Ripoff Reports

[QUOTE=GentlemanDiver;4354318]Thank you for the kind words. In this world we live in (and the experiences I've had are global, not just the USA), it pays to be prepared for any situation. Plan for the worse, hope for the better or best outcome.

Gone are the decency of humans as a whole. Yes, you can still find decency all over, but it not as common as it use to be. There are way more scams, cons, etc. Then every before. People need to realize this and plan accordingly and that you just cannot expect people to be decent anymore. (this is a general comment not skewed by our 'hobby' choices).

I almost went the way of just letting it go, but (the demon inside of me) was not going to be 'that guy' that got rolled. So things escalated the way they did, and no matter my planning, ultimately I had no idea (in the moment) how anything would play out. I just had to stick to what I knew and control that portion to make as minimal mistakes as possible.

I treat everything like a risk ladder, only going as high on the ladder as I'm willing to go with every situation. No reason to keep standing on the top rung if you only need to be on the lower or middle rung. Being aware and accepting any risk is the first step to protecting yourself.[/QUOTE]How much money was it? I'm guessing 2 - 3 which to me, isn't worth displaying a weapon. If the situation had escalated and she got physical or her handlers burst through the door and you had to use the weapon I can't imagine it was worth the $ lost. I try to put the big picture into perspective where any weapon available to me is for one thing only. My protection. A few hundo just isn't worth it.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4354561]How much money was it? I'm guessing 2 - 3 which to me, isn't worth displaying a weapon. If the situation had escalated and she got physical or her handlers burst through the door and you had to use the weapon I can't imagine it was worth the $ lost. I try to put the big picture into perspective where any weapon available to me is for one thing only. My protection. A few hundo just isn't worth it.[/QUOTE]It's obviously worth it to him. As he said, he was in the Outlaw MC. Folks who can live that life are not ones who get rolled in this manner. Stupid girl and her agency handlers are lucky this is how it turned out. Unfortunately, I know they didn't learn their lesson and will keep at it.

[QUOTE=GentlemanDiver;4353077]
Did I go to far?
[/QUOTE]In my humble opinion, you did. Never pull a gun you are not going to use. And don't even think of having one close by without considering all the possibilities and consequences.

Just one man's opinion.

C3.

[QUOTE=Camera3;4354750]In my humble opinion, you did. Never pull a gun you are not going to use. And don't even think of having one close by without considering all the possibilities and consequences.

Just one man's opinion.

C3.[/QUOTE]Although it was unchambered in this case, I'm sure he was willing to rack the slide and pull the trigger if need be. Fucking agency scammers. I've never gone to such extreme measures as this guy, but I'm glad it never came to that.

I will gladly waste a girl's and / or an agency's time though. When a girl comes up to the gate who is not the girl pictured in the ad, I will walk up and told her that I would not be following through with the appointment. Not even a dime for gas money is given. Gladly this has only happened twice, and I usually don't do outcalls anyhow unless it's with a stripper or UTR that I know. Once was with Scarlette, who's been mentioned several times on the forum, and once was with a random. I should have put them both in here because they both tried to rip me off. I don't recall the ad I responded to the other time it happened and it was several months ago. I live in a fairly large complex with a guarded gate. I went to greet the girl and one was clearly not the girl at all, and Scarlette heavily touches up her photos and uses old ones. Both of them asked if I could at least give them some money for gas. I told them both that the agreed upon donation was waiting in an envelope in the bathroom, but that they will not be making it that far or even past the gate because they are not the person depicted in the ad.

I make that clear to all providers while I texting them that I will walk away if it's not them in the picture of if the pictures are heavily airbrushed or old. I emphasize it that the pictures must be them and must be recent. I even ask them if they are willing to take selfies of what they are currently wearing. Many oblige. Many don't. They all get fair warning though. I tell them that I'm still able to think with the head on my shoulders and will most definitely not follow through. I've had a lot of girls tell me I'm asking too much and they decline to come, and that's fair because a lot of them would not be let in anyhow. I've also possibly lost some legitimately decent bookings as well, but it's how I choose to cautiously operate. Even when I go to an incall I do something similar and communicate the same points. I've only had to leave an incall once. I know I'm not shutting down any agencies, but at least I'm not contributing to their bottom line. Not even a little.

Both ripoffs thankfully, didn't cost me any money directly. Just the time I took to set up the appointment and wait. It indirectly cost me money though since I was really in the mood and ended up calling my UTR and she's a little more costly haha.

[QUOTE=Camera3;4354750]In my humble opinion, you did. Never pull a gun you are not going to use. And don't even think of having one close by without considering all the possibilities and consequences.

Just one man's opinion.

C3.[/QUOTE]Never pull a gun unless you are going to use it, also, considering her size your size and your stated ability to handle yourself, was it necessary to pull a weapon at all? I don't think so. Add to this you say you were only posturing. You covered this, but I would never let a woman in these trades into my home my castle, let alone let them know where I live, triple so for one I never met / knew Nothing about. Remember, cameras alarms what ever, some of these women are connected with professionals of all sorts. Assuming you live alone or not, sooner or later NO one will be home.

Had you been in a hotel motel Incall, you would have been long gone by the time Johnny Law showed, no matter that nothing happened then, NOW you are on police radar for something. You can never know how this may affect things in the future. Probably noting at all, but we all know, the fewer people that know what we do, the safer we are doing it. I can keep my own secrets, but sadly, this nation has become one of tattle tails.

I think you did the right thing if you ask me. Fucke'm they come into your house and try to take your money from you WTF! That's outrageous, fuck yeah you pulled on her, I would've. I fought a hooker who stole a phone from my car in the middle of Fremont street at 6 AM. You did the right thing and about the winning aw she's 80 pounds and it's not fair: then don't try to rob people you fucks. That's what happens when you try to rob people WTH! Mistakes to learn from though that I think you did: those pics scream too good to be true and not only that 200 an hour for a chick like that? I mean really? You couldn't smell that?

Another piece of advice that has served me well: don't shit where you eat. I had so many opportunities to bring pussy at my house but respected the rule. I broke my rule once when I brought a pussy at my work place through the back and fucked her there. I was desperate about that one but never done it since and will probably never do it again except for that one. I understand that you are incapacitated and a man does whatever the fuck he wants in their home, I completely agree but you took a risk bringing an unknown inside. Had it been a regular that you met before yes but not someone you've never met. What I also would've done was tell her / them that I'm airbnbing the place or visiting a friend or some other lie. Never tell them that's your house you're a sitting duck from then on if they want to bring fire on you next time.

All in all good luck to you man, you did what I would've done.

[QUOTE=GentlemanDiver;4354318]Thank you for the kind words. In this world we live in (and the experiences I've had are global, not just the USA), it pays to be prepared for any situation. ..........................

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[QUOTE=RBFHatred;4354601]It's obviously worth it to him. As he said, he was in the Outlaw MC. Folks who can live that life are not ones who get rolled in this manner. Stupid girl and her agency handlers are lucky this is how it turned out. Unfortunately, I know they didn't learn their lesson and will keep at it.[/QUOTE]You sound like you understand one of the things I made sure to put as background info for exactly what could have happened or why it happened the way it did. It's not about the money, it's about the principle of it.

Let me elaborate the mentality I come from. You always see this type of stereotype in moves and TV. There is this tough guy that walks up and says. (insert correct phrase as you see fit) Do you know who your talking / dealing or I am? The guys chest is usually puffed out and (you can imagine him beating on his chest with his fists). He may or may not get in your face while saying it.

I come from a world where these kind of people never get to finish their sentence. They are instantly put on the ground with a nice abrupt 'shut the f* up' fist in the face / chin / nose. You get respect, you give respect. You get crap, you give crap.

I could never watch the popular MC TV shows that have been out or even the reality TV shows about MC life. You have no idea how fake (I mean really fake) some of that crap was. All I ever saw was a bunch of pansy as $ want to be f'rs that wanted to sit and hold each others hands.

Example. If you only knew what it meant if you saw a 4 pack of bikes riding showing a true 1% diamond patch with a bottom rocker that said 'Nomad' on it and all the bikes have a license plate not from the state you currently in. Life advice. If your a cager (4 wheeled vehicle driver) Give them a wide gap. Very wide. IF your on 2, never ride in front of them. Give them the respect of the road and let them pass any way you can. Whatever, do nothing that can be construed as disrespect. If you think you have as much right to the road as they do, you are wrong. At that moment in time, they own it. Period.

Fuck. I thought I did enough research.

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Searched the number and it was associated to the same pics each time.

Texted her, was professional in texts. Different girl shows up, she's kinda cute and I'm horny so I go with it. She takes the money and then says that pays for the service company / booking company but she wants more money for her blah blah blah you all know this story. I'm fucking pissed tell her to leave.

Now I'm out $200. Fuck that .

[QUOTE=MobyCock;4354981]NOW you are on police radar for something. [/QUOTE]You have no idea how many charges I have. I've been on the police radar for a long time. Least of my worries. They already knew who I was before ever coming to the door. I'm the guy that has to submit a multi page essay for any jobs since I have to check that box that asks if you every been convicted of any crimes. You all know what I'm talking about. Not the traffic ticket box either.

I'm actually surprise I didn't recognize any of the officers that showed up, though one was for sure a rookie. You can always tell, because the veteran / trainer usually does all the talking and the rookie actually does all the paperwork, writing the call card info down, gets the report paperwork, etc. And usually doesn't talk much.

Worried about a professional showing up? Well. Like I also stated before. When it's your time, it's your time. Nothing you can do will every change that. Won't live my life in fear.

And, I 'retired' from the MC world with full colors can respect (almost none of you without MC experience will understand what that means). If they want to compare D sizes. I'm sure they don't have the manpower that I would not need to call upon with just a text or a phone call, or a comment. But, also thinking about the possible ramifications, the police were not the only ones to get info, let alone all the info I possessed about this agency.

Sometimes the strangest things happen. I can't even say for sure what would happen in this world, because in the MC world, people 'trip' on curbs or cracks in the road all the time in the MC world. There are a lot of clumsy people around the MC world. Seriously, pay attention to 'true' patches. A lot of us 'trip' all the time, cuts, bruises, black eyes, knife / gun wounds, casts, slings, etc. We are really clumsy. I always have a drink, call, or text all the time from my brothers as normal daily life. I told a great story to some of my brothers and we had a great laugh. I live alone, I'm not alone.

[QUOTE=Camera3;4354750]In my humble opinion, you did. Never pull a gun you are not going to use. And don't even think of having one close by without considering all the possibilities and consequences.

Just one man's opinion.

C3.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your comment. And I respect and strongly agree with your words. If you think I wouldn't use a weapon if the situation called upon it, your sadly mistaken. I didn't pull a gun as you say. It was holstered and remained holstered as the situation did not require me to 'pull a gun' or 'brandish' it. I couldn't just go and undue my belt and put the holster in proper place as I had no belt at that moment thinking I was going to have a different kind of fun.

More background. I'm not an untrained weapon person. I'm combat trained (Going to give some personal info out now, NEC 5329 Combatant Swimmer. At least that's what on my DD214), and I have constantly remained around weapons. Most people don't think about the trajectory of where a bullet will go, or what it will go through. I do. I even use different round for different purposes. In this case, the weapon I did have in this moment had hydro shocks. Another weapon close by had FMJ's. Each for a distinctly different purpose. One was for close quarters direct impact where it would not penetrate through something. The other would be to penetrate through should your target take cover behind something.

I had thought it through and about what could have happened.

[QUOTE=Needed9;4356224]Fuck. I thought I did enough research.

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Searched the number and it was associated to the same pics each time.

Texted her, was professional in texts. Different girl shows up, she's kinda cute and I'm horny so I go with it. She takes the money and then says that pays for the service company / booking company but she wants more money for her blah blah blah you all know this story. I'm fucking pissed tell her to leave.

Now I'm out $200. Fuck that .[/QUOTE]This is getting silly. What ever happened to the honest provider these days!

[QUOTE=Needed9;4356224]Fuck. I thought I did enough research.

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Searched the number and it was associated to the same pics each time.

Texted her, was professional in texts. Different girl shows up, she's kinda cute and I'm horny so I go with it. She takes the money and then says that pays for the service company / booking company but she wants more money for her blah blah blah you all know this story. I'm fucking pissed tell her to leave.

Now I'm out $200. Fuck that .[/QUOTE]Outcall only and 200.00 donation are the 2 BIGGEST red flags in this city.

Where the fuck was your piece at? We all carry around here LOL! In all seriousness, it's not a joke. And you know what, it's not about the money, it's about the fucking experience of it all. I mean I see the good looking chick, I get rock hard, and then I get taken? WTF!! It sucks ass. I completely agree with the previous poster, 200 and outcall seems to be the biggest flag nowadays. Pics are also fake on the ad.

[QUOTE=Needed9;4356224]Fuck. I thought I did enough research.

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Searched the number and it was associated to the same pics each time.

Texted her, was professional in texts. Different girl shows up, she's kinda cute and I'm horny so I go with it. She takes the money and then says that pays for the service company / booking company but she wants more money for her blah blah blah you all know this story. I'm fucking pissed tell her to leave.

Now I'm out $200. Fuck that .[/QUOTE]

Whomever introduced this lass to this site is a fucking hero! If we ever meet in real life, I owe you a beer!

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[QUOTE=GentlemanDiver;4353077]Upfront disclaimer / background / etc. This is going to be a long post. SO, I'm sure a lot that read this and see this is my first post. Like many other posts I've read I'll say the typical words that I am a 'long' time lurker first time poster. I've used this site for years but kept to myself until now. What I experienced this weekend is deserving of taking the time to write a post / report and maybe get some 'constructive' feedback without any flaming if I was wrong or well within my rights of what happened.

I'm also not sure what is fully appropriate for content disclosure so I'll be vague with some details, but should be enough to search or comprehend what / who is being talked about. If not, just let me know what is appropriate and I'll elaborate where needed.

Now, I've done agency incall before, LTLV, AP, and a few others I'm not sure what their name is but were agencies. Most incall appts (not all, but most) are ran by some sort of agency.

Her posts have been around for years, same girl same number, but no major items that she was even tied to an agency. She's a hot Asian that goes by Charlie. Number usually ends in 2xx6 with a 4x0 area code. Posts all over the place, AL, AS, Mojo, CityX, and many others. Shows up under the typical sites that collect these things like eindex, and other places. Shouldn't be hard to find for those that have been around a while.

Some background about me. Ex-military, been in multiple wars and been out for many years. I'm active, travel a lot internationally, not a typical person that falls victim to scams or puts myself in situations that I don't see a way out of. I play life like chess and always think ahead multiple moves and counter moves. Never walk into a bar / strip club / brothel / sex house / AMP /(insert-any-name-here) with any more money they your willing to spend and always leave your CC's out of the equation. All my interactions are always flat fees or known range of fees.

Now, the start of the fun stuff.

Seen her posts for a while and wanted to partake. I've typically do incall / AMPs / etc. She's only does outcall. Couldn't find any major reviews (ter, etc). Took the chance (toftt?) with Charlie. Set it up accordingly. $$. 50 for the hour babe. No where in any of the text / phone calls was there any mention of Agency or Agency style fees or extra fees. I would have been prepared otherwise and declined any visit. I also didn't notice any voice differences between the person on the phone or the girl arriving at the door.

She showed up on time. I will say she looks like her photos. She was hot. Filipina (born in USA). Right up my alley for LBFM's. She was nice, friendly, etc. First red flag was she made an almost under her breath 'check in' type comment as she picked up her cell phone (didn't catch exactly what she said as she said it quietly). Didn't think too much about it as I figured it was a safety thing with her. Asked for the money up front. I didn't have a problem with that as I've done it upfront / after before. Then all of a sudden she goes into that more money needed. I stop her mid-sentence and tell her we have a problem then. NO where was I informed she worked for an agency or any extra frees where going to be required (I assumed she was with an agency now). After a little back and forth (where I don't budge) she get's the 'agency' on speaker phone. The typical you can use a CC, electronic payment, go to the atm, etc,. Thing to get more money. I'm steadfast no more money, flat fee or she gives the money back and leaves. They offer another girl to cover the arrange fee. Sent me a photo, she was decent looking and I'm like. OK (still need services). Mood was ruined with Charlie anyways. Then they are like she'll be there in 20 minutes. They hang up, Charlie starts to gather her things and (I picked up on it quickly) I asked where / what she was doing. Obviously the whole mood / air / etc turned very sour very quickly at this point with me. She said she was going to leave. I told her one of two things was going to happen, she was going to stay and wait for the other girl to show up or she was going to give the money back and leave. No money was leaving without services rendered or money returned, period.

(More background I would never touch anyone to restrain or anything otherwise, unless they initiated the physical contact first. There is a very fine line legally what can or cannot be done).

The next few moments get intense and ramp up quickly.

She gets the agency on the speakerphone again and I cut them short that there was no other options, period money stays without services rendered. NOW, they start strong arming me (over the phone really? Please. They also deploy distraction tactics and call my phone and talk to me directly to distract me from her (both on my phone and on the speaker phone) and also start explaining that I can't keep her there against her will. I agree and said she's free to leave after giving me my money back. They try and explain that wasn't going to happen and I then brought up the point that they were stealing my money now. They 'tried' to also say that it was a 'show up fee' and I said no it wasn't, it was never communicated that it was a show up fee and it was a flat fee for the hour. So, they were attempting to steal my money without services rendered (pay attention here, this is the wording I always used, even during initial text communications, never anything explicit and only 'service', if ever typed, talked, etc). During this short time of this current call (s) they now start moving to saying everything was recorded and I asked for illegal things (I'm still not phased or budging here on my stance). She hadn't moved toward the door yet and actually went away from the door a little. Right after they say these things, I hear her speaker phone 'Jasmine, you need to leave' and she makes a move to turn towards the door. I quickly tell her that I would implore you to return my money back before you attempt to leave as I would consider it robbery and will call the police.

Intensity.

I'm a big guy compared to a 100-115 lbs Filipina. The sheer physical size difference is enough to be intimidating (but I'm a teddy bear really. They don't know that).

She was not going to return the money so I quickly step to the dresser where I pull a holstered gun (unchambered) and held it at my side (straight down my leg to the ground) and politely say that it is a shame that your agency would put you in this situation and I would appreciate the return of the money that was suppose to be for services rendered and otherwise not steal my money. (Remember they are recording this) Yes, I was very detailed and calm and specific in my wording.

Intermission for more background.

I should now bring up the fact I had been recording everything from the moment she pulled into the driveway (front and back of the car including license plate). I have cameras inside and outside that record every aspect of my house. Everything is on camera and recorded. All physical interactions, motions, etc. I even have one of those typical 12"x12" white signs with red / black lettering in my front window that says WARNING, All activities are recorded to aid in the prosecution of any crime committed against this facility.

We now return to our program.

I've heard real panic attacks and I've heard fake panic attacks, but this was a whole new level. Holy sheet. Don't people know it's obvious when you try and force hyperventilation?? It's way over the top and obviously for 'recording' purposes. Yes I was taking advantage of the normal human psyche about intimidation of the mere presence of a weapon. I left the room and walked down the hall to put extreme distance between us. Please note that at no time was the weapon removed from the holster or ever pointed toward anyone's direction. Just carried next to my leg for 'visual' factors.

Now they are talking about calling the police and I said please do as I will be calling them also and hung up my phone. They start blowing up my phone. I answer once and I said, you can't call the police if you keep calling me. I was trying to call 311 but couldn't get to it fast enough before the next call came in. I mean damn, they must have had a bunch of people all dialing me at the same time as I saw 5 or 6 different numbers before I could get a call out (dual sim phone and switched to my main phone number sim and turned off the burner sim so I could call).

While all this was happening, she said here is your money, asked me to put the gun away (which I promptly did) and she handed me the money and walked toward and out the door without any interaction from me other than holding my hand out for her to place the money in it.

NOW, mind you it was all very oddly calm all of a sudden, no 'forced' hyperventilation or crying or any over the top 'acting'.

While she was walking out, I actually got dispatch (311) on the phone and that I wanted to file an attempted robbery report. Once I gave them my address, they said police were already dispatched and on the way (evidently the agency did call the police). I thanked her for the information and asked if she wanted me to stay on the phone while I waited for them to arrive. She said no, make sure my weapon was put away (asked me where it was going to be probably to relay to the arriving officers) and prepare for the officers to arrive.

Now the rest doesn't need to be so detailed. Officers arrive, ask me where my weapon is, if I had one on me, etc. And of course asked me what's going on. Boy did they get an earful. Told them about the video, invited them in, watched the video (even heard a chuckle under one of their breaths). They asked for a printout of the license plate, full face shot of Charlie / Jasmine, all the agency numbers that I had received. Waited for me to fill out the report and left as quickly as they arrived.

After thoughts.

I don't play the 'extra money' thing and refuse to let the money go without at least trying to get it back (within reason). The reality of the situation is she could have walked out without me doing anything and I would have just had to let the money go and file a robbery report.

I was actually prepared for the worse (guy / handler / pimp) showing up and straight up robbing me, wanted the best (just a fun time), and got dealt what I got. (FYI, Only one weapon was holstered and unchambered).

No need to point out the fact of my 'house' thing, I know it was a bad move, but I actually have a physical issue right now and on crutches and didn't want to leave the house. I can hobble around my house, but not going to press my luck until things heal walking around in the world. But still need services. I didn't worry about it too much as even in my condition, I feel like I can take care of myself. With my military experience, the 14 years in the international outlaw motorcycle club I was in (yes, a 1% and the fact I live my live with the attitude that if something will happen, there is nothing you can do about it. After all, I was in two wars, traveled around the world both pleasure, professional business and business (for reasons I don't need to explain but associated with the MC world). I've been shot before, cut, stubbed, shrapnel wounds. I've been around, probably been in a bar fight in every port I every visited in the military. I've been caned in Singapore, spent time in holding cells in far to many places to recount them all. If something will happen, it'll happen. Life is two short to live in fear and you need to live life and take the bull by the horns and make of it want you want. Not let life make you want it wants.

Besides, I've got a two providers that I see at my house already (met at incall, AMP, etc. A few times) from time to time. There are some that would ask would I try a new one then. Well, if you don't know, you may not understand anyways. Beside, both were 'unavailable' that evening and I didn't want to wait. Though I had one come over the next evening.

Also, noone does a proper b2 b / slide / soapy / nuru style / type massage the way they do at Poseidon's in Thailand. I have to have them come to my place to do it now as I got tired of lugging around my own nuru sheet and oils. The oil I use is perfectly acceptable for vaginal penetration no need to stop and shower before full penetration.

Though, (I may be asking to get slammed here, but just do it constructively and not negatively if you must) I am curious from others that may or may not have been in this similar type of situation or maybe even already thought of a similar type of situation.

Did I go to far?

(In my mind, and the officers validated my thoughts) I kept my cool (as much as I can for myself) and did what I had to do with the minimum force necessary to bring the situation under control and without physical harm and had my money returned. It could have gone a whole different level, so I'm actually grateful it ended up the way it did.

My advice, avoid this agency or any other number you guys can find that is associated with her postings (if there are any other numbers). Unless you are alright with this bait and switch fees thing, then by all means have at it. She is hot, and I'm sure will make some of you happy.

We make mistakes, and like my rule about never taking any more money then your willing to spend, never do an outcall (to your home) until you have vetted the provider first in their incall or place of business. Though most people don't do it at their home since they are not single or other factors. I'm who I am and I'll continue to stay a lbfm seeking guy until I can find that magic lbfm that locks me down to only them.

Also as an afterthought while writing this, I'm sure my burner number is on those UglyMugs types apps / sites (if they use one). I mean we have review sites about providers and I know providers have their sites they use to report on clients. How do you find out what's been reported about us, I'm actually curious what may have been reported if at all about me now? I found a few sites and apps, but does anyone know of that is most common for Vegas agencies to use? Most of the ones I found are around Europe regions.

I'm adding her pics from one of her ads, and also the other girl they were going to send over for your reference, along with some texts before I blocked the number as I didn't need to hear them whining about it.[/QUOTE]You sir are my hero. You are absolutely right. Sometimes it's simply about the principle.