"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4617317]Oh my God, this is 500% true. To a tee, with the exception of one girl who was totally normal, just liked money and sex, and was going to community college and lived with her parents who were both still together, 100% of the best girls I've ever been with in this hobby have been adopted.

If a girl is in this game and it's not for drug money, there is a very, very high chance she's adopted, and a neat little ball of abandonment and daddy issues which somehow makes them awesome SBs when you manage them well.

The flip side of this coin is that if you're thinking of being a good samaritan and adopting, don't adopt a girl. I've personal experience (not directly, but family) and had long term relationships with adopted SBs and have seen and heard the stories of what happens and what they do to their adoptive family. They'll ruin your life and drain you broke. Just don't do it.[/QUOTE]As morbid as this sounds, girls who's father died or abandoned the family when they were kids / teens also seem to be guaranteed freaks. Any girl I knew in college who's father had died was a total.

[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd;4616618]I guarantee most SB's don't realize the ratio of them to us is almost 5:1. They have the demand and we have the supply, so don't overpay![/QUOTE]Great point. VCU and the surrounding community colleges provide plenty of supply and will hopefully take care of any GPS issues.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ca75d3ae-e045-417a-a863-be9c67dccd5f[/URL]

Does this one seem tempting to anyone?

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4617728][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ca75d3ae-e045-417a-a863-be9c67dccd5f[/URL]

Does this one seem tempting to anyone?[/QUOTE]Please, please Ebob, TOFTT and report back.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/369df8b4-ea0b-4a1e-9eed-69aeaaad9228[/URL]

Profile reads like GPS, but in person she is a sweetheart, and as fun as they come. Down to earth personality, amazing body, and really loves sex. Really.

M&G first, then right to FC (hotel, she will not host). BBBJ, CFS, MSOG possible. I know this one is more than what some of you like to pay, but sometimes if you want genuine fun and a quality personality, maybe it's worth it. For me, anyway. Seen her twice, will repeat. Damage was $$ + hotel.

[QUOTE=ArtImperial;4618235][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/369df8b4-ea0b-4a1e-9eed-69aeaaad9228[/URL]

Profile reads like GPS, but in person she is a sweetheart, and as fun as they come. Down to earth personality, amazing body, and really loves sex. Really.

M&G first, then right to FC (hotel, she will not host). BBBJ, CFS, MSOG possible. I know this one is more than what some of you like to pay, but sometimes if you want genuine fun and a quality personality, maybe it's worth it. For me, anyway. Seen her twice, will repeat. Damage was $$ + hotel.[/QUOTE]I've seen her before and I'm hoping to get with her again, soon. She's a Great time!

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4617728][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ca75d3ae-e045-417a-a863-be9c67dccd5f[/URL]

Does this one seem tempting to anyone?[/QUOTE]I'm just mad that I can't unsee that!

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4617728][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ca75d3ae-e045-417a-a863-be9c67dccd5f[/URL]

Does this one seem tempting to anyone?[/QUOTE]Well that's a dude.

Correcting my post. Damage was 4 $ + hotel. Don't want to give anyone the wrong idea.

[QUOTE=ArtImperial;4618235][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/369df8b4-ea0b-4a1e-9eed-69aeaaad9228[/URL]

Profile reads like GPS, but in person she is a sweetheart, and as fun as they come. Down to earth personality, amazing body, and really loves sex. Really.

M&G first, then right to FC (hotel, she will not host). BBBJ, CFS, MSOG possible. I know this one is more than what some of you like to pay, but sometimes if you want genuine fun and a quality personality, maybe it's worth it. For me, anyway. Seen her twice, will repeat. Damage was $$ + hotel.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/18b873aa-5d65-4b34-94a1-cedca88d252f[/URL]

I chatted with her months ago until she told me she was looking for $3 k a month. When I countered with 300 ppm she never responded, but she's still regularly online so I'm assuming she hasn't found the big fish yet.

I think a lot of them think it means that they will fuck you but they won't be in a romantic relationship with you, so don't be deterred by that word!

Wow! I'm really at a loss for words.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4617728][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ca75d3ae-e045-417a-a863-be9c67dccd5f[/URL]

Does this one seem tempting to anyone?[/QUOTE]

Maybe others have better luck but figure I share and save someone some time:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6bf0367c-3543-46bb-a07a-5c380c1db040[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e88f66c3-6219-430c-9d4b-9bf3a1b2bfe5[/URL]

Here is another online only.

https://www.seeking.com/member/cba5503c-1f5e-487f-b40f-4bdb0f89fe18

I recently learned that online only is a reportable as a violation of SAs terms. I just report them and check the right boxes when they say they are online only. We need to eradicate this illness from SA.

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4621497]Maybe others have better luck but figure I share and save someone some time:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6bf0367c-3543-46bb-a07a-5c380c1db040[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e88f66c3-6219-430c-9d4b-9bf3a1b2bfe5[/URL][/QUOTE]

I've asked several with the platonic tag and a contradiction like monogamous or NSA or mutually beneficial in their profile to explain. Some will say the SD benefits because they get to have dinner with a beautiful woman, others have said they are open to platonic, but are open to other arrangements as well.

I explain to platonic girls that short of mental and physical health issues, no man would be satisfied with a platonic Sugar relationship. Several then ask what I'm looking for and off we go. LOL.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4619623]I think a lot of them think it means that they will fuck you but they won't be in a romantic relationship with you, so don't be deterred by that word![/QUOTE]

Hey all! Does anyone have info on this lady? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2e2583ef-93fa-4653-a76b-a35345606401[/URL].

I am chatting with her and ready to set a meet and greet but am getting the feeling she is going to ask for a deposit sight unseen. To prove that I am serious. She hasnt yet but the conversation feels that way and I have had a few pull that BS at the last minute.

Any info is appreciated!

Thanks and be safe!

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4619623]I think a lot of them think it means that they will fuck you but they won't be in a romantic relationship with you, so don't be deterred by that word![/QUOTE]I have talked to girls who are hoping to find a guy that will pay them just to hang out or look good on a date. And unfortunately for the rest of us, there are some guys who will do that.

I have talked to a bi pair of girls in Harisonburg that say they are looking for platonic but as the conversation went I found that means BBBJ and CFS but no kissing because they are in a relationship with each other. Seriously thinking about making a road trip. They are both early 20's and 1 is Asian. IDK what their $ expectation is yet. They have since dropped the platonic thing from their profile. Anyone have any info? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e71f2dc1-4a86-46c1-ac54-e170e84e40c5[/URL].

And I met a 20 yo a couple years ago that stated platonic in her profile and when we first started chatting bc she had a bf but then after a few weeks of texting said she might be interested and then broke up with her bf and I banged the fuck out of her that night.

You really never know until you spend some time. That is the nature of the Bowl.

Be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;4622751]Hey all! Does anyone have info on this lady? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2e2583ef-93fa-4653-a76b-a35345606401[/URL].

I am chatting with her and ready to set a meet and greet but am getting the feeling she is going to ask for a deposit sight unseen. To prove that I am serious. She hasnt yet but the conversation feels that way and I have had a few pull that BS at the last minute.

Any info is appreciated!

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE]Good Lord that ass.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4622768]I have talked to girls who are hoping to find a guy that will pay them just to hang out or look good on a date. And unfortunately for the rest of us, there are some guys who will do that.

[/QUOTE]Like a SB I saw recently. She tells me she's had only one SD before and that they only smoked weed and talked and stuff but never had sex during their couple of months of hanging out. A bit further in the conversation I asked how many times they had sex during their arrangement. 'About once a week' she answered.

Platonic my ass. She'll tell you what she thinks she can get away with. Keep pressing and let her know you're not a fool and the truth might come out.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4623090]Like a SB I saw recently. She tells me she's had only one SD before and that they only smoked weed and talked and stuff but never had sex during their couple of months of hanging out. A bit further in the conversation I asked how many times they had sex during their arrangement. 'About once a week' she answered.

Platonic my ass. She'll tell you what she thinks she can get away with. Keep pressing and let her know you're not a fool and the truth might come out.[/QUOTE]Truth is not usually the strong suit of these girls, especially when it comes to admitting to sexual activity. If you can make them feel rewarded for honesty, it can take time for them to open up, but its the default female behavior to say "oh I never had sex with him".

Also from their view, it's to their advantage to say they've had at least one SD before (even if they have had none or 50). They often believe if they frame their unrealistic expectations in a historic way (I. E. My former SD used to give me $600 a week), that it will hopefully create a target amount, even if it never happened.

Any info on this one? Says she's in the Richmond area. I feel like I've seen something posted on her before.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9a27e206-36a4-da5f-ecfe-4c7f7d5cd0f5[/URL]

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4623174]Truth is not usually the strong suit of these girls, especially when it comes to admitting to sexual activity. If you can make them feel rewarded for honesty, it can take time for them to open up, but its the default female behavior to say "oh I never had sex with him".

Also from their view, it's to their advantage to say they've had at least one SD before (even if they have had none or 50). They often believe if they frame their unrealistic expectations in a historic way (I. E. My former SD used to give me $600 a week), that it will hopefully create a target amount, even if it never happened.[/QUOTE]And we're paragons of truth? I have a whole fake life I present to these girls, to keep my real life safe. I don't have a big problem w / people doing what they need to do to keep themselves secure in this activity. That's why you should take a few steps to check out the truth. Use one of the people finder sites w / their phone #. Track down their social networks. You can't really use that info against them, but you can know what the truth is to keep yourself safe. She might have a regular BF / fiance. Wouldn't that be good to know?

[QUOTE=Dimples572;4622775]Good Lord that ass.[/QUOTE]No doubt!

Anyway, she still hasnt come out and asked for a deposit but said that she "needs me to prove I'm serious before we meet" so my guess is that is her deal.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4622751]Hey all! Does anyone have info on this lady? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2e2583ef-93fa-4653-a76b-a35345606401[/URL].

I am chatting with her and ready to set a meet and greet but am getting the feeling she is going to ask for a deposit sight unseen. To prove that I am serious. She hasnt yet but the conversation feels that way and I have had a few pull that BS at the last minute.

Any info is appreciated!

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE]I did a tin eye search on her photos because two of her pics didn't match up with the upclose face pic. One pic came up with 37 listings. She may be real but I don't know if you should expect that same body in person.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4623972]I did a tin eye search on her photos because two of her pics didn't match up with the upclose face pic. One pic came up with 37 listings. She may be real but I don't know if you should expect that same body in person.[/QUOTE]I thought at least 1 of the pics looked like it didn't match the others. I had forgotten Tin Eye. Thanks for the reminder.

Last message I got from her was "I've been ripped off, yada-yada-yada, need you to show me your serious before we meet. I haven't responded.

Thanks for the recon!

Be safe!

In my experience it doesn't matter if a SB has a BF, fiance or husband. I've had them all with no issues. A couple of examples. Late 30's, married with teen aged kids, hubby went to work at 9 pm. She would sneak out after he went to work and the teens were asleep to come over and fuck raw. Current SB, early 20's, BF drives her to a public parking lot where she jumps in my car. We fuck raw for a couple of hours. I take her back to the parking lot where BF is waiting to pick her up. If the girl is chill, non drama persona, comes across as genuine and honest and just looking for a buck, I'll bang an attached girl without concerns.

On the flip side of the coin. Met a POT SB for a drink. She's telling me about hubby who is in prison, she needs money, lives with her possessive and protective brother. I did not pursue the opportunity.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4623699] Track down their social networks. You can't really use that info against them, but you can know what the truth is to keep yourself safe. She might have a regular BF / fiance. Wouldn't that be good to know?[/QUOTE]

Burner phone info?? Thanks CM.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;4624472]Burner phone info?? Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]I like TracFone, I have posted details before. Use Google Voice or a texting app, though.

I started up with a 30-something year old SB about a month and a half ago. When we first started chatting she said she really wasn't looking for a monetary arrangement, just someone who she could spend quality time with and if I wanted to give her a gift from time to time she wouldn't be opposed to it. Over a month and a half we actually only ended up seeing each other four times. An initial meet, two trips to the FC, and one quick car date. At one point I paid for a trip to the hair salon, and I bought her some lingerie online and had it mailed to her house as a gift (big mistake). Last week she said she wanted a more traditional SB relationship so I asked what she had in mind. She said I should propose what I think she is worth once a week. I said that wasn't what she said she was looking for when we met and probably wasn't something I could afford, no hard feelings.

A week later this morning, she texts me that I used her and that she's going to mail the lingerie set along with texts and pics to the address on the shipping slip for my wife to see. Of course I texted back why would she want to try to ruins my children's lives over this, but no reply from her. She doesn't know my wife's name so I can certainly be on the lookout to head off any strange packages to my house but wondering if she's really serious or what else she has up her sleeve and what should I do or not to do try to prevent real damage.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4624969]I started up with a 30-something year old SB about a month and a half ago. When we first started chatting she said she really wasn't looking for a monetary arrangement, just someone who she could spend quality time with and if I wanted to give her a gift from time to time she wouldn't be opposed to it. Over a month and a half we actually only ended up seeing each other four times. An initial meet, two trips to the FC, and one quick car date. At one point I paid for a trip to the hair salon, and I bought her some lingerie online and had it mailed to her house as a gift (big mistake). Last week she said she wanted a more traditional SB relationship so I asked what she had in mind. She said I should propose what I think she is worth once a week. I said that wasn't what she said she was looking for when we met and probably wasn't something I could afford, no hard feelings.

A week later this morning, she texts me that I used her and that she's going to mail the lingerie set along with texts and pics to the address on the shipping slip for my wife to see. Of course I texted back why would she want to try to ruins my children's lives over this, but no reply from her. She doesn't know my wife's name so I can certainly be on the lookout to head off any strange packages to my house but wondering if she's really serious or what else she has up her sleeve and what should I do or not to do try to prevent real damage.[/QUOTE]Send her the laws on blackmail and extortion.

Threaten her. Do you know where she works? Her family?

You do know where she lives...

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4625095]Send her the laws on blackmail and extortion.

Threaten her. Do you know where she works? Her family?

You do know where she lives...[/QUOTE]I do know where she lives and works. The problem is I don't think what she's done so far is blackmail, she's not asking for anything in return just saying she's going to send evidence to my wife. She's clearly got a screw loose since this wasn't some long term thing with feelings involved. Also not sure if threatening her will make her go away or just make things worse.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4625095]Send her the laws on blackmail and extortion.

Threaten her. Do you know where she works? Her family?

You do know where she lives...[/QUOTE]If she has not asked for anything monetary to prevent this from happening, she has broken no law. Outing without the threat, is perfectly legal, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4625219]If she has not asked for anything monetary to prevent this from happening, she has broken no law. Outing without the threat, is perfectly legal, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]"Last week she said she wanted a more traditional SB relationship so I asked what she had in mind. She said I should propose what I think she is worth once a week. I said that wasn't what she said she was looking for when we met and probably wasn't something I could afford, no hard feelings.

She asked for money, was refused and is now threatening.

In any event, Once she is threatened and she will go away. If not with the law with other means. Just judging by the the OP, he's was treating her like they had some sort of relationship. Mailing her gifts? LOL. She picked up on him being naive and soft and assumes that will continue if she pressures him for money. If you meet them on Seeking you are just a mark. These girls a hookers, despite what some of the white knights on here want to believe. Hell, we are discussing them on "usasexguide" LOL.

We have the power in these relationships, always remember that. I do find it amusing that the victim here has frowned on me for my callous attitude towards these girls in his previous posts. Naivete seems to have cost him.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4625256]"Last week she said she wanted a more traditional SB relationship so I asked what she had in mind. She said I should propose what I think she is worth once a week. I said that wasn't what she said she was looking for when we met and probably wasn't something I could afford, no hard feelings.

She asked for money, was refused and is now threatening.

In any event, Once she is threatened and she will go away. If not with the law with other means. Just judging by the the OP, he's was treating her like they had some sort of relationship. Mailing her gifts? LOL. She picked up on him being naive and soft and assumes that will continue if she pressures him for money. If you meet them on Seeking you are just a mark. These girls a hookers, despite what some of the white knights on here want to believe. Hell, we are discussing them on "usasexguide" LOL.

We have the power in these relationships, always remember that. I do find it amusing that the victim here has frowned on me for my callous attitude towards these girls in his previous posts. Naivete seems to have cost him.[/QUOTE]While I concur with kevin, I think the guy who didn't give the girl any cash made an error.

To spare hard feelings, give a few bucks and adios honey.

Regardless what any female says she wants from us, she also wants money.

If she fucks and no complaints, good.

If she changes her tune and starts being unreasonable, throw money at her to shut up.

She of course is having remorse over not asking for money from the beginning.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4624969]I started up with a 30-something year old SB about a month and a half ago. When we first started chatting she said she really wasn't looking for a monetary arrangement, just someone who she could spend quality time with and if I wanted to give her a gift from time to time she wouldn't be opposed to it. Over a month and a half we actually only ended up seeing each other four times. An initial meet, two trips to the FC, and one quick car date. At one point I paid for a trip to the hair salon, and I bought her some lingerie online and had it mailed to her house as a gift (big mistake). Last week she said she wanted a more traditional SB relationship so I asked what she had in mind. She said I should propose what I think she is worth once a week. I said that wasn't what she said she was looking for when we met and probably wasn't something I could afford, no hard feelings.

A week later this morning, she texts me that I used her and that she's going to mail the lingerie set along with texts and pics to the address on the shipping slip for my wife to see. Of course I texted back why would she want to try to ruins my children's lives over this, but no reply from her. She doesn't know my wife's name so I can certainly be on the lookout to head off any strange packages to my house but wondering if she's really serious or what else she has up her sleeve and what should I do or not to do try to prevent real damage.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4625219]If she has not asked for anything monetary to prevent this from happening, she has broken no law. Outing without the threat, is perfectly legal, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4625256]"Last week she said she wanted a more traditional SB relationship so I asked what she had in mind. She said I should propose what I think she is worth once a week. I said that wasn't what she said she was looking for when we met and probably wasn't something I could afford, no hard feelings.

She asked for money, was refused and is now threatening.

In any event, Once she is threatened and she will go away. If not with the law with other means. Just judging by the the OP, he's was treating her like they had some sort of relationship. Mailing her gifts? LOL. She picked up on him being naive and soft and assumes that will continue if she pressures him for money. If you meet them on Seeking you are just a mark. These girls a hookers, despite what some of the white knights on here want to believe. Hell, we are discussing them on "usasexguide" LOL.

We have the power in these relationships, always remember that. I do find it amusing that the victim here has frowned on me for my callous attitude towards these girls in his previous posts. Naivete seems to have cost him.[/QUOTE]I agree. The OP sounds like he may be pretty much fucked if this chick decides to do him in. Personally, I wouldn't pay her a fucking dime, and if there's anything in her texts that even hints like extortion, I'd make sure she knows you'll be making use of it if necessary.

Bad decision sending gifts to her house and letting your info get exposed. Crazy.

So she finally did text me back with an "expense" that if I took care of she would feel that things are resolved. I paid it to make it go away, and at the very least have her in writing asking for money in exchange for not ruining my life so if she ends up fucking with me any more then extortion will be on the table. Hard lesson to learn.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4625669]So she finally did text me back with an "expense" that if I took care of she would feel that things are resolved. I paid it to make it go away, and at the very least have her in writing asking for money in exchange for not ruining my life so if she ends up fucking with me any more then extortion will be on the table. Hard lesson to learn.[/QUOTE]I had a SB try to extort me just about a year ago. Wanted an initial meet at a coffee shop. Met her in her car with what she wanted. She gave me her "address" to go from there to FC. When I got there and texted, then cam the extortion. Claimed she had my pic in her car, real name, license plate number, cop friend that would be coming to my door, etc. And would let wife know unless I gave her money $275 by end of day. After a few hours of threats I asked her for proof--a pic, license number, etc. If she could come up with anything, I would pay her. She got real pissy for the rest of the day. Never heard from her after that day. I have learned to discreetly take a pic of their car, their plate, and the girl coming into a hotel room or wherever I meet her.

Sadly, we probably all learn from experience.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4625669]So she finally did text me back with an "expense" that if I took care of she would feel that things are resolved. I paid it to make it go away, and at the very least have her in writing asking for money in exchange for not ruining my life so if she ends up fucking with me any more then extortion will be on the table. Hard lesson to learn.[/QUOTE]Is she still on SA? Can you provide a link? I'd just like to steer clear of this one.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4626403]Is she still on SA? Can you provide a link? I'd just like to steer clear of this one[/QUOTE]She deleted her profile soon after we met the first time, not spending much time on the site lately but if I see her pop up again I'll let you know.