[QUOTE=HugeDk;6438718]In this case SC was generic for strip club. Yes the name of the club and dancer are embedded in the photo label.[/QUOTE]Unless the dancer name is Daytime Dancer, in this case the dancer name wasn't embedded in the label.
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[QUOTE=HugeDk;6438718]In this case SC was generic for strip club. Yes the name of the club and dancer are embedded in the photo label.[/QUOTE]Unless the dancer name is Daytime Dancer, in this case the dancer name wasn't embedded in the label.
The simple solution is for the OP to just say who the dancer is & where from. He literally lists out several dancers and their club in the posts. No idea why he chooses to play this weird game with labelling pics. I'd rather not have to download them to my phone just to read the person's name.
There are reasons to not want those pics on our phones. Among other things, any image I save is automatically added to my cloud account. Would rather not have those uploaded into there.
[QUOTE=TrollMahn;6435657]Save the photo & read the file name. It's what works for me on Android.[/QUOTE]
I'll just say that like with most of your advice, I'll ignore it. Not going to sexually assault a dancer (which is what you described) to make her so uncomfortable that she would leave. I can get up, I can ask her to leave, or tell her not to sit with me in the first place.
With this particular one, I let her sit with me at first bc she looked good, but I got bad vibes when speaking with her. I tried being nice and dropping hints - "I'm waiting on friends and not doing anything until they're here," "I need a couple drinks in me to get warmed up," "I may have to step outside and do a work call. " She was either too dumb to pick up on them, or smart enough to realize that if she gets up, there were other girls hovering around that would try to sit with me.
I could have made a big stink about it, but that's not how I roll. First of all, $24 for her double is nothing, not even couch change. I was already annoyed that I couldn't get the one hottie there to leave her regular, and was annoyed by tattoo face pierce girl that she was hounding me. When the waitress said I ordered her a drink, she had sat down and was literally chugging it. I thought about what to do for a moment and decided that silently reminding them that I'm the customer and it's my money was the best way to handle this.
It was funny. Both the waitress & the dancer were shocked. I literally stood up, took out my full wallet with a lot of money visible in it, then counted out exactly $32 & put it on the table. Didn't say a word to either and did not touch my beer. I made my point. And if tattoo face pierce girl is there next time I go in, I just won't let her sit with me in the first place.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;6434009]Absolutely you should not have paid for her double drink. Just refusing to pay for her drink could cause her to avoid you. If she sees you again she'll likely do it again because it worked. A trick I've used when a dancer refuses to leave my table is I start feeling them up, playing with her tits, then move my hand toward the puss. They hate the idea of you getting free feels. They'll avoid you the next time they see you. If you pay her to leave she'll try to collect it every time she sees you in a club.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SamPerkins420;6439677]
I could have made a big stink about it, but that's not how I roll. First of all, $24 for her double is nothing, not even couch change. When the waitress said I ordered her a drink, she had sat down and was literally chugging it. I thought about what to do for a moment and decided that silently reminding them that I'm the customer and it's my money was the best way to handle this.
It was funny. Both the waitress & the dancer were shocked. I literally stood up, took out my full wallet with a lot of money visible in it, then counted out exactly $32 & put it on the table. Didn't say a word to either and did not touch my beer. I made my point. [/QUOTE]Can't fault you if you feel that was the best way to handle it.
I would think for most, not paying would be considered the best way. It's not even about the amount being "nothing", it's the general principal of letting someone get way with something you didn't agree to.
Showing you have plenty more funds where that came from really doesn't shock anyone. Plenty of folks come in with a wad of cash and don't spent much from it, especially if they don't see what they like.
[QUOTE=SamPerkins420;6439677] And if tattoo face pierce girl is there next time I go in, I just won't let her sit with me in the first place.[/QUOTE]Just how will you not let her sit with you? Will you say "don't sit here"? Then she sits down anyway and asks "why not"? What do you do then? Move to a new table? Go outside to make a phone call? Do what you want, it's no sweat off my balls.
Sometimes, you just have to say no and be firm. I've gotten better at that in time.
Her amygdala may take over: She might get upset, call you names, get bitchy, whatever. But it's your money. You don't have to spend it if you don't want to.
This is part of the reason I'm glad I'm a somewhat known commodity at the various clubs I frequent most often. It's good to have a bartender, a manager, a floor host, a front door bouncer, a girl who takes the cover charge, a few dancers, whoever, who know you and know you come back often enough that you aren't a troublemaker. Not only are the plusses little things like often not having to pay cover or getting a drink comped now and then, they also know, if a newer or problem dancer complains about you, they're going to be pretty certain you were within your rights and she's the one who's got a problem.
In case anyone is interested, it looks like that Linzee Ryder is performing at Vegas Strip in Battle Creek this Saturday, May 13.
[QUOTE=DannyOceanMi;6441591]In case anyone is interested, it looks like that Linzee Ryder is performing at Vegas Strip in Battle Creek this Saturday, May 13.[/QUOTE]Don't expect extras at Vegas Strip. Fun place to hang out and drink, but the main stage is behind the bar, so not a great view of the girls. You may get a lap dance, but it is pretty tame. However Happy Spa is about a mile north.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;6441132]Just how will you not let her sit with you? Will you say "don't sit here"? Then she sits down anyway and asks "why not"? What do you do then? Move to a new table? Go outside to make a phone call? Do what you want, it's no sweat off my balls.[/QUOTE]I just say "I'm waiting on someone" if someone I'm not attracted to comes to sit with me. I have never had someone sit down if they know someone else has "dibs". They don't want that drama.
[QUOTE=SomeDetroitGuy;6441829]I just say "I'm waiting on someone" if someone I'm not attracted to comes to sit with me. I have never had someone sit down if they know someone else has "dibs". They don't want that drama.[/QUOTE]The problem is the girls who live for drama. "I'm waiting for someone", "who, buy me a drink, why not." You'll have to experience it to really understand.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;6442513]The problem is the girls who live for drama. "I'm waiting for someone", "who, buy me a drink, why not." You'll have to experience it to really understand.[/QUOTE]I completely agree. The girls who have other prospects will move right along. But the girls who don't sit down and pester you. The reason they do it is that is works, and percentage of guys will give them $10 or $20 to go away.
There is no problem being direct you won't hurt these girls feelings. They get rejects all day by guys would never be able to get near them if it wasn't for dollar bills.
You can simply say, I don't want you to sit with me please leave.
Then you can be more direct, and say if you are sitting with me the girl I want to join me won't come and sit with me.
MM.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;6442513]The problem is the girls who live for drama. "I'm waiting for someone", "who, buy me a drink, why not." You'll have to experience it to really understand.[/QUOTE]Been there. You're right, it's not fun.
It's a complete misunderstanding of why we're in the building when the dancer decides to make the experience unpleasant after us customers make it clear, "Sorry, not interested," as if going against our wishes somehow makes us want to spend more on them. It's not good for the other girls or the club, either, because it makes you less apt to want to go to the club, period.
Thing is, they do prey upon the weak-willed. The more you don't stand up to them, the more you let them sit and talk you into tips or dances or VIPs or whatever, the more they get away with it.
At the end of the day, money talks. If you like the sweeter, nicer, friendlier girls, spend your money on them. If you don't like the pushy bitches, don't spend your money on them. Just remember that: The more pushy she gets with you, the less you should want to support that approach. If you're not going to spend, she's going to get pushier, so you might as well just be stubborn and short back if that starts to happen.
Get to a certain point and they'll do everything from accusing you of being lame to rude to, if she's not the same ethnicity as you, maybe racist. But it's your money and your time at the club. Much the way you can't force her to do anything, she can't force you to do anything.
[QUOTE=SomeDetroitGuy;6441829]I just say "I'm waiting on someone" if someone I'm not attracted to comes to sit with me. I have never had someone sit down if they know someone else has "dibs". They don't want that drama.[/QUOTE]There are two ways to deal with this. Tell them they are not your type and you'd rather see dancer X. Two just get up and walk to another seat which only works if you are not there with other people and the bar is not crowded.
I'm sorry to ask this instead of searching the thread, and you guys can say that if the answers are within reach. But is the Landing Strip better than Flight Club for extras? From what I remember, they're both "baller" level clubs, but I've never gone down to LS.
I went into Flight Club last week after getting my fill at Henry VIII, just to see if the girls are as hot as I've heard here. GOOD GOD they were, and there were so many. But I didn't go up with a single one for various reasons aside from the club atmosphere in general (music too loud, general layout, etc):
-There was a $25 fee every time you went upstairs.
-The girls wanted too much (IMO) for what I wanted to do (anal fingering at the most). At H8 it averages out to 30-50 a song. The few willing to entertain that at FC wanted crazy money (like 100+). Although, I didn't ask every girl; it seems each had a different rate for going upstairs for just plain dances. That in itself threw me off, and I left soon after coming in.
Now I'm thinking about going back to that area again soon (tomorrow at the latest), and trying out the Landing Strip. Is it better than FC in the areas I mention above, or is it worse? No need to rush answering this; it's only 15m away from the H8 area.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6443516]Been there. You're right, it's not fun.
It's a complete misunderstanding of why we're in the building when the dancer decides to make the experience unpleasant after us customers make it clear, "Sorry, not interested," as if going against our wishes somehow makes us want to spend more on them. It's not good for the other girls or the club, either, because it makes you less apt to want to go to the club, period.
Thing is, they do prey upon the weak-willed. The more you don't stand up to them, the more you let them sit and talk you into tips or dances or VIPs or whatever, the more they get away with it.
At the end of the day, money talks. If you like the sweeter, nicer, friendlier girls, spend your money on them. If you don't like the pushy bitches, don't spend your money on them. Just remember that: The more pushy she gets with you, the less you should want to support that approach. If you're not going to spend, she's going to get pushier, so you might as well just be stubborn and short back if that starts to happen.
Get to a certain point and they'll do everything from accusing you of being lame to rude to, if she's not the same ethnicity as you, maybe racist. But it's your money and your time at the club. Much the way you can't force her to do anything, she can't force you to do anything.[/QUOTE]I don't think the girls have any awareness or couldn't possibly care less about what's good for the other girls or the club.
[QUOTE=HornKnee;6444034]I'm sorry to ask this instead of searching the thread, and you guys can say that if the answers are within reach. But is the Landing Strip better than Flight Club for extras? From what I remember, they're both "baller" level clubs, but I've never gone down to LS.
I went into Flight Club last week after getting my fill at Henry VIII, just to see if the girls are as hot as I've heard here. GOOD GOD they were, and there were so many. But I didn't go up with a single one for various reasons aside from the club atmosphere in general (music too loud, general layout, etc):
-There was a $25 fee every time you went upstairs.
-The girls wanted too much (IMO) for what I wanted to do (anal fingering at the most). At H8 it averages out to 30-50 a song. The few willing to entertain that at FC wanted crazy money (like 100+). Although, I didn't ask every girl; it seems each had a different rate for going upstairs for just plain dances. That in itself threw me off, and I left soon after coming in.
Now I'm thinking about going back to that area again soon (tomorrow at the latest), and trying out the Landing Strip. Is it better than FC in the areas I mention above, or is it worse? No need to rush answering this; it's only 15m away from the H8 area.[/QUOTE]That's really great question! PRE-COVID, I found the LS girls to have a fatal case of GPS and would often ask crazy $ to go back for anything, which really soured me on the place, especially since I had liked the venue a lot despite the girls being not as hot as FC.
Jules Jordan has reported here on his success in the past year at $$ or less during day shift. Maybe it has carried over to nights as well.
During the pandemic, FC girls got infected with the GPS virus and felt it was OK to ask $$ or more for a FS trip. I had some negotiation success on slow nights that made it tolerable and led to a few very memorable interactions. But I'll bet it's been quite a while since been in there, as I prefer not to hassle. AMPs with FS have provided a better alternative.
Landing strip on Tuesday afternoon had a decent amount of talent and a good customer / dancer ratio (from the customer's view point) but the vibe was a bit. Off. Most dancers seemed to be a little on edge for some reason- which I could not ascertain.
Dancers working that I saw.
Liliana- decently cute Hispanic with long hair.
Cassandra- white, long dark hair, glasses, good well-proportioned body, glasses.
Kendall- fit Asian.
Violet- skinny caucasian.
Mariah- well put together mixed (ethnicity.
Emma- gorgeous blonde- looks like a California girl; small breasts and a killer smile; had a constant line of business as you can imagine.
Nadia- black, aggressive and pretty.
Harley- Heard the name but didn't see her.
Cassandra provided a solid session but was hard to move off 300.
[QUOTE=AgedAngus;6438568]Before she got the bolton's and was at Players she quoted $1 K for a VIP treatment. I did have the funds however I still refused to let go with that amount of cash for her when I could have fun with 8-10 other cute girls for $$.
Kelsey ended up at Penthouse with her GF Anna after her bolton's and never seen her since. Even to this day I do not regret![/QUOTE]Sometimes a dancer will quote an outrageous amount if she's not interested in going to the VIP for extras with the customer.
[QUOTE=ProjectCastor;6444546]Landing strip on Tuesday afternoon had a decent amount of talent and a good customer / dancer ratio (from the customer's view point) but the vibe was a bit. Off. Most dancers seemed to be a little on edge for some reason- which I could not ascertain.
Dancers working that I saw.
Liliana- decently cute Hispanic with long hair.
Cassandra- white, long dark hair, glasses, good well-proportioned body, glasses.
Kendall- fit Asian.
Violet- skinny caucasian.
Mariah- well put together mixed (ethnicity.
Emma- gorgeous blonde- looks like a California girl; small breasts and a killer smile; had a constant line of business as you can imagine.
Nadia- black, aggressive and pretty.
Harley- Heard the name but didn't see her.
Cassandra provided a solid session but was hard to move off 300.[/QUOTE]Kendall and Harley (if it is the tanned blond one with tats) are fun to talk to and eager in the VIP!!
[QUOTE=ChastD1959;6444117]I don't think the girls have any awareness or couldn't possibly care less about what's good for the other girls or the club.[/QUOTE]The girls? No. But the customers, and club staff / owners, should.
That's why the customers should hold firm on not giving those girls any money, and club staff / owners, if they see / hear such interaction, should tell such girls to take a hike from their club.
Everyone has eyes and ears and is part of the interplay.
And so, for those of us who like to go on island trips, I thought maybe we could post known providers. I'll go first:
Right now, I only know of three, at Henry's North: Nicole (day shift), Kassie / Cassie (days & nights) and Rainbow (days & nights). Rainbow is thick, white girl who always had a pink / red hair color). She used to be staple there but I haven't seen her in probably six months and the last time I did, she was at Bogart's.
Although I don't go as much as I used too, I'm unaware of anyone at Bogart's who's currently taking trips.
I don't go to any of the other clubs. Probably 8-10 years ago, I was a regular at SC but the girl (s) I was seeing there had moved on.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6446376]The girls? No. But the customers, and club staff / owners, should.
That's why the customers should hold firm on not giving those girls any money, and club staff / owners, if they see / hear such interaction, should tell such girls to take a hike from their club.
Everyone has eyes and ears and is part of the interplay.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Annoyances and bad experiences lead to going elsewhere to spend your money. There's so many clubs and so many choices in the area, why would you want to go to a place where you don't have an enjoyable experience? It's managements responsibility to get involved and quash problems.
Aside from spending money on drinks and fees, there's one more thing to remember: The dancers need our money, more than we need their pussy.
[QUOTE=Incognito1234;6446814]And so, for those of us who like to go on island trips, I thought maybe we could post known providers.[/QUOTE]I had to Google what this meant. There are a lot of island countries. I'm guessing you're referring to Greece.
[QUOTE=Incognito1234;6446829]It's managements responsibility to get involved and quash problems.[/QUOTE]Playing some three-dimensional chess here, one of the admittedly difficult things about Detroit clubs is the fact a lot happens under the table. For the most part, that's good -- that's how dancers are able to provide services in Detroit you really struggle to find elsewhere in the Midwest. However, some dancers take advantage of that in a bad way.
Because so much is negotiated in Detroit between dancer and customer without club interaction, there's a line as to what issues you can take up with club management. Management will probably not intervene or acknowledge anything negotiated between dancer and customer, so you're on your own there. Dancers with ill intent, and they're out there, can take advantage of that. While my best clubbing experiences have been in Detroit, some of my worst have been, too. If she said I did six songs when I only got and paid for two, if I'm in the right, I know I can talk to the guy counting at the room door about that. If I pay up front for FS (bad idea), and she stops after two minutes of CBJ, that's a different story.
That said, management must have some knowledge of what goes on, and they also need to have a gauge on whether customers are happy or unhappy. For the most part, dancers see enough customers that reactions should have some consistency, even if the club doesn't know the details of every interaction. It's up to the staff and management to monitor that somewhat.
In an ideal scenario, dancers who consistently make customers feel like they're being pushed into stuff they didn't want or didn't enjoy, or who don't leave customers walking away satisfied, should be dealt with. If we lived in a world where we could treat sex work like any other industry, that might involve customer service training, being paired with another dancer to learn how to treat customers better, or whatever. Again, though, because this isn't like any other industry, I'm not terribly off-put by "shape up or ship out" for most dancers who are pushy to the point of discomfort if it's a decent club.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6446837]I had to Google what this meant. There are a lot of island countries. I'm guessing you're referring to Greece.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's what I'm referring to. Visiting the Greek Islands: AKA Anal.
So I stopped at Henry's one night to check things out (I think it was Wed). Kind of dead, most of the usual lineup including a newer girl named India. India is an AA dancer with a build I describe as slim thick. Nice ass with some hips and thighs, some pretty nice manmades and a fairly flat stomach. She sat down and we chatted for a few and she was pretty cool and asked about a dance. I wasn't necessarily looking for extras and she didn't offer but I thought a couple dances could be fun so I said sure. Dances were full contact and after a couple songs she offered extras. She quoted 150 for the works and I couldn't say no. I can say I'm quite happy that I said yes. This chick turned into quite the freak. The BJ was covered but very enthusiastic, and the face down ass up doggie was great and she enjoyed a good pounding. I definitely recommend and will be repeating.
[QUOTE=ProjectCastor;6444546]Landing strip on Tuesday afternoon had a decent amount of talent and a good customer / dancer ratio (from the customer's view point) but the vibe was a bit. Off. Most dancers seemed to be a little on edge for some reason- which I could not ascertain.
Dancers working that I saw.
Liliana- decently cute Hispanic with long hair.
Cassandra- white, long dark hair, glasses, good well-proportioned body, glasses.
Kendall- fit Asian.
Violet- skinny caucasian.
Mariah- well put together mixed (ethnicity.
Emma- gorgeous blonde- looks like a California girl; small breasts and a killer smile; had a constant line of business as you can imagine.
Nadia- black, aggressive and pretty.
Harley- Heard the name but didn't see her.
Cassandra provided a solid session but was hard to move off 300.[/QUOTE]Any sightings of Blue (aka Nina at LS) or anywhere else? Reportedly was working days at LS.
[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;6446330]Kendall and Harley (if it is the tanned blond one with tats) are fun to talk to and eager in the VIP!![/QUOTE]I tried getting a dance from Kendall the last time I was there, but she wanted far too much.
[QUOTE=Lamarr;6447567]Any sightings of Blue (aka Nina at LS) or anywhere else? Reportedly was working days at LS.[/QUOTE]Blue, was working at LS on a Tuesday back in March of this year.
Always curious / interested when I read posts like these. IMHO, many of the women who work in clubs are perfectly clear about how they make a living. I think they are almost able to "justify" in their minds what goes on in the VIP, by arguing that they are working in a Club not acting as Escorts or Prostitutes, who are somehow lower in their view.
What ever gets them thru the night is fine by me, I'm certainly not going to look down upon them for how they choose to entertain.
Personally, I have had more then one conversation with a Gal about rates and activities, and have always been open and honest in saying that hey, I understand that "to each their own" Whether it is being attracted to a certain type of gal, or the rate they ask for, I simply explain that I understand that they each do as they like and charge what they like, and that not everyone is a "match".
I am not good about "negotiating" but I've found that an honest approach, and even a polite compliment or to decline an invitation should that person not be in my price range, is appreciated more often than not. Just my 2-cents.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6435904]It's not necessarily about us looking at it from the girl's perspective. It's about the girl looking at it from the perspective of other girls in the same position as her. She's putting down all her co-workers who do extras behind their backs. She's putting down all the girls in the hotel rooms who are doing the same things she's doing, just elsewhere, behind their backs. To an extent, she's even putting down herself.
If you're going to be involved in any professional field, I think you should own it, even if it's sex work, and stand up for the other people in your field. Even if you're competing with them on certain levels, you should be able to stand up for your industry generally. It's aloof, elitist and selfish on her part to try and draw such a thinly delineated difference between her ways and everyone else's..[/QUOTE]
Just a thought, but "befriending" a security person or manager can go a long way. I had a silly experience with a gal (can't remember name) at FC. She tried to charge me for 2-dances when only 1 was performed, as she was awful.
I had spoken with the Main Security Person on Day Shift, Brian in the past. He is shorter, stocky & muscular with short hair. Previously I had complimented him on the Club in general, and I could tell it was much appreciated. After this "bad experience" I explained my version to him, and while I knew he believed me, I apologized, told him it was silly and that I was embarrassed to even be involved with such a horrible dancer, and gladly gave up the extra $30 simply to maintain good will. After this the Manger came over, and introduced himself, and insisted upon buying me a drink for the hassle.
This was a couple months ago, and to this day, when ever I am there, the Mgr. Still makes a point to come up and shake my hand and greet me, and has bought me a couple of drinks. Also, I have tipped Brian a couple times, and should I go to VIP (usually downstairs where he stands) he will only charge me ONCE for the VIP fee.
At this point I'm almost grateful that this awful dancer, who is no longer there, pulled this crap, as it has only shown me to be a good customer, and pays dividends even today.
[QUOTE=ChimilDetin;6446869]Playing some three-dimensional chess here, one of the admittedly difficult things about Detroit clubs is the fact a lot happens under the table. For the most part, that's good -- that's how dancers are able to provide services in Detroit you really struggle to find elsewhere in the Midwest. However, some dancers take advantage of that in a bad way.
Because so much is negotiated in Detroit between dancer and customer without club interaction, there's a line as to what issues you can take up with club management. Management will probably not intervene or acknowledge anything negotiated between dancer and customer, so you're on your own there. Dancers with ill intent, and they're out there, can take advantage of that. While my best clubbing experiences have been in Detroit, some of my worst have been, too. If she said I did six songs when I only got and paid for two, if I'm in the right, I know I can talk to the guy counting at the room door about that. If I pay up front for FS (bad idea), and she stops after two minutes of CBJ, that's a different story.
That said, management must have some knowledge of what goes on, and they also need to have a gauge on whether customers are happy or unhappy. For the most part, dancers see enough customers that reactions should have some consistency, even if the club doesn't know the details of every interaction. It's up to the staff and management to monitor that somewhat.[/QUOTE]
Bogarts day. Anyone know where Alanna and Grace went?
Thinking about making a trip to Henry's in the day. Who should I be on the look out for? Nicole and who else?
[QUOTE=Drew93;6448032]Blue, was working at LS on a Tuesday back in March of this year.[/QUOTE]Blue-Nina very talented oral skills.
I agree. Back when I was a regular of a club I was tight with the manager. I used to say: You know what I like send someone over. He would pick one of his best girls and there would be no issues. Trust me, the manager already knows who the problem girls are it won't take much to have him on your side.
[QUOTE=NorinRad;6448227]Just a thought, but "befriending" a security person or manager can go a long way. I had a silly experience with a gal (can't remember name) at FC. She tried to charge me for 2-dances when only 1 was performed, as she was awful.
I had spoken with the Main Security Person on Day Shift, Brian in the past. He is shorter, stocky & muscular with short hair. Previously I had complimented him on the Club in general, and I could tell it was much appreciated. After this "bad experience" I explained my version to him, and while I knew he believed me, I apologized, told him it was silly and that I was embarrassed to even be involved with such a horrible dancer, and gladly gave up the extra $30 simply to maintain good will. After this the Manger came over, and introduced himself, and insisted upon buying me a drink for the hassle.
This was a couple months ago, and to this day, when ever I am there, the Mgr. Still makes a point to come up and shake my hand and greet me, and has bought me a couple of drinks. Also, I have tipped Brian a couple times, and should I go to VIP (usually downstairs where he stands) he will only charge me ONCE for the VIP fee.
At this point I'm almost grateful that this awful dancer, who is no longer there, pulled this crap, as it has only shown me to be a good customer, and pays dividends even today.[/QUOTE]
Hi everyone, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place. But I'm a guy in the Metro Detroit area looking for some extras. Just how do you go about getting them? I was thinking maybe getting a few dances from a girl and asking about the VIP during then. I've also head that LS, FC, Silver Criket, are good places to go for that sorta thing. Any suggestions as what clubs to go to? Asking for a friend.
[QUOTE=NorinRad;6448197]Always curious / interested when I read posts like these. IMHO, many of the women who work in clubs are perfectly clear about how they make a living. I think they are almost able to "justify" in their minds what goes on in the VIP, by arguing that they are working in a Club not acting as Escorts or Prostitutes, who are somehow lower in their view.
What ever gets them thru the night is fine by me, I'm certainly not going to look down upon them for how they choose to entertain.[/QUOTE]Interesting how you put it: You say dancers see escorts & prostitutes as somehow lower, then you say you won't look down upon them for that. To "look down upon" someone is a use of the same idea; you'd be looking down because they're lower somehow. So you're choosing not to look down on someone for looking down on someone.
I'm of the opinion we shouldn't really look down on anyone else who's doing what they can to make a living without hurting anyone else. I look down upon those who look down upon other people in that way. Both ways are ways to make a living. I don't have a problem with either.
If anything, I have as much of a problem with the dancer who looks down on the escorts or prostitutes as I do society generally looking down on sex workers of all types. I'd like to see it all destigmatized. It doesn't help when people in the industry commit what amounts to in-industry put-downs. It's silly to me and I'd have taken issue with the dancer in the original post in part because I'd like to take issue with everyone who puts all of the above, dancers, escorts, prostitutes, whatever, down, but it's a lot easier to do it with someone who does what amounts to the same thing.
[QUOTE=NorinRad;6448227]Just a thought, but "befriending" a security person or manager can go a long way. I had a silly experience with a gal (can't remember name) at FC. She tried to charge me for 2-dances when only 1 was performed, as she was awful.
I had spoken with the Main Security Person on Day Shift, Brian in the past. He is shorter, stocky & muscular with short hair. Previously I had complimented him on the Club in general, and I could tell it was much appreciated. After this "bad experience" I explained my version to him, and while I knew he believed me, I apologized, told him it was silly and that I was embarrassed to even be involved with such a horrible dancer, and gladly gave up the extra $30 simply to maintain good will. After this the Manger came over, and introduced himself, and insisted upon buying me a drink for the hassle.
This was a couple months ago, and to this day, when ever I am there, the Mgr. Still makes a point to come up and shake my hand and greet me, and has bought me a couple of drinks. Also, I have tipped Brian a couple times, and should I go to VIP (usually downstairs where he stands) he will only charge me ONCE for the VIP fee.
At this point I'm almost grateful that this awful dancer, who is no longer there, pulled this crap, as it has only shown me to be a good customer, and pays dividends even today.[/QUOTE]If you're willing to allow yourself to be ripped off to maintain "good will" you may be "rewarded" with a free over-priced drink, as long as you tip the bouncer. I see no reason to tip a bouncer. They are not there for your convenience, they're there to protect the dancers, so it's the dancers who need to tip them. They help dancers rip-off customers. I would have told the dancer "nice try honey, it was one song and a crappy dance so be happy witb your $30" and walked out. But wait, I just remembered, they have my car keys. Was your free drink worth $30? You seem to think so, it wouldn't be for me. I can afford $30, I just don't like being viewed as a punk who allows himself to be shaken down.
[QUOTE=Escentia;6448892]Hi everyone, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place. But I'm a guy in the Metro Detroit area looking for some extras. Just how do you go about getting them? I was thinking maybe getting a few dances from a girl and asking about the VIP during then. I've also head that LS, FC, Silver Criket, are good places to go for that sorta thing. Any suggestions as what clubs to go to? Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]Since you're asking for a friend, tell your friend to post what he's looking for, budget, when he plans to go, etc. Someone should be able to help him.
[QUOTE=Escentia;6448892]Hi everyone, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place. But I'm a guy in the Metro Detroit area looking for some extras. Just how do you go about getting them? I was thinking maybe getting a few dances from a girl and asking about the VIP during then. I've also head that LS, FC, Silver Criket, are good places to go for that sorta thing. Any suggestions as what clubs to go to? Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]You literally just spelled out exactly how it works.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;6449085]If you're willing to allow yourself to be ripped off to maintain "good will" you may be "rewarded" with a free over-priced drink, as long as you tip the bouncer. I see no reason to tip a bouncer. They are not there for your convenience, they're there to protect the dancers, so it's the dancers who need to tip them. They help dancers rip-off customers. I would have told the dancer "nice try honey, it was one song and a crappy dance so be happy witb your $30" and walked out. But wait, I just remembered, they have my car keys. Was your free drink worth $30? You seem to think so, it wouldn't be for me. I can afford $30, I just don't like being viewed as a punk who allows himself to be shaken down.[/QUOTE]Bouncers are people, too.
Sometimes, you don't even have to give them a tip. Sometimes, they're happy if you just recognize they're a person doing a kinda boring job that usually gets ignored and, ya know, [I]you just talk to them[/I] if you have a few seconds on the way in / out or if there isn't a dancer you're tracking that moment. "Tigers going to turn things around at some point?
There are more ways a bouncer can be helpful than just a drink. There are a few clubs in Chicago where I'm known enough by the staff such that the following happens:
1. I don't have to pay cover.
2. They pretty much just direct my favorite dancers to me as soon as they see me, which saves time and hassle.
3. Chicago clubs often have VIP areas where better talent circulates exclusively and is more apt to sit and talk with you for a while. Sometimes those areas even have their own separate, nicer lapper rooms and bars. I'm usually allowed to just meander in and out of those VIP areas without question.
4. I have one club where a dancer probably gets away with more than she should with me, but because we do dances often enough, and the staff sees us together so often, they don't blink an eye when I'm with her and let it slide -- which, in a place like Chicago that's more restrictive than Detroit, is saying something.
5. It's just nice to have a familiar face who knows your name, remembers who you are and asks how you're doing. One Chicago floor manager is a big baseball fan, as am I, so he likes to chat about the Yankees when he isn't busy. Honestly, as someone who pretty much knows which talent I'm going to see or not see, it's better to talk about Aaron Judge than just stare off into the distance with a drink in my hand while I'm waiting for someone.
Now yeah, some conversation with a tip is probably more welcome than conversation without it. But even if it's just a buck or two, the guy most people either pass like a dirty shirt or only interact with when they're doing something wrong will be as, if not more, appreciative of that tip than most dancers, and if you're a face he sees somewhat often, there's a good chance he'll remember and try to think of ways he can treat you nicely down the line in return.
It just breaks down to being a somewhat decent person generally to everyone -- dancers, bouncers, etc. Yes, some people are out to screw you, and you have to be careful with them. But most aren't.
Maybe, just maybe, people who are kind, easy-going and not fighting over every dollar and little thing have fewer issues with staff, valets, them holding onto your keys, etc. , because staff has fewer issues with them and they're less of a PITA for everyone surrounding them. Just a thought.