Locals generally avoid these two places.
[QUOTE=TwoBlueBalls;4161599]Forgot to mention I went back to Shanghai still glowing from my time at Macau. Saw the same skinny dude at the front and asked if I could see the girls again. He told me I'm not welcome at their place. I think the first time I was there, he saw me going to the other spas after he so graciously allowed me to preview his girls and leave. Hopefully he's gone or doesn't recognize me on my next visit. I'm even more curious now that I've been denied.[/QUOTE]But you have every right to spend your money in whatever way you want. I went to shanghai once and it was the most pricey place for any level of service. I will never repeat.