Did he lose the war already.
[QUOTE=Hargow20;2781970]SayING you were simply giving a SW a ride is a legit defense and there is case law that sows. The best thing to do if you are busted for intent to soliciting prostitution is to hire a aggressive attorney and ask for jury trial. There is a good chance that the prosecutor will drop the case especially if this is your first offense.
Are.[/QUOTE]Agreed with all due respect Mr Hargow to a degree. LEO doesn't care if the person wins or loses the case. He's trying to make life miserable for the accused. And he will succeed at no expense to himself. My position is if he needs to hire a $750.00 an hour attorney, innocent or guilty, didn't he already lose the war? Win lose or draw thinking logically the person would lose a days pay or burn personal time. Then he will spend a bare minimum $750.00 on the attorney. If he can find a top notch criminal lawyer for that price. No matter how it's sliced I view that as a loss before he even gets to see the judge. If I'm wrong with this advice please correct me. Cause, me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
Car shopping? Sure Why not?
[QUOTE=StormRanger;2785554]I don't live in the area anymore, but this was my strategy when I'd cruise the ave. I carried a notepad and pen, then as I drove around I'd stop in front of used car dealers and write down several vehicles that were for sale at each. Details like date at the top of the page, name of dealer, each vehicle's year, model, color and price. Only took a few minutes, but if I were to get pulled over I had reasonable business in the area and proof that I was just car shopping. Hard to prosecute me for that unless I was actually caught in the act.[/QUOTE]Agreed StormRanger, it would be difficult to prosecute anyone for car shopping. Just as it would be for window shopping or checking out the barber shop or nail salon. Any seasoned Monger would agree they would have been in less trouble had they just kept their mouth shut.
As an American citizen you have the right to be anywhere you chose and need not give an explanation to anybody as to why you are there as long as you are not observed committing an illegal act.
A law enforcement officer cannot legally stop and question you simply because you are on Kensington Ave. Out of all the people there why would he chose you over others? Maybe he doesn't like your skin color or nationality. It's a wrong and sloppy way of law enforcement.
You only need to produce your credentials to prove who you are. You do not need to explain to anybody what you are doing there. Hell, you could be studying the local history and progression of building architecture. You could be writing a book on prostitution and the hours they keep. That's a legal defense. It's none of their damn business. A law enforcement officer will never admit it to your face but his hands are tied when it comes to asking why you are here or there.
Case in point, He would never stop a person for driving around City Hall eight times. Or up and down the Boulevard twelve times. Because he knows there are no legal grounds to do so. Unless there's a traffic violation or vehicle infraction he cannot legally stop and question a motorist simply because he thinks you may be doing an illegal activity. He needs to catch you in the act.
It is when motorists answer the dumb questions he's asked with totally dumb answers that he gets himself into trouble. There's an old expression Loose lips sink ships. Many a man has gone to court and even jail because he answered questions that he wasn't required by law to answer.
Unless a monger is detained and placed under arrest he needs not answer any questions from a law enforcement officer without legal council. Uncle LEO knows this but they still work under the premise that you do not.
Again, you are required to produce the vehicle and personal credentials. To be courteous and remain calm. Allow the officer to do his job. Then be on your way.
One time I was stopped with two women in my vehicle at Cambria and Kensington. One girl was a working girl the other was not. It was 2:30 am and we was going to take photos for an ad they both wanted to place. LEO surrounded the vehicle after the working girl had crossed the street to the Chinese store.
I was verbally accused of being in a known prostitution area and being with known prostitutes. I told them the girl in my vehicle was not a prostitute and the other girl as far as I knew was a home cleaning woman. I was looking for subjects to photograph.
The cop saw my very expensive cameras as I had placed them on the dash. Asked me what I might be photographing at 2:30 am. I told him night shots that I am unable to get during the day.
He asked if I photograph the girls naked. I replied I do. Then he reached for one of my cameras as I calmly but firmly moved it out of his reach. I explained they are highly technical and I did not wish them to be damaged and I doubted his ability to operate them properly.
He made a statement saying, sure would like to see those photos. I just said if he got a court order I would be more than happy to share them with him. As they are very private photos I would not be at liberty legally to show them to anyone without consent from the subject or the court order.
He knew he was wrong and didn't pursue it any further. Then he got into the legality of photographing prostitutes.
I assured him there are no laws that prohibit the photographing of women clothed or unclothed that are of legal age.
He knew that going in the door. He wanted to know if I knew that. Once he found out he sent me on my way and went looking for an easier mark.
When being assertive try and not to upset the officer but at the same time don't be a pussy and take whatever he sticks up your ass either. Let him know you will cooperate with him but will not be coerced or intimidated. After all most are just doing a job.
Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
A little post snow hunting
Met up with a WSW named Christina on Jasper by Sergeant. We eye each other, I pull down the block, she casually strolls over and she hops in. After making some light convo for a few blocks, we discuss business. Poetry reading for standard talking fee. Best damn session. So good I could hear bongos. She's around the K and A area, but she seems to be out south of there in the usual spots. Decent amount of uncle LEO out, but they seemed more concerned with street pharmacists rather than consumers. Be safe, play safe and good luck hunting. Oh, and I'll double down on what the old gator has to say. Each time I come back from a session, I review the rules and the video. You never know and as it's been said here many times by many others far more experienced then me, it's better to get your education here in the boards than on the streets.
Miranda- Philly roads are ridiculous
Hello gents,
I made the effort to stop through your fine city in late December when I was driving back from NY after seeing all of the positive reviews. NYC is a sad disappointment for the SW scene so I took a few hours out of my drive home to see what Philly had to offer.
First of all, the roads in this fine city are absolutely RIDICULOUS! The age old concept of looping around or circling back around does not exist here. You will either lose your prey before you make back it around. Or get lost in never ending one way streets that DO NOT alternate!
So I finally got parked and started walking on the "Ave" to see what there was. I tried Torresdale first and Frankford, but I found K ave to be the most lively.
I managed to talk to one girl name Miranda (whom I could not find a report on) but she seemed to be in the middle of scoring some dope. She was about 5'4 slim nice ass shot hair / blonde cute face. She said she couldn't come with me right then but gave me her name and number and to be back in twenty min. I knew I should have tried to land her right there but I needed to grab dinner and I had her number so I thought I would have been alright.
Needless to say I never saw her again and I needed to continue on my drive down south.
I will be driving through again in late March and have a room booked downtown for my return trip. I don't know why but I got the vibe that I could nail anyone that I saw walking on the street here. It was like heaven.
I would appreciate if someone can confirm my suspicion and give me some pointers to pick up the hotties I saw here, even if they are civilians.
I have Miranda's number if anyone would like to try her out. 267-xxx-x514.
Mondays LEO Sting. Sargent & K
Did anyone else witness the undercover BSW on Sargent at K this past Monday late morning? I followed my big head, avoided arrest (very narrowly) and seen another monger get busted right in front of me.
Details:
Two BSW standing on each side of Sargent. One BSW near school parking lot had a black / blonde fake weave, looked to be about 30 and much too pretty for K. The other possible BSW had short hair, normal looking, pudgy. I spot the fine one, circle around the block a few times to check her out. That was first alert to something wrong, even beat looking girls are normally gone before the first loop, but I have a dick and decide to check it out anyway.
I park on Sargent, a quarter of the way down and here she comes. I scan the area as she is walking and see the pudgy BSW and a stocky BM walking slowly on opposite of street, obviously watching. The BSW comes up and asked me to roll down window, I roll about half way and say "Hi". She asks "What are you looking to do? Uh-oh, she looks too good and asks what I want before pulling on door handle? Something is not right. I look for the BSW / BM and they're still watching so I say, "Do I know you from somewhere? She responds, "Maybe, I'm out here often". Well, that makes two of us and I've never seen her before. So I small talk her for a few moments and then pull off.
Cruising the ave with nothing worthwhile insight, my small head starts to take over and I swing by Sargent again. She's still there, so are the other two I noticed earlier. Like a idoit, I park, she walks down again. I start off again with "I know you from somewhere. ". We're about same age, so I play up ol' times and call her a gratz * (my old high school in the city). Then she says, "Maybe you know me from backpage? Right at that moment I spot the BM I saw previously, only now he was talking to the inner part of his jacket. My brain took a moment to process what I had seen, then my inside voice said "PL, use the big head and get the fuck out of here! At that moment, I knew what was up and was trying to very carefully exit the situation. As I was about to pull out of the parking spot, another car stop right next to me. I thought I slipped up and was getting busted. I knew I had made no offers and never even alluded to paying for or mentioned sex in anyway, but the heart started to beat rapidly, we all know LEO is the gospel to a judge.
The BSW I was talking to, left me, walked into the street and leaned in his passenger window. They spoke a few words and she directed him to park diagonal from my spot and she whirls her hand around above her * head and out of nowhere, and I mean suddenly, the mongers car is blocked in by two sedans. The car in front has two female uniformed cops and car behind has undercover BM, not the one from the corner, but that one is now walking towards the scene. They remove the monger from the car, one of the uniformed female cops jumps into it and poof! The car is whisked away, leaving only the undercover, monger, "BSW" and me. She looks at me and I gave her the "Thats right * I aint no sucker" look. LEO placed the monger in the car, drove away and I took off.
I then hightailed back to PL's abode safe and sound, ordered incall with a HSW I'm know is not LEO. Be careful. Myself, I'm taking time off from K for a while, that was too close for comfort.
