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[blue]That's because there is only one place in the US where it's legal and there's a 50/50 split with the house so that doubles the price.

In Germany getting a blow job in an FKK is about 50 euros. FS is around 100.

Here in Argentina it's completely legal and competition is fucking fierce, there are 30,000 sex workers in Buenos Aires, that, less than the cost of living keeps the price down and quality up.

It's literally the oldest job in the world, time for the US to admit it's been going on forever and make it legal. Legalization also cuts down on both trafficking and rape. I know it's fashionable to say that rape isn't a crime of passion but that's not what the data from the Rhode Island mistake says.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/17/when-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-rape-and-stis-decreased-sharply/[/url]

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I think that article about Rhode Island confuses legalization with decriminalization. Rhode Island decriminalized prostitution for a while and yes it turned out to be a very good thing. I prefer decriminalization because quite frankly they haven't found a decent model for legal prostitution that is good for both the provider and the client.

Venezuela and Germany may indeed have very cheap rates but I don't think they are very good examples of countries with legal prostitution that we want the US to aspire to. Venezuela has had some serious economic problems within the last few years which is why so many women are turning to sex work. These women are even going as far as Columbia because they actually get paid better there. Germany is also another bad example because brothels there are full of eastern European women who may or may not be trafficked and STD rates are on the rise from brothels that are "no taboos". Frankly I can't imagine anyone willing to do sex work for 50 bucks a pop all day every day unless they are drug users.

I honestly don't think the US will legalize / decriminalization sex work anytime soon. It may not seem like it from the media but we are still a very conservative country with supposedly very religious politicians. To achieve this you would need to change the attitudes of the general public by quite a bit. After all we are all drug addicted, disease infested, seriously mentally ill or trafficked right or all four right? Then in order to have the pussy heaven at Super low rates you would need to make sex work look lucrative in a country where there are plenty of other opportunities for jobs. I suppose we can all start by presenting a good image of a sex worker / client to change perceptions but that would involve being open about taking part in this world. Quite frankly I just can't see the US ever being a place where hot co eds without mental issues or serious addictions will do sex work at such a low rate unless we have another great depression and I don't think any of us want that.

[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3268560]I have personally known several girls that, over the years found demons. As the demons grew stronger, the girls' decisions became less and less smart. When in need of a fix, they would offer ridiculously low rates for quick $$, offer 60 minutes for 30 min rates or even BBFS or Greek when they normally don't do that. When they are in need of a fix, they will do anything. At the first sign of this behavior, I am OUT. Keep in mind, a provider offering a low rate or special because they have a legitimate need (needs food, rent due) that is one thing, and I am glad to help. But the ones with demons, you can normally tell by their actions, behavior and / or appearance.

This is coming from a man who has dated a local provider before. Many of you would know her if I mentioned her name, which I am not. So far as raising rates due to higher call volume, I have seen that with a few true top notch providers. Raising rates as the cost of living go up, maybe. Maybe not. This is "Luxury" hobby. As the cost of gas, food, housing go up, that does not really support the cost of this hobby going up. In fact, a higher cost of living expenses could drive "hobby" prices down as men have less expendable cash per month. So far as rates going to higher call volumes, I have seen that. Unfortunately, many (NOT all! But many of the girls that reach that level become arrogant and / or service declines (They start implementing more rules and turning down clients). I know though, it is much harder that many hobbyists think it is. Many of these girls truly work hard and do not have it easy. There are expectations of the hobbyists, and expectations of the provider. Maintaining that balance is incredibly difficult. Hobbyists feel like. I am paying a fair price and I expect "X" amount of service with a great personality! The provider's wish is. I need to make "X" $$ per day but I want to limit the number of clients per day to "X" per day. These two ideologies do not always meet up. When a provider has to see 6 or 7 men per day to make the $$ she needs, but knows that she is worn out after 4 clients, then service and personality decline at the end of the day. The provider can not help it, she has just reached her bodys limit. Some providers can see 6 men or more and still keep going, but not all of them have that ability. That puts the provider in a bad spot. They either take more men per day or they raise their price. In order to raise their price, they have be willing to offer services that warrant the price (And have to have the looks). Again, not all girls are willing to do BBBJ, CIM, BBFS, Greek, MSOG, Higher End Hosting Locations, etc. Those are the things that normally separate a $160 per hour provider from a provider that gets $250-$300 per hour. It is a true struggle. I dated a provider and I know how hard she tried to please everyone so she could make the money she wanted to make. It wasnt easy at all. Just my. 02![/QUOTE]I suppose I should have explained myself better. Generally there is a trend between the cost of living and rates of sex workers. It's why the average rate in places like NYC are higher than somewhere like Dallas. Generally the cost of living goes up as the population of a city rises. Raleigh is pretty popular right now because it's a great place to live and there are many well paying jobs and some say it's becoming the new Long Island. I had a place a few years ago and moved and last I looked the same place was going for over 200 more! This is unfortunate for the people who don't have well paying jobs as gentrification has already taken over many of the poor neighborhoods and is pushing all those who can't afford the rent outside the city. There is no denying though that this area has more people with money than ever before. If the majority of providers are being plagued by the heroin epidemic then I think you can probably expect rates to go up even more with the women who at least have it mostly together. I'm looking at a price ingress myself in the future. I kept my rates reasonable because I like regulars but need to go with the trend or else lose potential clients in the process.

[QUOTE=GetControl;3268998]I truly believe that if a chick is selling sex she's either smoking weed, sniffing Coke, popping pills or doing H or has a drinking problem. A squeaky clean chick isn't selling sex. I don't care what these chicks tell you. That's why I just don't care about a chicks drug habit. If she has sores and Shit and is nodding out then I'm not going to deal with her. The good ones hide their vices well. Icognito may be the anomaly but the vast majority of chicks on BP and Eros have some kind of addiction.[/QUOTE]Have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. Met several who have no chemical vices. My ATF. Definitely no chemical vices. That doesn't say they don't have other problems, though. Some are just led down the wrong path, make bad choices, and voila. They are stuck in the lifestyle because they have nothing else. Ones that have no chemical demons are usually batshit crazy in one form or another. Have to get to know them to truly understand what their issues are.

Mega.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3268401]It happens every time we clean out the trolls. The same thing happened in Hawaii. It usually takes a couple months but then it comes back. Will it happen in Raleigh? I hope so. I've kind of staked my hat on the idea that guys would rather have forums where they don't have to worry about 10 or 15 long time members jumping on their ass every time they post.

I also kind of reject the argument about posts raising rates. It happens on a few girls but the nature of this business is transitory, there is always new talent coming, change is a constant.

At the end if the day it's always up to you guys.

A2.[/QUOTE]As in my case. My post was interpreted wrong by a2 and I got moderation status. That is why I almost never post on review board anymore. If another of my posts is also mistakenly labeled as an attack I would be banned. There is apparently no appeal process either.

So I mostly post here, trying not to get banned, but can always just lurk and contribute nothing if I do end up banned. I don't see how that helps the board. But it is what it is.

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3269257]Venezuela and Germany may indeed have very cheap rates but I don't think they are very good examples of countries with legal prostitution that we want the US to aspire to. Venezuela has had some serious economic problems within the last few years which is why so many women are turning to sex work. These women are even going as far as Columbia because they actually get paid better there. Germany is also another bad example because brothels there are full of eastern European women who may or may not be trafficked and STD rates are on the rise from brothels that are "no taboos". Frankly I can't imagine anyone willing to do sex work for 50 bucks a pop all day every day unless they are drug users.[/QUOTE]Point of information, Venezuela and Argentina are different countries. Venezuela is going through a terrible time and can't be used to compare to anywhere else.

Your evidence that German FKK clubs are "full of eastern European women who may or may not be trafficked?" I hear this from many misinformed people and a lot of law enforcement agencies justifying why prostitution remains illegal, yet nobody, seriously nobody, points to any data. And those girls keep getting in their own cars to drive back and forth to work by themselves. The number of FKK that offer bare service are a tiny percentage of the FKK's and there is a new law going into effect in June to eliminate them as a public health hazard.

My money says that you can't imagine anybody doing sex work for 50 bucks a pop unless they are drug users reflects more on your ignorance of the rest of the world than it does in reality. This is who I'm going to fuck today, really well I might add, for 50 bucks and there are no holes in her arms.

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It's not really your fault, generally speaking most Americans are misinformed and american woman in specific have been told since birth that the value of their pussies is super high.

This whole decriminalization as opposed to legalization thing mystifies me. Why would you want your work to remain Illegal? Decriminalization means it is still illegal only that the penalties are less. I myself can see no reason why the state needs to be involved in a woman's choice to sell pussy and a mans choice to buy it beyond making sure that all parties are adults.

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3269283]I suppose I should have explained myself better. Generally there is a trend between the cost of living and rates of sex workers. It's why the average rate in places like NYC are higher than somewhere like Dallas. Generally the cost of living goes up as the population of a city rises. Raleigh is pretty popular right now because it's a great place to live and there are many well paying jobs and some say it's becoming the new Long Island. I had a place a few years ago and moved and last I looked the same place was going for over 200 more! This is unfortunate for the people who don't have well paying jobs as gentrification has already taken over many of the poor neighborhoods and is pushing all those who can't afford the rent outside the city. There is no denying though that this area has more people with money than ever before. If the majority of providers are being plagued by the heroin epidemic then I think you can probably expect rates to go up even more with the women who at least have it mostly together. I'm looking at a price ingress myself in the future. I kept my rates reasonable because I like regulars but need to go with the trend or else lose potential clients in the process.[/QUOTE]Has anyone even considered that being a monger might be because you have a sex addiction or your an adrelin junky? Honestly everyone has a vice and it may be crazy to some guys but some women really like sex and why not hobby in something that's profitable? At the same time no one on this earth is perfect. "Thou that be without son may cast the first stone" that a a very spefic way of saying stay in your own lane. If a gent wants to see a female that is drugged out, hasn't washed, and is obviously in need of some serious help, let that man have his day of taking advantage of her limp state. On the other hand if a gent would rather see a lady that cares herself well and with some form of class then let him have his day basking in his fantasy.

Many on this board have indicated they have some sort of issue. If you didn't you wouldn't be on a troll board.

Regardless of the male or female we were born to be what we are. Now quality comes with quantity and you get what you pay for. So again it depends on the person and what they want.

Me personally I want a sensual person who knows what quality service looks like and strives to give as well as recieve. A dope head doesn't look like that.

MZ.

[blue]Seriously? Troll board??

Thread maybe but board?

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Admin2;3269539]Point of information, Venezuela and Argentina are different countries. Venezuela is going through a terrible time and can't be used to compare to anywhere else.

Your evidence that German FKK clubs are "full of eastern European women who may or may not be trafficked?" I hear this from many misinformed people and a lot of law enforcement agencies justifying why prostitution remains illegal, yet nobody, seriously nobody, points to any data. And those girls keep getting in their own cars to drive back and forth to work by themselves. The number of FKK that offer bare service are a tiny percentage of the FKK's and there is a new law going into effect in June to eliminate them as a public health hazard.

My money says that you can't imagine anybody doing sex work for 50 bucks a pop unless they are drug users reflects more on your ignorance of the rest of the world than it does in reality. This is who I'm going to fuck today, really well I might add, for 50 bucks and there are no holes in her arms.

[URL]http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/Delfina_15-6657-6706_14996.htm[/URL]

It's not really your fault, generally speaking most Americans are misinformed and american woman in specific have been told since birth that the value of their pussies is super high.

This whole decriminalization as opposed to legalization thing mystifies me. Why would you want your work to remain Illegal? Decriminalization means it is still illegal only that the penalties are less. I myself can see no reason why the state needs to be involved in a woman's choice to sell pussy and a mans choice to buy it beyond making sure that all parties are adults.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected as far as Argentina and decriminalization. It was a late night and I confused one South American country with another. Upon further reading I found that decriminalization is what you described. I think there's some confusion in my world about decriminalization and I usually look further into it but I didn't. My mistake. As far as Germany? From what I've read many of the sex workers are from Eastern Europe. Whether they are being trafficked or just escaping from a poor country we will never know the true numbers I suspect.

I still stand by my statement that sex work will never look like it does in Argentina or Germany. No one is going to want to deal with the stigma of being a sex worker and the risks that come with it unless they are paid a good amount. Strippers are still looked down upon and all they do is dance mostly naked. It's not that we've been told from birth that our pussy is gold. More like we've been told from birth that if we give it up too much we are practically worthless in the eyes of men. You want to fight that then fight the double standard when it comes to women.

Dude has a hair trigger and does not always think about his moderation.

S.

[QUOTE=Crtchadialhntr;3269524]As in my case. My post was interpreted wrong by a2 and I got moderation status. That is why I almost never post on review board anymore. If another of my posts is also mistakenly labeled as an attack I would be banned. There is apparently no appeal process either.

So I mostly post here, trying not to get banned, but can always just lurk and contribute nothing if I do end up banned. I don't see how that helps the board. But it is what it is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3269964]I still stand by my statement that sex work will never look like it does in Argentina or Germany. No one is going to want to deal with the stigma of being a sex worker and the risks that come with it unless they are paid a good amount. Strippers are still looked down upon and all they do is dance mostly naked. It's not that we've been told from birth that our pussy is gold. More like we've been told from birth that if we give it up too much we are practically worthless in the eyes of men. You want to fight that then fight the double standard when it comes to women.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% one of the stupidest things I know about is the stigma we put on sexually voracious women. In Spanish the word is puta and I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few people alive who use it as a complement.

As far as I'm concerned, the girl next door can fucking stay next door. I make it a point to repeat this as often as possible.

I also believe that American women are socialized with an additional bizarre concept in this same area. They are expected to get some value for sex yet getting money is bad.

Agreed, it's fucked up, and I'm sticking to my guns that 100's of dollars an hour for sex is crazy, not bad if you can get it mind you, just seems nuts to me to pay it.

A2.

[QUOTE=TheSting24;3270119]Dude has a hair trigger and does not always think about his moderation.

S.[/QUOTE]He is such a fucking fanatic that he will not allow any criticism about him on the forum.

Fucking nazi cocksucking faggot.

[QUOTE=GetControl;3267995]I've never felt good about this practice. It just doesn't feel right to post about a girl getting arrested. So what she's on drugs or got nabbed for not showing up for a court date. The mugshots always show a girl at her lowest. Like kicking a person when they're down. Everyone on here should know how to check the mugshot page on their own and make a decision if they should see a girl or not. Personally, if a chick gets arrested for anything other than a violent crime, it shouldn't be a topic of discussion. I wouldn't be happy if people were posting my initials on a sex board if I got arrested for a BS crime. Now, if a chick ripped you off, then yes, post about it but if she gets arrested for minor crime like drugs or not showing up for court, that's her business. That's just me. You guys do what you want but I think its borderline a violation of the rules of the game that we are playing. We as in us and them.[/QUOTE]I am with you on not kicking someone when they're down, but here's the thing; one of the functions of the information exchange on this board is so mongers can protect themselves. If I girl has a drug arrest and looks terrible, but the 9 month old pics in her ads look great, this is valuable information that can save you from a bad experience, or worse.

[blue]Then there is the rule, no posts about arrests for non violent offences.

It's the rules

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=GetControl;3267970]For me, the Muneka murder put things into perspective. I took it as a sign to slow down. I got away with so much last year. I had a lot of fun but the more you put yourself out there, the more you increase your chances of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. The reviews are still there but the volume of reviews is down and there is nothing wrong with that. More important things to do in life than spend money on sex. Nothing wrong with it but doing in moderation is prudent. All of the regulars have been reviewed, we know who's safe and worth the money. The boards work. It's made us smarter. I don't think there should be pressure put on guys to out and take a risk. If you do and get lucky, then post a review, if not, that's fine too. The reviews are still being posted which is good. The decrease in number of reviews only means that the guys are trying to be safe and not spend every dime they have on an escort.[/QUOTE]You just made the post I could have made (and did mention more briefly in December).

[QUOTE=MistressZodiac;3269823]Has anyone even considered that being a monger might be because you have a sex addiction or your an adrelin junky? Honestly everyone has a vice and it may be crazy to some guys but some women really like sex and why not hobby in something that's profitable? At the same time no one on this earth is perfect. "Thou that be without son may cast the first stone" that a a very spefic way of saying stay in your own lane. If a gent wants to see a female that is drugged out, hasn't washed, and is obviously in need of some serious help, let that man have his day of taking advantage of her limp state. On the other hand if a gent would rather see a lady that cares herself well and with some form of class then let him have his day basking in his fantasy.

Many on this board have indicated they have some sort of issue. If you didn't you wouldn't be on a troll board.

Regardless of the male or female we were born to be what we are. Now quality comes with quantity and you get what you pay for. So again it depends on the person and what they want.

Me personally I want a sensual person who knows what quality service looks like and strives to give as well as recieve. A dope head doesn't look like that.

MZ.

[blue]Seriously? Troll board??

Thread maybe but board?

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]No disrespect intended Oz LOL some people just take a forum too seriously. It's just a page on a screen LOL.

MZ.

[blue]No worries sugar, part of my point is you post here and you're not a troll.

I'd buy you a coffee if you were in BsAs to have a bit of a convo.

A2[/blue]

Looks like we have another round of discussion on this topic going. Without rehashing all my past diatribes, I think that the situation in our country is sad and leads to some awful consequences including trafficking, disease transmission, and violent crime. Sex is in many ways like any other service, and if properly controlled its sale could be done in such way that much less damage is committed on our society than what happens now. Sadly I doubt it will happen in my lifetime. So I continue to search for nice ladies with pleasant personalities who care about the quality of the experience they are providing. They are out there, but one has to sift through a lot of undesirables in the search. As far as other countries, my experience in the past was that in some countries not already mentioned here (including Canada, UK, and Australia) I have found great experiences and did not have to worry about pimps, drugs, etc. Since the business was quite open and quality easy to find.

[QUOTE=MistressZodiac;3270293]No disrespect intended Oz LOL some people just take a forum too seriously. It's just a page on a screen LOL.

MZ.

[blue]No worries sugar, part of my point is you post here and you're not a troll.

I'd buy you a coffee if you were in BsAs to have a bit of a convo.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I will gladly have coffee with you as long as I don't feel like I'm in Principles office LOL I'm into being the one doing the spanking but I do love a good toung lashing LOL! Haha.

MZ.

[blue]I excel in tongue lashing. Most likely you would find yourself wanting to sub for me.

A2[/blue]