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[QUOTE=TrollMahn;6796726]Never done VIP in Michigan. Are there typically time restrictions or until the champagne pops the bottle?[/QUOTE]I only go to Henry's North, Bogart's and very rarely, Criket. I've been in the hobby for a very long time and as far as time, that's something that you negotiate with the girl.
[QUOTE=TrollMahn;6796726]Never done VIP in Michigan. Are there typically time restrictions or until the champagne pops the bottle?[/QUOTE]If she likes you or you are a regular she won't count songs.
[QUOTE=DooMama7;6794614]Yesterday was in town and decided to hit up Bogart's and Silver Cricket. Bogart's and Henry's fills my niche for older / MILF like dancers and there were several to choose from. Did not see Anastasia, but got with Brooke, paid 2. 00 for BBBJ and BBFS, didn't nut in her but she was great. Went to SC for some food but I was on a budget and was also drained so I wasn't going to spend anything on any dancers. Saw Kitty / Kitten (biracial or light skin black, fat ass) anyone ever take her to the back for some VIP extras?[/QUOTE]I have never done anything in a strip club (haven't even been in one in a while.
Simple question: how does one get what you did? Do you simply pick out a girl, (I know they ask about doing a dance, go in the back etc) say, I want the full monte, how much? Is it a bit more nuanced than that? Sorry for such a rookie question, I don't want to spend a hundo getting table dances just to find out I could have been balls deep for around that.
Any help / advice would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=TrollMahn;6796726]Never done VIP in Michigan. Are there typically time restrictions or until the champagne pops the bottle?[/QUOTE]TM,
In BTs the VIP is supposed to be for 30 minutes. Most of the time they are relaxed about it, and the attendant will wander back and say if you are staying in the VIP it will cost another $20. You and the girl can negotiate who will pay it. She usually wants you to pay it, but if you are overpaying like $500, they she may cover it because she wants a happy customer.
Occasionally BTs gets aggressive about enforcing it, when that happens it is best to change to a club that doesn't do that. Most time I have had it enforced on me was when the club is empty, for some reason when the VIP's are full they don't seem to enforce it. Often times it is closer to 60 minutes before the guy wanders back.
MM.
[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;6796946]If she likes you or you are a regular she won't count songs.[/QUOTE]JOC,
In my experience this is to be negotiated in the main room, when you are discussing dances, you state that I don't want to count songs that is stressful and I can't perform under that kind of stress.
If you leave it up to the girl, a favorite won't do that with you, but many hustlers will try to count songs.
MM.
[QUOTE=WarrenFun;6797672]I have never done anything in a strip club (haven't even been in one in a while.
Simple question: how does one get what you did? Do you simply pick out a girl, (I know they ask about doing a dance, go in the back etc) say, I want the full monte, how much? Is it a bit more nuanced than that? Sorry for such a rookie question, I don't want to spend a hundo getting table dances just to find out I could have been balls deep for around that.
Any help / advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]WF,
Most guys if they have never negotiated for this are very squeamish. They try to use cute euphemisms and be nuanced. That will only lead to confusion and disappointment.
It is time to put your big boy underpants on and advocate for what you want. You need to be specific and direct.
You will not offend her, she has heard many more strange requests than what you want likely earlier this same day.
If you want a couple warm up dances then say that. If don't want any warm up dances than say I don't want a dance, instead I want to put your breasts in my mouth, or my dick in your mouth, or my dick in your pussy. If you want to kiss her then say that. If you want to shoot on her face than say that. She will most likely say yes, but if not then she says no and you move on to the next girl. After you have established the activities then you say I have $200 to spend. She will again say yes or no, or most likely counter offer higher. It is up to you to determine what you want to pay for what services.
This is the most likely way for you to be satisfied because you both know what you want her to do, and what constitutes a successful VIP. This is a buyer beware experience, and most of these girls are very good at what they do, and if they sense weakness or nervousness they will take advantage of you. Some girls no matter what you do or how careful you are will try to cheat you. If that happens and it eventually will, then best to end the session pay for however many songs you were back there and try with a different girl.
Last year I sampled 20 girls and I had 3 try to cheat me, but that meant I had 17 who were honest and did a good job. This seems normal to me, and it is also why guys often repeat with a girl they know they like.
Go try it out and report back on your results.
MM.
[QUOTE=WarrenFun;6797672]I have never done anything in a strip club (haven't even been in one in a while.
Simple question: how does one get what you did? Do you simply pick out a girl, (I know they ask about doing a dance, go in the back etc) say, I want the full monte, how much? Is it a bit more nuanced than that? Sorry for such a rookie question, I don't want to spend a hundo getting table dances just to find out I could have been balls deep for around that.
Any help / advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]They know what you're there for and you know what you're there for. There's no pretense. They're all brothels with the disguise being dancing. A tip on stage, chat at the table a bit and then just be straightforward. If you want head, lean over and tell her that you want head or if you want to fuck, tell her that you came to the club to fuck. They'll all give you high offers for either, especially if you're an unknown novice, and they'll try to take advantage of you. You should easily be able to negotiate fucking in $160 - 180 range, without much conversation or hassle. As you can see, some reports are $200 plus but it's all about negotiation.
Two BIG rules to follow 1) NEVER wait until you're in the back room to negotiate price and 2) NEVER pay up front. Once you do either, they've got you. A girl may talk a good game but once you've paid her, the performance may differ from what you negotiated, not be a good a good performance or just flat out change the time frame and cut you off soon (as in 3 songs and you're done). If some girl does that to you, report back to the rest of us, so we don't get screwed over.
[QUOTE=PickleJar;6796853]How does one get 'in the know'?[/QUOTE]Asking for a friend, obviously.
Question for you all. I've been to all the other clubs quite a few times but BT's only twice. Do all of the back booths have those weird low chairs? I hate being that low to the ground. Makes everything awkward LOL.
[QUOTE=DetFan8115;6798862]Question for you all. I've been to all the other clubs quite a few times but BT's only twice. Do all of the back booths have those weird low chairs? I hate being that low to the ground. Makes everything awkward LOL.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately yes.
So if I'm hitting up the Dearborn clubs and I try to keep about 3 K on me is it best on the whole if the girls know that about me or should I make sure they don't know?
[QUOTE=IndyBobby;6799552]So if I'm hitting up the Dearborn clubs and I try to keep about 3 K on me is it best on the whole if the girls know that about me or should I make sure they don't know?[/QUOTE]IB,
That is a huge amount of money, why would you bring so much? How many sessions are you planning to do?
I don't see any value in advertising how much money you have, it is a good way to get quoted high prices (probably happen anyway).
I would encourage you not to overpay for sessions, that just raises the prices for every one. You don't need to be cheap, but negotiate a fair price so everyone is happy.
MM.
I'm not sure if any of you knew Dana at LS. Great girl, tall, dirty blonde hair and tattoo, 34 DDD. Unfortunately, she passed in December.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;6799558]IB,
That is a huge amount of money, why would you bring so much? How many sessions are you planning to do?
I don't see any value in advertising how much money you have, it is a good way to get quoted high prices (probably happen anyway).
I would encourage you not to overpay for sessions, that just raises the prices for every one. You don't need to be cheap, but negotiate a fair price so everyone is happy.
MM.[/QUOTE]Most of these girls have BF's, I sure wouldn't advertise that amount of cash in your pocket. Makes you a target.
[QUOTE=IndyBobby;6799552]So if I'm hitting up the Dearborn clubs and I try to keep about 3 K on me is it best on the whole if the girls know that about me or should I make sure they don't know?[/QUOTE]At most take 900 into a club. You should able to get 3 covered sessions with that much easy. If you're set on some sort of fantasy fark like BBFSCIP you'll pay quite a bit more if you can even find a girl that will do that. Rinse repeat at each club. Leave the rest in a hotel safe or buried in an out of the way hidden spot in your car (IE not the normal places no glove box, console box nor any place that can be unlocked with the cars key).
My as of yet unfulfilled fantasy is BBFSCIP then make her come back sit with me for a bit then dance on the main stage with my spunk still in her.
[QUOTE=IndyBobby;6799552]So if I'm hitting up the Dearborn clubs and I try to keep about 3 K on me is it best on the whole if the girls know that about me or should I make sure they don't know?[/QUOTE]A few things. That sounds like your a make it rain type clubber, make way too much money, or are horrible with savings so spend like mad. If the middle, good for you, if you're not maximizing your retirement accounts I'd set aside more for that, less strippers just my. 02. I certainly wouldn't let a stripper know you have that much, you're a target to get robbed, pick pocketed etc. 3 k in hundreds isn't too thick of a stack and easier to manage but if 20 $ is quite obvious a large stack in your pockets.
Me I set my budget to $200-300 and try to get 1 or 2 FS rounds. If only 1 round I have cash left when I leave.
When I first started visiting and getting extras I went to LS and Legends, or the 8 mile consuming obviously pre curtains years. I would use the ATM there and would spend way too much for a single session, drinks etc. More mature me with a lot more responsibilities and use for money I like the lower end clubs and find no big VIP tax, no valet etc to be refreshing. Sure the chicks are not as hot and I sometimes leave without a VIP session, but I still have fun.
[QUOTE=SlyGuy12;6799951]Most of these girls have BF's, I sure wouldn't advertise that amount of cash in your pocket. Makes you a target.[/QUOTE]The term "Boyfriend" is used "loosely" in more ways than one. LOL. Its more like "Boyfriends" or "pimps".
[QUOTE=IndyBobby;6799552]So if I'm hitting up the Dearborn clubs and I try to keep about 3 K on me is it best on the whole if the girls know that about me or should I make sure they don't know?[/QUOTE]Ill assume this was sarcasm, so I would take in 900. Let everyone know how much you have and make sure the valet guy knows there is another 2100 on the front seat.
[QUOTE=PapaPump;6799835]I'm not sure if any of you knew Dana at LS. Great girl, tall, dirty blonde hair and tattoo, 34 DDD. Unfortunately, she passed in December.[/QUOTE]Ohh noo! Thanks for the info I can only take an educated guess to what happened, I know she was only around 32 years old if that old, I always though she was gorgeous and was a bit disappointed when she got her boob job a couple years ago as I didn't think she needed it but she was happy with them, she was very engaging and always had a nice conversation with her regulars before taking them downstairs and rocking their world, I can hear her voice in my head right now, I had not seen her in about a year but am very saddened, rest in peace
It's my my first time here, also first time trying out the club scene in the metro, long story short, I had met Taylor. Nice convo, So I Went to the back with her, had a great time. Finished in her. Great skill, will repeat. Well after I still had time to spare so I thought of hanging a bit. This Lady her name was Kat approached 26 yo. She says she's from Russia. Brunette curvy. Says she want to swallow my cum. Told her I was just in the back so we agreed to do top only bb for $, specifically told her to finish and not by song count, she agreed. We went to the back. My stupid self paid her upfront. She still gave me BBBJ but after less than 10 mins she wanted to fk, and was asking fr another. 6 I said no, then she stood up and left, I didn't even nut. Tf. I went back to the floor and she was already with another customer. LOL I stayed I few minutes to finish my beer.
I could tell she was avoiding me as I was staring at her.
I'd recommend to stay away from her. Stay away from Kat.
[QUOTE=Rgv956;6800308]It's my my first time here, also first time trying out the club scene in the metro, long story short, I had met Taylor. Nice convo, So I Went to the back with her, had a great time. Finished in her. Great skill, will repeat. Well after I still had time to spare so I thought of hanging a bit. This Lady her name was Kat approached 26 yo. She says she's from Russia. Brunette curvy. Says she want to swallow my cum. Told her I was just in the back so we agreed to do top only bb for $, specifically told her to finish and not by song count, she agreed. We went to the back. My stupid self paid her upfront. She still gave me BBBJ but after less than 10 mins she wanted to fk, and was asking fr another. 6 I said no, then she stood up and left, I didn't even nut. Tf. I went back to the floor and she was already with another customer. LOL I stayed I few minutes to finish my beer.
I could tell she was avoiding me as I was staring at her.
I'd recommend to stay away from her. Stay away from Kat.[/QUOTE]Yes, once they have your money upfront no reason for them to finish the job, never ever pay upfront. If the dancer asks for pymt upfront usually a red flag that VIP will not be good.
[QUOTE=IndyBobby;6799552]So if I'm hitting up the Dearborn clubs and I try to keep about 3 K on me is it best on the whole if the girls know that about me or should I make sure they don't know?[/QUOTE]Your best bet is to make sure its all in hundreds, and pull out your grip every time you interact with a person at the club. Especially the girls. Will help you build an unforgettable night.
[QUOTE=Rgv956;6800308]It's my my first time here, also first time trying out the club scene in the metro, long story short, I had met Taylor. Nice convo, So I Went to the back with her, had a great time. Finished in her. Great skill, will repeat..[/QUOTE]Is this describing a bbfscip or finishing in the cover inside her?
[QUOTE=HarryDude;6800156]A few things. That sounds like your a make it rain type clubber, make way too much money, or are horrible with savings so spend like mad. If the middle, good for you, if you're not maximizing your retirement accounts I'd set aside more for that, less strippers just my. 02. I certainly wouldn't let a stripper know you have that much, you're a target to get robbed, pick pocketed etc. 3 k in hundreds isn't too thick of a stack and easier to manage but if 20 $ is quite obvious a large stack in your pockets.
Me I set my budget to $200-300 and try to get 1 or 2 FS rounds. If only 1 round I have cash left when I leave.
When I first started visiting and getting extras I went to LS and Legends, or the 8 mile consuming obviously pre curtains years. I would use the ATM there and would spend way too much for a single session, drinks etc. More mature me with a lot more responsibilities and use for money I like the lower end clubs and find no big VIP tax, no valet etc to be refreshing. Sure the chicks are not as hot and I sometimes leave without a VIP session, but I still have fun.[/QUOTE]It's all play money. The reason I ask is that I recently moved to Kentucky and down there it is tricky to get them to peel from their regulars unless they know you got more cash. Reading this board though it seems that they are shrewd negotiators so I so thank you for all these responses. I will probably leave all about 500 in my room. I will be up that way in April so thanks again for the input and as to why I like to have as much as I do it's just that I don't ever want to run into an opportunity that I would have to say no to you never know what opportunity will show up out of the blue.
[QUOTE=Rgv956;6800308]It's my my first time here, also first time trying out the club scene in the metro, long story short, I had met Taylor. Nice convo, So I Went to the back with her, had a great time. Finished in her. Great skill, will repeat. Well after I still had time to spare so I thought of hanging a bit. This Lady her name was Kat approached 26 yo. She says she's from Russia. Brunette curvy. Says she want to swallow my cum. Told her I was just in the back so we agreed to do top only bb for $, specifically told her to finish and not by song count, she agreed. We went to the back. My stupid self paid her upfront. She still gave me BBBJ but after less than 10 mins she wanted to fk, and was asking fr another. 6 I said no, then she stood up and left, I didn't even nut. Tf. I went back to the floor and she was already with another customer. LOL I stayed I few minutes to finish my beer.
I could tell she was avoiding me as I was staring at her.
I'd recommend to stay away from her. Stay away from Kat.[/QUOTE]Why should I avoid Kat? There wouldn't have been a problem if you hadn't paid first. I never, never, pay first. I'd guess 80% of the girls will screw you if you pay first.
[QUOTE=Rgv956;6800308] This Lady her name was Kat approached 26 yo. She says she's from Russia. Brunette curvy. Says she want to swallow my cum. Told her I was just in the back so we agreed to do top only bb for $, specifically told her to finish and not by song count, she agreed. We went to the back. My stupid self paid her upfront. She still gave me BBBJ but after less than 10 mins she wanted to fk, and was asking fr another. 6 I said no, then she stood up and left, I didn't even nut.
I'd recommend to stay away from her. Stay away from Kat.[/QUOTE]This is a common scam I call the unintended upgrade. You negotiate for a BJ and while back there she tries to stick it in. After you're finished she demands more money, sometimes something ridiculous like 600. Best to always stick with the plan.
[QUOTE=IndyBobby;6801262]It's all play money. The reason I ask is that I recently moved to Kentucky and down there it is tricky to get them to peel from their regulars unless they know you got more cash. Reading this board though it seems that they are shrewd negotiators so I so thank you for all these responses. I will probably leave all about 500 in my room. I will be up that way in April so thanks again for the input and as to why I like to have as much as I do it's just that I don't ever want to run into an opportunity that I would have to say no to you never know what opportunity will show up out of the blue.[/QUOTE]Oh yes, don't over think it here, the girls are very up front what's available, I still think 2500 is too much to bring in at one time. Maybe do a run to the car to replenish but I'd not carry that much in, for reasons mentioned. A lot of seedy people in the cities where the clubs are, the girls are equally as seedy. Not all obviously, but I don't recall meeting one I'd bring home to Mom LOL. KY is pretty safe if you avoid meth and the likes, Inkster is far more dangerous than any city I've visited in KY. Not to scare you off, I've never had issues, but I also don't go at night, cause issues, get road rage etc. I've stayed in every part of KY Bowling Green, Louisville, Lexington, Covington, Florence, Frankfort, Bardnstown, and smaller cities went through a bourbon phase LOL. Not once day or night did I feel uncomfortable.
Tell the dancer what you want to do, she'll day an amount, either accept or counter offer. Set the rules, no song count, cash after service like you'll be surprised at the miles you can get and value for the dollar.
[QUOTE=Rgv956;6800308]It's my my first time here, also first time trying out the club scene in the metro, long story short, I had met Taylor. Nice convo, So I Went to the back with her, had a great time. Finished in her. Great skill, will repeat. Well after I still had time to spare so I thought of hanging a bit. This Lady her name was Kat approached 26 yo. She says she's from Russia. Brunette curvy. Says she want to swallow my cum. Told her I was just in the back so we agreed to do top only bb for $, specifically told her to finish and not by song count, she agreed. We went to the back. My stupid self paid her upfront. She still gave me BBBJ but after less than 10 mins she wanted to fk, and was asking fr another. 6 I said no, then she stood up and left, I didn't even nut. Tf. I went back to the floor and she was already with another customer. LOL I stayed I few minutes to finish my beer.
I could tell she was avoiding me as I was staring at her.
I'd recommend to stay away from her. Stay away from Kat.[/QUOTE]near 10 minute BJ is a long time, with the effort she put in I would have no problem seeing Kat!!
[QUOTE=HarryDude;6801501]Inkster is far more dangerous than any city I've visited in KY. Not to scare you off, I've never had issues, but I also don't go at night, cause issues, get road rage etc. [/QUOTE]I have a different perspective, I don't think it is particularly dangerous unless you are doing something stupid. I go almost exclusively at night. The clubs are full with guys who look old and feeble. I could likely easily beat them up, and I am a pretty wimpy guy.
As long as you don't get out of control drunk and pick with fights with people, you will be fine.
MM.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;6801783]I have a different perspective, I don't think it is particularly dangerous unless you are doing something stupid. I go almost exclusively at night. The clubs are full with guys who look old and feeble. I could likely easily beat them up, and I am a pretty wimpy guy.
As long as you don't get out of control drunk and pick with fights with people, you will be fine.
MM.[/QUOTE]Ya unless he plans to hang out at the gas stations, neighborhoods and run down motels then he should be fine.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;6801783]I have a different perspective, I don't think it is particularly dangerous unless you are doing something stupid. I go almost exclusively at night. The clubs are full with guys who look old and feeble. I could likely easily beat them up, and I am a pretty wimpy guy.
As long as you don't get out of control drunk and pick with fights with people, you will be fine.
MM.[/QUOTE]Agree once inside in unless you get stupid we're fine. Aside from getting a rob or possibly a bf / handler finds out about a lot of cash, who knows what's setup can occur.
I was referring to the area getting in my case I'm 40 minutes freeway get off at mi ave in Canton and it gradually gets rust worse. Wayne isn't bad but once you cross into Inkster it just is rough. Fbi stats on the city are not too positive LOL.
[QUOTE=GuyDetroit;6801953]Ya unless he plans to hang out at the gas stations, neighborhoods and run down motels then he should be fine.[/QUOTE]Perfect example to share about the area to someone non local. Get gas in another area, etc.
[QUOTE=HarryDude;6801501]Oh yes, don't over think it here, the girls are very up front what's available, I still think 2500 is too much to bring in at one time. Maybe do a run to the car to replenish but I'd not carry that much in, for reasons mentioned. A lot of seedy people in the cities where the clubs are, the girls are equally as seedy. Not all obviously, but I don't recall meeting one I'd bring home to Mom LOL. KY is pretty safe if you avoid meth and the likes, Inkster is far more dangerous than any city I've visited in KY. Not to scare you off, I've never had issues, but I also don't go at night, cause issues, get road rage etc. I've stayed in every part of KY Bowling Green, Louisville, Lexington, Covington, Florence, Frankfort, Bardnstown, and smaller cities went through a bourbon phase LOL. Not once day or night did I feel uncomfortable.
Tell the dancer what you want to do, she'll day an amount, either accept or counter offer. Set the rules, no song count, cash after service like you'll be surprised at the miles you can get and value for the dollar.[/QUOTE]DO NOT WORRY about safety in Inkster (or Dearborn). Bogart's & Flight Club are right on Michigan Avenue which is a huge, 4 lanes in each direction boulevard. Each club it totally self contained with its own parking lot and no neighbors. FC has mandatory valet, and a ton of visible security.
Same with Henry VIII North, which is just around the corner from those on Middlebelt which is a major, 2 lanes in each direction road. H8 N has it's own fenced in parking lot, and is next to a small neighborhood of basic, single family homes.
Silver Criket & BT's are in the next town over, Dearborn, which further east on Michigan Ave towards the city of Detroit. Both are perfectly safe. Criket has it's own private, fenced in parking lot in back with visible security in the lot and club, and is next to a McDonald's, a BBQ restaurant, and near a motel. Three years ago at 2 am there was a shooting outside Criket that apparently stemmed from a fight inside, that's the only reported violence I've ever heard of there.
BT's has mandatory valet, but you can always park in the lot immediately east of it which services a grocery store, couple of restaurants, and other light retail. It is in front of a normal, middle class neighborhood of single family homes.
[QUOTE=HarryDude;6802032]Perfect example to share about the area to someone non local. Get gas in another area, etc.[/QUOTE]I always fill up at the big Citgo on Michigan Ave, just west of John Daly. Besides being the cheapest fuel around it is huge, well lit, and has security. I've filled up there all times of day including at midnight and never felt unsafe or threatened. There is nothing to worry about.
About fourteen dancers at Criket. Overall, an okay looking lineup. Angel is early-30's, white, dark hair with highlights, small tits, and a slender-ish build. Her VIP performance was worthwhile, although a bit mechanical. I might repeat. She isn't the Latina Angel from BT's day shift.
Nine dancers at Subi's. The talent level reminded me of Criket. Entice is late-20's, black, dark hair, large natural tits, and a medium build. She provided a great VIP experience. I'd repeat.
Session details and donations resemble my previous reports.
Some good notes here on being a traveler heading to Detroit clubs. Things I'll add, having flown in and rented a car, flown in and Uber'd and driven as an out-of-stater in my own vehicle:
1. There are probably few to no issues during the day, though it's never a bad idea to still be smart.
2. I'll echo the "stick to the main roads" thing. The clubs are all on main thoroughfares. There have been stories in the past about guys who have gone off the beaten path for one reason or another and had bad things happen. Stick to the main roads and you'll be fine. The roads are big enough that nothing's going to happen you can't see coming and avoid. If you're squeamish, fine, fill up in one of the suburbs first and keep your eyes forward the whole trip.
3. I know there's another poster here who rails against valets, their costs, the fights he gets in with the guys involved with them, how they can "refuse to give you your car back" and whatever, but seriously, especially if you're out of town, use them if you're driving. The alternative, if you're driving, is parking on some side street and walking a decent distance, probably with a bunch of money on you, which ain't smart.
4. If you can help it, drive something inconspicuous. Ain't no one going to jack your rusted Accord with 200,000 miles or your two-door rental Prius.
5. Take only the cash you're going to spend. ATM fees in some of these places are crazy, so take enough, but no more. Think realistically about how much that amount is going to be. The most I ever dropped in a night was probably $1,100, most of which was on takeout with a pair of ladies. I once finished three times in a night in a single club for less than a grand. I mean, yeah, maybe you're a bigger baller who wants to flash more cash or buy out a girl for the night or whatever, but the advice still applies. And, just like with the last point, the flashier you are, the bigger the target that might end up on your back.
6. Don't bring trouble upon yourself. Remember everyone in the building and on and around the surrounding roads is a person who deserves some respect. Party under control, whatever your poison may be.
7. On the flip side of the last point, if anything at all starts not feeling right, usually in the form of a dancer trying to rip you off somehow, trust your instinct and bail. Maybe pay the agreed price first, but no more, then bail. Calmly and under control, but still, bail. Cooler heads will prevail in any dispute, plus, more than likely, the dancer's been a problem before. Calmly bailing makes it clear you're not trying to skip out on anything, but also not interested in what she's selling. Don't try to salvage a situation where you're being upsold or made to do something you don't want to do.
I get that my personality is different than many others in that I take a more tactical approach to clubbing, but I also think that's just the smart thing to do all the time. I've had bad experiences at Detroit clubs, but never anything life-altering. I think, like anything, you just got to be smart.
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;6803024]About fourteen dancers at Criket. Overall, an okay looking lineup.[/QUOTE]Is Hazel still around on day shift at Criket? I always wanted to see her. I keep missing her.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6803080]
3. I know there's another poster here who rails against valets, their costs, the fights he gets in with the guys involved with them, how they can "refuse to give you your car back" and whatever, but seriously, especially if you're out of town, use them if you're driving. The alternative, if you're driving, is parking on some side street and walking a decent distance, probably with a bunch of money on you, which ain't smart.
[/QUOTE]I'm an anti-valet guy. The problem is at landing strip ot flight club they won't let you in in you park on a side street, they require you to surrender your keys. It's so you can't just bail if you don't like how things are going because they have your keys. I have heard that they will let you uber in.
These places are brothels, they're quasi-legal. They're allowed to operate because the cops are being paid off. If cops are called, by you or the club, they'll say "he was drunk and. ", you lose. The clubs will always side with the dancer, regardless. This is just my opinion, do what you want.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6803080]Some good notes here on being a traveler heading to Detroit clubs. Things I'll add, having flown in and rented a car, flown in and Uber'd and driven as an out-of-stater in my own vehicle:
1. There are probably few to no issues during the day, though it's never a bad idea to still be smart.
2. I'll echo the "stick to the main roads" thing. The clubs are all on main thoroughfares. There have been stories in the past about guys who have gone off the beaten path for one reason or another and had bad things happen. Stick to the main roads and you'll be fine. The roads are big enough that nothing's going to happen you can't see coming and avoid. If you're squeamish, fine, fill up in one of the suburbs first and keep your eyes forward the whole trip.
3. I know there's another poster here who rails against valets, their costs, the fights he gets in with the guys involved with them, how they can "refuse to give you your car back" and whatever, but seriously, especially if you're out of town, use them if you're driving. The alternative, if you're driving, is parking on some side street and walking a decent distance, probably with a bunch of money on you, which ain't smart.
4. If you can help it, drive something inconspicuous. Ain't no one going to jack your rusted Accord with 200,000 miles or your two-door rental Prius.
5. Take only the cash you're going to spend. ATM fees in some of these places are crazy, so take enough, but no more. Think realistically about how much that amount is going to be. The most I ever dropped in a night was probably $1,100, most of which was on takeout with a pair of ladies. I once finished three times in a night in a single club for less than a grand. I mean, yeah, maybe you're a bigger baller who wants to flash more cash or buy out a girl for the night or whatever, but the advice still applies. And, just like with the last point, the flashier you are, the bigger the target that might end up on your back.
6. Don't bring trouble upon yourself. Remember everyone in the building and on and around the surrounding roads is a person who deserves some respect. Party under control, whatever your poison may be.
7. On the flip side of the last point, if anything at all starts not feeling right, usually in the form of a dancer trying to rip you off somehow, trust your instinct and bail. Maybe pay the agreed price first, but no more, then bail. Calmly and under control, but still, bail. Cooler heads will prevail in any dispute, plus, more than likely, the dancer's been a problem before. Calmly bailing makes it clear you're not trying to skip out on anything, but also not interested in what she's selling. Don't try to salvage a situation where you're being upsold or made to do something you don't want to do.
I get that my personality is different than many others in that I take a more tactical approach to clubbing, but I also think that's just the smart thing to do all the time. I've had bad experiences at Detroit clubs, but never anything life-altering. I think, like anything, you just got to be smart.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;6803684]I'm an anti-valet guy. The problem is at landing strip ot flight club they won't let you in in you park on a side street, they require you to surrender your keys. It's so you can't just bail if you don't like how things are going because they have your keys. I have heard that they will let you uber in.
These places are brothels, they're quasi-legal. They're allowed to operate because the cops are being paid off. If cops are called, by you or the club, they'll say "he was drunk and. ", you lose. The clubs will always side with the dancer, regardless. This is just my opinion, do what you want.[/QUOTE]I've never been to strip club, and after reading this, I won't bother. If you're just looking for sex, why not venture elsewhere such as a streetwalker or online? It just seems that there's too many rules and many ways to get robbed.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;6803684]I'm an anti-valet guy. The problem is at landing strip ot flight club they won't let you in in you park on a side street, they require you to surrender your keys. It's so you can't just bail if you don't like how things are going because they have your keys. I have heard that they will let you uber in.
These places are brothels, they're quasi-legal. They're allowed to operate because the cops are being paid off. If cops are called, by you or the club, they'll say "he was drunk and. ", you lose. The clubs will always side with the dancer, regardless. This is just my opinion, do what you want.[/QUOTE]I am not looking to re-start the discussion on the of valet. I agree the anti-valet guys make valid points. I am bad judge since I almost always have a rental car and I don't care who drives it. However I always valet park and I never had a serious problem. Do I think people have rifled through things in the car?, yes I do. I don't leave anything of value in the car. I have often have loose change between 1 and 2 dollars in the car. It has always been there when I come back.
I go to BTs more often than the other clubs, and I have gotten to know several of the valet guys and found them to be honest hard working people. I one time left my phone in the car, and the valet guy came into the club and gave it to me. I gave an extra tip for that.
There is no benefit to calling the cops. You should never do that at the club. The club will never do it either unless you do something like shooting a gun. The club would rather just kick you out if you behave badly. However the club is aware of the dancers who cheat customers and the ones who don't. This is bad business for the club. If she satisfies the first 100 guys and has a problem with you. Then the club will side with the dancer. However you complain about a dancer and other guys have also complained about her, they will side with you.
I complained about two of the three dancers who tried to cheat me. The dancer said I owed them for more songs than I said I did. When I got the club involved, in both cases I asked the VIP attendant how many songs we were back there and said the dancer and I have a disagreement. I didn't say how many I thought or how many she thought. And in both cases the guys number was the same as mine. So I paid the girl, and the club supported me. One of the girls then said that she charges $30 a song not $25. I said that was not disclosed to me until this moment, and again the club supported me.
For the third girl the problem didn't happen until we were on the 9th song. So I paid her the $200 we negotiated even though she didn't fulfill her part of the bargain, and I chalked it up that sometimes you get cheated.
If you get drunk or act belligerent than don't expect the club to support you. I repeat do not call the police, just leave calmly, and say you don't want any trouble, because they don't want any trouble either. However if someone (Dancer, waitress, other customer, or club manager) cheats you treats you badly. Ask to speak to one of the other managers and politely state your case and explain why you think you were cheated. If you make a reasonable points you should expect the club to side with you. I have found that to be the case in the majority of my disputes.
I will also point out that I only have a dispute maybe one out of every 10 or 12 visits. As new face many girl will try to hustle you, because you are fresh meat.
MM.