Ripoff Reports

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I saw Ciera at her hotel. Things started out weird, but I did not think too unusual given the circumstances, but within a few minutes of starting things she started freaking out about some voices we heard outside the window, in the parking lot. She insisted that I leave because her "ex" "was here". I've never seen such bizarre behaviour.

It was very obvious that the brief sounds outside had nothing to do with us. Thankfully I kept my calm and recognized that I should just leave and not cause any trouble for myself. I took my time walking out of the hotel and looked around the parking lot. There was absolutely nobody around (except the clerk at the desk).

Of course, she had already taken the 200 for the full hour and was keeping it (LOL, I actually asked if she would just take a hhr fee and give me the rest back, she said "NO" The more I think of it, I think she was intentionally looking for an opportunity to rip me off from the beginning, and this is just how it played out.

Be safe out there guys![/QUOTE]She's got some of the same reports in the Escort reports back a few weeks ago as well as far as being a ripoff. Should be able to search her name and see. Tons of Pharma issues with this one.

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Save your paper. Do not see her. Stay away! Don't even think about it. You work hard for your money. Don't become the victim.

1. You *will* get ripped off. She expects you to pay half or more up front before you can even see her. If you pay first, let alone see her, you will 100% lose. Then she can ghost you, make up some excuse, etc. You know how this will play out. Please avoid.

2. She has been using the same photos in her ads for how long now? Two years? Oh and she still uses the same age. These photos are bait and switch. Plain and simple.

3. If you ask her for an updated photo, no matter how nice you are about it, she will become belligerent with you. She will call you a stalker, and accuse you of wanting stuff for free (whatever that means). It's just a terrible excuse because we know and she knows its true but doesn't want to admit it. She's delusional.

Probably just missed it somewhere else that she was a ripoff, but just in case thought I would send the warning. Like to think I have been in the game long enough to identify a rip-off, but apparently I let my guard down. Got to her place on the east side and we talked a bit. Then off to the bathroom she went, cash in hand (I know, I know). Then silence. The house was still locked up so I figure she just waited in there till I left. Either way, I chalked it up to being lazy and not on guard and left. Such is life.

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Posted in the ripoff section for Chicago earlier this week. It looks like later on she and her driver / pimp decided to drive on down to your town. Avoid this one, she's a thief and has an accompanying person with them.

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Texted details and time said I could come she was going to shower. Showed up asked for room number after 8 min says sorry she was in the shower. I show up to the room she is sweating not showered goes into the bathroom I get undressed she comes back asks for donation upfront I comply. She starts messing around with her phone and then gets up and runs for the door 2 dudes show up we start arguing I realize this ain't worth going to jail over and leave. Stay safe this ones playing a dangerous game.

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[QUOTE=PoundForPound;6938612]Texted details and time said I could come she was going to shower. Showed up asked for room number after 8 min says sorry she was in the shower. I show up to the room she is sweating not showered goes into the bathroom I get undressed she comes back asks for donation upfront I comply. She starts messing around with her phone and then gets up and runs for the door 2 dudes show up we start arguing I realize this ain't worth going to jail over and leave. Stay safe this ones playing a dangerous game.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/171771690[/URL][/QUOTE]When she ran for the door, I would have had my pistol in my hand ready. Would assume someone else is coming in if she is running.

[QUOTE=PoundForPound;6938612]Texted details and time said I could come she was going to shower. Showed up asked for room number after 8 min says sorry she was in the shower. I show up to the room she is sweating not showered goes into the bathroom I get undressed she comes back asks for donation upfront I comply. She starts messing around with her phone and then gets up and runs for the door 2 dudes show up we start arguing I realize this ain't worth going to jail over and leave. Stay safe this ones playing a dangerous game.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/171771690[/URL][/QUOTE]Crazy because I just saw her not too long ago for a BNG over on the west side. Didn't have any issues with her, but remember reading before that some others had issues with her as well when she was out East. Seems like she moved back over to the East side and is now pulling the same shit she was pulling before. This is the EXACT reason why I leave mostly ALL of the girls on the East side alone. WAY too much BS dealing with them over there.

[QUOTE=AlwaysLookin33;6940901]When she ran for the door, I would have had my pistol in my hand ready. Would assume someone else is coming in if she is running.[/QUOTE]I carry with me to every appointment that I go to. Don't care how any of the girls feel about it either.

[QUOTE=GSpotGilligan;6941030]I carry with me to every appointment that I go to. Don't care how any of the girls feel about it either.[/QUOTE]This is the way.

[QUOTE=Depauw2004;6941880]This is the way.[/QUOTE]I'd never take a gun to an appointment because getting ripped off for a few hundred isn't worth going to prison. When I go in I only take my keys and the money I'm willing to lose. No wallet, no jewelry, no ID. The best security is to pay after play. If she wants paid up front show her the money and have her take off her clothes before you give it. Of course don't ever talk cash for sex. If she won't take anything off before getting paid, leave.

[QUOTE=CooterJones;6945558]I'd never take a gun to an appointment because getting ripped off for a few hundred isn't worth going to prison. When I go in I only take my keys and the money I'm willing to lose. No wallet, no jewelry, no ID. The best security is to pay after play..[/QUOTE]I would assume if a weapon is taken to an appointment, the person taking it is fully prepared to use it and is knowingly accepting the risks and consequences. I could write paragraphs on some of the situations I've had to deal with. The bottom line, to me, is that I have never been harmed and I have never harmed anyone. For many years I had a second vehicle just to hobby in. A real jalopy. One that says "this guy is a broke sob. " One that I wouldn't even bother report being stolen if that had ever happened.

I don't know how it would play out legally if you pulled / used your weapon in self defense during an appointment gone wrong. Considering the parties involved, LE would know the truth of what you were there for no matter what you say. My guess is you would go to jail for that at least. Probably with other charges related to the weapon. Those may or may not be dismissed if the use of it was truly self defense. I would think some sort of charge relating to the use of a weapon while committing another crime might be in play. The dollars spent on an attorney and the time spent in court would be exhausting.

Like most things in life, there is no one size fits all solution your safety when making / keeping an appointment. All of us here are playing what can be a very dangerous game.

[QUOTE=CooterJones;6945558]I'd never take a gun to an appointment because getting ripped off for a few hundred isn't worth going to prison. When I go in I only take my keys and the money I'm willing to lose. No wallet, no jewelry, no ID. The best security is to pay after play. If she wants paid up front show her the money and have her take off her clothes before you give it. Of course don't ever talk cash for sex. If she won't take anything off before getting paid, leave.[/QUOTE]So I completely understand what you're saying here, however, I have known guys who have been robbed, jumped, etc going into appointments or leaving appointments in which before or after the fact of whatever was done during the scheduled appointment is irrelevant. At that point, it's a matter of self defense. Being in the hobby long enough, I have heard some crazy stories of what some people have had to deal with regarding being robbed, which some consist of different things. Someone busting in and telling you to leave is a different ball game than you being robbed AFTER or BEFORE the appointment itself. To be perfectly honest with you at the same time, if you are actually armed at an appointment and one of these punk handlers / pimps tries and bust in and tells you to leave, if they know you are armed I guarantee you 95% of the time they don't want troubles. It's like anything else in life, they do that to the people who they think they can get away with it with the most. So I understand that some don't go armed to appointments because of certain reasons, at the same time it still depends on where my appointment is at, but not any different than me going armed carrying when I go to get groceries. It's the fact that in this day and age, people do dumb shit and have no common sense these days and maybe I would be in a situation where it would be 100% pointless for me to have to use it, however, MAYBE NOT. Like the saying goes, I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Unfortunately just the world we live in these days.

[QUOTE=CooterJones;6945558]I'd never take a gun to an appointment because getting ripped off for a few hundred isn't worth going to prison. When I go in I only take my keys and the money I'm willing to lose. No wallet, no jewelry, no ID. The best security is to pay after play. If she wants paid up front show her the money and have her take off her clothes before you give it. Of course don't ever talk cash for sex. If she won't take anything off before getting paid, leave.[/QUOTE]1 - its for self defense, not flashing it about so I'm not worried about it.

2 - Even if the cops know what you are there for, its a misdemeanor and so no other charges would be added on. That's if they even cared.

3 - I'm a big guy, add a gun to it and most other guys are going to back down unless they are armed too. If I have my gun out and see another gun, I am pulling the trigger right away. Don't care. If I really feel like I could be in trouble over it, I would toss the barrel and replace it with different. Its not like I am going to call the cops if I defend myself if I think there is a possibility I would be charged with murder.

I always have the gun with me and have never had a need to pull it. I also carry a number of other weapons on me Boy Scout.

[QUOTE=GSpotGilligan;6945992]So I completely understand what you're saying here, however, I have known guys who have been robbed, jumped, etc going into appointments or leaving appointments in which before or after the fact of whatever was done during the scheduled appointment is irrelevant. these days.[/QUOTE]However if LE gets involved, what you were doing there will absolutely be relevant to them. And yes I do agree with your very last statement. I haven't been armed in over 35 years. But I have been out twice recently looking to rearm myself precisely for the reason you state.

[QUOTE=AlwaysLookin33;6945998]1 - its for self defense, not flashing it about so I'm not worried about it.

2 - Even if the cops know what you are there for, its a misdemeanor and so no other charges would be added on. That's if they even cared.

3 - I'm a big guy, add a gun to it and most other guys are going to back down unless they are armed too. If I have my gun out and see another gun, I am pulling the trigger right away. Don't care. If I really feel like I could be in trouble over it, I would toss the barrel and replace it with different. Its not like I am going to call the cops if I defend myself if I think there is a possibility I would be charged with murder.

I always have the gun with me and have never had a need to pull it. I also carry a number of other weapons on me Boy Scout.[/QUOTE]This is all very true. Like I said previously as well, I carry everywhere that I go in general for safety and security and definitely not to flash it around as well. Regarding the girl Bunnie in question that was put on the ripoff report. I myself am a big guy as well and have been told I can look intimidating at first glance. With that said, I saw her 2 weeks prior to the report and she was also on her phone a decent amount before we got started, so it makes me wonder if these girls give their handlers a yay or nay when it comes to whether they are going to rob someone or not, because I actually had a good session with her with no issues. At the same time like I said, these girls are going to go for ones that they think they can rob and get away with it. Not saying anyone who's had it happen may or may not be bigger in stature or look intimidating, but the odds of being a bigger and more defensive looking guys definitely helps. Like said here, I always carry with me even if I'm just going to the store which is purely for self defense instead of having to flash it around too.