Streetwalker Reports

One thing I did a few months back was have a consultation with a lawyer who specializes in these types of cases just so that I could educate myself about how this works should I get popped. I think a lot of us out there, myself included, think we know more than we really do in this regard. What I was told was that female undercovers don't wear recording devices during stings. Because of this, he told me that a lot of lawyers highly-suspect that they use what he called "forceful techniques". Proving entrapment is very difficult and an officer's police report is usually golden in these matters. I asked the question regarding recording the interaction myself, he said that it's not a bad idea however it might not be admissable in court. So you roll the dice on that one. Each and every case is different, though, so that's one thing to keep in mind. The other thing is that in Seattle, the city almost never convicts anyone for this crime, instead they use it for educational purposes and put the alleged john into a program. After that, charges are usually dropped. But from what he said it's difficult to fight this charge.

Regarding the use of SWs as decoys, that never occurred to me to ask that question. He did say that SPD are usually quick and lazy (his words) about the process and don't put a lot of thought into it. They go out, quickly nab a handful of guys and go on with their other duties. So based upon that i'm not sure they'd spend the time recruiting SWs to work for them against johns. I'd think that if they did that, they'd go for higher targets such as pimps or traffickers. The charge of patronizing, or Sexual Exploitation as Seattle calls it, is one of the lowest misdemeanors one can catch, so they don't put much effort into it. That's just my thought on the matter though, so take that for what it is. Examining the arrest data yields that prior to 2019 they only had a handful of arrests for patronizing each year starting in 2016. In 2019 they had 86 arrests, and since then they've averaged just over 20 or so arrests each year. We're at 33 for this year. I'm not sure that finding SWs to work with them is worth the effort for those numbers when they can just nail a bunch of guys in a couple of hours.

Don't take my word for it, go get some legal advice yourself. You might ask better questions than I did. Just passing along what I learned.

[QUOTE=NewMonger972;6618467]How are people getting busted in these stings?

Is it always an undercover female officers posing as a SW that's getting people arrested? Maybe somebody can pull up the roster of all the female officers so people can know which to avoid.

Is it regular non LEO SW's working in cooperation with the police? Not sure if this is legal and the girls would have to wearing a mic for evidence. But since they dress with so little clothes, there's no way they could achieve this.

Don't you have to specifically mention sex / BJ to be arrested for soliciting? If you pull up to a girl and she asks if you want a date, and you say yes, then she just says $100 and nothing more, that's technically not against the law since no sexual act was solicited. I feel like mongers should secretly record the conversations and be careful with words just in case you encounter an undercover.

Or does anyone have a good way to sniff out undercover cops?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6617565]She works for me now.[/QUOTE]I sure hope you hired her as a secretary. If you mean works for you in the same profession you met in, you are not thinking straight. There are very high jail sentences connected to that type of employer. I know you feel you can handle yourself, you can't. Just trying drop some knowledge. The managers in this game are vicious. If one of them turns her and tells her to set you up, she will do it. Think this through.

[QUOTE=Colnago;6618751]The managers in this game are vicious. If one of them turns her and tells her to set you up, she will do it. Think this through.[/QUOTE]This is the part that is discouraging. We discussed this during our meet. I asked the provider why don't you just tell them to F off or get lost the way you would me like if I asked to go bare or something that you didn't appreciate.

She told me that if she makes eye contact with a guy trying to recruit her then he will just keep coming at her and keep bothering her and keep interacting with her and keep finding her and keep talking to her and keep looking at her and keep track of what she's doing and. You get the idea.

This is why they have issues and eventually do what one of these guy wants.

I'm trained to respect someone else's boundaries and these SWs and "managers" know this and take advantage and have similar outlooks on humanity with each other.

Really, a SW isn't going to file charges for harassment against a recruiter and these managers are okay being a cuckold when they get a part of the $ action.

[QUOTE=PDXFrosty;6618877]This is the part that is discouraging. We discussed this during our meet. I asked the provider why don't you just tell them to F off or get lost the way you would me like if I asked to go bare or something that you didn't appreciate.

She told me that if she makes eye contact with a guy trying to recruit her then he will just keep coming at her and keep bothering her and keep interacting with her and keep finding her and keep talking to her and keep looking at her and keep track of what she's doing and. You get the idea.

This is why they have issues and eventually do what one of these guy wants.

I'm trained to respect someone else's boundaries and these SWs and "managers" know this and take advantage and have similar outlooks on humanity with each other.

Really, a SW isn't going to file charges for harassment against a recruiter and these managers are okay being a cuckold when they get a part of the $ action.[/QUOTE]Many, many years ago (late 90's), I came across a pimp beating up one of his girls in Denny Park. I made the mistake of thinking I was going to stop it. Pimps are some ruthless motherfuckers (I guess you have to be if you want to make money at it). I didn't get hurt but he could have killed me if he wanted. Even the hooker, was looking at me like, "you done fucked up". I would not even consider messing with one again.

When begging for your life.. just remember, "it's Mr. Pimp, SIR."

Actually decided to go for a cruise later Thursday night for the first time in a while. Intent wasn't to meet anyone, just observe and see what was happening. Quite a few girls out, seemed to be hardly any traffic and it was almost eerily quiet on AA. Absolutely zero girls in the Lowe's lot nor 127th which to me was strange since the last time I went through that area there were several. Quite a few at 137th and at one point counted 10 girls all standing at an intersection in the 100 blocks across from Oaktree plaza and gabbing with each other. That was sort of funny because whenever a driver came through he or she had to swerve way over to get past all of the gabbing girls as they made no attempt to move out of the intersection. Some nice looking SWs out, not much in the way of men looking for a date it seemed. I drove up a side street toward Aurora and encountered two SWs, one larger brunette in a miniskirt and her very hot blonde friend, also in a very tight, short white mini. The brunette was immediately at my window and asked if I wanted two girls for $200. I declined that offer as only the blonde was to my liking and also I really don't like two SWs in my vehicle, I've had trouble with that scenario in the past and I was suspect of the low rate for two girls. Just seemed like a good scam scenario. Of course she then asked why I didn't want two girls and what was wrong with me as if I were less than a man for not wanting two chicks. That pissed me off so I told her that I wanted BB which I knew they weren't going to provide. They both immediately recoiled and turned away. I knew that would do the trick as it usually does when I'm trying to get away from an SW. I got stuck waiting for some traffic so I couldn't just hit the gas.

But other than that pretty empty. Felt like all the girls out there were just for me. I was about to call it quits and head home and while doing so went down another side street and encountered a nice spinner wearing a thong, great little body on her. She said she knew me and hopped right in, but I had no idea who she was. She said she remembered what I liked which was all bare service. She quoted a really high rate, like $400, I said "wow, I've never paid that much, ever. You have me confused with someone else" (which honestly, she did, i'd never ever seen her before). She then immediately and drastically dropped the rate. She said that it was more important to get the date and the money as it's been very slow out there lately. Apparently came up from Portland were police action has been crazy and she's not making any money. She was maybe 5' 2', very slender spinner, Latina, dark hair bundled-up onto the top of her head. She was very friendly, good service, I'm definitely doing that again. Not sure for how long she'll be here.

Regarding the action in Portland, she told me that there have been several john stings lately and apparently several girls were stung as well. A quick look of the Portland section seems to confirm some of this activity. Also, today I got a couple of texts from SWs I'd met who are working Portland and are coming up to Seattle this weekend. Both said they weren't coming back to Seattle when I'd met them previously because they said there is no money up here. So it seems as though the ladies are in a money crunch, might be a good time to get some goodies. One additional interesting note is that she also said that SWs are indeed attempting to self-regulate the scene against anyone requesting or performing anything BB. She's very quiet about it and won't agree to anything uncovered if other girls are around. When I asked what would happen if she did, she said she might be cornered and jumped by other girls. She also said they're attempting to track guys who ask for it, however that works. I certainly have noticed more hostility lately whenever I ask for it, but the funny part of all of this is that i'm also having a lot more luck finding it and with hot young SWs, too. Who knows, who cares, whatever. These bitches will never be able to control nor prevent anyone from doing anything.

I have went out cruising around noon for the past three days to see what's out there during the daylight hours. Boy have I been surprised to find almost absolutely nothing. Only a few girls each time I went out. I expected there to be more, esp because it was really a pretty fall day yesterday. Total waste of time. Will stick to only going up there at night. Too much traffic during the day makes it difficult anyways even if you see a girl that you like just to make a you-turn.

Any sighting of Barbie lately? No matter how cold or wet she will be in skirt with no pantyhose. If you drive close enough you can see goosebumps.

They're not going to use SWs, but they'll often do stings as an interagency effort. So even if you did somehow memorize the faces of every female cop in SPD, that might not help you.

I also definitely wouldn't rely on semantics to save you. As long as money is mentioned, the solicitation of sex part doesn't need to be explicit. Courts that deal with this have heard every euphemism you can think of and a thousand more. If you were willing to go the distance and fight the charges right down to a jury trial, then maaaybe those technicalities could help down the line. But as far as in the sting, if there's any mention of money at all they are going to put you in cuffs and let the legal system sort it out later, in which case your day / night is ruined in a hurry anyway. They know that the vast majority of guys are going to plead into their john diversion program anyway.

[QUOTE=NewMonger972;6618467]How are people getting busted in these stings?

Is it always an undercover female officers posing as a SW that's getting people arrested? Maybe somebody can pull up the roster of all the female officers so people can know which to avoid.

Is it regular non LEO SW's working in cooperation with the police? Not sure if this is legal and the girls would have to wearing a mic for evidence. But since they dress with so little clothes, there's no way they could achieve this.

Don't you have to specifically mention sex / BJ to be arrested for soliciting? If you pull up to a girl and she asks if you want a date, and you say yes, then she just says $100 and nothing more, that's technically not against the law since no sexual act was solicited. I feel like mongers should secretly record the conversations and be careful with words just in case you encounter an undercover.

Or does anyone have a good way to sniff out undercover cops?[/QUOTE]

Just a heads up. There was a prostitution sting operation in the KK parking lot on Sept 28th. They arrested 5 johns in the early evening.

I'm just going to reiterate here, the ONLY spot in which SPD have done stings this year is in the KK / Lowe's lot. According to the arrest data which I have, In prior years they'd vary their locations (usually 135th area or the 100 blocks), but not this year. I'm going to repeat this until you're all sick to death of it, but [I]stay the fuck out of that lot[/I]. Once you're in that lot undercovers will approach you, not always the other way around, and once they engage and mention money, you're hosed. I don't care if you believe that it's entrapment, let me tell you they're doing it, and there's no recourse for getting out of it once you're engaged. Just stay the fuck out of there.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6624971]Just a heads up. There was a prostitution sting operation in the KK parking lot on Sept 28th. They arrested 5 johns in the early evening.[/QUOTE]I did find a story about a sting on 6/28 that netted 7. Does anyone have the story from 9/28?

In addition to all of that, here's an interesting piece:

[URL]https://www.kuow.org/stories/two-teenagers-arrested-in-seattle-human-trafficking-case[/URL]

Of course, NPR may be considered bias, but some of the content seems believable about the pimp, Lexo, the 17 and 19 year old suspects and the 18 year old victim from Texas who just happens to have her Dad living in Seattle. CT must have been her trainer.

(Meant to post in Rants, Raves, and Stupid Shit) (oops)

[QUOTE=PDXFrosty;6626438]I did find a story about a sting on 6/28 that netted 7.[/QUOTE]There is no story. This comes from SPD's crime dashboard. They don't do media shit for there stings. Why don't know. You think if they really wanted to deter John's from going out there they would send out a press release to the media every sting and brag about the guys they busted. They don't though. It's a money making operation for them.

They actually did do a press release for the sting on very late June. They patted themselves on the back for going after trafficking after busting seven johns. Meanwhile, SWs still walk and work Aurora three months later.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6626454]There is no story. This comes from SPD's crime dashboard. They don't do media shit for there stings. Why don't know. You think if they really wanted to deter John's from going out there they would send out a press release to the media every sting and brag about the guys they busted. They don't though. It's a money making operation for them.[/QUOTE]

A few nights ago around midnight I decided to do an actual cruise like I used to do since I haven't been out there much lately. Most of the girls were on the large to flat-out fat side. There were quite a few out, just not any to my liking at all. I talked to none of them, though a few were pretty aggressive whenever I pulled-up to a corner, knocking at my window and peering in at me. Absolutely zero of the girls appealed to me on that night. I've really about had it with Aurora anyway these past few months, honestly. I've only been seeing regulars and even that's something in which I'm interested less often these days.

[QUOTE=Hoballer;6628896]A few nights ago around midnight I decided to do an actual cruise like I used to do since I haven't been out there much lately. Most of the girls were on the large to flat-out fat side. There were quite a few out, just not any to my liking at all. I talked to none of them, though a few were pretty aggressive whenever I pulled-up to a corner, knocking at my window and peering in at me. Absolutely zero of the girls appealed to me on that night. I've really about had it with Aurora anyway these past few months, honestly. I've only been seeing regulars and even that's something in which I'm interested less often these days.[/QUOTE]Typical Seattle women. I bet they had a hairy smelly Bush tho!