Korean Bar Reports

[QUOTE=H Mobius; 1162189]I don't know if this is the same Ann mama who retired years ago and who lived in a huge house near Kapahulu and rented-out rooms to her girls, but I remember her as being regarded by the top-of-the-line girls in the 90's as the nicest mama. She was an "in-demand" mama because she treated her girls so well, and as a result they followed her when she moved and were loyal to her. I thought she was the nicest as well.

If this is the same mama (so pretty, pleasant, and relaxed, usually with glasses) , what are your thoughts as to why it won't work were she to take over Maya's again?

Thanks,

H M[/QUOTE]Yes that is Ann mama, who I think owns the lease, I may be wrong but I know she couldn't own a bar for a while as the word was several years ago. I think she is Patty mama sister. She is a good lady and I hope she returns.

[QUOTE=Aflack;1161876]Keyword for the bars will be as above. Guys going for the play should find it; just control the spending (I. E, buyers control the price; not vice versa). When attacking a fortress, engage the enemy as little as possible: cut all food and water supplies; starve the enemy until weak; send constant propaganda messages of surrender; promise not to mistreat prisoners; burn the fortress down. The object is to win without incurring casualties on your side (the enemy is thinking the same).[/QUOTE]Cute post. But in a real sense, it's not just you against the BG. It's the BG and the three dozen swinging richards who are happy to buy her water all night. She doesn't NEED your business as much as you WANT her kitty.

Off and on, I see talk here about boycotting certain bars or BGs. Not going to happen. Too many little soldiers happily marching in, waving their Visa and MC cards, begging to surrender. Closest thing to the effect of the boycott is the current down economy. But even with the bar business being as slow as it is, the major effect I have seen is a disparity between the top-flight BGs and the also-rans and skanks.

On the low-end, you can get action from a less than visually desirable BG for a ridiculously low entry fee. (Pun intended.) On the high-end, the hotties seem to be commanding more and giving less than in years past. So your warfighting strategy is valid except for omitting that you will have to pick your fights a little better.

Does anyone have the 411 on a "Sunny" who works (worked?) at Butterfly? Korean, about 5'-6", decent looking, longish straight hair.

[QUOTE=Jake1213;1162251]Yes that is Ann mama, who I think owns the lease, I may be wrong but I know she couldn't own a bar for a while as the word was several years ago. I think she is Patty mama sister. She is a good lady and I hope she returns.[/QUOTE]Ann is Patty's sister, but I thought she sold the lease. Ann got busted for tax evasion quite a few years ago. Not sure if she went to prison, but I think she split her time between Honolulu and Guam.

[QUOTE=Oldee;1162237]Is this the Ann thats Patty's sister and ran T-Time about 4 years ago? Altho pleasant looking, I don't recall her as being 'pretty' and she was into her 60s already? I think Suji or the one that skipped town took over after she retired. As a bar location, it had its ups and downs last few years and even when Ann ran it wasnt all that busy then.[/QUOTE]I agree, I never regarded Ann as "pretty". Ann in the past many years never made it as a mama, don't know about how good she was to the girls because I didn't see any quality girls working for her very long. Her bars were never that busy, she never kept the good customers that are needed to keep a bar open. Maya is probably the only mama I know that made that sheridan st location work, the rest only were there for a short period of time and the bars wasn't that busy and there weren't a lot of quality girls working. Whether the new bar owner makes it work depends on who the mama is, none of the recent mama's (julie, ann, suji, etc.) in the kapiolani area won't make it work for very long.

[QUOTE=John Ross; 1162106]I don't see how the property owner can ask for a % when they already ask for exorbitant lease rates. I think Casino and Butterfly had leases of something like $30k a month. That means a bar has to clear $1k a day just to pay lease rent. Look at the amount of customers those places had and I don't see them clearing that.

The property owners hui also has a loan on the property so they must also make their mortgage payments. The only kind of business that can pay that high rent is bars. With a liquor license sitting stagnant, no one is making money. What else are they going to do, turn the property into retail shops and pray the owner is able to make it in this bad economy? If they do that, I think the liquor license is gone for good as they are closer than 500 feet from each other and the neighborhood board will have a say in any new bar opening up requesting a license. [/QUOTE]Types of business makes a difference in the dues. Meaning I'm sure Flexa's dues are about half less of Butterflys. Clearing $1k a day is easy for a bar, the ones that don't are the ones that come and go. There are a lot of factors that we normally wouldn't see like the whole 14 hours the bar is open, inflation on drinks and food, and profits on vending machines. They all seem like small things, but if you add them all up I think we are in for a suprise.

[QUOTE=John Ross;1162283]Ann is Patty's sister, but I thought she sold the lease. Ann got busted for tax evasion quite a few years ago. Not sure if she went to prison, but I think she split her time between Honolulu and Guam.[/QUOTE]Sentenced to five years plus probation. Actual prison time served unknown; evaded $500K. Believe terms of her release included no ownership and / or involvement in any bar-related concerns. Don't let her demeanor fool you.

[QUOTE=Blade82;1162313]Types of business makes a difference in the dues. Meaning I'm sure Flexa's dues are about half less of Butterflys. Clearing $1k a day is easy for a bar, the ones that don't are the ones that come and go. There are a lot of factors that we normally wouldn't see like the whole 14 hours the bar is open, inflation on drinks and food, and profits on vending machines. They all seem like small things, but if you add them all up I think we are in for a suprise.[/QUOTE]I'm still in awe about clearing that $1k per day. If they sell 10 cases of beer and the profit is say $1. 50 each beer, not considering overhead, they make $360 profit. That means they are still $640 short for that day. Then you have to factor in the cost of electricity and salaries / medical for those that receive that. I've been approached to "partner" in running a bar, but always declined as the numbers never panned out for me.

[QUOTE=Head Lock; 1162275]Cute post. But in a real sense, it's not just you against the BG. It's the BG and the three dozen swinging richards who are happy to buy her water all night. She doesn't NEED your business as much as you WANT her kitty.

Off and on, I see talk here about boycotting certain bars or BGs. Not going to happen. Too many little soldiers happily marching in, waving their Visa and MC cards, begging to surrender. Closest thing to the effect of the boycott is the current down economy. But even with the bar business being as slow as it is, the major effect I have seen is a disparity between the top-flight BGs and the also-rans and skanks.

On the low-end, you can get action from a less than visually desirable BG for a ridiculously low entry fee. (Pun intended.) On the high-end, the hotties seem to be commanding more and giving less than in years past. So your warfighting strategy is valid except for omitting that you will have to pick your fights a little better. [/QUOTE]I agree with you for the most part, but personaly. I never say never or not going to ever happen. Will kb and kbg continue to be like how you see it is? Probably so unfortunately. However, I have learned in life that never going happen often does happen whether thats good or bad. Never thought the Berlin wall would fall or we'd be allies with Russia in my lifetime but happened. So the improbable can even happen sooner than you think. If enough of the loloheads that spoil the bgirls wised up there would be change. I know that is probably not going to happen as you say but stranger things have happened MANY times. Got to hand it to guys like Aflack for trying to effect change and educating the new guys. It starts with one person at a time. You give good advice too HL, hehe. My. 02 cents.

[QUOTE=John Ross;1162331]I'm still in awe about clearing that $1k per day. If they sell 10 cases of beer and the profit is say $1. 50 each beer, not considering overhead, they make $360 profit. That means they are still $640 short for that day. Then you have to factor in the cost of electricity and salaries / medical for those that receive that. I've been approached to "partner" in running a bar, but always declined as the numbers never panned out for me.[/QUOTE]For most bars and niteclubs, the real money makers are shots and mixed drinks. A typical bottle holds about 30 shots, so figure that you're making at least $5 per shot or mixed drink. If you figure 2 bottles of shots / mixed drinks on a slow nite, that's another $300. Figure ATM fees, food, vending machines bring you about $100 profit. In a hostess bar, figure your profit on each ladies drink being about $3.50 per drink. If your girls sell 70 drinks, that's $245. Add them up and you've covered the $1K.

[QUOTE=Thumperforq;1162361]For most bars and niteclubs, the real money makers are shots and mixed drinks. A typical bottle holds about 30 shots, so figure that you're making at least $5 per shot or mixed drink. If you figure 2 bottles of shots / mixed drinks on a slow nite, that's another $300. Figure ATM fees, food, vending machines bring you about $100 profit. In a hostess bar, figure your profit on each ladies drink being about $3.50 per drink. If your girls sell 70 drinks, that's $245. Add them up and you've covered the $1K.[/QUOTE]Stupid me, I didn't pencil in the profit on the ladies drink. I'd say it is probably $.50 cost, so profit is $4. 50 per. 100 drinks is $450. Now I'm kicking myself as I should have gone partners in that bar!

Never go partners with KBGs on anything involving money, legal (s) , any type of obligation (s). They'll cheat you out of money, leave you stranded with a debt, possibly ruining your reputation and / or credit. Even if seemingly legal, they'll skip town to find another host.

[QUOTE=Thumperforq; 1162361. Add them up and you've covered the $1K.[/QUOTE]Pretty good guidance before paying taxes; lucky if 50% of income is reported, especially the nekos and food.

BTW, Maya's Evergreen venue delayed one / two months due to closing (maybe kala) concerns. Enough said.

[QUOTE=Pushindeep;1156578]Last time there I spoke to mama but she didn't mention not posting. So just to be brief, didn't recognize Cho* because she's wearing glasses now. Has trouble with her eye and is planning to go to Korea to fix. Leaving later this month and will be back in 6 weeks. One drink and BBBJ in back booth. Same quality service.[/QUOTE]
Went in the other day and seen Choi but didn't part take yet. She said she cancelled her Korea trip for surgery. I also seen another older hostess long black hair and big fake tits. Any name on that one? ALSO what happened to the infamous Kyong that worked there? Where did she go? M10

[QUOTE=John Ross;1162401]Now I'm kicking myself as I should have gone partners in that bar![/QUOTE]Hehe, would have been cool to have a veteran monger as bar owner assumming you'd still post stuff. Was it a kbar that you missed the opportunity on? Town or Kalihi? You don't have to answer hehe.