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[QUOTE=Mmgeg;3316012]It seems that the " negotiating " term has been used more frequently than before. I don't know if it's because of what has happened to BP and some of the people that use BP are coming over to this site or not. I have not had to deal with this issue until recently. I look at it as a disrespect factor. If you want to see a provider bad enough then the rates should not be a issue and you would have no issue being screened. (another topic but won't discuss at this time) .

When I have someone that wants to " negotiate ' rates or tell me he's used to paying this amount or tell me he contacted someone else and they are willing to see him for this amount. Ummmm. Then go ahead and see them then. Should be that easy right?

I Recently had someone that asked if I would match another providers rates. Ummm last time I checked this is NOT Walmart. That was probably most insulting thing that anyone could do.

It seems more regular members (couple seniors out there) think this practice is going to work and it may on some but it surely will bite you in the ass one day.

I do understand that having a positive review is wonderful and great marketing to have but surely I can't be the only one out there that thinks if you do a good job regardless of your rates someone is going to give you a positive review anyways.[/QUOTE]When someone attempts to negotiate rates (especially with well reviewed providers) all they do is antagonize the target provider on at least two fronts: 1). No one likes a cheap Ass and two). Providers set their rates at a number they are comfortable with so once you attempt to negotiate you come across as disrespectful as you've made it clear just by asking that you don't value the opinion of the provider or herself deemed worth. If you are looking to not invest in the experience more than a certain price point then "shop" within that price point. Don't think you'll get Ruth Cris quality on a sizzler budget because it's not going to happen. What is going to happen is that that provider will tell all her friends who will tell their friends and you will almost certainly end up on a blacklist as a cheap haggler.

Another thing, if you are on a roll and want to piss off a provider that is reputable and known for providing a nice incall be sure to ask for "car play" or a "car date". WTF most of your established well reviewed providers are over 30. Give them a break, they didn't get their reputations from offering blow and go's in the back of your Toyota.

[QUOTE=Stingray007;3317055]I just had the pleasure of my first visit with Sam / Samantha today. When I opened the door, I saw a very Beautiful young woman dressed in a sexy school girl outfit. For those of you that have seen her, Samantha's eyes are so pretty. The room was clean. She looked amazing. She was incredibly sweet and charming. Great personality. I didn't see any signs of drug use. Samantha seemed clean, very alert and wanting to have a great time. A great time was had by me today. She spoiled me with her skills and they are top notch. I plan to repeat often. Samantha is a real gem in my book.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure you would know the signs if they were smacking you in the face because your too busy trying to figure out how to play in the rain without a raincoat. Some things never change do they?

In my experience, a provider that wants a good review will provide a good location and then blow your fucking mind so there's no doubt in anyone's mind whether they're any good or not.

If someone is offering a discount for a review chances are it's because they're already trying to make up ground for poor services.

[QUOTE=Sarag;3316316]. Don't think you'll get Ruth Cris quality on a sizzler budget because it's not going to happen...[/QUOTE]Is there still Sizzlers' in business? I liked the Malibu Chicken, yum.

[QUOTE=Mwdude;3320008]In my experience, a provider that wants a good review will provide a good location and then blow your fucking mind so there's no doubt in anyone's mind whether they're any good or not.

If someone is offering a discount for a review chances are it's because they're already trying to make up ground for poor services.[/QUOTE]LOL. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. BTW where the hell have you been? LOL.

Oh Bob0324 I went ahead and looked up if Sizzler was still in buisness and looks like FL is where it's at buddy LOL I highly agree with SaraG's comment though. Perhaps the newbies one of these will fully understand it.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3320137]Is there still Sizzlers' in business? I liked the Malibu Chicken, yum.[/QUOTE]My recollection is the Sizzler Malibu Chicken consisted of a Tyson breaded chicken puck with a slice of lunch meat and melted cheese on top. Everyone has their own tastes I guess.

You can't find 5 Mmgegs on the shelf at Walmart. You probably CAN find 5 cans of lice spray. Good service ain't cheap. Cheap service ain't typically good.

[QUOTE=Mmgeg;3316012]It seems that the " negotiating " term has been used more frequently than before. I don't know if it's because of what has happened to BP and some of the people that use BP are coming over to this site or not. I have not had to deal with this issue until recently. I look at it as a disrespect factor. If you want to see a provider bad enough then the rates should not be a issue and you would have no issue being screened. (another topic but won't discuss at this time) .

When I have someone that wants to " negotiate ' rates or tell me he's used to paying this amount or tell me he contacted someone else and they are willing to see him for this amount. Ummmm. Then go ahead and see them then. Should be that easy right?

I Recently had someone that asked if I would match another providers rates. Ummm last time I checked this is NOT Walmart. That was probably most insulting thing that anyone could do.

It seems more regular members (couple seniors out there) think this practice is going to work and it may on some but it surely will bite you in the ass one day.

I do understand that having a positive review is wonderful and great marketing to have but surely I can't be the only one out there that thinks if you do a good job regardless of your rates someone is going to give you a positive review anyways.[/QUOTE]

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FF you know I consider you to be a great and valuable resource here but when your posts drive members to ask me to delete their posts and further to ask to be removed from the forum you have gone too far.

You're enough of a monger to know that YMMV is always in effect and ALL of your experience may or may not be his. Chicks are allowed to address guys on threads like this. By allowing her to manipulate you into doing this you bring your cred and not hers to the argument.

The simple fact is, and I'm every bit the monger you are, is you have no fucking idea what happened when he was there. None, zero, nada. I often tell the story of the Anita Ocean lookalike that used to work down here that had years of shitty reviews on the forum down here but I wanted to go fuck her anyway because she looked just like one of my favorite pornstars. I don't know why but for some reason she took a shine to me and always, without exception gave me pornstar sex. I saw her for a couple years and during that time she continued to get absolutely shitty reviews. I'll never know why but that's what happened.

This guy said she gave him a discount, maybe she did maybe she didn't. He said he thought she might be high then he said after she seemed normal. It wasn't a bad review and one that would tend to make me want to see her.

I don't care that she doesn't like it and I don't care that she got your nuts all twisted about it. What I do care is that guys feel like they can post their experiences here without getting their cocks chopped off by a guy with a zillion posts.

I know you're not going to like this but this is serious shit and effects the way people use the forum so I had to say something. I'm not taking his side, I don't know him. I'm taking the forum's side and doing what needs doing so that people feel comfortable sharing here.

You're more than welcomed to call me an asshole or write me about this if you want.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=RonBurgIndy;3322717]You can't find 5 Mmgegs on the shelf at Walmart. You probably CAN find 5 cans of lice spray. Good service ain't cheap. Cheap service ain't typically good.[/QUOTE]Would have to work from home, would be drained and too weak to leave if Mmgood was my s / o.

Thank you A2.

Intimidation tactics seem to be a running theme with a few members. I, for one, still hope they get banned for it eventually. They do more harm then good.

As was expected, the obligitory posting by someone in order to get under people's skin and start another shit storm of back and forth posts just to get his rocks off. This time I suggest everyone to just ignore.

Sincerely Signed,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;3323928]As was expected, the obligitory posting by someone in order to get under people's skin and start another shit storm of back and forth posts just to get his rocks off. This time I suggest everyone to just ignore.

Sincerely Signed,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard.[/QUOTE]Best strategy.

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FF you know I consider you to be a great and valuable resource here but when your posts drive members to ask me to delete their posts and further to ask to be removed from the forum you have gone too far.

You're enough of a monger to know that YMMV is always in effect and ALL of your experience may or may not be his. Chicks are allowed to address guys on threads like this. By allowing her to manipulate you into doing this you bring your cred and not hers to the argument.

The simple fact is, and I'm every bit the monger you are, is you have no fucking idea what happened when he was there. None, zero, nada. I often tell the story of the Anita Ocean lookalike that used to work down here that had years of shitty reviews on the forum down here but I wanted to go fuck her anyway because she looked just like one of my favorite pornstars. I don't know why but for some reason she took a shine to me and always, without exception gave me pornstar sex. I saw her for a couple years and during that time she continued to get absolutely shitty reviews. I'll never know why but that's what happened.

This guy said she gave him a discount, maybe she did maybe she didn't. He said he thought she might be high then he said after she seemed normal. It wasn't a bad review and one that would tend to make me want to see her.

I don't care that she doesn't like it and I don't care that she got your nuts all twisted about it. What I do care is that guys feel like they can post their experiences here without getting their cocks chopped off by a guy with a zillion posts.

I know you're not going to like this but this is serious shit and effects the way people use the forum so I had to say something. I'm not taking his side, I don't know him. I'm taking the forum's side and doing what needs doing so that people feel comfortable sharing here.

You're more than welcomed to call me an asshole or write me about this if you want.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I read this before A2 got to it, then read the original review. Now I get the third perspective.

In the original review the poster did 2 things wrong. He mentioned the possible existence of a discount and the possibility of getting a provider's private number.

If a provider gives you a discount, keep your mouth shut about it. Because every monger from that point on will feel they deserve the same discount. If a provider gives you her private number, keep your mouth shut about it. Because, the same thing will happen.

You want the provider to be happy she saw you. That way she will see you again.

In his reply FF did something wrong, he made privileged information public.

I accept that a provider may discuss my shortcomings with others. Hopefully she has more good than bad things to talk about. If there is a problem with my behavior, I expect her to share it with her escort friends. This gives me incentive to behave appropriately.

However, any problems with my behavior, or my performance, are not for public display. If someone takes up for a provider, it should be handled privately. Sit down with the offending party and explain the problem.

By taking it public you've harmed the provider's reputation. What monger wants to risk being outed?

I understand the urge. I'm always quick to defend my friends, but often, when rushing to battle, I make things worse.

Things I've learned:

1) Everyone has a different perspective.

2) Let others fight their own battles.

3) Discretion, in all things.

4) No review tells the whole story.

5) Don't do anything to distract A2 from his mongering.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3323991]I read this before A2 got to it, then read the original review. Now I get the third perspective.

In the original review the poster did 2 things wrong. He mentioned the possible existence of a discount and the possibility of getting a provider's private number.

If a provider gives you a discount, keep your mouth shut about it. Because every monger from that point on will feel they deserve the same discount. If a provider gives you her private number, keep your mouth shut about it. Because, the same thing will happen.

You want the provider to be happy she saw you. That way she will see you again.

In his reply FF did something wrong, he made privileged information public.

I accept that a provider may discuss my shortcomings with others. Hopefully she has more good than bad things to talk about. If there is a problem with my behavior, I expect her to share it with her escort friends. This gives me incentive to behave appropriately.

However, any problems with my behavior, or my performance, are not for public display. If someone takes up for a provider, it should be handled privately. Sit down with the offending party and explain the problem.

By taking it public you've harmed the provider's reputation. What monger wants to risk being outed?

I understand the urge. I'm always quick to defend my friends, but often, when rushing to battle, I make things worse.

Things I've learned:

1) Everyone has a different perspective.

2) Let others fight their own battles.

3) Discretion, in all things.

4) No review tells the whole story.

5) Don't do anything to distract A2 from his mongering.[/QUOTE]Excellent points provided in a logical and coherent manner with the perfect added touch of a little humor at the end. I learned something today and I thank you.

Especially with Assholes like me. I understand your points. I didn't ask him to delete his post only to modify it to reflect what I understood to be a totally different portion of the story and what you see as a YMMV situation. He has been a good resource to the board and I went too far in my condemnation of his experience. Jjbee shed a more pragmatic view, as he always does, on the situation. I may have to hire him as my editor for future posts. The one thing I try to do is admit when I am wrong, so keep up the good work A2. Sorry I ruined your day.

I appreciate the PM's and I apologize for the slam on the board. I should have handled it in a different way. Also Erica appreciates the clarification post in the Backpage Reviews thread.

Provider A and B are friends. Provider A sees Monger X and tells provider B she was concerned but not to the point to warn Provider B of Monger X. Provider B is contacted by Monger X and sets up an appointment. However she has some concerns so she has a Monger friend come over and hide in the closet during the session to ensure her safety during the session. What if Provider B hid a tape recorder in the room to tape her session for either safety reasons or so her SO can hear all the dirty details? What if Provider A had a hidden Go-Pro or left her laptop running on Skype or on record? What if texts are exchanged after a session has ended clarifying any conversations during the session? Based on these scenarios if a review is posted and some things are said in the review that don't coincide with what the monger friend heard, what is on tape, on Skype, video taped or texted is it a YMMV situation?

Some providers don't wish to show their presence on the board for many reasons. So if the above situation occurs and someone has information that is factual is it "White Knighting" to clarify the experience? Is this just true if posted on open forums and not through PM's?

If you see something you think is true at first and realize it's not true then why say anything at all. Example: I was with a provider and headed towards some tasty DATY. I noticed bumps around the ladies dining area. At first I thought, Herpes! However after closer inspection I noticed it was just razor burn. So should I even mention what I first thought to be true when I realized it wasn't?

When someone posts a provider does BBFS during a session, whether it's true or not, then it has many consequences. One it drives those that want that service towards her and if she doesn't do it she has to be extra careful with new and some old clients that may want that type of service. It drives current clients that have no interest in that type of behavior away from her. It causes her phone to blow up with all kinds of questions about did she really do it, why don't you do it with me, how much more do you charge for that type of service, etc. So be careful about what you say about your experience. It can hurt the reputation of a good provider and it can hurt your future experiences with providers that don't allow it and now know you do it.

All the things above are worth pondering. Integrity in a business that society views with distaste is important.

[QUOTE=IndyAnon;3323868]Thank you A2.

Intimidation tactics seem to be a running theme with a few members. I, for one, still hope they get banned for it eventually. They do more harm then good.[/QUOTE]I love you so much that I wish I was a provider so I could suck your dick! But I'm not and I don't swing that way. Be safe my friend.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3324807]Provider A and B are friends. Provider A sees Monger X and tells provider B she was concerned but not to the point to warn Provider B of Monger X. Provider B is contacted by Monger X and sets up an appointment. However she has some concerns so she has a Monger friend come over and hide in the closet during the session to ensure her safety during the session. What if Provider B hid a tape recorder in the room to tape her session for either safety reasons or so her SO can hear all the dirty details? What if Provider A had a hidden Go-Pro or left her laptop running on Skype or on record? What if texts are exchanged after a session has ended clarifying any conversations during the session? Based on these scenarios if a review is posted and some things are said in the review that don't coincide with what the monger friend heard, what is on tape, on Skype, video taped or texted is it a YMMV situation?

Some providers don't wish to show their presence on the board for many reasons. So if the above situation occurs and someone has information that is factual is it "White Knighting" to clarify the experience? Is this just true if posted on open forums and not through PM's?

If you see something you think is true at first and realize it's not true then why say anything at all. Example: I was with a provider and headed towards some tasty DATY. I noticed bumps around the ladies dining area. At first I thought, Herpes! However after closer inspection I noticed it was just razor burn. So should I even mention what I first thought to be true when I realized it wasn't?

When someone posts a provider does BBFS during a session, whether it's true or not, then it has many consequences. One it drives those that want that service towards her and if she doesn't do it she has to be extra careful with new and some old clients that may want that type of service. It drives current clients that have no interest in that type of behavior away from her. It causes her phone to blow up with all kinds of questions about did she really do it, why don't you do it with me, how much more do you charge for that type of service, etc. So be careful about what you say about your experience. It can hurt the reputation of a good provider and it can hurt your future experiences with providers that don't allow it and now know you do it.

All the things above are worth pondering. Integrity in a business that society views with distaste is important.[/QUOTE]I see no integrity in recording or broadcasting someone without their permission or with people hiding and spying on a session. If any of that were to happen to me then I would raise holy hell and give the people involved something to truly be concerned about.

[QUOTE=StonesRoller69;3324840]I see no integrity in recording or broadcasting someone without their permission or with people hiding and spying on a session. If any of that were to happen to me then I would raise holy hell and give the people involved something to truly be concerned about.[/QUOTE]I am sorry to say that all of us are being recorded without our permission by multiple sources on a daily basis. Do we like it? I certainly don't. But unfortunately it is now a part of our modern society. So just keep in mind everyone, that the possibility of it always exists. Even modern home security systems can video record inside the home. Mine does.

As always, stay safe. Kyussfan.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3323991]I'm always quick to defend my friends, but often, when rushing to battle, I make things worse.[/QUOTE]Fuck these are some wise words, and not just for the world of hookers.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3324790]Especially with Assholes like me. I understand your points. I didn't ask him to delete his post only to modify it to reflect what I understood to be a totally different portion of the story and what you see as a YMMV situation. He has been a good resource to the board and I went too far in my condemnation of his experience. Jjbee shed a more pragmatic view, as he always does, on the situation. I may have to hire him as my editor for future posts. The one thing I try to do is admit when I am wrong, so keep up the good work A2. Sorry I ruined your day.[/QUOTE]No worries bubba, you're heart is always in the right place. Sometimes I need to temper your enthusiasm is all. I figured you would take the admonishment well.

You didn't even come close to ruining my day hoss.

This one canceled on me that day, that was what ruined my day.

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[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3324807]Some providers don't wish to show their presence on the board for many reasons. So if the above situation occurs and someone has information that is factual is it "White Knighting" to clarify the experience? Is this just true if posted on open forums and not through PM's?[/QUOTE][BLUE]Yes, it is. White knighting has nothing to do about the truthiness of a what you're saying. Often white knights have the truth on their side. White knighting happens when you strap on the armor and get on the horse.

In ALL of those scenarios you described you don't have a dog in any of those fights. Why would you ever put yourself in the middle of horse shit like that?

This is some simple shit here. Read about fucking girls, go fuck girls, write about fucking girls, then repeat. Literally there is no more to it than that. I get the social aspect, as a society you guys are getting more and more insulated everyday so people get a lot of their interpersonal stuff online, but as far as having to "clarify" other people's posts? Fuck that. Post your shit, more guys will believe what you post than what most other people post and stay out of the chicks shit. Life is short and there is a lot of pussy to fuck.

The last part wasn't a ruling, it was my opinion.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=Admin2;3325010][BLUE] Life is short and there is a lot of pussy to fuck.
A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]As it is written, so let it be done.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3324807]Provider A and B are friends. Provider A sees Monger X and tells provider B she was concerned but not to the point to warn Provider B of Monger X. Provider B is contacted by Monger X and sets up an appointment. However she has some concerns so she has a Monger friend come over and hide in the closet during the session to ensure her safety during the session. What if Provider B hid a tape recorder in the room to tape her session for either safety reasons or so her SO can hear all the dirty details? What if Provider A had a hidden Go-Pro or left her laptop running on Skype or on record? What if texts are exchanged after a session has ended clarifying any conversations during the session? Based on these scenarios if a review is posted and some things are said in the review that don't coincide with what the monger friend heard, what is on tape, on Skype, video taped or texted is it a YMMV situation?

Some providers don't wish to show their presence on the board for many reasons. So if the above situation occurs and someone has information that is factual is it "White Knighting" to clarify the experience? Is this just true if posted on open forums and not through PM's?

If you see something you think is true at first and realize it's not true then why say anything at all. Example: I was with a provider and headed towards some tasty DATY. I noticed bumps around the ladies dining area. At first I thought, Herpes! However after closer inspection I noticed it was just razor burn. So should I even mention what I first thought to be true when I realized it wasn't?

When someone posts a provider does BBFS during a session, whether it's true or not, then it has many consequences. One it drives those that want that service towards her and if she doesn't do it she has to be extra careful with new and some old clients that may want that type of service. It drives current clients that have no interest in that type of behavior away from her. It causes her phone to blow up with all kinds of questions about did she really do it, why don't you do it with me, how much more do you charge for that type of service, etc. So be careful about what you say about your experience. It can hurt the reputation of a good provider and it can hurt your future experiences with providers that don't allow it and now know you do it.

All the things above are worth pondering. Integrity in a business that society views with distaste is important.[/QUOTE]This gets a bit sticky. For this "Mon." and "pro" are short for monger and provider.

Mongering is a risky business for both sides. Mon X raises flags for pro A, who passes a "be alert" to pro B. Ethically pro B can refuse to see Mon. X, or can arrange for some sort of external backup. However, if she transmits the session outside her location, or allows another to view the session from inside the location, she's broken the code.

When Mon. Meets pro the agreement is this is just between us. Imagine a pro's response if you set up a laptop to broadcast the session, just for your protection, or brought a friend to watch. Imagine the average Mon. Response of finding someone hiding in the closet.

To me this makes anything learned about a session through these methods inadmissible. You can't use Mon. X's actions against him, because they were seen / heard through a violation of his rights.

Now, if the information is obtained through a post session exchange, it goes back to he said / she said. Even if you get to see the text exchanges, you may not have the full story. If you have the full story through watching video, it goes back to inadmissible.

Perceptions are tricky. If pro B had a warning about Mon. X, then her perception of him is different than if she had been told he was great and a lot of fun. The meanings of his words and actions change. Compliments become creepy, jokes become scary.

When the details are shared, the original perception is amplified. Pro B's prejudices add to your prejudices.

Public vs. Private.

Does it pose a serious risk to the community? Does the pro have a disease? Is she engaging in risky behavior? Is there a potential for robbery or violence? Is it possible Uncle has adopted her? Public.

Did the Mon. Issue a threat? Did he refuse to pay? Does he have a disease? Was his behavior bad enough that the pro felt threatened? Public.

Just about everything else, keep it private.

If you call me out in public, I won't hear you. All I hear is a challenge. If you sit me down in private, there's a chance I'll listen. Maybe I'll see my mistakes and modify my behavior.

Details.

Occasionally a review pops up that was written for Penthouse Forum. I assume they are just for entertainment, not information. In my opinion a review only needs a few things. Scheduling issues, location safety and cleanliness, accuracy of photos, any variations between services offered and given, upselling, attitude and concerns.

I don't need a play by play. Was she enjoyable? Did get what you paid for? Did you feel safe? Did the place reek of cat piss? All the other details, keep to yourself, because they will be YMMV.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3325075]This gets a bit sticky. For this "Mon." and "pro" are short for monger and provider.

Mongering is a risky business for both sides. Mon X raises flags for pro A, who passes a "be alert" to pro B. Ethically pro B can refuse to see Mon. X, or can arrange for some sort of external backup. However, if she transmits the session outside her location, or allows another to view the session from inside the location, she's broken the code.

When Mon. Meets pro the agreement is this is just between us. Imagine a pro's response if you set up a laptop to broadcast the session, just for your protection, or brought a friend to watch. Imagine the average Mon. Response of finding someone hiding in the closet.

To me this makes anything learned about a session through these methods inadmissible. You can't use Mon. X's actions against him, because they were seen / heard through a violation of his rights.

Now, if the information is obtained through a post session exchange, it goes back to he said / she said. Even if you get to see the text exchanges, you may not have the full story. If you have the full story through watching video, it goes back to inadmissible.

Perceptions are tricky. If pro B had a warning about Mon. X, then her perception of him is different than if she had been told he was great and a lot of fun. The meanings of his words and actions change. Compliments become creepy, jokes become scary.

When the details are shared, the original perception is amplified. Pro B's prejudices add to your prejudices.

Public vs. Private.

Does it pose a serious risk to the community? Does the pro have a disease? Is she engaging in risky behavior? Is there a potential for robbery or violence? Is it possible Uncle has adopted her? Public.

Did the Mon. Issue a threat? Did he refuse to pay? Does he have a disease? Was his behavior bad enough that the pro felt threatened? Public.

Just about everything else, keep it private.

If you call me out in public, I won't hear you. All I hear is a challenge. If you sit me down in private, there's a chance I'll listen. Maybe I'll see my mistakes and modify my behavior.

Details.

Occasionally a review pops up that was written for Penthouse Forum. I assume they are just for entertainment, not information. In my opinion a review only needs a few things. Scheduling issues, location safety and cleanliness, accuracy of photos, any variations between services offered and given, upselling, attitude and concerns.

I don't need a play by play. Was she enjoyable? Did get what you paid for? Did you feel safe? Did the place reek of cat piss? All the other details, keep to yourself, because they will be YMMV.[/QUOTE]Once again, Jjbee62, more wise words. If there is a bottom line for me it is that providers should not see mongers they have concerns about and should never resort to those tactics.

I don't read this section frequently, but glad I caught these last several exchanges. Eye opening for sure. I'm sure there are some like me who don't play in this space anywhere near the degree others of you do. That said, I appreciate all of your reviews and insights. If you have been around here long enough, most of us are smart enough and / or aware enough to know when something has become personal or we at least understand the general intent of the person posting.

[QUOTE=Kyussfan;3324925]I am sorry to say that all of us are being recorded without our permission by multiple sources on a daily basis. Do we like it? I certainly don't. But unfortunately it is now a part of our modern society. So just keep in mind everyone, that the possibility of it always exists. Even modern home security systems can video record inside the home. Mine does.

As always, stay safe. Kyussfan.[/QUOTE]I never fuck by the microwave oven anymore.

[QUOTE=LingusUs41;3325361]I never fuck by the microwave oven anymore.[/QUOTE]I once fucked a chick on top of a microwave oven.

She had the hottest ass.

Kyussfan.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3325075]To me this makes anything learned about a session through these methods inadmissible. You can't use Mon. X's actions against him, because they were seen / heard through a violation of his rights.[/QUOTE]JJ, you and I agree on most things but on this one I must disagree. In this hobbby where I have learned that many hobbyists have as little or less integrity than the providers, you can find out a lot when when I monger thinks "no one is looking". Some mongers are true but they are the exception rather than the norm.

Sincerely Signed,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

And I ran across this. How many of you are too young to get the reference:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?22074-Suitcase-city-shanking&p=3325651&viewfull=1#post3325651[/URL]

[QUOTE=Indyguy69;3327031]And I ran across this. How many of you are too young to get the reference:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?22074-Suitcase-city-shanking&p=3325651&viewfull=1#post3325651[/URL][/QUOTE]That right there is brilliant.

YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I ORDERED IT! Jessup really got the shaft in that movie.

TeamCommando is a real American hero! To all our seasoned Seniors I thank you.

Show of hands from the group:

Who here hasn't cut his teeth getting ghosted, ripped off, threatened, disappointed, clock watched, dead fished, bait-and-switched, sad handjobbed, money robbed, itchy, or bitchy, all in the sake of TOFTT? My guess if you haven't, you've ridden the coattails of seniors who've jumped on more than one grenade for you youngsters. That being said, I did and still RTFF as much as possible when I'm checking out someone new. This forum beats the meat out of anything else on the interweb.

Now get off my lawn and go mow your own!

Ron.

[QUOTE=Indyguy69;3327031]And I ran across this. How many of you are too young to get the reference:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?22074-Suitcase-city-shanking&p=3325651&viewfull=1#post3325651[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;3326184]JJ, you and I agree on most things but on this one I must disagree. In this hobbby where I have learned that many hobbyists have as little or less integrity than the providers, you can find out a lot when when I monger thinks "no one is looking". Some mongers are true but they are the exception rather than the norm.

Sincerely Signed,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard.[/QUOTE]Sad, but true.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;3327893]That's why I asked. He said he had a date set up and I wondered what he had to say about it now, you shouldn't brag about it and then keep us all in suspense, it's just not not fair. That's like one of us setting up a date then not paying the providers fee we previously agreed to it seems like. Someone just did that to Journey too the other day, hard to believe. Journey is such a sweet girl next door, and a great time BCD, you wouldn't think anyone would ever even think of doing that. Of course if anyone ever tried that with Mgeg I am pretty sure there would be hell to pay.[/QUOTE]So. If a provider's has certain rules that she goes by and the client dismisses them because they don't want to follow the park's admission guidelines then you will be denied entry simple as that.

Him not responded I can almost certainly guarantee he is not in the hospital recovering from shock, breathing difficulties, or loss of sensation in legs. (Things I have been known to cause ha ha) can certainly guarantee he has a case of blue balls (and probably will for quite some time since he is on the naughty list now), since he wanted to ride without paying admission to the park.

Moral of the story is: don't be a dick. Respect them, pay the admission and enjoy one hell of a ride.

He just hasn't came out from under the rock, sorry pothole that he came out of to begin with to respond. I doubt he does.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3325075]However, if she transmits the session outside her location, or allows another to view the session from inside the location, she's broken the code. set up a laptop to broadcast the session, just for your protection, or brought a friend to watch. Imagine the average Mon. Response of finding someone hiding in the closet. To me this makes anything learned about a session through these methods inadmissible. You can't use Mon. X's actions against him, because they were seen / heard through a violation of his rights. If you have the full story through watching video, it goes back to inadmissible.

Does it pose a serious risk to the community? Does the pro have a disease? Is she engaging in risky behavior? Is there a potential for robbery or violence? Is it possible Uncle has adopted her? Public.[/QUOTE]Well thanks again for your input Jjbee. Your pragmatism has won over and now reluctantly I have several items for sale.

1. Four Go-Pros with lamps, laundry basket, alarm clock included. Recording device is separate.

2. Three Digital voice recorders. If I leave the 1,000 hours of current recordings on them then the price is double. Deleting the good stuff is free of charge.

3. One laptop with a 40 gig hard drive. The Logitech HD Webcam is included along with the Corel Video Studio software.

4. Two 30" X 80" two way glass mirrors with closet hangers and rollers. Fits most standard closet designs. The inside of the glass will be cleaned before sale is complete.

I guess I need to find another hobby!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3328351]I have several items for sale.

1. Four Go-Pros with lamps.[/QUOTE]I will take 2 Go-Pros. Might as well be able to do the male and female via at once. Cut me a deal and I will send you copies of the female view videos.

Sincerely Signed,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard (and aspiring filmmaker).

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3328351]Well thanks again for your input Jjbee. Your pragmatism has won over and now reluctantly I have several items for sale.

1. Four Go-Pros with lamps, laundry basket, alarm clock included. Recording device is separate.

2. Three Digital voice recorders. If I leave the 1,000 hours of current recordings on them then the price is double. Deleting the good stuff is free of charge.

3. One laptop with a 40 gig hard drive. The Logitech HD Webcam is included along with the Corel Video Studio software.

4. Two 30" X 80" two way glass mirrors with closet hangers and rollers. Fits most standard closet designs. The inside of the glass will be cleaned before sale is complete.

I guess I need to find another hobby![/QUOTE]I think this needs explaining.

Whatever lengths a provider goes to for personal protection is up to her. If she's sharing that, I personally trust your discretion.

However, with the average, badly behaving monger, telling them "I know you did that because I was watching", is unlikely to resolve anything. It's opening up a lot of potential trouble, for minimal gain.

The guy has already shown a lack of integrity, or you wouldn't be discussing things with him. He's unlikely, in my opinion, to take any advice, after learning 2 or more people have a recording of his session. In his mind, his behavior is acceptable, or he wouldn't act that way. Which makes you and the provider to blame. Is he going to post that she's recording sessions and using them against people? Is he going to start stalking her? Will he get violent? About the only thing you can count on is that he will be angry.

This is why, in my opinion it's inadmissible.

This is coming from a fellow voyeur, mostly retired.

[QUOTE=Mmgeg;3328232]So. If a provider's has certain rules that she goes by and the client dismisses them because they don't want to follow the park's admission guidelines then you will be denied entry simple as that.

Him not responded I can almost certainly guarantee he is not in the hospital recovering from shock, breathing difficulties, or loss of sensation in legs. (Things I have been known to cause ha ha) can certainly guarantee he has a case of blue balls (and probably will for quite some time since he is on the naughty list now), since he wanted to ride without paying admission to the park.

Moral of the story is: don't be a dick. Respect them, pay the admission and enjoy one hell of a ride.

He just hasn't came out from under the rock, sorry pothole that he came out of to begin with to respond. I doubt he does.[/QUOTE]I can attest to the breathing difficulties, and they weren't caused by asthma.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3328429]I think this needs explaining.

Whatever lengths a provider goes to for personal protection is up to her. If she's sharing that, I personally trust your discretion.

However, with the average, badly behaving monger, telling them "I know you did that because I was watching", is unlikely to resolve anything. It's opening up a lot of potential trouble, for minimal gain.

The guy has already shown a lack of integrity, or you wouldn't be discussing things with him. He's unlikely, in my opinion, to take any advice, after learning 2 or more people have a recording of his session. In his mind, his behavior is acceptable, or he wouldn't act that way. Which makes you and the provider to blame. Is he going to post that she's recording sessions and using them against people? Is he going to start stalking her? Will he get violent? About the only thing you can count on is that he will be angry.

This is why, in my opinion it's inadmissible.

This is coming from a fellow voyeur, mostly retired.[/QUOTE]I think the concepts I was trying to get across in my original post caused some confusion, except with A2 who clarified the "White Knight". So I will be blunt.

1. White Knighting: Whether you are standing right next to the action between Provider and MongerX or seeing a video, or listening to voice tapes or any other factual information, sticking up for a provider who won't come on the board to speak for herself is considered "White Knighting". As A2 said "In ALL of those scenarios you described you don't have a dog in any of those fights. Why would you ever put yourself in the middle of horse shit like that?" So many times I guess I like horse shit as do many others on this board but if you're still a white knight if you get involved by posting. I will assume back channels between two mongers to discuss the facts is not a White Knight situation until it becomes public.

2. Miss Information: I used a STD to make a point which was missed. So if you post "I thought she had herpes and later determined it was razor burn" or "I thought she was high and later determined she wasn't", then why post it at all. Why bring up a potential negative when you realize it's not true. This goes to my last point made in the post.

3. Reputations: When you post something like my example of BBFS when it didn't happen or discounts for repeats or private phone numbers or the above topic, and it's not factual it causes a stir. Conversations take place between mongers and providers that are a result of the post. A provider gets angry over the misinformation. Other mongers get butt hurt because the feel mistreated because they didn't get the same thing as what was posted. Now if it's true, posting this information can definitely be a case of YMMV. But making something up can hurt the reputation of the provider. It can hurt the reputation of the monger as well in many ways.

So my point of integrity is it has to go both ways, monger and provider. I guess my lesson learned is to handle it differently. The problem with integrity is, I see it less and less with both providers and mongers. I shouldn't be surprised this is an illegal profession and hobby, so who gives a shit about integrity? Well I care and I know others that do as well.

So I guess I will keep my armor and ride my horse from time to time, call me what you want. I will burn the providers that I determine are active addicts, liars and live a life of deception. I will PM mongers I don't agree with and challenge them behind the scenes. I will still use this thread when needed to take aim on those that my friends and I feel are devoid of character. Also, just to be clear I have never lost my integrity by watching, listening or hiding during a session when a monger was clueless. It was sarcasm, however realize one thing, it happens but it is rare.

Having been in this a long time it is apparent that a number of ladies deny doing taboo play due to the stigma attached to it. From experience I can honestly say a number do however participate in it if they know their clients well and vice versa. No judgements being made just facts. What a man and woman choose to do behind closed doors is their business and no one elses. The operative words are choose your partners wisely and avoid the druggies if and when you can. JMO and no fingers being pointed and expect the same courtesy in return. We are all on here for different reasons. Have a good week and enjoy the oncoming warm spring on it's way.