). What is the worst that can happen? It's not like they are going to throw you out of the place; and.

9. The best way to get what you want is to KNOW what it is you really want.

I hope this helps someone / anyone get whatever it is they are looking for. I know it has helped me. [/QUOTE]Yours is the kind of post I like to read over and over.

[QUOTE=Asstro;1193946]The posts by ILTW and Oldee are entertaining, educational, and priceless for mongers quest for sex in the local scene. ILTW especially made my day: I know I am pabo, but that makes me better than the guy who is pabo![/QUOTE]Hey thanks Asstro bro! Big mahalos on that. I know we may seem off the wall, but the bottom line is for all of us to get MORE pussy while spending LESS and avoiding heartache and all the rest of the negative stuff. Humor can be a great teacher to see what you otherwise wouldn't, especially since there is no other bar culture like we have here in hawaii. The ugly guy get chance! LOL. BTW, your I KNOW I AM PABO polo shirt is ready. May you wear it proudly in the bars to show off to the other pabos