Sooner or later they all do.
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;2873944]Always been a big fan of Anna's UTR, but after several recent bad experiences, she did something else that really pissed me off; so I'm done with her. I'm not posting specifics.[/QUOTE]
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Sooner or later they all do.
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;2873944]Always been a big fan of Anna's UTR, but after several recent bad experiences, she did something else that really pissed me off; so I'm done with her. I'm not posting specifics.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;2873944]Always been a big fan of Anna's UTR, but after several recent bad experiences, she did something else that really pissed me off; so I'm done with her. I'm not posting specifics.[/QUOTE]That's the inconsistent service I was referring to. I had that discussion with one of the MTs and she said some people would short on tips and she didn't appreciate that. She didn't know how to react to that with that client so she takes that out on the next one. Anyways, if my service is depending on who went before me. I'm not sure I like my odds!
[QUOTE=HeadFirst80;2876524]That's the inconsistent service I was referring to. I had that discussion with one of the MTs and she said some people would short on tips and she didn't appreciate that. She didn't know how to react to that with that client so she takes that out on the next one. Anyways, if my service is depending on who went before me. I'm not sure I like my odds![/QUOTE]This kinda makes the case for getting there early when they open. Or at the very least trying to avoid being the last one of the night.
Head, see'Mon. That never happens. LOL.
[QUOTE=HeadFirst80;2876524]That's the inconsistent service I was referring to. I had that discussion with one of the MTs and she said some people would short on tips and she didn't appreciate that. She didn't know how to react to that with that client so she takes that out on the next one. Anyways, if my service is depending on who went before me. I'm not sure I like my odds![/QUOTE]
Over the past few weeks had mixed results. Mostly poor. At generally decent places. Sunset had a self-finish situation. Crazy because they are usually cooperative. What do you tip when you do all the work? Then Anna's UTR. Had a new mongoloid looking gal with nice rack. Until the rushed handshake when I discovered more padding than rackage. Finally tried one of the craigslist office massage girls in Gurnee. Not expecting any happy, however think there might be potential. Used to be Sunset was perfect, Anna's was great, new Green in lake villa was nice, now it's just a crap shoot.
If anyone can recommend a place or person that's consistently good massage & leaves you happy, I'd appreciate it!
I never self service. If you do all the work like that then you should tip for massage only in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Yeouch;2891802]Over the past few weeks had mixed results. Mostly poor. At generally decent places. Sunset had a self-finish situation. Crazy because they are usually cooperative. What do you tip when you do all the work? Then Anna's UTR. Had a new mongoloid looking gal with nice rack. Until the rushed handshake when I discovered more padding than rackage. Finally tried one of the craigslist office massage girls in Gurnee. Not expecting any happy, however think there might be potential. Used to be Sunset was perfect, Anna's was great, new Green in lake villa was nice, now it's just a crap shoot.
If anyone can recommend a place or person that's consistently good massage & leaves you happy, I'd appreciate it![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yeouch;2891802]Over the past few weeks had mixed results. Mostly poor. At generally decent places. Sunset had a self-finish situation. Crazy because they are usually cooperative. What do you tip when you do all the work? Then Anna's UTR. Had a new mongoloid looking gal with nice rack. Until the rushed handshake when I discovered more padding than rackage. Finally tried one of the craigslist office massage girls in Gurnee. Not expecting any happy, however think there might be potential. Used to be Sunset was perfect, Anna's was great, new Green in lake villa was nice, now it's just a crap shoot.
If anyone can recommend a place or person that's consistently good massage & leaves you happy, I'd appreciate it![/QUOTE]I'd have to agree with you about the local Crap Shoot factor. Throw Chinese Bodywork onto the Crap Shoot list. Yesterday's visit (with Lisa) was OK, nothing amazing but satisfactory. However my visit last month was not; that visit had no ending, SS or otherwise. In those situations I just tip what I might tip at a normal "legit" place, 15-25 depending on quality of the massage and how much effort was put into it.
[QUOTE=Yeouch;2891802]Over the past few weeks had mixed results. Mostly poor. At generally decent places. Sunset had a self-finish situation. Crazy because they are usually cooperative. What do you tip when you do all the work? Then Anna's UTR. Had a new mongoloid looking gal with nice rack. Until the rushed handshake when I discovered more padding than rackage. Finally tried one of the craigslist office massage girls in Gurnee. Not expecting any happy, however think there might be potential. Used to be Sunset was perfect, Anna's was great, new Green in lake villa was nice, now it's just a crap shoot.
If anyone can recommend a place or person that's consistently good massage & leaves you happy, I'd appreciate it![/QUOTE]So far Anna's has been consistent. Cute girls too.
I have been mongering for a few years in the Northern suburbs, and I see all these posts about Anna's. I have no idea where it is.
Unless I have been there under a different name. I looked all over Backpage and can't find it.
Could someone PM me or just post a link or something. Thanks.
[QUOTE=RubAddicted;2893605]I have been mongering for a few years in the Northern suburbs, and I see all these posts about Anna's. I have no idea where it is.
Unless I have been there under a different name. I looked all over Backpage and can't find it.
Could someone PM me or just post a link or something. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I second that. Have never been able to find a number or location. (Although I never really put much into the search).
Its in an office building on Milwaukee in Deerfield. Between McD's and the the Speedway Gas station. Appointments only. Last Backpage ad was December. Bob.
[URL]http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-asisn-masseuses-847-338-6069-northbrook-deerfield/13040938[/URL]
[QUOTE=RubAddicted;2893605]I have been mongering for a few years in the Northern suburbs, and I see all these posts about Anna's. I have no idea where it is.
Unless I have been there under a different name. I looked all over Backpage and can't find it.
Could someone PM me or just post a link or something. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;2893903]Its in an office building on Milwaukee in Deerfield. Between McD's and the the Speedway Gas station. Appointments only. Last Backpage ad was December. Bob.
[URL]http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-asisn-masseuses-847-338-6069-northbrook-deerfield/13040938[/URL][/QUOTE]Went there a couple of times a long time ago. Anything more than a HE available?
Never been to cozy and from the reports figured it was a brothel that uncharges too much. I was up for that however drew a late 40's gal that looked like she was dressing young for halloween. She must have read my mood because it was a lame massage and NO HE. Maybe she thought I was LEO. Shot up to Green in Lake Villa the next day and all was fine. Although the MT's seem to be eating a lot more lately! Miss the former owners / talent that used to make Green worth the drive.
Well, YMMV. I have, at various times gotten every item and dined "off the menu", but it really depends on the situation and you and the girl. (I mean there is no formal menu.).
Any spa might give you results: At a Foot Spa, I've gotten BBBJ, DATY, and FS. Actually numerous times. But that was two particular women (different times) and times when the manager was not there. Then they caught me and I was banned.
With the proper attitude, and a positive relationship, I believe you can get a full menu from any woman. Actually, there's more of a thrill with a regular woman than with a pro.
So I'd say take a shot. Maybe you will succeed on the first visit, maybe the second, etc.
MY final comment, is I've not been to Anna's UTR in a few months. I've seen a couple negative posts recently, so go with your eyes open. Bob.
[QUOTE=ReadyForRub;2895070]Went there a couple of times a long time ago. Anything more than a HE available?[/QUOTE]
That's very odd that they haven't placed an Ad in 4 months. Thought they used to post BP Ads regularly. Did anyone go there recently?
[QUOTE=Bob521;2893903]Its in an office building on Milwaukee in Deerfield. Between McD's and the the Speedway Gas station. Appointments only. Last Backpage ad was December. Bob.
[URL]http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-asisn-masseuses-847-338-6069-northbrook-deerfield/13040938[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;2895637]
MY final comment, is I've not been to Anna's UTR in a few months. I've seen a couple negative posts recently, so go with your eyes open. Bob.[/QUOTE]So I tried yesterday to make an appt at Deerfield and she said at this time only in Mundeline there'll be someone available. I say OK. I go there and only one lady she said come back 40 min later?
I call Anna again and she said there's another lady who is suppose to be there in 5-10 min. I decide to wait and here is the weirdest thing happen. After 15 min I call her back, she said go in she is there. I go and guess wt only the other lady there. And now she locks the door on me. So after back and forth 3 times I decide to leave and on my way out I see some korean guy dropping off a lady at front door. By this time I was done with this and just drove away.
I'm not sure if I'll try again with her!
[QUOTE=Lebruno;2895651]That's very odd that they haven't placed an Ad in 4 months. Thought they used to post BP Ads regularly. Did anyone go there recently?[/QUOTE]I've been to Deerfield a couple of times. No problems and only received standard but that is all I'm really looking for a massage places. I mean if something else happened I might not object but I haven't tried. However, there is no doubt about that happening bc there is a ton of teasing.
Thats interesting to know. I've only been to their Deerfield location and wasn't aware they also operate out of Mundolin. Once I was not so lucky and got the massage from Anna herself as she was short-staffed that day. While the massage itself was pretty solid she said that she wouldn't be able to take care of junior and she invited me to come over again to meet with one of her girls who would not only take care of it but also give me extra ten minutes. LOL. BTW, I wish they had the showers.
[QUOTE=HeadFirst80;2895777]So I tried yesterday to make an appt at Deerfield and she said at this time only in Mundeline there'll be someone available. I say OK. I go there and only one lady she said come back 40 min later?
I call Anna again and she said there's another lady who is suppose to be there in 5-10 min. I decide to wait and here is the weirdest thing happen. After 15 min I call her back, she said go in she is there. I go and guess wt only the other lady there. And now she locks the door on me. So after back and forth 3 times I decide to leave and on my way out I see some korean guy dropping off a lady at front door. By this time I was done with this and just drove away.
I'm not sure if I'll try again with her![/QUOTE]
She opened last fall in Mundelein. Next to the Fresh Value on Rt 60. But, it is a legit place. Anna and I talked about this specifically since I was a regular customer, several times a week. Like other legit places, you might be able to establish a relationship with a particular person. Who knows where it will lead. This is where I met "L". She and I still are together and I've followed her along her path. She's the one planning the Chinatown Tea-House with me. Bob.
[QUOTE=Lebruno;2899254]Thats interesting to know. I've only been to their Deerfield location and wasn't aware they also operate out of Mundolin. Once I was not so lucky and got the massage from Anna herself as she was short-staffed that day. While the massage itself was pretty solid she said that she wouldn't be able to take care of junior and she invited me to come over again to meet with one of her girls who would not only take care of it but also give me extra ten minutes. LOL. BTW, I wish they had the showers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;2899451]She opened last fall in Mundelein. Next to the Fresh Value on Rt 60. But, it is a legit place. Anna and I talked about this specifically since I was a regular customer, several times a week. Like other legit places, you might be able to establish a relationship with a particular person. Who knows where it will lead. This is where I met "L". She and I still are together and I've followed her along her path. She's the one planning the Chinatown Tea-House with me. Bob.[/QUOTE]I reviewed Anna's Garden Fresh Massage a while back and I complained of it being too legit. However I have discovered some of the girls from Lake Bluff and Deerfield also work at Mundelein, and if they already know you from the other locations, you are in.
That makes sense. Anna told me she was using part time help. I tried to get her to take "L" back but she said she did not need her. I infer from her comment plus your comment that Anna's experiment with legit shops is losing momentum. Bob.
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;2901725]I reviewed Anna's Garden Fresh Massage a while back and I complained of it being too legit. However I have discovered some of the girls from Lake Bluff and Deerfield also work at Mundelein, and if they already know you from the other locations, you are in.[/QUOTE]
Yesterday I was in the Waukegan area and stopped for a massage at the Chinese place on GBR. Got a 40 yo woman with perhaps 40 words of English, but she gave a pretty good massage. On the flip she got right to work with just a little encouragement. But I had to tell he twice to lighten up. She was just squeezing too damn hard. So the romance explosion happens and she tightens up again to do that Good To The Last Drop thing. Again I'm telling "lighter, lighter!" I tipped her standard, because the massage was pretty good and she did try HARD on the extra. But out the door all I could think of was the commercials I saw as a kid, for G. I. Joe with the Kung Fu Grip!
The RM crowd is reporting recent success at Pine in LV. I've been burned there a few times while TOFTT. Anyone have any recent insights or thinking of going?
Stopped in for an hour. Got a late 30's something therapist. Very nice massage, tho she kept leaving to answer the front door. Plenty of teasing and on the flip, a standard finish. . 6 at door. 4 tip.
Across the street from walmart.
[QUOTE=NuruLover;2922469]The RM crowd is reporting recent success at Pine in LV. I've been burned there a few times while TOFTT. Anyone have any recent insights or thinking of going?[/QUOTE]Pine has really gone downhill since Sue and Gigi left. Was in a couple of weeks ago, and saw a mediocre teeny-bopper. While advertising everything new, it only means paint. The. 80 door fee remains, and just isn't worth it for the talent.
[QUOTE=ReadyForRub;2939764]Pine has really gone downhill since Sue and Gigi left. Was in a couple of weeks ago, and saw a mediocre teeny-bopper. While advertising everything new, it only means paint. The. 80 door fee remains, and just isn't worth it for the talent.[/QUOTE]Menu has opened up, but the prices are too high. 140 FS, could probably get them to drop to 120, but should be 100 max IMHO.
Plus the 80 door fee is the highest around and 40 minutes in and out the door.
Definitely an option but there are better places for sure.
Be safe.
Joe.
Sounds like the typical scenario.
[QUOTE=Joe6009;2941159]Menu has opened up, but the prices are too high. 140 FS, could probably get them to drop to 120, but should be 100 max IMHO.
Plus the 80 door fee is the highest around and 40 minutes in and out the door.
Definitely an option but there are better places for sure.
Be safe.
Joe.[/QUOTE]
Just read that Cozy Spa, Asian Wellness and Pine Spa were busted for prostitution recently. The MTs they caught were all in their mid / late 50's.
[QUOTE=Diddler1963;2950357]Just read that Cozy Spa, Asian Wellness and Pine Spa were busted for prostitution recently. The MTs they caught were all in their mid / late 50's.[/QUOTE]Not that any of those were favorites of mine, but it's sure to affect the other ones we go to. Or it might scare the MT's into pushing Self Serve. Ugh.
[QUOTE=Diddler1963;2950357]Just read that Cozy Spa, Asian Wellness and Pine Spa were busted for prostitution recently. The MTs they caught were all in their mid / late 50's.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;2950822]Not that any of those were favorites of mine, but it's sure to affect the other ones we go to. Or it might scare the MT's into pushing Self Serve. Ugh.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwimua7Nt6HNAhXEKCYKHSasA6wQFgghMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatch.com%2Fillinois%2Flibertyville%2F3-arrested-prostitution-3-libertyville-massage-parlors&usg=AFQjCNGBq-ui-TSOI1_3KdCzKXrx31pzZw[/URL] It seems that Uncle LEO went Grandma hunting, and bagged a few. So far 2016 has been a bad year for AMP's. I guess it's nice to know that all other type's of crimes have ended and police have nothing to do except worry about Granny's giving handy's. SaintChuck.
[QUOTE=Diddler1963;2950357]Just read that Cozy Spa, Asian Wellness and Pine Spa were busted for prostitution recently. The MTs they caught were all in their mid / late 50's.[/QUOTE]Wonder if the one busted at Cozy was Connie, a long time L'ville AMP gal. Her menu was always limited, but a very nice lady.
[QUOTE=SaintChuck;2950992][URL]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwimua7Nt6HNAhXEKCYKHSasA6wQFgghMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatch.com%2Fillinois%2Flibertyville%2F3-arrested-prostitution-3-libertyville-massage-parlors&usg=AFQjCNGBq-ui-TSOI1_3KdCzKXrx31pzZw[/URL] It seems that Uncle LEO went Grandma hunting, and bagged a few. So far 2016 has been a bad year for AMP's. I guess it's nice to know that all other type's of crimes have ended and police have nothing to do except worry about Granny's giving handy's. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]"The investigation was initiated following several complaints from citizens" So reads the article, and dozens more like it that I have read over the years about AMPs getting busted. I have my doubts. Cozy is in a little strip mall on Peterson, and you can hardly tell its there unless you look fast. Pine is next to a car dealership and a pizza place. Both are way back from any residential areas. So the citizens don't need to worry about little son Johnny getting turned on by the thought of granny giving him a handy. The thing about Wellness is even more ridiculous. It is in a failing office court, the entrance to said office court is one small road that goes between office buildings. It can'be be seen from Milwaukee, and is surrounded on 3 sides by a fence. The only indication it is there is a little OPEN sign in the window. And this is what the citizens are complaining about? No, that's BS. This is the cops looking for an easy bust against women in a poor position to fight back.
I suspect that LEO was fully aware of these places for some time. (Duh). Just like St Charles busts, they keep all the information on file. Then to achieve maximum impact, they "sweep" through and clean house. I would suspect that the mayor got pressure from some source, and the mayor told the chief of police to "close-them" down. I suppose it's conceivable there is a state-wide pressure, since many communities seem to be affected.
A thought occurs to me. I'm working with a legit owner to help acquire a couple new spas. To make them legit spas. My friend would be the manager. Any shop that has been closed down would be a candidate for the purchase. So any recommendations would be appreciated. Remember, I'm going to convert them to legit places. (Sorry guys.) Bob.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;2951289]"The investigation was initiated following several complaints from citizens" So reads the article, and dozens more like it that I have read over the years about AMPs getting busted. I have my doubts. Cozy is in a little strip mall on Peterson, and you can hardly tell its there unless you look fast. Pine is next to a car dealership and a pizza place. Both are way back from any residential areas. So the citizens don't need to worry about little son Johnny getting turned on by the thought of granny giving him a handy. The thing about Wellness is even more ridiculous. It is in a failing office court, the entrance to said office court is one small road that goes between office buildings. It can'be be seen from Milwaukee, and is surrounded on 3 sides by a fence. The only indication it is there is a little OPEN sign in the window. And this is what the citizens are complaining about? No, that's BS. This is the cops looking for an easy bust against women in a poor position to fight back.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;2951426]I suspect that LEO was fully aware of these places for some time. (Duh). Just like St Charles busts, they keep all the information on file. Then to achieve maximum impact, they "sweep" through and clean house. I would suspect that the mayor got pressure from some source, and the mayor told the chief of police to "close-them" down. I suppose it's conceivable there is a state-wide pressure, since many communities seem to be affected.
A thought occurs to me. I'm working with a legit owner to help acquire a couple new spas. To make them legit spas. My friend would be the manager. Any shop that has been closed down would be a candidate for the purchase. So any recommendations would be appreciated. Remember, I'm going to convert them to legit places. (Sorry guys.) Bob.[/QUOTE]Hey Bob, if you're going to insist on opening a "Legit" place, I'm quite partial to those Foot Spa type of places when I need a decent massage for a good price and being able to get in quick without an appointment days in advance. Places like Yu's, etc are a little far from me, the only one I can think of that is within 15-20 miles of me is the little Foot Place in Vernon Hills. But if Cozy folds, I'd be a regular customer at at that location for Legit massage (provided it isn't high priced).
In addition, over the border in Wisconsin (Kenosha, etc) is under-served for that kind of place. The nearest Foot Spa type place over the border is all the way up in Milwaukee.
After all, it is an election year.
[QUOTE=SaintChuck;2950992][URL]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwimua7Nt6HNAhXEKCYKHSasA6wQFgghMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatch.com%2Fillinois%2Flibertyville%2F3-arrested-prostitution-3-libertyville-massage-parlors&usg=AFQjCNGBq-ui-TSOI1_3KdCzKXrx31pzZw[/URL] It seems that Uncle LEO went Grandma hunting, and bagged a few. So far 2016 has been a bad year for AMP's. I guess it's nice to know that all other type's of crimes have ended and police have nothing to do except worry about Granny's giving handy's. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]
Yu's also owns a place called "Lux Foot Spa" on Milwaukee, just south of Lake Street. It's on the side of the building. Can't see it from the road. Yu also owns Yu's Mandarin (Restaurant) in Schaumberg and opening Yu's Mandarin in Vernon Hills.
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;2951948]Hey Bob, if you're going to insist on opening a "Legit" place, I'm quite partial to those Foot Spa type of places when I need a decent massage for a good price and being able to get in quick without an appointment days in advance. Places like Yu's, etc are a little far from me, the only one I can think of that is within 15-20 miles of me is the little Foot Place in Vernon Hills. But if Cozy folds, I'd be a regular customer at at that location for Legit massage (provided it isn't high priced).
In addition, over the border in Wisconsin (Kenosha, etc) is under-served for that kind of place. The nearest Foot Spa type place over the border is all the way up in Milwaukee.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;2951426]I suspect that LEO was fully aware of these places for some time. (Duh). Just like St Charles busts, they keep all the information on file. Then to achieve maximum impact, they "sweep" through and clean house. I would suspect that the mayor got pressure from some source, and the mayor told the chief of police to "close-them" down. I suppose it's conceivable there is a state-wide pressure, since many communities seem to be affected.
A thought occurs to me. I'm working with a legit owner to help acquire a couple new spas. To make them legit spas. My friend would be the manager. Any shop that has been closed down would be a candidate for the purchase. So any recommendations would be appreciated. Remember, I'm going to convert them to legit places. (Sorry guys.) Bob.[/QUOTE]All three have been around for years, with Pine being around the longest. I hope it wasn't one of the car salesmen dissatisfied with this service department. Maybe the new BP ads did them in. You don't rub LEO's nose in it. All this "new and improved" really isn't necessary.
Had some time last Friday, and this place is close so I I'd give it a try. 60/40 for the standard finish. Therapist was older, but attractive enough for what I was looking for. Walk on back was a bit aggressive for my liking, but I did tell her I like it hard. Have not decided if I'd go back or not, no TS, which I do enjoy.
Given the LEO around here tried my first Korean place. MT was attractive enough. And first difference from typical Chinese place is she was wearing a hot, tight dress easily lifted up or taken down. First time there so she was cautious as I guess I look like a cop. Rubbed her legs a few times during the msg to signal I'm ok and finally asked her to lie on the table and I'd massage her. She acted confused but complied. Her dress was up in no time and after rubbing her for a while while she grabbed mini yeoch, she had me lay down and she was basically naked for the nice standard finish allowing free roving anywhere. I'm sure there's more on the menu however that's all I was up for that day. Will go back. 80/60 because she was sweet.
[QUOTE=SaintChuck;2950992][URL]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwimua7Nt6HNAhXEKCYKHSasA6wQFgghMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatch.com%2Fillinois%2Flibertyville%2F3-arrested-prostitution-3-libertyville-massage-parlors&usg=AFQjCNGBq-ui-TSOI1_3KdCzKXrx31pzZw[/URL] It seems that Uncle LEO went Grandma hunting, and bagged a few. So far 2016 has been a bad year for AMP's. I guess it's nice to know that all other type's of crimes have ended and police have nothing to do except worry about Granny's giving handy's. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]Ya really! So the Lake County Metropolitan Enforcement Group was involved. This is what their page says is their mission:
[QUOTE]The Lake County Metropolitan Enforcement Group (MEG) is a multi-jurisdictional law enforcement task force dedicated to serving communities and member agencies through the investigation of illicit drug trafficking and distribution, gang activity, and weapon offenses within Lake County, Illinois.[/QUOTE]So. They've taken care of all the gangs and drug problems?
Just like the Department of Homeland Security's foray into "trafficking" How does that fit with fighting terrorism? I thought their job was to coordinate info amongst different agencies, like what was supposed to have happened in FL when they FBI investigated someone twice but never told the locals then he went on a rampage.
Sorry for the political rant, but remember they DO work for us. So you would be wise to let them know what you think.