Korean Bar Reports

[QUOTE=Smokin Gun;1161455]I would definitely give more to Tammy Mori or Stephanie Lum for a BBBJCIM than I would give to Monica or Coco.[/QUOTE]I've seen the question come up on other boards where people question whether four figure fees per hour are worth it to fuck porn stars, or is it better to see very pretty escorts / providers who are not famous at the reasonable rates.

I'm more the latter. Even as nuts for Steph L. And Cindy P. As I am, I wound't pay anymore than what's reasonable for a typical escort. At the end of the day, it's the service quality I remember, not necessarily the girl.

I do agree with his initial feeling of being ripped off since it's the way they went about doing it. But technically, he did get "sumthin'" for his dollah.

[QUOTE=John Ross;1161006]I wouldn't call it being ROBBED as you got a BBBJCIM. It would have been ROBBERY if you got nothing. So how was Momi's BBBJ?[/QUOTE]You know I got to say that her skills were pretty damn good. I usually have a hard time relaesing with BJ but she got me there. Have yet to try Monica or Coco at Kison so I have no comparison of her skills to those 2.

[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa;1161600]I do agree with his initial feeling of being ripped off since it's the way they went about doing it. But technically, he did get "sumthin'" for his dollah.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I mean he is justified in feeling ripped off, but it's like paying too much for a used car and having buyer's remorse the next day.

[QUOTE=John Ross;1159602]What's going on with all the bar closings? First Casino, then Maya's and now All Star. I know Maya is supposed to take over Evergreen, but how come no one wants her old place. Back in the day, there wasn't a day these places were closed. Renovations were done after the bar closed as all the booths were pre-made and just needed to be trucked in. If there are more closures, we won't have too many bars to go to.[/QUOTE]All star should have closed months ago. Judy wasn't keeping up with the rent. The place was DOA for months, even years ago. She was never a good manager. Let's hope a new mama takes over soon and fixes up the place and reopens.

New Casino is a strange issue. Word is that the owner wanted a cut of the monthly action in addition to monthly rent. Nobody is dumb to fall for that as the economy makes it hard enough to pay the rent. Hopefully the owner gets smart and leases out the place so he can make money again. Another issue was that he wanted someone to pay the back rent. No new mama wants to start out in the hole so that would also be hard to swallow.

Word is also out that the girls will be back at evergreens / mayas on April 1. Hopefully miki will GTF out of there. She is benefitting from Maya being there (with all her customers) so it might be hard to get rid of her.

There are other bars on life support. I figure only a matter of time before club business dies. The existing tomorrow location wasn't a money maker so after the money train runs dry who knows what will happen there.

Let's hope that the old Maya's opens up as a bar again but it won't work it ann takes over it again.

With the slow / bad economy the bars just need to keep their heads above the water until footbal season (hopefully). The only problem is that it may take years before the bar scene recovers.

[QUOTE=John Ross;1161006]I wouldn't call it being ROBBED as you got a BBBJCIM. It would have been ROBBERY if you got nothing. So how was Momi's BBBJ?[/QUOTE]I have to agree, at least you got serviced. Don't know where you all have been but this scam has been around forever in the bar scene, not only for cumalot but for many of the other bars in town and in kalihi. You also see this in the v bars.

Guess you live and learn, you have to get burned once before you wise up (not you but all us bar mongers). I think many of us have first time stories before we either woke up or learned from forums like this.

[QUOTE=Phreekstyle; 1160850]I am writing a cautionary report for guys that break some cardinal rules when going to KBs. The #1 rule being don't go alone and get drunk. Especially if you hand over your credit card for a bar tab. You may as well hand over your wallet and say "RAPE ME!"

Went over to cameltoes on Friday by myself cause I was waiting for a friend to show up so that we could go to 939 to see some titties. Sat with JGirl Momi who was looking kinda hot in her glittery dress that night. 30 minutes in I get a text from my homie saying "I tired, going go home noe." by this time I'm kinda feeling kud and never like walk to 939 by myself so I decided to stay for a little bit (BIG MISTAKE)

So I get dragged into the room and I get conned into buy into buy not 1 bottle of champagne but 3. MUTHER EFFIN 3 MUTHER EFFIN BOTTLES! And got only BBJCIM and a GRAND on my credit card bill with NOTHING to show for it.

I coulda gotten a big screen LCD TV for that shit. So my brothers DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT go solo to a KB and hand over the credit card and get drunk. I think I'ma stay away from KBs from now on, I need to cut down my credit card debt. I got to grow a spine one day. Maybe this kick in the balls will do it for me.[/QUOTE]I swear Patty mama is the devil. Cameltoes should be boycotted

[QUOTE=Phreekstyle;1161694]You know I got to say that her skills were pretty damn good. I usually have a hard time relaesing with BJ but she got me there. Have yet to try Monica or Coco at Kison so I have no comparison of her skills to those 2.[/QUOTE]I'm rather envious of you as I've bought Momi several bottles in the past and never got any play like that! You are a very lucky guy.

[QUOTE=John Ross;1161762]I'm rather envious of you as I've bought Momi several bottles in the past and never got any play like that! You are a very lucky guy.[/QUOTE]Keyword for the bars will be as above. Guys going for the play should find it; just control the spending (I. E, buyers control the price; not vice versa). When attacking a fortress, engage the enemy as little as possible: cut all food and water supplies; starve the enemy until weak; send constant propaganda messages of surrender; promise not to mistreat prisoners; burn the fortress down. The object is to win without incurring casualties on your side (the enemy is thinking the same).

[QUOTE=Member 69;1161717]All star should have closed months ago. Judy wasn't keeping up with the rent. The place was DOA for months, even years ago. She was never a good manager. Let's hope a new mama takes over soon and fixes up the place and reopens.[/QUOTE]Passed by last night and for a second, I thought it was open as I seen cars parked in front and the doors were open. But, there were older people outside and an older female inside just standing. I wonder if they plan to take over this place?

Anyone know the name of the hot bartender in Club Business? Long hair, nice boobs, skinny.

[QUOTE=Member 69;1161717]New Casino is a strange issue. Word is that the owner wanted a cut of the monthly action in addition to monthly rent. Nobody is dumb to fall for that as the economy makes it hard enough to pay the rent. Hopefully the owner gets smart and leases out the place so he can make money again. Another issue was that he wanted someone to pay the back rent. No new mama wants to start out in the hole so that would also be hard to swallow.[/QUOTE]Pretty much every property owner takes a percentage every month, its a standard business. A month ago it came up that Julie mama owes a lot of money and is going through all kinds of legal issues. Not sure but think it was mentioned to that she bailed somewhere.

[QUOTE=Blade82;1161981]Pretty much every property owner takes a percentage every month, its a standard business. A month ago it came up that Julie mama owes a lot of money and is going through all kinds of legal issues. Not sure but think it was mentioned to that she bailed somewhere.[/QUOTE]I don't see how the property owner can ask for a % when they already ask for exorbitant lease rates. I think Casino and Butterfly had leases of something like $30k a month. That means a bar has to clear $1k a day just to pay lease rent. Look at the amount of customers those places had and I don't see them clearing that.

The property owners hui also has a loan on the property so they must also make their mortgage payments. The only kind of business that can pay that high rent is bars. With a liquor license sitting stagnant, no one is making money. What else are they going to do, turn the property into retail shops and pray the owner is able to make it in this bad economy? If they do that, I think the liquor license is gone for good as they are closer than 500 feet from each other and the neighborhood board will have a say in any new bar opening up requesting a license.

[QUOTE=Kitie Carson;1161945]Anyone know the name of the hot bartender in Club Business? Long hair, nice boobs, skinny.[/QUOTE]Thats Nicky She a awesome girl.

[QUOTE=Member 69;1161717]Let's hope that the old Maya's opens up as a bar again but it won't work it ann takes over it again.[/QUOTE]I don't know if this is the same Ann mama who retired years ago and who lived in a huge house near Kapahulu and rented-out rooms to her girls, but I remember her as being regarded by the top-of-the-line girls in the 90's as the nicest mama. She was an "in-demand" mama because she treated her girls so well, and as a result they followed her when she moved and were loyal to her. I thought she was the nicest as well.

If this is the same mama (so pretty, pleasant, and relaxed, usually with glasses), what are your thoughts as to why it won't work were she to take over Maya's again?

Thanks,

H M

[QUOTE=H Mobius; 1162189]I don't know if this is the same Ann mama who retired years ago and who lived in a huge house near Kapahulu and rented-out rooms to her girls, but I remember her as being regarded by the top-of-the-line girls in the 90's as the nicest mama. She was an "in-demand" mama because she treated her girls so well, and as a result they followed her when she moved and were loyal to her. I thought she was the nicest as well.

If this is the same mama (so pretty, pleasant, and relaxed, usually with glasses) , what are your thoughts as to why it won't work were she to take over Maya's again?

Thanks,

H M[/QUOTE]Is this the Ann thats Patty's sister and ran T-Time about 4 years ago? Altho pleasant looking, I don't recall her as being 'pretty' and she was into her 60s already? I think Suji or the one that skipped town took over after she retired. As a bar location, it had its ups and downs last few years and even when Ann ran it wasnt all that busy then. I think the bar location and size are positives tho. Its between the Sheradon Makaloa bar hopping walk so location alone was attractive for customers. Maya did ok recenty there it seems but I think its a matter of splitting the bar girl pool of talent that will be the main determining factor. Its a matter of spitting the existing pie of available girls and I don't think both Evergreen and TTime location can co-exist as popular bars due the limited talent available. Thats my take on the situation anyway.