"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1458228]Lit,

No one but you seems to have a problem with Mandy contributing. What does that say, I wonder?

Scott[/QUOTE]Dear Scott,

You are mistaken.

However, I don't hold this against you. Please keep writing up your adventures, or near-adventures.

We can't let a female sugarbaby wannabe adviser just blab away on this thread. The mongers will be misled. She doesn't know anything about how to fuck women. She probably doesn't know much about how to fuck herself.

You've fucked a lot of girls. Does it seem to you they know what they are doing?

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1458376]Dear Scott,

You've fucked a lot of girls. Does it seem to you they know what they are doing?[/QUOTE]It does.

In my opinion, there is plenty of room in the clubhouse for all to participate. My father always said to us, "The only time we stop learning is when we are dead." I would add to this that we never know from where knowledge will come.
Scott

We're missing the point. This is an internet message board. Guys seem to appreciate Mandy and as long as she feels welcome she'll be around. When she doesn't we'll hear about it. I have no problem with a female on the board or Mandy for that matter. She tends to see a sentence in a post as an entrée into giving us several paragraphs about herself, but women see themselves in most everything with peace and quiet being their natural enemy. We always have the option of paying no attention. Nobody pays any attention to me saying you can't fool Mother Nature. I see no problem. So put me down as a Mandy supporter.

This board is better for Mandy being here than not. There is more than one way to get laid in this game, and she has been helping some of us in the kinder more gentler and honest approach. The result of which can sometimes be a more rewarding experience.

She is also doing this without any benefit to herself I might add.

But overall I tire of this topic being brought up. Please just drop it and get back to the stories.

Surely someone else here had a memorable memorial day weekend. (And please God not memorable like Nandos).

I agree we should get on with the stories and off the debates about who should be on this board. I do however agree that Mandy is a good addition to the group and gives a food SB perspective that we can all learn from. I have to say though that I got a good chuckle from the rabbit and hound analogy. Lit, you are always a good read and I hope you remain a contributor as well.

I have 2 possibilities this week. The warden is gone for a couple of days and I have a sure thing set up with a SB young nurse that I've already tasted. I also have a M&G with a 30 something pot that looks very promising. I'm a little worried that she might be a pro, but will know that later today.

Great stories recently from the group. Chi is a great addition and Guy has really stepped up also with recent stories that we can all learn from. I never miss a day of reading, so keep up the good work.

For the record, my view is:

1. USASG is to facilitate an exchange of views among men.

2. The SB in question is a provider and this is a consumer's thread.

3. The requisite experience to contribute to the thread is missing.

Let's see how it goes.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1458410]It does.

In my opinion, there is plenty of room in the clubhouse for all to participate. My father always said to us,"The only time we stop learning is when we are dead." I would add to this that we never know from where knowledge will come.

Scott[/QUOTE]Under this theory we'd take art classes to learn about math.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1458842]Under this theory we'd take art classes to learn about math.[/QUOTE]Under this theory, we would be pleasantly surprised to also learn some math in art class.

Peace,

Scott

I'm sorry that Nando got caught, but I'm grateful he told us about it.

I had believed he was unmarried and so his growing attachment to his ATF SB could have had a happy outcome. One of the risks for married dudes of playing around with SBs is that you can get attached. Several of us have discussed this in the past but it bears reinforcing for new players.

I don't know how many mongers on here have been through a divorce but I imagine quite a few. It is one of life's absolute worst and most expensive experiences and therefore to be avoided unless absolutely necessary. When you meet someone you fall in love with outside your marriage, it can become necessary and you accept the pain and suffering because you want to be with the one you love. However, often enough a divorce is initiated by a wife who has found her husband fooling around. The husband may not want a divorce, or may not want to go through the pain and expense.

One reason many on this thread have cautioned against emotional involvement with SBs is because if you aren't careful it can lead to pain. Pain when the SB leaves you for some guy who's not paying her to stick around. Pain when your wife finds out and hires a divorce lawyer. There are those who say everyone gets caught, but that's just not true. You can reduce your chances of getting caught.

These are the reasons the thread discusses the precautions needed to reduce discovery by the SB of your true identity. The risk of disclosure is that the SB will get ideas of blackmail or revenge by contacting your wife if you ultimately decide to leave. How to avoid such situations and how to deal with them if they do occur is another subject discussed in many posts on this thread.

Whether or not you are not a married guy and just want to play around with girls on a sugar for sex basis but reduce the chance that you will run afoul of prostitution laws, SBs have some advantages over pros, chief among them being many of them do not believe they are pros because they are looking for one sugardaddy. A girl who has multiple sugardaddies and also fucks around with other men for cash is a pro in most people's minds.

As it happens, I disagree with laws against the world's oldest profession, but nobody reading this thread should try to use any of the techniques taught to conceal illegal activity. They won't work for that purpose.

So for the above reasons many posts on the thread have advised married men not to get emotionally involved with sbs and how to avoid complications. This is not because emotional involvement with women is not good. To the contrary, it is one of life's great satisfactions. Unfortunately, giving sugar to a girl to be with you is not a good foundation on which to build emotional involvement.

Finally, there is nothing at all that says if you seek to avoid emotional involvement you have to be content with fucking sbs who are skanks. There's nothing that says if you avoid emotional involvement you treat sbs badly. I think the goal should be to fuck as attractive women as possible and treat anyone you fuck with consideration and gentleness. But you have to know where to draw the line in your relationships.

No matter how careful you are, there is a good chance of getting hurt one way or the other if you play this game. I believe emotional involvement with an sb increases the odds you will get hurt, but that doesn't mean I don't sympathize with Nando. I do.

Becoming E-involved with my SB is what precipitated my mess. I HAD to see her and spent way too much time doing so, therefore increasing exposure. When you spend 28 % of your life with someone it's hard to hide that fact. After it all came out I hustled up the road to spend the afternoon with my SB. This falls under the category of "begging to get caught ".again, but I am seriously addicted to her. She even told me that although she loves me I am not her forever guy, that she couldn't see herself bringing Gramps home to Mama and friends. (my word, not hers) Even so I am willing to throw caution to the wind.

This sounds like an aquaintance who was a recovering Heroin addict. He said that the high is like nothing he has ever felt before and would do anything to experience it.over and over again to the exclusion of his health, wellbeing and financial security.

So my brothers and sister, tread carefully when you are falling for your SB. It is unbelievable but OH so dangerous.

Begging to get caught indeed, plus I think we have discussed addiction to our SBs on here before as well. I know I have taken chances that I would not have even considered before this woman came into my life. I've even gotten a few "you did what!" responses from both online and real friends, although I have been more careful lately, or maybe not. I don't use a burner phone, my SB has my real number, knows my real first and last name (she even signed the room service bill last time) , knows where I live, where I work, where wife works. So she could royally fuck up my life. However, she is not a Nando 1 (she's a MILF who enjoys the sex) , lives a couple hours from me, and does not have the revenge gene in her body I don't think. Who mentioned addiction again?

It's a slippery slope we tread here as married guys and the emotional involvement increases the risk exponentially, but oh the high we get! It also leads to sleepless nights, chest pains, lack of productivity at work, reduction in emotional involvement with spouse and family (we only have so much to go around you know). And that's if things go well and we don't get caught! When this current relationship ends, as we all know they will sooner or later, I don't see myself back in one like this again.

So for some of the newer guys on here, if that's what you seek in this endeavor. I'll say it again. Be careful what you wish for.

Magicrat

I go away for a long weekend, and this is what I come back to? I feel transported back to third grade; mom and dad are fighting again, and I'm terrified. I don't want them to get divorced, mainly because I don't want to go visit dad two weekends a month at his scruffy apartment in the city, like a couple of my friends.

Lucky for me, my parents worked out their problems. I hope people here can too.

Case in point: I have a situation where I'd like input from both sides here. I'll even state the question up front: Am I being cruel here? Do I owe my baby more?

I decided a couple weeks ago that I needed to stop seeing my unemployed SB (USB). Apropos of recent posts, I felt she was getting too attached emotionally, and, her being unemployed, she was depending on me too much for cash flow. I didn't want to risk any type of "in too deep" situation. I've been there before and emerged ok but didn't want to temp fate twice in one year.

I decided this morning to call it off. Clean break. I explained that the arrangement we had was no longer working for me and said we couldn't see each other any more.

The thing is, I did this by email. I didn't want to risk an ugly confrontation. I didn't want to have to answer any questions.

She eventually replied that she understands but wished I had "been a better person" and done this face to face. She also laid on a guilt trip about her roommate moving out and "depending on me."

I feel her response is trying to bait me into a discussion when all I want is to disappear. Do I owe her any more at this point?

On another front, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles, Nando. Can you tell us more about how it happened and any subsequent discussions with your SO? That might help all of us. Regardless, you are playing with fire by running off to see the SB again. But you already know that. Maybe you needed to lay low for a while. We all needed to from time to time.

Joe

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1459052]I go away for a long weekend, and this is what I come back to? I feel transported back to third grade; mom and dad are fighting again, and I'm terrified. I don't want them to get divorced, mainly because I don't want to go visit dad two weekends a month at his scruffy apartment in the city, like a couple of my friends*

I decided this morning to call it off. Clean break. I explained that the arrangement we had was no longer working for me and said we couldn't see each other any more.[/QUOTE]Joe: while it can be tedious to air disagreements, sometimes it's necessary. Not every piece of advice is equally worthwhile. Some are likely to lead to trouble, and sometimes that needs to be pointed out.

As to your question, my view is that your best course is not to communicate any more. Period. In a break-up it is so easy to say the wrong thing or to be misunderstood it's usually better to try total silence after an explanation like you have already given. If it becomes evident later that you will have to deal with her, because she makes a threat, for example, you can work out the best response at that time.

Others will have a different approach. This is just my view based on my experience.

[QUOTE=Magic Rat; 1459015]Begging to get caught indeed, plus I think we have discussed addiction to our SBs on here before as well. I know I have taken chances that I would not have even considered before this woman came into my life. I've even gotten a few "you did what!" responses from both online and real friends, although I have been more careful lately, or maybe not. I don't use a burner phone, my SB has my real number, knows my real first and last name (she even signed the room service bill last time) , knows where I live, where I work, where wife works. So she could royally fuck up my life. However, she is not a Nando 1 (she's a MILF who enjoys the sex) , lives a couple hours from me, and does not have the revenge gene in her body I don't think. Who mentioned addiction again?

It's a slippery slope we tread here as married guys and the emotional involvement increases the risk exponentially, but oh the high we get! It also leads to sleepless nights, chest pains, lack of productivity at work, reduction in emotional involvement with spouse and family (we only have so much to go around you know). And that's if things go well and we don't get caught! When this current relationship ends, as we all know they will sooner or later, I don't see myself back in one like this again.

So for some of the newer guys on here, if that's what you seek in this endeavor. I'll say it again. Be careful what you wish for.

Magicrat[/QUOTE]This sets out the case for emotional involvement pretty well I think, and identifies the risks. The risk is there with any kind of fooling around, but with SBs it is particularly high because they are so much like real girlfriends. Correction, they may be real girlfriends.

Many in the mongering crowd, of which we are a subset, do not seek emotional involvement for just these reasons. I would argue that a logical approach, if you seek emotional involvement with an SB, would be to consult a divorce lawyer as soon as possible and figure out how best to protect yourself if and when the shit hits the fan.

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1459052]I decided a couple weeks ago that I needed to stop seeing my unemployed SB (USB). Apropos of recent posts, I felt she was getting too attached emotionally, and, her being unemployed, she was depending on me too much for cash flow. I didn't want to risk any type of "in too deep" situation. I've been there before and emerged ok but didn't want to temp fate twice in one year.

I decided this morning to call it off. Clean break. I explained that the arrangement we had was no longer working for me and said we couldn't see each other any more.

The thing is, I did this by email. I didn't want to risk an ugly confrontation. I didn't want to have to answer any questions.

She eventually replied that she understands but wished I had "been a better person" and done this face to face. She also laid on a guilt trip about her roommate moving out and "depending on me."

I feel her response is trying to bait me into a discussion when all I want is to disappear. Do I owe her any more at this point?

Joe[/QUOTE]Joe,

I agree with Lit on this. While you may feel bad for how you handled it, this will pass with time, and with her history of clinginess and manipulation, if you were to contact her further, either electronically or by phone call, you would be laying yourself open to further manipulation. Nando 1's are experts at this.

Just as there are more fish in the sea for us, there are more for them as well. My guess is that she'll be fine in a week or so. Early on in my career as an SD I got touched for "text book money" by a baby that I had seen two or three times, who assured me she would "make it up to me" the next time we were together. While I was not in love, I did feel compassion for her, but thankfully I had done my homework by reading the advice of brothers who had been there and politely but firmly refused, saying I was just not comfortable with advancing money, but would be happy to see her again for a romp, and would give her some sugar then. Imagine my surprise when I got no response!

At this moment, you are free, and hopefully invisible, so move on and don't look back.

Scott

[QUOTE=Magic Rat; 1459015]Begging to get caught indeed, plus I think we have discussed addiction to our SBs on here before as well. I know I have taken chances that I would not have even considered before this woman came into my life. I've even gotten a few "you did what!" responses from both online and real friends, although I have been more careful lately, or maybe not. I don't use a burner phone, my SB has my real number, knows my real first and last name (she even signed the room service bill last time) , knows where I live, where I work, where wife works. So she could royally fuck up my life. However, she is not a Nando 1 (she's a MILF who enjoys the sex) , lives a couple hours from me, and does not have the revenge gene in her body I don't think. Who mentioned addiction again?

Magicrat[/QUOTE]See I disposed of that landline before I started. The wife #1 knows I have a #2, and as long as #1 stays #1 all is fine. I even had it in the past where #1 and #2 had dinner with me, one time even a trip to europe. Now this only works if you get this correctly vetted with #1. Explain the advantages she gets. It worked for me, and it does not lead to headaches, chest pain and sleepless nights. It does lead to some funny situations though (I'll share in private)

It is certainly easier to make an electronic break. I had a Nando 1 SB before my HCB SB / GF and I cared about her although she was a mess. She actually stopped all comm with me for about 1 year and I was pretty bummed since she didn't give any notice. When she resurfaced she blackmailed me. So the "dear Jane " letter was probably enough. If you had a significant attraction to her a face to face would probably have been nice for closure, but so much harder to see her shock, sobbing uncontrllably, and grabbing your ankles begging you not to go. Eh, Email / text works.

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1459052]Case in point: I have a situation where I'd like input from both sides here. I'll even state the question up front: Am I being cruel here? Do I owe my baby more?[/QUOTE]Maybe to some readers surprise, I actually agree with everything that's been posted in response to this. In person break-ups are challenging at best and with a Nando 1, you're really just begging for it to go badly. You weren't with her that long, so I think you did exactly what would be considered reasonable with the email. I also agree with not engaging in the back and forth email chain with her. It's just an opportunity for it to get messy.

I would like to highlight my caveat "you weren't with her that long." For those of you who like the long-term thing, I think you have to handle the break-up a little more gently. Mostly because the SB probably will have all of your information and well a woman scorned can be a really bad thing. For this case, in person and honesty would be my advice.

Joe, the thing I would like to commend you on is that you provided an ending. A lot of SD's and SB's (myself included) are prone to just disappearing which leaves all sides wondering and that's not cool. So, good job and don't feel bad. You did more than what a lot do.

Mandy

Joe, think about what she wrote back to you. It was a blatant attempt to prick your ego in order to get you to contact her back, because she believes she can lure you back as long as the comm channel is open. It's an old, old technique used by people the world over. Certain sales techniques use a similar idea: keep the mark talking, because as long as they're talking you have a chance to close; once they leave your chance is zero.

Do not let her suck you back in. You will regret it if you do. Clean break, every time.

Group,

I posted this in a couple of PMs to some brothers lately & felt that it probably would be useful to share to you all.

I had been emailing back and forth a few days ago with a beautiful blonde 24 year old POT. She claimed to be a psychiatrist with a full MD & working at a very popular and flourishing practice.

Now, I never really did figure out why a successful MD was looking for a SD, but my secret hope was that she was just a little bit confused as to the nature of the SA site, and she was actually considering paying me.

Anyway, our discussions came around to the nature of why so many married men were active on SA, and she clued me into a little 'Evolutionary Psychology'. The jist of which is as follows:

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Evolutionary psychology.

The theory that most of our core behaviors of today come from what made our early ancestors successful in reproducing. We today are the product of successful 'hookups' 100's of millennia in the past right? The techniques of most successful Cave-Daddies from millennia ago banging the most beautiful Cave-babies have been carried down from the generations for the simple reason of successful Cave-Daddies = genetic transference.

So when a woman is pregnant / has a baby, she is unable to become pregnant with another man for a duration of at least 1 year. She has 9 months of pregnancy & at least a few months afterwards. It really does no good from a genetic transference standpoint for the woman to bang 100's of Cave-Daddies in a year, because she is still only going to get pregnant with one of them. After pregnancy, the most successful reproductive strategy she can take would be to get the Daddy to stick around for the duration & take care of her. That would ensure a healthy birth & rearing, and thus help spread her genes into the next generations.

For the prehistoric Cave-daddy, the most successful strategy for spreading his genes into future generations would have been to nail as many cave-babies as he possibly could, in as little time as possible.

So there always has been this monogamy, polygamy conflict between men & women, and it has everything to do with biology. Over time, society evolved to favor the woman's preference of a single partner, because simply successful women's reproduction = a successful species. But it doesn't change the way men deep down have been pre-programmed to behave. On a biological level, it is very difficult for us to live in the sex-prison, and (most) women cannot fathom why we have such a hard time with it, because they are programmed to build the sex-prison from a biological level.

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Anyhow, this MD / SB really intrigued me obviously, but she eventually dropped off my contact radar without an explanation. Too bad, I really was looking forward to learning more about my primal ways with her.

Hey, I even broke out this GEM of a line. And can you believe I got absolutely no response? Wait for it.

[QUOTE=me]So my wife has been telling me for years that I really need to start seeing a psychiatrist. .

How about we meet for a drink? .[/QUOTE]SERIOUSLY! Can you believe that didn't' work? Man, that was like my all time best stuff.

Carry on Gents!

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy;1459170]See I disposed of that landline before I started. The wife #1 knows I have a #2, and as long as #1 stays #1 all is fine. I even had it in the past where #1 and #2 had dinner with me, one time even a trip to europe. Now this only works if you get this correctly vetted with #1. Explain the advantages she gets. It worked for me, and it does not lead to headaches, chest pain and sleepless nights. It does lead to some funny situations though (I'll share in private)[/QUOTE]Euro,

You the man!

SubCmdr out

[QUOTE=SbabyBlog;1459391]I would like to highlight my caveat "you weren't with her that long." For those of you who like the long-term thing, I think you have to handle the break-up a little more gently. Mostly because the SB probably will have all of your information and well a woman scorned can be a really bad thing. For this case, in person and honesty would be my advice.[/QUOTE]I don't think this is good advice in most cases, although quite predictable female provider advice. For sure, it's what every working girl wants. In fact it may be what everyone wants when someone they are involved with breaks up with them.

The fact is though that attempts to explain the truth in person to a long term SB you are leaving are very likely to lead to a demand for more details and ultimately for money and does little to reduce the chances of blackmail or revenge seeking. If you were married, at this point in the relationship, you'd both get lawyers or psychologists or both. Those alternatives are not attractive in the sb-sd context so dealing with the breakup of an LT relationship with an sb is like juggling a bomb.

Note that Mandy says,"the SB probably will have all of your information and well a woman scorned can be a really bad thing." Whether you use the "in person and honest" approach or the arm's length impersonal (but considerate) announcement, what happens if the long-term SB doesn't accept the end of the relationship? She may do really bad things to you is the lesson here. Why then would you let her have "all your information." Because that is part of "being close" in a satisfying LT relationship and the SB wants to have it?

I broke up a relationship with an SB of more than a year's duration early this year. At our last meeting, she sensed I was losing interest. When she called me and left a message afterwards asking if every thing was ok and when would we meet next, I didn't reply. She eventually texted she realized things had changed between us. I still didn't reply. Finally she sent me a goodbye. I replied goodbye and wished her well. That's the last I've heard from her. Of course, I was careful throughout to be sure she doesn't have "all of my information."

Do you know any women that have the same sense of humor we do? I'll throw what I think is a real funny out at home and all I get is either a blank stare or the old eye roll. And this coming from a woman that does have a good sense of humor. Just different I guess.

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy;1459170]See I disposed of that landline before I started. The wife #1 knows I have a #2, and as long as #1 stays #1 all is fine. I even had it in the past where #1 and #2 had dinner with me, one time even a trip to europe. Now this only works if you get this correctly vetted with #1. Explain the advantages she gets. It worked for me, and it does not lead to headaches, chest pain and sleepless nights. It does lead to some funny situations though (I'll share in private)[/QUOTE]This attractive alternative would take some doing to arrange in Sex Prison, aka the US of A, although I know a few rich Chinese who manage it in their country. It would be great though.

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606;1459651]So there always has been this monogamy, polygamy conflict between men & women, and it has everything to do with biology. Over time, society evolved to favor the woman's preference of a single partner, because simply successful women's reproduction = a successful species. But it doesn't change the way men deep down have been pre-programmed to behave. On a biological level, it is very difficult for us to live in the sex-prison, and (most) women cannot fathom why we have such a hard time with it, because they are programmed to build the sex-prison from a biological level.[/QUOTE]This sounds about right to me.

This is not intended towards Mandy personally but I don't like the presence of a female in this thread. I originally was reading what she posted but now just skip because I do not feel it adds anything or at least adds anything that interests me. Once again it is nothing personal against her, it just my opinion. Lit just had the balls to say something originally. I kept quiet but the more I see his posts the more I wanted to speak out as I agree with him.

This thread has evolved since she has joined but it is still a good thread with a lot of good information so keep it going.

Have fun and be safe everyone.

Fix

Brothers,

I knew the time would come when it would be over with my ATF, and I believe that time is here. I have had minimal and what I would term "cordial" replies to my cheery texts, asking if we might meet on such and such a day for lunch and sex, which is not her normal operating procedure. Never verbose, she nonetheless manages to distill a great deal of enthusiasm into her replies. This, added to the fact that I think we have not been together for almost a month, and even a blind man could see the end near at hand.

I just don't understand how it could have gone from her offering me a key to her apartment to this, but as I have said many times, they are a quixotic breed, these little babies. I will miss her painfully, do in fact now miss her painfully, but I know I will get over it eventually. I know it had no real future, I just wanted it to go on a little longer.

In the silver lining department, I just spent the day moving my younger daughter and her roommate into a new apartment not more than four blocks from, wait for it, my ATF's new place. In fact, we drove the truck right by her building, and I saw her bike parked outside! Now I know this is a wrinkle that could have been ironed out so as to avoid any Dad-spotting by my daughter, but I might have been too jumpy when in the neighborhood to be able to enjoy my time there. Kinda would have defeated the whole point of being off the home radar if another airport picks you up instead.

Oh well, I still have Polo and my British baby, but in all truthfullness, I'm just feeling supremely bummed out right now. Scottie is far less emotional than I am, and even he is depressed.

My confidants, I may need you in the next week or so!

Peace,

Scott

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606; 1459651]SERIOUSLY! Can you believe that didn't' work? Man, that was like my all time best stuff.

Carry on Gents![/QUOTE]Chi,

Very, very funny! Can't believe it didn't work either. I think she was fooling you about being a therapist LOL.

I guess I need to get into the habit of reading from the back forwards. This might have cheered me up a little so I didn't post as Debbie Downer.

Scott

Damn, this has been deflating if not a depressing thread here lately. Nando and his baby being exposed by the discovery of the burner phone by the war dept. And the egg shells he must now be walking on. Then Lit and Mandy going at one another back and forth. Now Scott gets the hand writing from the wall, via the ATF. Geesh, I can't take any more of this news fellows.

My condolences to Nando and Scott on their recent emotional upheaval. No doubt this would be tough. But as the saying does go,"this too shall pass", although not always as soon or as easily as we would like.

Regarding the into of the female voice on the thread. I think Mandy has added some by her opinions and input, but I do think that it has changed the tenor of the thread as well. Having been one who attended an all male school before attending co-ed participation; there is just a difference when the opposite sex is involved in the discourse of the day. However, since I am not a major contributor on this thread I have no strong vote one way or the other, but just acknowledging that there is a difference.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1459881]This attractive alternative would take some doing to arrange in Sex Prison, aka the US of A, although I know a few rich Chinese who manage it in their country. It would be great though.[/QUOTE]Literal. The easiest to arrange this is before you get in prison, or find a warden like Mandy has, who accepts it and believes in weekend furloughs, but both solutions are done before prison is entered. Once in prison it wile hard. BUT perhaps some logic explanation might do the trick. Honey. I can use a #2 when I am pissed off. Like when I had a bad day at work. Would you rather see me happy coming home, after I blow of steam with my #2. Just one example. Or Honey you know I like position #37 and I know you hate it, would you not rather see me happy and not ask you that position when I can use a surrogate?

There are some funny situations where #2 takes her role too serious, as one time I am buying her a piece ofclothing, find out I did not had my plastic with me but I had a backup plastic in the name of #1. The sales clerk runs the plastic, gets an approval and hands the slip to sign to #2. (because of the gender on the plastic). #2 takes her role serious and tells true sales clerk OH No I can't sign, that is a card of #1. I am #2. The sales clerk looks funny. So I throw in. Ok where what is your fax number. Ill call#1 and tell her to fax over an authorization that I can use her plastic for this purchase. Which actually happened, but she made me wait for 15 minutes.

Of course this did cost me a better outfit once back home for #1, who with a big grin showed me an email of #2, saying " I hope I did right by not signing your name"

NOW who is really in charge?

Euro

So sorry to hear it is coming to closure Scott. I am sure you realize that the pain will not last forever. Also I'm sure you are aware that the relationship has been causing you on-again off-again pain for a little while now. At least if it finally does come to an end, you can begin to move ahead. I know, it sort of sounds like cutting the head off to cure the headache, but moving on may be the only long term solution here.

Chi,

You are right that it has been a source of heartache and anxiety for me for some time, and I can imagine a day not too far off when I will feel a sense of relief that the uncertainty is over. I can also imagine a day when I feel pissed as hell, and I'm kind of looking forward to that day. Right now, it's just sadness. I will need to be on my guard with the next few babies that I don't try and make them into the replica of my ATF. I can imagine that would be scary to them if I come on too strong.

It's a sunny, beautiful day, and I'm heading in to the office to be alone with paperwork, which is probably a good thing.

Moving on,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1461390]Chi,

You are right that it has been a source of heartache and anxiety for me for some time, and I can imagine a day not too far off when I will feel a sense of relief that the uncertainty is over. I can also imagine a day when I feel pissed as hell, and I'm kind of looking forward to that day. Right now, it's just sadness. I will need to be on my guard with the next few babies that I don't try and make them into the replica of my ATF. I can imagine that would be scary to them if I come on too strong.

It's a sunny, beautiful day, and I'm heading in to the office to be alone with paperwork, which is probably a good thing.

Moving on,

Scott[/QUOTE]Condolences, Scott. I predict you will survive. The best cure for a broken heart is a new paramour.

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy; 1461191]Literal. The easiest to arrange this is before you get in prison, or find a warden like Mandy has, who accepts it and believes in weekend furloughs, but both solutions are done before prison is entered. Once in prison it wile hard. BUT perhaps some logic explanation might do the trick. Honey. I can use a #2 when I am pissed off. Like when I had a bad day at work. Would you rather see me happy coming home, after I blow of steam with my #2. Just one example. Or Honey you know I like position #37 and I know you hate it, would you not rather see me happy and not ask you that position when I can use a surrogate?

There are some funny situations where #2 takes her role too serious, as one time I am buying her a piece ofclothing, find out I did not had my plastic with me but I had a backup plastic in the name of #1. The sales clerk runs the plastic, gets an approval and hands the slip to sign to #2. (because of the gender on the plastic). #2 takes her role serious and tells true sales clerk OH No I can't sign, that is a card of #1. I am #2. The sales clerk looks funny. So I throw in. Ok where what is your fax number. Ill call#1 and tell her to fax over an authorization that I can use her plastic for this purchase. Which actually happened, but she made me wait for 15 minutes.

Of course this did cost me a better outfit once back home for #1, who with a big grin showed me an email of #2, saying " I hope I did right by not signing your name"

NOW who is really in charge?

Euro[/QUOTE]I'm going to have to re-read this a few times before I understand it completely I think.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1461538]Condolences, Scott. I predict you will survive. The best cure for a broken heart is a new paramour.[/QUOTE]The best way to get over a woman is to get over another woman.

Chi, Lit, Golf, Vroom et al,

Thank you for your kind words. I have ended 2 other LTRs before this one, so I just don't know why #3 is hitting me so hard, but there it is. I have two M&Gs scheduled for this coming week, and I sincerely hope I don't lose it while talking to them. These fuckin' babies can get under your skin, can't they? Fuck, fuck and more fuck! And tits! (weak reference to the The King's Speech)

Enjoy the weekend, my friends. Thank you all for your kind thoughts. I know I have been more than fortunate when it comes to babies, but this one just got to me.

Fuck,

Scott

Please do tell how the M&Gs go Scott, we await details with bated breath!

I am currently 'working at home' today. Where 'home' = a hotel room with a laptop & cellphone.

The Nurse is coming over for an extended lunch break in a few hours, I better go get some work done now while I can!

Regards,

Chi

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1461584]Chi, Lit, Golf, Vroom et al,

Thank you for your kind words. I have ended 2 other LTRs before this one, so I just don't know why #3 is hitting me so hard, but there it is. I have two M&Gs scheduled for this coming week, and I sincerely hope I don't lose it while talking to them. These fuckin' babies can get under your skin, can't they? Fuck, fuck and more fuck! And tits! (weak reference to the The King's Speech)

Enjoy the weekend, my friends. Thank you all for your kind thoughts. I know I have been more than fortunate when it comes to babies, but this one just got to me.

Fuck,

Scott[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606; 1462738]Please do tell how the M&Gs go Scott, we await details with bated breath!

I am currently 'working at home' today. Where 'home' = a hotel room with a laptop & cellphone.

The Nurse is coming over for an extended lunch break in a few hours, I better go get some work done now while I can!

Regards,

Chi[/QUOTE]Chi, I work at home often and will sometimes take a long "lunch" for just this type of activity. I haven't tried your method, but I like it.

I've finally had some success on my end. You'll recall that I dumped USB last week. After I ignored a few of her emails, her tone turned to "I hope you are ok" and "did I do anything wrong?". On the advice of a trusted forum member, I decided to give one response. I told her it wasn't her fault (true) and I just had a change of heart (true). Nothing further from her.

I also finally had a successful FC romp with SB23. God, the girl has skills, and she really seemed to be enjoying herself. I'll proceed with extreme caution on our journey back to the FC this week, given her propensity to suggest she deserves a higher allowance. I suspect I'll tire of that soon, but for now, I'll enjoy the ride.

Oh, and ATF is back in town, and we're meeting tonight. Last time, she really seemed to miss me, and it showed in her performance, which included a particularly spirited trip to the Greek Isles. I'm glad she keeps calling when she's in town, because I'm happy to keep seeing her for P4P fun.

Gentlemen,

As I alluded to in my previous post, I was able to schedule a W@H (Work at Hotel) day today, with a baby visit from the nurse at lunchtime.

I got there early (after having to beg to find a place to give me a 'day rate' room & an 8:00am checkin.) Got my coffee, removed my pants (for safety) , and set up my temporary work-space for the day. I then proceeded to put my nose to the grindstone for a few hours.

She wound arriving a bit early, and it was too early for me to play due to an impending conference call I was to chair within a few minutes. I let her into the room, and I pressed her against the wall for a passionate make-out session for a few minutes. I got my hand under her skirt & felt something Lacey and 'interesting'. This REALLY got my attention, but no I had to get to the call at hand & she would just have to wait for me.

I sat down at the desk in the room and dialed in. It's one of those hotel desks that stick out into the room where you can sit at either side of it. She went into the bathroom while I was getting ready for the call. Right as I started taking attendance on the call, she walks out of the bathroom wearing this amazing black lace matching bra & panty set. Her breasts were pushed up almost to her chin & I could see her hard nipples sticking out through the material. Her ass looked amazing in that lacey thong as she spun around to give me a good look. I was drooling at the mouth & had gone dead silent on the phone (remember now, I'm supposed to be chairing this meeting). I tried to focus back on my notes, but my bullets were not the only thing pointing if you know what I mean.

She walked over to the other side of the desk opposite me, and got down on her hands and knees and crawled under the thing to come up with her head in my lap. She pulled off my drawers and began to give me the most sensual, wet, warm BJ I have had in a long long time.

I now know why God invented the Mute button.

Honestly I have no idea how the rest of the meeting went from there. I really do hope I didn't say anything stupid (I'm sure I did) , and I have absolutely no idea what the result was. I probably agreed to some ridiculous demand from someone that will wind up costing me a ton of money and create months of work. At that point I just didn't care & I wanted the meeting to be over.

After she finished me off & I was able to get off the phone, I returned the favor for a while & then bent her over the bed to show her how naughty she was for ruining my phone call.

All in all a very memorable lunch! I am absolutely going to have to do this again.

Joe,

Congrats on closing your book with the N1 & your recent additional conquests! Glad to hear you are having a high time with the ATF. That's what life is all about my friend!

Regards,

Chi.

Magic,

Trying to respond but your mailbox is full.

Scott