Rants and Raves plus Stupid Shit

[QUOTE=Levi10;2399342]It sounds like there's a little bit of emotion involved and grandstanding going on here designed to protect the reputation of an otherwise good provider. From a completely impartial perspective, it sounds to me like the post was a member calling it as he saw it. He says she stood him up and he wanted the rest of us to be careful. What part of that makes him a douchbag?

My personal opinion is that the world needs more providers who have the where with all that Destiny does however there is absolutely no excuse for agreeing to a meeting time then blowing off the appointment with no reply whatsoever. I've been around "the block" more than I care to count and can completely understand patience when it comes to working girls. Patience is one thing, poor or nonexistent communication is another. I'm all for patience however I have none for being fucked over by anyone. To be honest, I have my doubts that this happened exactly as it did. Furthermore, I suspect there is more to this than is known now so I too would give Destiny the benefit of doubt. Although, if she indeed stood this guy up then shame on her and WJ has every right to let it be known. In fact, this is exactly the place a fact based account of what happened. I and others want to know when this kind of shit happens. It sets the expectations for the rest of us. The beauty of this forum is that Destiny is on here frequently and has the same opportunity as the rest of us to respond and clear the air.

Bottom line, if this is indeed what happened, then a round of applause for WJ for giving the rest of us a heads up. If things didn't go down exactly as he said the shame on him for not telling us the rest of the story.

RA, if you accept this type of behavior from any provider then you're exactly the kind of patron that's ruining it for the rest of us. Shitty service should never be tolerated and should be ferreted out. Far too many girls pull this kind of shit then expect the rest of us to understand. Fuck that. I have a three strike policy for the simple reason that any one can have a true emergency that prevents them from responding but they have better odds winning the lottery than having three true emergencies which would prevent them from texting a response back.

L10.[/QUOTE]To get it straight, there was NEVER a set appointment. He asked what time I would be available I stated I didn't know I had to work until 1 p and to give me a call then to see if I will be around. Now mind you I have two seperate cell phones, a personal and a hobby. When I am at work I leave my hobby phone home. My shift relief ended up running late at work and I didn't leave until 3 p. I am sorry for not responding back but I am not responding to a text or call that is more then an hour old for the fact I don't know your personal life.

[QUOTE=Levi10;2399342]It sounds like there's a little bit of emotion involved and grandstanding going on here designed to protect the reputation of an otherwise good provider. From a completely impartial perspective, it sounds to me like the post was a member calling it as he saw it. He says she stood him up and he wanted the rest of us to be careful. What part of that makes him a douchbag?

My personal opinion is that the world needs more providers who have the where with all that Destiny does however there is absolutely no excuse for agreeing to a meeting time then blowing off the appointment with no reply whatsoever. I've been around "the block" more than I care to count and can completely understand patience when it comes to working girls. Patience is one thing, poor or nonexistent communication is another. I'm all for patience however I have none for being fucked over by anyone. To be honest, I have my doubts that this happened exactly as it did. Furthermore, I suspect there is more to this than is known now so I too would give Destiny the benefit of doubt. Although, if she indeed stood this guy up then shame on her and WJ has every right to let it be known. In fact, this is exactly the place a fact based account of what happened. I and others want to know when this kind of shit happens. It sets the expectations for the rest of us. The beauty of this forum is that Destiny is on here frequently and has the same opportunity as the rest of us to respond and clear the air.

Bottom line, if this is indeed what happened, then a round of applause for WJ for giving the rest of us a heads up. If things didn't go down exactly as he said the shame on him for not telling us the rest of the story.

RA, if you accept this type of behavior from any provider then you're exactly the kind of patron that's ruining it for the rest of us. Shitty service should never be tolerated and should be ferreted out. Far too many girls pull this kind of shit then expect the rest of us to understand. Fuck that. I have a three strike policy for the simple reason that any one can have a true emergency that prevents them from responding but they have better odds winning the lottery than having three true emergencies which would prevent them from texting a response back.

L10.[/QUOTE]Thanks L10. The truth of the matter is there is no more to tell, she never texted me back, nor do I expect nor want her to at this point. Believe me, I have no personal ax to grind here, I've never met the woman. All I know is what I read in the posts, which basically say she's a damn good provider. I just can't stand, nor will tolerate, being blown off. Again, I'm sure she's very busy, but we are too, and we'd appreciate a quick "thanks but no thanks" as opposed to wasting our time. Stellar reviews and service is no excuse for rudeness.

[QUOTE=WarrenAJeffers;2399661]Thanks L10. The truth of the matter is there is no more to tell, she never texted me back, nor do I expect nor want her to at this point. Believe me, I have no personal ax to grind here, I've never met the woman. All I know is what I read in the posts, which basically say she's a damn good provider. I just can't stand, nor will tolerate, being blown off. Again, I'm sure she's very busy, but we are too, and we'd appreciate a quick "thanks but no thanks" as opposed to wasting our time. Stellar reviews and service is no excuse for rudeness.[/QUOTE]I don't fault anybody for posting anything, as long as it's genuine. If you felt you were wronged, regardless of the popularity of the provider, you should be able to report your experience without being attacked. For that I feel RAAlbsny was out of line. Though having seen Destiny a couple times myself, I can understand the instinct to defend her. As far as providers in this area goes, she's top notch.

WAJ can decide for himself whether or not he wants to accept it, but Destiny's explanation makes perfect sense to me. If she texts you back several hours after you're expecting and your SO sees it, you've got some splaining to do. I know my wife would be less than thrilled anyway. Perhaps if you want a response regardless and it's safe to respond anytime, you could include that in your message so she knows it's ok.

Anyway, that's my $. 02. Spend it as you wish.

Totally agree with Rdavis and I am glad SD has this policy. I for one don't want to be texted or called when I am at home with family, in fact I do take extreme precautions to ensure this does not happen. I usually have a narrow window in which to contact and meet providers, if I can't do it in that window I have to look at another day / window. I have had the same experience as WJ with plenty of providers at different times who want you to call or txt later or will say that they will call / txt later. But I believe the onus is always on the hobbyist to get back to the provider especially if there is no appointment in place. Of course this does not apply if the timing is mutually agreed upon and the provider renegs on the appointment.

WJ, my comments are not directed against you or anyone else, but just general observations.

I should provide a disclaimer here that I have seen SD at least a couple of times and thoroughly enjoyed my visits.

Stay safe.

Vic.

[QUOTE=Rdavis1972;2399920]I don't fault anybody for posting anything, as long as it's genuine. If you felt you were wronged, regardless of the popularity of the provider, you should be able to report your experience without being attacked. For that I feel RAAlbsny was out of line. Though having seen Destiny a couple times myself, I can understand the instinct to defend her. As far as providers in this area goes, she's top notch.

WAJ can decide for himself whether or not he wants to accept it, but Destiny's explanation makes perfect sense to me. If she texts you back several hours after you're expecting and your SO sees it, you've got some splaining to do. I know my wife would be less than thrilled anyway. Perhaps if you want a response regardless and it's safe to respond anytime, you could include that in your message so she knows it's ok.

Anyway, that's my $. 02. Spend it as you wish.[/QUOTE]

I agree with RDavis and Victor72. Your phone ringing / beeping / vibrating when you are home with family can lead to some possible awkward questions or explanations. I have one traveling provider that I see twice a year who, on her voicemail states " sorry that I'm not available to take your call. Please leave a message as to when it's a best time to return your call ". I like that.

[QUOTE=Msanders;2402868]I know I'm considered to be Dominique's white knight around her and that's fine I don't give a fuck really but I can tell you that she had no less than SIX no call no shows I'm two days. We will be very fortunate if she ever returns. If I were her I wouldn't.[/QUOTE]Why is this of any concern to you?

I would say you need to pull yourself together and stop getting all up in the provider side of the business.

Why would you know that she had 6 NCNS? Because you are talking to her TOO MUCH!! Go see her, do your thing and leave! DON'T CALL HER AGAIN until you want to do 'your thing again'!

You will get nothing but grief involving yourself like this. Do you think she was the ONLY girl who had 6 NCNS in the past few days? Probably not, right?

I care only about myself and my relationship with the girls I see. I don't lump the girls in with each other and hope they don't lump me in with other 'Johns". I take care of my own backyard and nobody else's. I get questioned by many as to how or why I have such great success with the local talent and the answer is simple- "I show the ladies respect!" plain and simple. I show up ON TIME! I pay what they ask! I arrive groomed and ready to play, if not I shower and clean up properly. I respect their time and limits without question. If a girls says 'No FIA' I don't keep testing to see if she was serious etc. When I leave- THAT's IT! I don't call them to say hi or 'what's up'.

Assuming, by your recent posts, this has not been Dominique's experience lately. And really, that is too bad. More dudes should follow simple courtesy. But you are preaching to the choir here, fella. Most members here and other sites, tend to be a bit more 'advanced' in the hobby and will show the proper manners. The guys that tend not to are probably not here reading this stuff. If they are, then they are just assholes and won't change their behavior no matter what we say.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe she isn't doing the proper screening protocols? If she is or isn't, why is that your concern?

Again, it seems as if you are TOO involved with her day to day happenings. I didn't get any calls from Victoria, Kendra, Leaha, Gabby, Krissy, Autumn, or Alexis complaining that too many guys stiffed them this week and WTF? And I can guarantee that I saw them ALL more times in the last 60 days than you have seen Dominique, so what's up with that?

Have you begun to blur the lines between professional and private? It would seem so. Before we all pull out the flamethrowers, lets all take a moment. While it is commendable that MSanders is trying to stick up for the girls and do the right thing in promoting good business behavior, I must say I don't recommend the methods. Getting too involved is a road to ruin and that is the vibe I'm getting from your recent posts. If I'm wrong- flame away- I can take it.

But let's all keep our cards and hands ON the table- just the facts, Jack!

Peace.

PK.

[QUOTE=LokiPk;2403823]Why is this of any concern to you?

I would say you need to pull yourself together and stop getting all up in the provider side of the business.

Why would you know that she had 6 NCNS? Because you are talking to her TOO MUCH!! Go see her, do your thing and leave! DON'T CALL HER AGAIN until you want to do 'your thing again'!

You will get nothing but grief involving yourself like this. Do you think she was the ONLY girl who had 6 NCNS in the past few days? Probably not, right?

I care only about myself and my relationship with the girls I see. I don't lump the girls in with each other and hope they don't lump me in with other 'Johns". I take care of my own backyard and nobody else's. I get questioned by many as to how or why I have such great success with the local talent and the answer is simple- "I show the ladies respect!" plain and simple. I show up ON TIME! I pay what they ask! I arrive groomed and ready to play, if not I shower and clean up properly. I respect their time and limits without question. If a girls says 'No FIA' I don't keep testing to see if she was serious etc. When I leave- THAT's IT! I don't call them to say hi or 'what's up'.

Assuming, by your recent posts, this has not been Dominique's experience lately. And really, that is too bad. More dudes should follow simple courtesy. But you are preaching to the choir here, fella. Most members here and other sites, tend to be a bit more 'advanced' in the hobby and will show the proper manners. The guys that tend not to are probably not here reading this stuff. If they are, then they are just assholes and won't change their behavior no matter what we say.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe she isn't doing the proper screening protocols? If she is or isn't, why is that your concern?

Again, it seems as if you are TOO involved with her day to day happenings. I didn't get any calls from Victoria, Kendra, Leaha, Gabby, Krissy, Autumn, or Alexis complaining that too many guys stiffed them this week and WTF? And I can guarantee that I saw them ALL more times in the last 60 days than you have seen Dominique, so what's up with that?

Have you begun to blur the lines between professional and private? It would seem so. Before we all pull out the flamethrowers, lets all take a moment. While it is commendable that MSanders is trying to stick up for the girls and do the right thing in promoting good business behavior, I must say I don't recommend the methods. Getting too involved is a road to ruin and that is the vibe I'm getting from your recent posts. If I'm wrong- flame away- I can take it.

But let's all keep our cards and hands ON the table- just the facts, Jack!

Peace.

PK.[/QUOTE]Yeah your wrong because I was the last guy she saw before leaving town and nothing more. That being said I'm in no mood for a flame war. You made assumptions that were incorrect but that's fine the world keeps turning and lofe goes on. No skin off my back.

[QUOTE=Msanders;2403887]Yeah your wrong because I was the last guy she saw before leaving town and nothing more. That being said I'm in no mood for a flame war. You made assumptions that were incorrect but that's fine the world keeps turning and lofe goes on. No skin off my back.[/QUOTE]Then why respond at all?

PK.

[QUOTE=LokiPk;2403970]Then why respond at all?

PK.[/QUOTE]Why not respond? Maybe its unusual but these girls talk to me. We actually have conversations. In a lot of cases we spend more time convo than anything else. I'm a good listener and sometimes they vent about shit like this. Do you really give a fuck how I get the info?

[QUOTE=Msanders;2404019]Why not respond? Maybe its unusual but these girls talk to me. We actually have conversations. In a lot of cases we spend more time convo than anything else. I'm a good listener and sometimes they vent about shit like this. Do you really give a fuck how I get the info?[/QUOTE]Which, if I read his rant correctly, is exactly Loki's point. You are befriending these providers whereas he and others like myself don't engage these ladies in conversation after the fact. If I wanted another friend or relationship I'd go find one. I don't! Quite honestly, I don't have the time or energy to listen to their tales of woe. All I want is to have fun and play with the girls while I'm there and leave with a smile on my face. Not to be trite but as Charlie Sheen once said, "I don't pay hookers for sex; I pay them to leave. " Same with me. I don't want to hear from them afterwards unless I leave them a message that I want to meet up. It's just two different ways to play in this hobby. Not for me but hey it's your time!

L10.

I do small talk with the providers, never give details of my personal life, nor do I want details of theirs. I go for the action and leave. I find some providers can't keep there personal "stories" straight anyway. Some tell different fairy tales all day long, that's fine, whatever gets them thru the day / nightmare they are most likely living. I remember this is a business and they are doing this for the money so if some guy is going to get blown off for another regular they know and trust for the most part that's just how it is, I have been ditched by new providers for what I am sure is some regular, They tell you a story no it wasn't I was running late my roommate needed the car or blah blah blah and meanwhile you see in the bathroom a condom floating in the toilet. It comes down to how bad you want to see the girl and what your willing to put up with to get a date. Loki puts up one of his fantastic reviews I guarantee that girl is busy for a week and shuffling around a hour for a half hour, or a big spender from a cheap skate, (the girls talk also) if a provider takes me on short notice I am always grateful, and I'd prefer they never call back much later or text randomly. I have a girl now who thinks I am a ATM and texts in the middle of the night or during the day, or in the evening from like 5 different numbers, I keep blocking the numbers, perhaps she will get the hint sooner or later. I guess the point of this is, this is a unregulated free for all. Don't expect 5 star white glove service, you will only be disappointed, over and over. If you get lucky and have a great time. Well alright alright alright. But count on this, you will get blown off, you will get ripped off, and at some point you will have a shitty disappointing time. Guys that White night girls just look stupid in the long run after they burn them!

[QUOTE=Levi10;2404267]Which, if I read his rant correctly, is exactly Loki's point. You are befriending these providers whereas he and others like myself don't engage these ladies in conversation after the fact. If I wanted another friend or relationship I'd go find one. I don't! Quite honestly, I don't have the time or energy to listen to their tales of woe. All I want is to have fun and play with the girls while I'm there and leave with a smile on my face. Not to be trite but as Charlie Sheen once said, "I don't pay hookers for sex; I pay them to leave. " Same with me. I don't want to hear from them afterwards unless I leave them a message that I want to meet up. It's just two different ways to play in this hobby. Not for me but hey it's your time!

L10.[/QUOTE]The last sentence is all that needs to be said. It's my time. None of your fucking business what I do with it. I don't give a fuck what you do with yours either. Everyone has their own reasons for doing this. The point is no call no shows are bullshit and on that we should all be in agreement.

[QUOTE=Msanders;2404502]The last sentence is all that needs to be said. It's my time. None of your fucking business what I do with it. I don't give a fuck what you do with yours either. Everyone has their own reasons for doing this. The point is no call no shows are bullshit and on that we should all be in agreement.[/QUOTE]Contrary to what you may think, I spend more than my fair share of time chatting it up with the chicks. I don't dine and dash without nary a word like some I've heard about. I get to know them and what goes on in this hobby and we all get along very well. Frankly, if I don't have a good rapport with a girl she doesn't stay on my list for long.

That being said, NCNS ARE bullshit no question. But do you really think it was 6 or 10 guys from here who stiffed her? I don't see anyone on here or eccie bragging about NCNS or stiffing for time or money. Most vested members here play the game like gentlemen. So I don't see the purpose in preaching to the choir, but I do see a pattern with you regarding Dominique. And like Levi said, "not for me, but hey it's your time ".

PK.

[QUOTE=Levi10;2399342]It sounds like there's a little bit of emotion involved and grandstanding going on here designed to protect the reputation of an otherwise good provider. From a completely impartial perspective, it sounds to me like the post was a member calling it as he saw it. He says she stood him up and he wanted the rest of us to be careful. What part of that makes him a douchbag?

My personal opinion is that the world needs more providers who have the where with all that Destiny does however there is absolutely no excuse for agreeing to a meeting time then blowing off the appointment with no reply whatsoever. I've been around "the block" more than I care to count and can completely understand patience when it comes to working girls. Patience is one thing, poor or nonexistent communication is another. I'm all for patience however I have none for being fucked over by anyone. To be honest, I have my doubts that this happened exactly as it did. Furthermore, I suspect there is more to this than is known now so I too would give Destiny the benefit of doubt. Although, if she indeed stood this guy up then shame on her and WJ has every right to let it be known. In fact, this is exactly the place a fact based account of what happened. I and others want to know when this kind of shit happens. It sets the expectations for the rest of us. The beauty of this forum is that Destiny is on here frequently and has the same opportunity as the rest of us to respond and clear the air.

Bottom line, if this is indeed what happened, then a round of applause for WJ for giving the rest of us a heads up. If things didn't go down exactly as he said the shame on him for not telling us the rest of the story.

RA, if you accept this type of behavior from any provider then you're exactly the kind of patron that's ruining it for the rest of us. Shitty service should never be tolerated and should be ferreted out. Far too many girls pull this kind of shit then expect the rest of us to understand. Fuck that. I have a three strike policy for the simple reason that any one can have a true emergency that prevents them from responding but they have better odds winning the lottery than having three true emergencies which would prevent them from texting a response back.

L10.[/QUOTE]Personal? Maybe I'm getting annoyed with the younger kids I've hired and I'm taking it out on this WAJ kid, so that's fair. There is a lot of entitlement out there, and I find it annoying. But I'm the boss in my world, so I reserve the right to determine what annoying is. I've never seen SD before, so my defense isn't specific to her.

I totally understand what you are saying L10. Had she skipped an appointment, I'd agree he should speak up. I think I even mentioned that in my response.

But this is about context and expectations. I can't make an appointment with my attorney, or at a great restaurant, etc. In 24 hours sometimes. Why? Because they are the best in the area. Why is that different than a provider who is one of the more popular, well known best in the area? To me it's the same thing. If he was talking about one of these pit stop escorts who comes and goes with the wind. I'd get that, but he pointed to one of the very few on the good local list. Since I'm a local, I give those few the respect they have earned.

Do I get frustrated when I can't make arrangements within the time period I'd like? Sure. But I don't run off and complain about that provider on the forums, because the provider didn't set me up, and hasn't misled me in some devious way. This is simply a matter of not being able to get to the point of agreeing to a time frame. It's the guy who drives up to the drive-thru, never places an order, then drives away. Since when is that a foul?

I think I disagree with you that on-demand expectations of the very small number of good providers is reasonable, if that is what you are trying to say, because I don't think that's reasonable. To suggest it is reasonable is probably setting the wrong expectations for good service. For some of the more cautious providers I have to submit virtually everything but blood to get a meeting, and I'm still on the fence if that is reasonable or not, only because I appreciate the emphasis for safety but holy cow. How personal do I need to get just to arrange a meeting with some of these people?

This wasn't intended to be a personal attack specific to WAJ, I'm going to assume he's a big boy and can take a bit of criticism. But it is a criticism to anyone who posts negative about the very small number of area providers that makes the very short list of top notch area providers who do nothing wrong. If they screw you over, absolutely tell us, but if they simply didn't meet your unreasonable expectations of making arrangements within a time period of less than 24 hours, that's not worth posting your personal frustrations in the review board, indeed it is frustration better suited for this particular forum.

WAJ. As for my public postings here, I've been around a long time. I've seen dudes like you come and go. Since I have limited my list of providers to a very small group, no need to post once I've already reviewed, and I've already reviewed the local girls I see. When I see a girl I've seen in another town pass through Albany, I speak up. I PM folks when they need help, and I give a hell of a lot more than I take on this forum. If making this about me makes you feel better, you go be that guy. I'll still help if I can. My only advice to you directly sir. Man the fuck up, a dude crying in cereal about what amounts to nothing is a bad look here.

Ever consider anger management class? NCNS is never appropriate however I'd venture to guess that it happens more on the provider side than the client side.

[QUOTE=Msanders;2404502]The last sentence is all that needs to be said. It's my time. None of your fucking business what I do with it. I don't give a fuck what you do with yours either. Everyone has their own reasons for doing this. The point is no call no shows are bullshit and on that we should all be in agreement.[/QUOTE].