Korean Bar Reports

[QUOTE=Oldee;1177302]I'm curious to get the thoughts and perspectives from you young and new to kb guys regarding Wanglung's post. Lots of good general advice by the vets and I hope Wanglung will read them. I couldn't answer cause to me his question was just too broad and could mean anything, from watching what goes on to actually participating in the 'games'.[/QUOTE]Funny that you mention games as there is a Sony Playstation 3 game called Yakuza 4 where you can go to hostess bars and "win" a bar girls "love." You even have to buy her gifts and $$$ champaign to gain her affection. Hell the money may be virtual but when I played it I get the same cringe when dropping cash. The girls in the game are real people famous in japan, one of the girls is the av star Rio (tina yuzuki). Anyway search "yakuza 4 hostess bar" in youtube youll see what I mean.

Anyway wanglung should try this game, if he can't handle spending virtual money, don't bother with the real thing, LOL. Thats my advice to him haha.

[QUOTE=Pursuer;1178446]Dang, Oldee, you sound like me haha. Yeah all the bg's in bars I regularly patronize know I don't buy drinks, so they leave me alone. A few of the new bg's will approach, probably told by the oldtimers,"told you" after I politely decline their offer of me buying them a drink. Most consider me a "cheap charlie". I do make up any drink the bartender buys for me with a tip in kind plus the regular tip. Same with food (house pupus are a thing of the past).[/QUOTE]Tipping fairly and being a "cheap charlie" is a good thing, or what I like to say, being a "Not-stupid Norman". Pay for what you get and don't for what you don't get. Simple yah! You do it all the time in your regular life. You can always be nice to the girls and decline politely. You know why they are there, so there really is no surprise if they ask for a drink. There is no shame for not buying a drink and taking up space at the bar. You know the bartenders are trying to save those seats for their customers, but you can sit there if you choose to get the occasional WTF stare. It's all the charm of a KB. Your local guy guilt versus their kgb non-guilt. Like it or don't like it, it's your choice. Why would anyone want to give up the charm of Chinese brian at camelot and sit at a table. Anyway, it's not like the j-bars where they have table charges. So enjoy the view, tip fair, have fun, and if you want to spend a $20 for a quick squeeze, go for it. But when small norman says, hey that one looks hot, tell him mr. Hand is free, nd you don't want him to have to ride home next to his two blue buddies downstairs. . . Just wait for AMP nite out.

I'm STUPID, or what I like to call mostly Level1 Stupid: someone that goes kb / vb / jb. I simply enjoy the atmosphere and sometimes pupus. Someone not stupid would be someone that doesn't go at all. I am sometimes Level 2 Stupid: someone that occasionaly buys drinks when feeling good or in the mood. Fortunately, I am never Level 3 Stupid: someone who cannot say no even if they not enjoying themselves or like the girl that asks. I'm sure ILTW or Uki can expound on this group more than me tho. Level 4 Stupid: someone that falls for the bg and spends choke $ on the bg, sometimes even if they don't get any or not their bf. I beleive that level 3 and 4 guys make it less fun for us lower level guys. So guys, the next time the bg asks you for neko, ask yourself this: Am I having fun with the girl I want? Or just don't want to be thought of as cheap charlie and say yes simply because she's there? Finally, ask yourself what level Stupid am I? The choice is yours as ILTW would say.

[QUOTE=Iliketowatch;1178386]So you say 50. 1% of the guys in a kb are married or have a gf? I always thought is was around 20. Sad to think they are doing exactly what the kbg's are doing. Playing both sides of the fence, trying to have their korean pancake and eat it too. Between kb stints, when I had normal relationships, I never went to the bars. Why would you, if you're getting it at home? Although I do know a few bar friends who married bar girls and I see them back drinking in the bars. When I ask them, what, not married anymore? They say, no still married, she just lets me go out if I want to. After the knot was tied, no sex, so she said go get your thrills in the bar if you want. Typical korean black widow trend. Marry for security, no give in to sex (probably getting some from a korean guy when he's at work) , no care if he plays in the bar because he has to come home or lose half his riches in a divorce. I tell them just divorce her and cut your loses. He says, no can. Does this sound familiar? Cannot cut loses. Cannot just let it go. It's the bar guys MO. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, neva listen to Uki and Oldee.[/QUOTE]WOw that's totally awesome he has a wife at the Korean Bar. Nothing wrong with it. Good for him. I guess if I ever see them both at a party at least I can say " Your wife felt pretty good, and the BJ was OK".

Thats the worst feeling knowing that your friend was feeling up your wife and all. LOL

Lets get real here.

"You can take the girl out of the bars. But you can't take the Bar out of the girl"

Its rough and all. But it a terrible feeling that you know how many guys felt up your wife and she is just smiling and drunk. The KB girls all say they hate the jobs and all that's why they drink. To get drunk and don't feel anything. The nyou come and she still push you for a drink. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Oldee;1178642]I'm STUPID, or what I like to call mostly Level1 Stupid: someone that goes kb / vb / jb. I simply enjoy the atmosphere and sometimes pupus. Someone not stupid would be someone that doesn't go at all. I am sometimes Level 2 Stupid: someone that occasionaly buys drinks when feeling good or in the mood. Fortunately, I am never Level 3 Stupid: someone who cannot say no even if they not enjoying themselves or like the girl that asks. I'm sure ILTW or Uki can expound on this group more than me tho. Level 4 Stupid: someone that falls for the bg and spends choke $ on the bg, sometimes even if they don't get any or not their bf. I beleive that level 3 and 4 guys make it less fun for us lower level guys. So guys, the next time the bg asks you for neko, ask yourself this: Am I having fun with the girl I want? Or just don't want to be thought of as cheap charlie and say yes simply because she's there? Finally, ask yourself what level Stupid am I? The choice is yours as ILTW would say.[/QUOTE]Level 5 Stupid: Wire 1000's to her account in Korea. Or is that Level 10?

[QUOTE=H Mobius;1178737]Level 5 Stupid: Wire 1000's to her account in Korea. Or is that Level 10?[/QUOTE]LOL, that when crack me up BIG TIME, altho I hope wasnt you or anyone here. Yes, I do believe it qualifies as Level 5 altho Aflack may have posted an example of an even higher Level.

[QUOTE=Pursuer;1178446]A few of the new bg's will approach, probably told by the oldtimers,"told you" after I politely decline their offer of me buying them a drink. Most consider me a "cheap charlie".[/QUOTE]Heh, I'm like that to. I want the BGs to see how they can get me to buy her a drink. I know they don't need me and my $ to buy them a drink which is fine with me. They got their regulars. But, some girls make me want to buy them a drink. I'm going to offer her the next drink before she even asks. BGs see alot of typical customers that they can predict and categorize. Well, some of us customers are like that to with you BGs. We get bored and tired of the fact that a BG goes through her typical routine lines, tricks and tactics. It gets old. Same old same old. Especially if you are a customer who is not new to the barscene. I want to see a BG throw me off guard, which will make me want to buy her a drink. She doesn't necessarily have to be cute or hot looking. It's the approach. Heh, or maybe I should say no approach. I'll let you BGs figure this one. Some of you might already know this because some were able to get me to buy them a drink.

[QUOTE=H Mobius;1178737]Level 5 Stupid: Wire 1000's to her account in Korea. Or is that Level 10?[/QUOTE]I like mobi's grading system. You know I'm a numbers guy. %'s have got to me in deep water here. I guess my ranting all started about 2-3 years ago when the reports were mainly about the kb's and kbg's. Reports like: where's the next grand opening, who changing ownership, where's the best pupus, who has new girls, where the players have moved to, who jumps tables, how many fingers I got to use for a drink, etc, etc. Then things started to change and the reports were about being ROBed. I have no business telling anyone how to spend their money. Some can afford to drop thousands and are fine with it. To each his own. Spend as you please. You know the game. Going to the kb's with high hopes and low self-esteem is always dangerous. Some of us find it a high. Just don't cry on this forum, or cry to me at the bar when you get taken. There is a thread for ROB's. But like I said before, they're all ROB's if you let them be one. We can get rid off all the ROB's if we didn't buy any drinks. The girls would all leave. What fun would that be. I wouldn't be entertained by all the faces of great expectations turning sour. Just don't cry when it's fourth down, and you get stuffed with an inch to go at the goal line. Her panties have been known to be the famous the steel curtain defense in the past. She will take over the ball and punt out of her end zone and you'll have 60 yards to go again. It's called bend but not break. Maybe someone can also start a thread for: "spent my salary and got squat, listen to my sob story". I just liked the thread better when is was mainly about scoring, watching the babes walk by (I like to watch) , parties, pupus (or lack thereof) , kbg sightings, new talent, new boob jobs, psycho mamas, bikini nights, and keep the sob stories to another thread. This is my wish, not an ultimatum. I didn't start this thread so I must only humbly suggest. There is no crying in the kb bar business (except the old drunk girls). Just be like me, go home and cry alone when plans go astray.

[QUOTE=Iliketowatch;1178779]There is no crying in the kb bar business (except the old drunk girls). Just be like me, go home and cry alone when plans go astray.[/QUOTE]

Well said. I refuse to complain about being ripped off because in my mind, it is an admission of defeat.

I know I am certifiably stupid, but not sure what level I fit in. When I was young, dumb and full of income, I sure disposed of a lot of disposable income in KBs. But I did learn from my experiences and risking the ire and scorn of my fellow forum members here, will confess to some boorish behavior.

At some point, I did realize that there was nothing personal. The KBG was not screwing me out of my cash because she disliked me. It's just business. So I looked at it the same way. I want to dip my beak too, so I play their game in reverse.

When a BG started ordering drinks without asking me first, I told her once that I did not order the drink."No worry, honey" was the response. Cool. License to kill. Have a big ol' time including stink finger and she gets drunk. Crosseyed drunk. Knee-walking, porcelain hugging drunk. I head out without paying the tab. Bartender stops me on the way out so I tell her that I gave the girl the money and to collect from her because I didn't know where she went.

Next time I'm there, the BG says I didn't pay. I tell her that I did give her the money, but she disappeared into one of the karaoke rooms and didn't come back with my change (which was half true). I tell her I waited as long as I could then left. She apologized for being so drunk at which I tell her she still owes me $10 change. She hands me the dime, tells the bartender to give me 2 drink markers and asks me to wait while she works another customer. Needless to say, I finished the 2 beers and walked over to another bar to spend the $10.

[QUOTE=Lumpia808; 1178571]Funny that you mention games as there is a Sony Playstation 3 game called Yakuza 4 where you can go to hostess bars and "win" a bar girls "love." You even have to buy her gifts and $$$ champaign to gain her affection. Hell the money may be virtual but when I played it I get the same cringe when dropping cash. The girls in the game are real people famous in japan, one of the girls is the av star Rio (tina yuzuki). Anyway search "yakuza 4 hostess bar" in youtube youll see what I mean.

Anyway wanglung should try this game, if he can't handle spending virtual money, don't bother with the real thing, LOL. Thats my advice to him haha. [/QUOTE]I thought you was going recommend ALOHA KB TOURS! Na, thats pretty good advice imo.

Damn, didn't know Evergreens was closed for rennovation. Had a sign stating it would be open at 4/22/11 at 2pm. Looking from the outside, its look like they going to do a pretty decent rennovation. New booths, flooring, celing.

Oh wait. Hehe you guys have mentioned its closed for rennovation earlier. My bad.

[QUOTE=Head Lock; 1178809]Well said. I refuse to complain about being ripped off because in my mind, it is an admission of defeat.

I know I am certifiably stupid, but not sure what level I fit in. When I was young, dumb and full of income, I sure disposed of a lot of disposable income in KBs. But I did learn from my experiences and risking the ire and scorn of my fellow forum members here, will confess to some boorish behavior.

At some point, I did realize that there was nothing personal. The KBG was not screwing me out of my cash because she disliked me. It's just business. So I looked at it the same way. I want to dip my beak too, so I play their game in reverse.

When a BG started ordering drinks without asking me first, I told her once that I did not order the drink."No worry, honey" was the response. Cool. License to kill. Have a big ol' time including stink finger and she gets drunk. Crosseyed drunk. Knee-walking, porcelain hugging drunk. I head out without paying the tab. Bartender stops me on the way out so I tell her that I gave the girl the money and to collect from her because I didn't know where she went.

Next time I'm there, the BG says I didn't pay. I tell her that I did give her the money, but she disappeared into one of the karaoke rooms and didn't come back with my change (which was half true). I tell her I waited as long as I could then left. She apologized for being so drunk at which I tell her she still owes me $10 change. She hands me the dime, tells the bartender to give me 2 drink markers and asks me to wait while she works another customer. Needless to say, I finished the 2 beers and walked over to another bar to spend the $10.[/QUOTE]HL, you are the master! The best I've ever seen!

[QUOTE=NinjaLurker;1179033]HL, you are the master! The best I've ever seen![/QUOTE]Haha. Good one HL. Reversing the game is something dear to my heart, hehe. BTW, I thought we go bar to COMMIT SIN! I highly doubt you going find non sinners here, LOL.

[QUOTE=NinjaLurker;1179033]HL, you are the master! The best I've ever seen![/QUOTE]The real funny part is that I still see these people and they never figured it out. The other lesson to come out of this is to never get drunk if you are mongering. In the same way you lose control of your car, you will lose control of the BG. You will also want to manage the BG's buzz. No point in getting her so loaded that she falls asleep with her face in your lap.

So we went to Splash the past weekend. Really cute young (late 20's) girl named Jessica sat with my friend. Held a good conversation with all of us and didn't hustle my friend for drinks. Kinda suprised because usually the young one's tend to hustle. She spoke fairly good english and she has a tat on her arm (hardly see an kbg with tats). Also seen another young girl at Splash but she was busy with a customer, next time I'll try to sit with her.

Really like the service at Splash, waiter tends to the table often, one of the hostess / mama (julie?) was cool with us about checking up ever now and then if or when we wanted company. Nice positive vibe. Unlike some place (ex:camelot) where half the time we site ourselves, hardly get asked if we want company, get weird stares from everybody.