"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Called last night to have a girl come over to my hotel at 8:30 am this morning. I was supposed to see a sugar baby last night, but yep no show, so I thought why not. Unfortunately the girl she sent was somebody I had seen when she was a sugar baby, probably a bunch of you have too.

She said her name was Kelly, but I think she was Brittany on SA, nurse with two kids, brought her bag of condoms with her and kind of rushed things when she was a sugar baby. She was one who would make up profiles or have two at a time, she eventually blocked me there cause I would message her on a new profile and she say, hey this is Brittany, and then I wasn't interested. Not as foxy as the rest of them on the sirensva site either. So anyway she asked if I wanted to see her and I said since we have already, not really, she said ok and left. I quickly called back and let her know the story as I don't want to mess things up and not be able to get somebody else later. She said she understood. Definitely will check out again.

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;4548959]Can you share what was the damage for an hour?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=VetSD;4548717]I googled SirensVA. I think it's dotcom. Apparently, SA has become saturated with the same 200 guys and the same 200 girls putting up new profiles every 6 months, so the SBs are desperate, especially during the Holidays. A woman opened a company and is trying to hire every SugarBaby in VA. They're based in Richmond, but they send girls all over Virginia. They're moving into DC and NC. This lady is offering the SBs huge incentives and safety and they're all flocking to her when they get fed up with the site. I saw a girl last night. 19 years old. Could bounce a quarter off her ass. Gorgeous, bubbly, eager to please. Didn't have to spend endless hours texting and getting ghosted.[/QUOTE]I saw a girl last night, totally hot. Long blonde hair. Only works occasionally. I think they charge 160-180 if its a one on one and you're in the Richmond area. We played around and talked before we started bangin in the shower. She said a bunch the girls got off the site because they were being stalked.

There are definitely all kinds on SA and I met a real gem yesterday. I messaged her last week, took her a day or two to get back to me but we exchanged messages on SA for a bit and then moved to texting. She's a mid-30's professional woman (still more than 10 years younger than I am), pics she shared showed a beautiful face and a nice bikini shot. Says she's a busy professional woman not looking for a relationship or a needy, demanding guy, just someone she's attracted to for some occasional good times. No mention of money at all. Arranged a meet & greet in Short Pump yesterday afternoon, she was there before me and was just as beautiful in person as her pics. Greeted me with a nice warm hug and I couldn't help noticing how stacked she was on top of having a great figure. Great conversationalist between normal topics and some sexual. Turns out she's not interested in receiving money at all, the fact that I was about the only guy on SA who didn't offer her money was the reason she met with me before closing her account yesterday. She's also equally into women as she is into men and asked if I like threesomes (FFM) and FC will be her house. Told me the hottest thing ever would be her getting eaten out by her lady friend while I fuck her friend from behind. We both had to be somewhere else afterwards so no visit to the FC this time be we made plans for next week. Gave her a nice deep kiss before leaving and she texted me later to tell me how wet that made her, along with a nice full nude pic. Sexted a big longer, then she said she was going to play with herself thinking about me. Totally different scenario than 99% of the girls on SA but right up my alley.

As an aside, no offense to any of you but there are some really sick fucks on SA from what some of these girls have told me LOL. She said one guy offered her money to watch him suck his buddy's dick. Another girl told me about a guy who wanted to put his dick in an apple and have her stomp on it. Not judging anyone but no wonder a lot of these girls get jaded.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4548205]I'll definitely review as soon as we're done. I don't think I will have a favorable review of this one. My expectations are really high because I have seen some amazing 18-19 yo's over the past few months and this one just feels like a professional sb which isn't my thing. That mixed with the fact that I negotiated her down to a point she didn't want to see me for usually means the experience will be sub par.
[/QUOTE]Quick update, I ended up not seeing her. She was ready and I canceled. I just wasn't feeling it yesterday so I asked her to send me some pics to entice me to see her and she sent a few pics of her bent over in a thong with her cheeks spread and I just wasn't impressed because that isn't really the look that I'm willing to pay for. If any of you guys want the pics and her contact information let me know. She's definitely willing to meet at the FC and I negotiated her down to $2. 5.

I've also messaged a few girls and received messages back that they have applied to SirensVA and were hoping to be working for them soon. I think it's just the lady making fake profiles trying to advertise her new service although one of the girls wrote me several positive messages and then said oh never mind, I see that you're under 40 and I don't mess with sd's under 40 and she blocked me.

[QUOTE=BillCullen;4548351]I had m&g set up near regency, no money was discussed but she ghosted a couple hours before the meeting.[/QUOTE]I talked to her for a week and then she ghosted. Can't take the ghosting.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4549241][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f3a1201-232a-46d2-9dc6-a1bc5c2d8193[/URL]

If any of you guys can pull it off I highly recommend her if shes stable. Shes 51 and weighs 100 pounds. Small but perky tits. Beautiful ass and the view from the back is what dreams are made of. Ill share her number with senior members that have an equally quality to trade me.[/QUOTE]Is there a catch? Is she difficult to deal with? Does she beg for more money?

[QUOTE=BigOne73;4550245]Is there a catch? Is she difficult to deal with? Does she beg for more money?[/QUOTE]Read my post from a few days ago about her. She bailed in the middle of being plowed.

Is her profile still active? When I click the link it says it's gone. Did she block me?

I rejoined SA 2 weeks ago (I only join for a month twice a year). Seems that the college girls (ages 18-23) are populating the SA scene. Most have silly, stupid profiles that say "I want money" or "if you're not in it for money don't contact me. " Also the usual group of scammers (can you meet today, I can sell you pics, videos, etc.) Had one girl post only a pic of her fat ass (wearing jeans) whose profile said "I need money. " She had the nerve to contact me with "hey" and I set her straight about her shitass profile etc. She deleted herself pronto.

But. With some culling, one can find some gems. I found a 25 year old "mixed" girl (black + Puerto Rican). She is a beautiful color and has the sweetest face and beautiful hair. Just my type, about 4 ft 11 and 90 pounds, tiny pussy and even smaller ass, but perfect boobs and nipples. First meeting was in the FC, she made it clear what would make her cum (oral plus FIV) and then rode me for some time (and made a lot of noise). But she is not on birth control, so she finished me with her hand when I got close. This girl is sweet. Second visit to FC was yesterday, and I asked her if she had even been ass fucked. Nope, "but you can do it". I took my time loosening her up with fingers and lube and then slipped my dick in. She grunted and groaned a bit but told me I wasn't hurting her. I ended up blowing my load in her ass, which is a great substitute for her fertile pussy for now (but we discussed her going on some contraception if this turns into a long term thing). 1.5 PPM is worth it.

So, it is a Happy Thankgiving for me. I have 2 more subscription weeks and a couple of M&Gs set up. I think there is one more high FC potential (Asian girl who was born and raised in Siberia wow). So time will tell.

Picture attached.

From Upstate NY. GG.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4550498]Read my post from a few days ago about her. She bailed in the middle of being plowed.

Is her profile still active? When I click the link it says it's gone. Did she block me?[/QUOTE]Her profile is gone.

[QUOTE=BillCullen;4550534]Her profile is gone.[/QUOTE]Thanks. If she had blocked me and was back on Seeking that would have thrown a wrench in my whole assessment of what happened. 🤣129315;. Such a shame she couldn't handle the whole thing. I would have thrown so much cash at her anytime she wanted it her life would have changed. She was perfection in my eyes. That innocent look she gave me staring into my eyes while dt'ing and gagging on my cock was priceless.

Found the site and am very interested.

Do you think they do incall arrangements? Cannot host currently.

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;4550596]Found the site and am very interested.

Do you think they do incall arrangements? Cannot host currently.[/QUOTE]They'll send a girl to you 24 hrs a day. I have rewards and got a hotel room. Don't text though. I tried and it doesn't work. You can't get a girl through text. You have to call to get a girl.

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;4550596]Found the site and am very interested.

Do you think they do incall arrangements? Cannot host currently.[/QUOTE]Hard to say but I think Sirens will separate the Pros from the SBs. AS far as in-call I suspect that they will. Decent hotel room used many times a day probably by many girls. I can't imagine that SIrens will expect inexperienced college aged girls to host in their dorm or appartment. And I'm sure out-call will only be available to established and well vetted clients. If that is not the case I see a lot of arrests in these folks' futures.

I had an interesting message thread with a pair of very young - 19 yo. Who were advertising on SA together.

I messaged that I was interested in what they were offering and 1 of them responded that they had put in an application for Sirens and if they were hired they would no longer be on SA. I wished them good luck but told them that an agency gig would be very different than an arrangement. Much more of a straight up escort thing and that they would have no control over whom they met. I also told her that the stakes would be much higher. LE is far more interested and will throw a lot more resources at busting an organized prostitution ring than busting a couple young ladies independently trying to make party money. She responded that the woman who started Sirens used to be an SB, landed a super rich SD, lives in a mansion on River Rd and has a little black book of very wealthy powerful men so she is "untouchable" by LE. She is doing this out of the goodness of her heart to help young SBs. Provide security and privacy for only $25 per gig. She is very actively recruiting girls and hiring as many as possible. Sounds like a line straight out of "Pimping for fun and profit".

This morning I got a message from their now deactivated account that they got the job and are now agency gals so if I want to see them I can catch them there.

I think this will weed out the girls who are more interested in traditional prostitution from those looking for a casual arrangement. My guess is too that many of these girls will have awful experiences and will get out entirely.

Personally I don't want a typical escort experience. I prefer there to be a bit of a connection and an LTR aspect to it so I will probably not bother with Sirens.

I'd love to hear the forums thoughts on this.

Thanks and be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;4550970]Hard to say but I think Sirens will separate the Pros from the SBs. AS far as in-call I suspect that they will. Decent hotel room used many times a day probably by many girls. I can't imagine that SIrens will expect inexperienced college aged girls to host in their dorm or appartment. And I'm sure out-call will only be available to established and well vetted clients. If that is not the case I see a lot of arrests in these folks' futures.

I had an interesting message thread with a pair of very young - 19 yo. Who were advertising on SA together.

I messaged that I was interested in what they were offering and 1 of them responded that they had put in an application for Sirens and if they were hired they would no longer be on SA. I wished them good luck but told them that an agency gig would be very different than an arrangement. Much more of a straight up escort thing and that they would have no control over whom they met. I also told her that the stakes would be much higher. LE is far more interested and will throw a lot more resources at busting an organized prostitution ring than busting a couple young ladies independently trying to make party money. She responded that the woman who started Sirens used to be an SB, landed a super rich SD, lives in a mansion on River Rd and has a little black book of very wealthy powerful men so she is "untouchable" by LE. She is doing this out of the goodness of her heart to help young SBs. Provide security and privacy for only $25 per gig. She is very actively recruiting girls and hiring as many as possible. Sounds like a line straight out of "Pimping for fun and profit".

This morning I got a message from their now deactivated account that they got the job and are now agency gals so if I want to see them I can catch them there.

I think this will weed out the girls who are more interested in traditional prostitution from those looking for a casual arrangement. My guess is too that many of these girls will have awful experiences and will get out entirely.

Personally I don't want a typical escort experience. I prefer there to be a bit of a connection and an LTR aspect to it so I will probably not bother with Sirens.

I'd love to hear the forums thoughts on this.

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE]I'm going to guess that you were talking to HotAndReadyNow as I had the exact same conversation with her. She told me she's working for sirens now and then blocked me.

I called and unfortunately they do not do I calls.

I need to figure out how and where to get a room and then I'm definitely calling them again.

So no incall based on the last post? I guess no different than a SB, most don't host. Looks like I may be burning done hotel reward points.

The site doesn't imply FS, more a stripper site. I realize that very well may be to not irritate the local LE.

If the girls pics are accurate they are definitely in my wheelhouse. Anyone actually seen one, or at least been quoted rates?

This actually works well for me as I can't be seen in public with a young hottie. You know the saying, don't shit where you eat!

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4550974]I'm going to guess that you were talking to HotAndReadyNow as I had the exact same conversation with her. She told me she's working for sirens now and then blocked me.[/QUOTE]Thats the one. I was surprised at how much info she was willing to share and I suspect that she will catch some shit for it.

And I don't think you were blocked. The account was deactivated. An agency cannot allow their girls to have any contact with clients outside of agency channels. Under the guise of protecting the girls, clients and the agency but the main reason is that the agency loses their cut.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4550970]
I messaged that I was interested in what they were offering and 1 of them responded that they had put in an application for Sirens and if they were hired they would no longer be on SA. I wished them good luck but told them that an agency gig would be very different than an arrangement. Much more of a straight up escort thing and that they would have no control over whom they met. I also told her that the stakes would be much higher. LE is far more interested and will throw a lot more resources at busting an organized prostitution ring than busting a couple young ladies independently trying to make party money. She responded that the woman who started Sirens used to be an SB, landed a super rich SD, lives in a mansion on River Rd and has a little black book of very wealthy powerful men so she is "untouchable" by LE. She is doing this out of the goodness of her heart to help young SBs. Provide security and privacy for only $25 per gig. She is very actively recruiting girls and hiring as many as possible. Sounds like a line straight out of "Pimping for fun and profit".
[/QUOTE]LOL. Some girls will litterally believe anything. Lives in a mansion! Little black book of wealthy powerful men! Untouchable! Doing it for the poor girls who work for her!

Any one of those is laughable. All of them together defies credulity.

Of course we all know this Madam is going to get busted sooner rather than later. It's nice that you tried to reason with these girls but as we all know, reasoning is not something they're very good at.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4550970] She responded that the woman who started Sirens used to be an SB, landed a super rich SD, lives in a mansion on River Rd and has a little black book of very wealthy powerful men so she is "untouchable" by LE. She is doing this out of the goodness of her heart to help young SBs. Provide security and privacy for only $25 per gig. She is very actively recruiting girls and hiring as many as possible. [/QUOTE]Apparently twenty-five dollar madam's heart-goodness knows not gender boundaries, because the main website also says:

"If you're looking for the hottest guys in Richmond, you have come to the right place. We represent a large group of local male strippers who are waiting to show you a good time. ".

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4551014]So no incall based on the last post? I guess no different than a SB, most don't host. Looks like I may be burning done hotel reward points.

The site doesn't imply FS, more a stripper site. I realize that very well may be to not irritate the local LE.

If the girls pics are accurate they are definitely in my wheelhouse. Anyone actually seen one, or at least been quoted rates?

This actually works well for me as I can't be seen in public with a young hottie. You know the saying, don't shit where you eat![/QUOTE]As I said I think this will separate the Pros from the casual SBs and ultimately that could be a good thing. I'm not looking for a quick bang with a hot young thing. That is only part of what I like about arrangements. Getting the pros out of the way on SA will reduce the clutter.

I'm sure most of the pics are accurate from the SBs I have met from SA recently. Very hot young ladies are now beginning to realize what kind of money they can make and it has become socially acceptable. And not just acceptable but almost expected by their peers as a status thing.

I'd imagine too that FS is absolutely on the table. Girls who don't perform or get bad reviews will not be employed long and the agency will expect repeat business and referrals. But don't be fooled. LE IS already aware and very interested I am sure. Agencies represent organization which raises the bar to trafficking as opposed to simple prostitution. Busting something like that is a big feather in the cap of elected officials and it opens up state and federal resources that are not available for small time busts.

But I cannot imagine that they can operate long without offering in-call. Their rates will have to be fairly high ($300 or better per meet) to promote the idea of "quality" and for them to get their cut plus pay the girl enough to make it worth her while. That on top of having to pay for a decent room (that will only be used for an hour) is a premium that few will afford regularly.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4551015]Thats the one. I was surprised at how much info she was willing to share and I suspect that she will catch some shit for it.

And I don't think you were blocked. The account was deactivated. An agency cannot allow their girls to have any contact with clients outside of agency channels. Under the guise of protecting the girls, clients and the agency but the main reason is that the agency loses their cut.[/QUOTE]I will only say this person should be avoided at all cost and runs 3+ profiles at a time and is closer to 30 years old. Id also assume she had a profile here and fakes being a man. Brunette, fake up top, high voice.

Anyone want to lend me their room for the afternoon so I can see one of these girls? 😂128514;.

I can already see it coming. It's an absolute dream for the media and LE. An escort service that specializes in the hottest sex workers available, with a direct link back to sugar websites as the primary recruitment mechanism, establishing once and for all that sugar websites lead to illegal activity. Even if the websites survive the hit, it will scare lots of girls who want a true arrangement away, ultimately being a very bad thing for the hobby. This is how all good things come to an end -- some segment of the population wants things as easy as possible, and starts to get careless. The johns in the little black book will be mugshotted and dragged into court to be made examples of, while the young ladies will mostly have their identities protected.

One has to remember, a bust that involves gorgeous young ladies is much more interesting that one that involves 60 year old AMP workers or other groups of women that can be considered "struggling" for their money. The prettier the girls are, the more powerful the story plays out in the media.

Nobody can deny there are similarities between escorting and sugaring, but there are just as many similarities between sugaring and regular dating. Part of the magic of the sugaring lifestyle has always been that you can pretty much find what you're looking for. The bane of its existence has always been that those who are not up to the challenges and hard work that lead to the best payoffs want to remove all challenges and streamline it to straight by-the-hour-transactions.

As someone else suggested, I'd like to respectfully second the idea that we keep the SB forums on the subject of sugaring, and discuss escorting on the threads here at USASG that already cover that topic.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4551015]Thats the one. I was surprised at how much info she was willing to share and I suspect that she will catch some shit for it.

And I don't think you were blocked. The account was deactivated. An agency cannot allow their girls to have any contact with clients outside of agency channels. Under the guise of protecting the girls, clients and the agency but the main reason is that the agency loses their cut.[/QUOTE]I met up with the brunette last night. She said she didn't want to set up an arrangement until she heard back about her application. I hate to say it mongers, but I paid her to have a drink with me. I just wanted to make sure that both girls were actually real. I also wanted to get her drunk and ask her questions about her company. The only problem is that she really is 19 and couldn't drink at the bar. So I had a bourbon, she had a Diet Coke and I asked her about her boss and how she got recruited by the company. It pretty much lined up with what all you guys have said on here.

I had a dream that they met a girl whose profile name was happy Holly. Smoking hot redhead. Has anyone seen her? She disappeared.

[QUOTE=DCSeeker;4550242]I talked to her for a week and then she ghosted. Can't take the ghosting.[/QUOTE]I was stood up today. I don't know if it's the same girl.

[QUOTE=RiverCity2011;4551033]I will only say this person should be avoided at all cost and runs 3+ profiles at a time and is closer to 30 years old. Id also assume she had a profile here and fakes being a man. Brunette, fake up top, high voice.[/QUOTE]Haha you don't want to share where you got this intel? I'm thinking that these are profiles being made by the woman that started SirensVA.

[QUOTE=BigOne73;4550245]Is there a catch? Is she difficult to deal with? Does she beg for more money?[/QUOTE]She doesn't ask for more money at first, but if you see her on a regular basis, she does.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4548906]1. I was contacted by a girl on SA. She and I can exchange messages but every time I go to look at her profile I get the "deleted / blocked etc" screen. She says she doesn't know why and can see my profile. Anybody ever had this happen?

2. Saw a new profile, girl is 20, slightly cute, nothing to write home about. She says in her log line and twice more, "Just want someone to pay me money but I don't want to do anything. " Pretty much nothing else in the profile. Very tempted to message her and ask how that's working out, LOL.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, These girls' heads are filled with stories of financial dominance. I'm sure there are guys that will do that. I'm not one of them.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4551243]Haha you don't want to share where you got this intel? I'm thinking that these are profiles being made by the woman that started SirensVA.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you're right and that person who is promoting SirensVa in the Escort section with their very first post is probably also this person

[QUOTE=RiverCity2011;4551347]I'm sure you're right and that person who is promoting SirensVa in the Escort section with their very first post is probably also this person[/QUOTE]Definitely feels like a shill.

[QUOTE=WaterBoi;4548707]I must be the worst of all you guys. She told me she's not in to physical intimacy. Glad someone had some luck though. Stay safe![/QUOTE]Who knows what they're thinking. I think it depends on the day who they take to the FC. I've had a girl I banged turn me down on seeking and I was on a new profile. She didn't even remember me!

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;4548178]Would love to hear how it goes. She is super cutre.[/QUOTE]I'm supposed to meet her at a bar tomorrow night. Pics look good. Seemed like she had a shitty attitude though. I'll let you know how it goes.

[QUOTE=Tidad;4551360]Definitely feels like a shill.[/QUOTE]It's obviously a new corporation. A lot of attractive SBs are available at the drop of a hat. I don't care about their marketing. I'm just glad I'm aware of them and it might be an option for me.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4551015]Thats the one. I was surprised at how much info she was willing to share and I suspect that she will catch some shit for it.

And I don't think you were blocked. The account was deactivated. An agency cannot allow their girls to have any contact with clients outside of agency channels. Under the guise of protecting the girls, clients and the agency but the main reason is that the agency loses their cut.[/QUOTE]She is actively chatting with me as we speak so it doesn't seem to have been deactivated. It all seems more like an organized advertising scheme. I've asked several of my regular sugar babies who weren't aware of this site. It also seems extremely high risk for reasons outlined below. I'll have to pass.

EDIT: my apologies to fanrat. It seems they have multiple profiles with messages sent verbatim to various people. The one I received said that they will help make sure "people stick to arrangements not just screw them a few times and ghost". I'm not sure I like the sounds of that.

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;4551436]She is actively chatting with me as we speak so it doesn't seem to have been deactivated. It all seems more like an organized advertising scheme. I've asked several of my regular sugar babies who weren't aware of this site. It also seems extremely high risk for reasons outlined below. I'll have to pass.

EDIT: my apologies to fanrat. It seems they have multiple profiles with messages sent verbatim to various people. The one I received said that they will help make sure "people stick to arrangements not just screw them a few times and ghost". I'm not sure I like the sounds of that.[/QUOTE]

One thing to remember for any younger guys hoping to see a Siren is that they seem to not be interested in dealing with anyone under 40. I've had two of them block me because my profile says I'm in my 30's. Idk if they are asking your age when you call the number but if they do and you're under 40 I suggest lying or risk being rejected.

Personally I will only use the SirensVA as a backup when I've already paid for the FC and a real sb bails on me.

It's probably the girls who work for her trying to drum up business. Isn't it called fishing? I'm sure it's slow during the winter months. Broke strippers from clubs go out to real bars and try to drum up business. It's probably the girls doing some fishing.

Out of common courtesy, when a member shares private contact information about a sb don't run back to her and tell her detailed information that makes it obvious where you got the contact from. I just had my ass chewed by a sb that I was nice enough to share with a few sm's. I won't share intel again.

[QUOTE=DCSeeker;4551565]It's probably the girls who work for her trying to drum up business. Isn't it called fishing? I'm sure it's slow during the winter months. Broke strippers from clubs go out to real bars and try to drum up business. It's probably the girls doing some fishing.[/QUOTE]Several of the Florida strip clubs pull this, as does one in Raleigh.

The girls are on SA with SB profiles. When you contact them, they tell you to meet them at the club for a M&G.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4551024]Apparently twenty-five dollar madam's heart-goodness knows not gender boundaries.[/QUOTE]Seeking arrangements has Male Sugarbabies and Female Sugarmommas too. It also provides Male Sugarbabies for Male SDs who are into that kind of thing.