"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Good point.

[QUOTE=BStreet;4384375]I do that too, but if you unblock, you can't re-block for 48 hours, so there is a chance of you popping up in their people they may know during that 48 hours

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[QUOTE=Passport4;4379539]I've followed her too on SA but noticed that her location changes from Chesapeake to.

Chester and other areas between Tidewater and RVA.

So she's probably not a SB. If anyone knows more, let us know.[/QUOTE]She's a traveling pro. Usually does in call.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4383267]Wander over to the MGTOW forums and do some reading. It's like an AA meeting for married guys.[/QUOTE]I wish we could upvote posts on this board. Red Pill and MGTOW boards have given me a much healthier mindset toward women and relationships. You do have to sort through a lot of spergy and immature crap (lots of young guys crying about why women are being mean or not fucking them) to find the good content but the good material is worth it. Changed my life, and continues to do so.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4383412]But still, I can't figure out why 4 days have now gone by and this woman hasn't even logged on the site. If she's looking for someone more generous than me, why isn't she back on? I'm assuming the SA function that shows when someone last logged on is reliable, and according to that she has not been on SA since our date ended. So, still weird.[/QUOTE]Your mistake is that you're looking for and expecting logic in the mind and actions of a woman. Reminds me of Jack Nicholson's character from "As Good as It Gets":

Receptionist: How do you write women so well?

Melvin: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

Moral of the story: Move on. Meet other girls on SA, there are other fish in the sea. If this one comes back, cool, have sex with her. If not, have sex with someone else.

It may sound like I hate women, but I assure you that's not true. They're frustrating at times, but I love women, and accept them for who they are. You can't blame a scorpion for being a scorpion. It's in it's nature.

Waste of time. Good luck getting her clothes off.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9d0de63-c986-4a9c-a241-0a70b6e7afc0[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4389512]Waste of time. Good luck getting her clothes off.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9d0de63-c986-4a9c-a241-0a70b6e7afc0[/URL][/QUOTE]Your inbox is full BTW.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4389512]Waste of time. Good luck getting her clothes off.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9d0de63-c986-4a9c-a241-0a70b6e7afc0[/URL][/QUOTE]I've seen her twice. Definitely a repeat. Reasonable allowance if she likes you. I guess she's very selective.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4389512]Waste of time. Good luck getting her clothes off.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9d0de63-c986-4a9c-a241-0a70b6e7afc0[/URL][/QUOTE]I always worry about when profile say they are in pair of two and will be happy to mingle. You never know what's the catch or if they will be honest and trustworthy. My rule of thumb- stay away from these profile that talks about 2 SB for one. ! Based on profile, it appears that way.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4389463]I wish we could upvote posts on this board. Red Pill and MGTOW boards have given me a much healthier mindset toward women and relationships. You do have to sort through a lot of spergy and immature crap (lots of young guys crying about why women are being mean or not fucking them) to find the good content but the good material is worth it. Changed my life, and continues to do so.[/QUOTE]Agreed about all of the above. The immaturity can be annoying beyond measure, but there's good stuff to be uncovered there which will help you be grounded and in a leveraged frame of reference.

[QUOTE=GregRichmond;4390058]I always worry about when profile say they are in pair of two and will be happy to mingle. You never know what's the catch or if they will be honest and trustworthy. My rule of thumb- stay away from these profile that talks about 2 SB for one. ! Based on profile, it appears that way.[/QUOTE]I agree about the pair SB profiles.

Never encountered a pair who were legit or serious.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4390804]I agree about the pair SB profiles.

Never encountered a pair who were legit or serious.[/QUOTE]I've seen one legit SB duo in the last 25 years and even that one didn't work out. I had a VCU SB who presented me the chance to bang her and the roommate in an effort to get me to drop more $$. Unfortunately I wasn't into the roommate at all; honestly I would not have fucked her for free so paying extra money for pussy I didn't want was out of the question. After 2 or 3 weeks of my resistance, we went out separate ways.

Funny you guys mention that. Awhile back, I was seeing a girl off SA. After some time, her sister got on there. So of course, I had to ask. And yes, I did get to cross that off my bucket list. Obviously, they didn't interact, but it was still an incredible evening. Pricey, yes. But no regrets. But I second what you guys are saying. I steer clear of duo profiles for the reasons previously stated.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4390804]I agree about the pair SB profiles.

Never encountered a pair who were legit or serious.[/QUOTE]While a lot of those pairings might not be for real, I've found that the way to meet more SBs is through the ones you already have.

This I agree with wholeheartedly.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4391197]While a lot of those pairings might not be for real, I've found that the way to meet more SBs is through the ones you already have.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. I've never seen a legitimate profile on Seeking of Duo. Most younger women today are interested in other women and are very open to 3 somes with a friend, another SB or stripper.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4391197]While a lot of those pairings might not be for real, I've found that the way to meet more SBs is through the ones you already have.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3939986]I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps![/QUOTE]This method no longer works on chrome and firefox on a windows pc.

So what do you guys do fo your summer SB who heads far away for college in the fall? Mine asked me today if was going to still help her by paying her an allowance while she was away. I told her that our arrangement was ppv and couldn't think of anything beneficial for me without her warm body next to mine. She offered Skype, vids, pics or phone sex. I told her I was way too old to be beating my meat while looking at her on a computer screen. That pissed her off and she said we can talk more later.

I just assumed we would get together over fall break and Christmas. I am not paying her an allowance while she is screwing college boys.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4394237]So what do you guys do fo your summer SB who heads far away for college in the fall? Mine asked me today if was going to still help her by paying her an allowance while she was away. I told her that our arrangement was ppv and couldn't think of anything beneficial for me without her warm body next to mine. She offered Skype, vids, pics or phone sex. I told her I was way too old to be beating my meat while looking at her on a computer screen. That pissed her off and she said we can talk more later.

I just assumed we would get together over fall break and Christmas. I am not paying her an allowance while she is screwing college boys.[/QUOTE]I've had this experience. SB wanted me to keep giving her $ over the summer while classes were out and she went to California for three months. I politely declined, and asked her if she had a local friend who might want to be my SB.

Keep in mind that, even though her request is absurd, it makes perfect sense to her. She's young and inexperienced, and doesn't understand that no P = no $.

I would cut her off, but also end it on a polite note.

There is a good chance she will come knocking again if you handle it that way and she comes back to town.

Anyone had any luck with her [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ce82a155-d2fd-434d-87a2-6bdd8273e577[/URL], she has in her profile no time for a text buddy, yet we weren't getting past that, when I push for a meet, would ignore. Obviously I wasn't doing the trick for her, just curious if anyone else has had better success.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4394237]So what do you guys do fo your summer SB who heads far away for college in the fall? Mine asked me today if was going to still help her by paying her an allowance while she was away. I told her that our arrangement was ppv and couldn't think of anything beneficial for me without her warm body next to mine. She offered Skype, vids, pics or phone sex. I told her I was way too old to be beating my meat while looking at her on a computer screen. That pissed her off and she said we can talk more later.

I just assumed we would get together over fall break and Christmas. I am not paying her an allowance while she is screwing college boys.[/QUOTE]We spoke of her before.

[QUOTE=BagIt;4394839]We spoke of her before.[/QUOTE]I just did a major dump of mail. Bagit I will message later today.

I'll be staying in Richmond for a week on business. Curious if anyone has info to share on a slim, college hottie up there. Asian preferred, but any others are fine. Don't have an active SA currently. Can share info on a girl or two from the Virginia Beach / Norfolk area if anyone makes that trip. Just let me know. Here's a pic.

I am getting so tired of clicking traffic lights, fire hydrants, etc. I don't want to end up on a hack list like Ashley Madison clients. It is important SA keeps its opsec, but jeez.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4395369]I am getting so tired of clicking traffic lights, fire hydrants, etc.[/QUOTE]I'm not running into that. But there some things I didn't expect as a newly paid member.

1. Holy cow! I'm getting lots of looks, likes, and messages from faraway girls. Australia, France, Ireland, Africa. I suppose they would try to sell me pictures if I responded (I haven't). If not selling something, I don't know what's in it for them to contact guys they'll never meet.

2. I live in a small town about an hour from Richmond. Quite a few listings from here, but most haven't logged in recently. If I widen the search to 10 or 25 miles it turns up an unbelievable large number from Virginia, Virginia. I don't know how SA determined distance if they don't list their town.

3. Contacted 2 women and met with 1. Turns out they are sisters who live together. They don't mind if I see them both, but not together.

4. Mostly college girls. Don't hate on me, but I actually prefer women in their 30's and 40's, and there aren't so many of them near me.

I'll see who I can contact before my paid membership expires.

[QUOTE=HabsBurg;4396253]I'm not running into that. But there some things I didn't expect as a newly paid member.

1. Holy cow! I'm getting lots of looks, likes, and messages from faraway girls. Australia, France, Ireland, Africa. I suppose they would try to sell me pictures if I responded (I haven't). If not selling something, I don't know what's in it for them to contact guys they'll never meet.

2. I live in a small town about an hour from Richmond. Quite a few listings from here, but most haven't logged in recently. If I widen the search to 10 or 25 miles it turns up an unbelievable large number from Virginia, Virginia. I don't know how SA determined distance if they don't list their town.

3. Contacted 2 women and met with 1. Turns out they are sisters who live together. They don't mind if I see them both, but not together.

4. Mostly college girls. Don't hate on me, but I actually prefer women in their 30's and 40's, and there aren't so many of them near me.

I'll see who I can contact before my paid membership expires. [/QUOTE]1. Yes, they want to sell you pics. Or get you to send money for nothing.

2. Some SBs lie about their location to avoid friends or family from finding them on the site. "Virginia, Virginia" is one of many location oddities you'll find on the site. The site's address database is a mess. For a while, there was a SB who had "WalMart, NC" as her location.

3. You'll find that many SBs know each other and network with each other. If you tell one SB something, assume you're telling it to all SBs.

4. I agree about the 30-40 SBs. When a new one of that age comes to the site, you have to move fast to lock it down. They tend to be more crazy than the students, but also more fun.

[QUOTE=HabsBurg;4396253]I'm not running into that. But there some things I didn't expect as a newly paid member.

1. Holy cow! I'm getting lots of looks, likes, and messages from faraway girls. Australia, France, Ireland, Africa. I suppose they would try to sell me pictures if I responded (I haven't). If not selling something, I don't know what's in it for them to contact guys they'll never meet.[/QUOTE]Sorry to repeat stuff I have posted before, but IDK why you guys don't hide your profile from search. All of those comeons go away. I never get them. I do that b / c I have a SO, among other reasons. If I go to a girls page, she can see I have been there and reply, but otherwise she doesn't know I exist. How many of you have been contacted by a SB initially and had it turn into an arrangement? If you have a profile that does that for you, more power to you. If not, do it my way and save yourself some grief.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4396885]Sorry to repeat stuff I have posted before, but IDK why you guys don't hide your profile from search. All of those comeons go away. I never get them. I do that b / c I have a SO, among other reasons. If I go to a girls page, she can see I have been there and reply, but otherwise she doesn't know I exist. How many of you have been contacted by a SB initially and had it turn into an arrangement? If you have a profile that does that for you, more power to you. If not, do it my way and save yourself some grief.[/QUOTE]FWIW, several of my arrangements have started with them contacting me first.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;4397450]FWIW, several of my arrangements have started with them contacting me first.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. This has NEVER happened to me. Of course, my profile page doesn't have any photos. I assume you have photos of someone good looking on your profile. Is it you?

I had that happen. My all time favorite emailed me first and we went from there. So yes, it does happen.

I agree. I always hide my profile from search. I have a specific type I look for and many of the women that would even contact me just aren't my type. I've had a profile for a while, so the scammers would avoid me anyway just because of how old my profile is. They target newbies. It's not that hard just do a quick search and favorite every profile I'm interested within a 50 to 100 mile radius. I then work my way back through my favorites to send them messages. Often I will get messaged by someone I had favorited before I had the chance to message them. I've never seen it as a limiting factor.

When I have had my profile not hidden from search, I get messages from some of the ugliest women on the planet or women outside the US. No thanks.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4396885]Sorry to repeat stuff I have posted before, but IDK why you guys don't hide your profile from search. All of those comeons go away. I never get them. I do that b / c I have a SO, among other reasons. If I go to a girls page, she can see I have been there and reply, but otherwise she doesn't know I exist. How many of you have been contacted by a SB initially and had it turn into an arrangement? If you have a profile that does that for you, more power to you. If not, do it my way and save yourself some grief.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4397956]I agree. I always hide my profile from search. I have a specific type I look for and many of the women that would even contact me just aren't my type. I've had a profile for a while, so the scammers would avoid me anyway just because of how old my profile is. They target newbies. It's not that hard just do a quick search and favorite every profile I'm interested within a 50 to 100 mile radius. I then work my way back through my favorites to send them messages. Often I will get messaged by someone I had favorited before I had the chance to message them. I've never seen it as a limiting factor.

When I have had my profile not hidden from search, I get messages from some of the ugliest women on the planet or women outside the US. No thanks.[/QUOTE]I agree 99% of the SBs who contact you first are scammers, however I did have one message me first who has turned out to be an awesome playmate this summer, 22-year old educated black girl with a tall, thin frame and beautiful tits. Been boning her bareback for the last couple of months.

[QUOTE=Unassuming2018;4395144]I'll be staying in Richmond for a week on business. Curious if anyone has info to share on a slim, college hottie up there. Asian preferred, but any others are fine. Don't have an active SA currently. Can share info on a girl or two from the Virginia Beach / Norfolk area if anyone makes that trip. Just let me know. Here's a pic.[/QUOTE]Thank you Unassuming2018 for the intro. She has a body & face to die for! Perfect face, boobs (36 C naturals) & a perfect ass, that you can bounce a quarter off of!

Totally unrushed session in which she wants all you can give & more. She reminds me of the good girl in HS or college that was saving herself then hooked up one night & then realized what she was missing & became insatiable. Reminds me of Kim Basinger in 9 1/2 weeks.

Please note, she's only looking for one or two more regulars. If $400 is out of your price range she's not for you. Save the snarky comments, we all have our budgets & standards. Doesn't mean anyone is wrong.

She spent 4 hours with me & hated to leave, but she had work. Now is the time to see her, she just finished her summer session & has a break for a week or two from college classes. She was no demons at all. If you see girls using needles, street walkers, she's not for you.

Please don't PM me, UA is the gatekeeper & works hard to keep this teen treasure safe, as it should be! If your a SM that contributes, doesn't see street walkers & drug addicts, & can travel to Tidewater, you won't regret it!

Not being a SA member I appreciate having been able to see her through a SM.

Definitely my new #1.

DF Out.

P.S. He's posted a lot about her on the Tidewater USASG under SB's & escorts.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/67431159-2b10-4db5-ac1d-37455a75f0dc[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/model/serra_angel[/URL]

Courtesy of Unassuming2018 off the Tidewater SB thread.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4397494]That's interesting. This has NEVER happened to me. Of course, my profile page doesn't have any photos. I assume you have photos of someone good looking on your profile. Is it you?[/QUOTE]I have one photo, a mediocre legit selfie, from 3-4 years ago when I created the account.

I also have a few paragraphs of a profile that actually capture some of my personality and interests. Not overly long, but enough to give an idea of who I am and what I'm like.

I've had quite a few girls message me referencing something from my profile: a couple of my interests, my preference for casual cuisine, or the style of arrangement I'm looking for. (In fact, the most recent case was a question about a poster on the wall behind me in the selfie.).

Honestly, all I've done was actually try to indicate I'm a real person with my own life.

This one talks a good game but once you start planning to meet wants half upfront, the usual. I've been scam before so I need to make sure you are real crap.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/92d31d1d-4f10-448e-958c-11159174c085[/URL]

Someone asked about an asian girl? No longer seeing her, not a fan of high volume SB. Nice girl and all about business, dtf first date, more of a UTR escort. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3e76aa9f-9cb5-4534-a797-d4f597d12c95[/URL].

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4400140]Someone asked about an asian girl? No longer seeing her, not a fan of high volume SB. Nice girl and all about business, dtf first date, more of a UTR escort. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3e76aa9f-9cb5-4534-a797-d4f597d12c95[/URL].[/QUOTE]What's her rate?

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4400132]This one talks a good game but once you start planning to meet wants half upfront, the usual. I've been scam before so I need to make sure you are real crap.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/92d31d1d-4f10-448e-958c-11159174c085[/URL][/QUOTE]We all must stop these type of behavior. These type of SBs say that there are SDs who pay for meet and greet or pay upfront half. Ahh. Who are they and why are they getting into these traps?

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4398607][URL]https://www.pornhub.com/model/serra_angel[/URL]

Courtesy of Unassuming2018 off the Tidewater SB thread.[/QUOTE]Well, there is a difference here SB vs UTR escort. Is she treating this as sugar dating and not watching clock?

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4400132]This one talks a good game but once you start planning to meet wants half upfront, the usual. I've been scam before so I need to make sure you are real crap.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/92d31d1d-4f10-448e-958c-11159174c085[/URL][/QUOTE]Is there another place that's keeps track of all the scams on SA? All I seem to find are girls either selling pics and vids or girls wanting half the money via PayPal or cash app up front. It's pretty frustrating spends so much times only to realize they are scams. One of the "girls" mentioned here a few days go got me out of $100 via Venmo. Unfortunately for "her" she had all her other transactions private and I was able to use FB to track down the other people "she's" sent / received money from for legitimate things. Come to find out it's actually a guy from Missouri. I called him out with his real name and info and he quickly made his fb private and unsearchable.

It's just frustrating, my type is the young girl next door type and they all seem to be scams.