"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Good luck with your endeavors Mr Scott. If the ATF is indeed over, your *Next* ATF is probably just around the corner, you & her just do not realize it yet. Best of luck with the Southern Baby. Got to love work trips, and being able to put the FCs on the expense report!

Chi.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1452603]My friends,

I am heading out of town at the crack of dawn tomorrow to one of my favorite southern cities for a week for work, and I will be reconnecting with a sweet, sweet little baby whom I had the good fortune of meeting a year or so ago.[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

I have scheduled a vacation day from work, and the FC has been reserved for this coming Friday. The Baby will be meeting me in a restaurant in the lobby in the AM for our 'get to know you' cup of coffee, followed by a few hours of semen extraction & orgasm generation. I plan on getting there at least 1 hour ahead of time to check in, etc. All should be safe. I'm giddy with the possibilities of what is to happen next.

Awaiting the inevitable,

Chi

[QUOTE=Chiguy606;1452175]That seems like the path I was going down regardless, but you gentlemen have helped to reinforce the need for secrecy, and there are steps laid out here that I have not thought about prior that I will have to take.[/QUOTE]

scotty, i appreciate your confidence in me to luck out in the sugar games of life, but alas,"other" was the correct answer. chi man got the year's supply of condoms donated by planned parenthood.

what happened is this and i thought presented a learning opportunity. at least i learned that this girl was a flake and either was ****d and playing at being a player (very dangerous) or she got off on text sex and wasn't ever up for the m&g. she said that i grossed her out when i said "i'm in love" after sexting all day long. i was just being playful and histrionic and going along with the whole scene, but she used that to avoid a real meet.

so when things seem tgtbt, frequently they are.

sorry scott if your atf is flaking on you, but you exhibit a tremendous ability to repopulate the sugar bowl. chi man, looks like you have some sweet activity to keep you busy! good luck and have fun all! nando

[QUOTE=Chiguy606; 1452626]Gentlemen,

I have scheduled a vacation day from work, and the FC has been reserved for this coming Friday. The Baby will be meeting me in a restaurant in the lobby in the AM for our 'get to know you' cup of coffee, followed by a few hours of semen extraction & orgasm generation. I plan on getting there at least 1 hour ahead of time to check in, etc. All should be safe. I'm giddy with the possibilities of what is to happen next.

Awaiting the inevitable,

Chi[/QUOTE]I hope it works out Chiguy. The anticipation is exciting.

My view is that the lady is 50-50 not to show. Why? Well, her communications as you describe them sound more like fantasizing or game-playing than a serious approach. The pix are cute but looked staged to me. There's also a chance she's a pro.

There's at least a 50% chance I'm wrong, and for your sake I hope I am.

If I'm not, you'll be out the cost of your room. I started in my quest for non-pros, which evolved into chasing sbs, waiting in a hotel room for a CL "utr" who sent me sexy pix and said she'd meet me but didn't. I've also waited in vain in a hotel room for my first date with an sb prospect.

Also, meeting an sb prospect in a hotel establishment (a bar in my case) led to unwanted charges on my room bill one time when I left the girl in the bar to go upstairs, gave her my room number so she could join me, and she must have convinced the bartender to let her run a tab just by giving him my room number. I worried for months that he had figured out my name and given it to her.

All very depressing.

Since then I've arranged to bring new prospects to the fc on our first encounter, but I try not to incur the room charge until I'm actually sure she is coming. Your ability to do this is affected by the hotel reservation and cancellation policy of course.

I suggested earlier you try to maneuver the girl into preliminary sexual contact in your car, but others advise not to let her see your license plate.

I've worried about license plate risk a good deal. I prefer not to let her see mine but some times its been unavoidable. Out of town, when I rent a car, its not much of a risk if she does see it. I've actually rented a car in town just to avoid the problem. Several mongers posted previously that license plates are hard for a civilian to trace. I don't know. I think it's like the hotel registration. A clue to your real identity is available for the amateur detective sb to pursue if she's determined. For that matter, she could follow you. Or have a friend do it. Or bribe the hotel maid.

I would argue that the girl who lets you play with her pussy in your car is more likely to fuck you without complications than a girl you bring to your room insufficiently probed. Once in your room an unprobed woman can raise all kinds of hell and problems if she wants. Or, if she's really a pro in disguise, play all the little pro games: change the payscale, limit the services, etc. But if she's hot and wet in the car, she'll be hot and wet in the room.

That being said, I've never actually done what I'm suggesting. Like you, as I said, I've agreed to meet a prospect in a hotel room after getting some sexy pix.

I did fondle the breasts of an sb prospect in a rented car on one first encounter, just to see if she was serious. She was, but she was too desperate (she said she was living in her car) and I decided not to fuck her after all. That's what gives me the idea.

Anyway, let us know what happens. Good luck to you.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1453112]I suggested earlier you try to maneuver the girl into preliminary sexual contact in your car[/QUOTE]This comment is more for the new SD's out there who might be "lurking" on this thread. I think this suggestion is completely contextual based on the SB you're playing with. For example, you would NEVER get me to do something in a car. Sorry, but it's just a little too trashy to me. Then again, I've only ever played on one first date which means a potential SD wouldn't be wasting money in that respect.

Maybe this is a gross over generalization on my part, but "car action" seems to be something more prevalent with Nando 1's and in that case. Protect everything about yourself.

Just my thoughts for the morning. Hope everyone has a great day!

[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1452059]I've seen posts like this before and didn't quite have the words to chime in on the topic, but I seem to have found them. I'm sorry but I find it funny that you all seem to be annoyed at SB's who make sure the sugar aspect is nailed down before they do anything. While, I will admit this isn't really my style, any new SB who has done her research has read a number of experienced SB's write that this is a must.

The topic of negotiating sugar is well written about and discussed in the SB world. And, we are MUCH more connected than the SD's are. While there aren't lesson on tact, the message does come across that all of the details need to be nailed down before any visits to the fc occur.

Like I said, not my thing, because I do look for more than the allowance but you shouldn't discount a new SB just because of that. She is most likely just doing what she's read.

Mandy[/QUOTE]It's like most negotiations: one party dominates. If a girl does her homework, reads the sb blogs, keeps her wits about her and plays the field, she can find any number of horny old toads who will open their wallets and give her whatever she wants if she just promises to spread her legs. That's probably the reasonable, logical, most cost effective course for an sb to take.

But not for a daddy.

There are so many females available online these days there is no need to get bogged down in protracted negos with any one girl. It makes sense to have three or four (or more) conversations going at all times. If a baby wants to negotiate, just stop responding to her. Often she will come back in a few weeks or even months with a more cooperative attitude. The thing is, the sex is usually better for both parties when the female subordinates herself, as the males of almost all species know and expect.

In the sb-sd relationship, the baby controls the desired object, her vagina. But the daddy should always control the sugar.

It was always thus. Nothing new here, although not pc in Sex Prison these days.

[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1453173]This comment is more for the new SD's out there who might be "lurking" on this thread. I think this suggestion is completely contextual based on the SB you're playing with. For example, you would NEVER get me to do something in a car. Sorry, but it's just a little too trashy to me. Then again, I've only ever played on one first date which means a potential SD wouldn't be wasting money in that respect.

Maybe this is a gross over generalization on my part, but "car action" seems to be something more prevalent with Nando 1's and in that case. Protect everything about yourself.

Just my thoughts for the morning. Hope everyone has a great day![/QUOTE]Ah, but Mandy:

Would you be flirting with a new prospect by swamping his inbox with pix of your pussy and anus with finger on your clit?

I agree the car technique is contextual. In this case, the risk is the girl's a fake and the point is to call her bluff.

I would probably not attempt the car technique alluded to with Grace Kelly or Princess Di, to name a few, but they'd probably not send out a lot of pussy pix either.

Thank you for the advice Literal. I take it very much to heart.

The pictures I posted were from her modeling profile, so they are indeed staged, However she has sent me many many more private shots that I'm 100% are authentic, (because I had put in quite a few requests that she fulfilled). Those shots are just not posted publicly. I'm not worried about her being a fake, but she's certainly got a good chance of being a flake.

Regarding something Mr Hernando wrote the other day:

[Quote=Hernando]If she is a Nando 1 it will be very apparent. The key is the desperate calls for help. Rent's due, car broke, can't afford to fly to her mother's funeral, you know. A Nando 1.[/Quote]This has indeed already started up. There have been 3 dramas since the weekend, with the latest one being that she might not be able to meet me 1/2 way like agreed because her car is at risk of being repossessed. Since she lives 2 hours away, that is going to be a deal breaker for me. Drama & Irresponsibility is very un-sexy to me, and I'm close to just letting this one slip away.

If she can drive to the designated FC by herself I will still give it a shot. We shall see.

Mandy, Due to the graphic nature of our emails, (I have seen her genitals (many times) in higher resolution than I've ever seen my own at this point). I'm not too concerned about doing 'car play', and would rather just not risk the license plate issue. But if that were on my plan of action, it probably would be easy to accomplish. That is way to trashy for you, but I'm not sure anything is too ttrashy for her.

We shall find out how this all ends in a copule of days. Thank you all for your help.

Chi.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1453112]I hope it works out Chiguy. The anticipation is exciting.

My view is that the lady is 50-50 not to show. Why? Well, her communications as you describe them sound more like fantasizing or game-playing than a serious approach. The pix are cute but looked staged to me. There's also a chance she's a pro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1451296]Joe,

For what it's worth, something just smells bad here in my opinion. Let's say for a moment she is not a pro, nor has "done this before." The intensity of the negotiations, at least as you describe them, says to me that she is leading with her bank account first, and this will set the tone for all your future interactions. Ten bucks to hold her hand, twenty to put an arm around her, and so forth. Ok, maybe not [I]that[/I] A la carte, but you get the idea.

Now, what she proposes is in all honesty what you should expect to do anyway, I. E. Meals, drinks, hotel, but the fact that she wanted all that on the table up front just doesn't sit well with me. As I say, she may be totally legit, but you and she are entering into this from different points of view, it seems, and you will ultimately be unhappy, I bet. Add to this the fact that it puts you over your comfort level in terms of sugar, and I just see disappointment ahead for both of you.

If it were me, I'd come back to her and say sorry, but this is what I can manage in terms of sugar, and then let her walk, if she does. As we all can attest, there are plenty of fish in the sea.

Hope you can sort it out, and certainly other brothers may have different opinions.

Enjoy the day,

Scott[/QUOTE]Scott, I'm sorry to say that you were right on target with this one. I ultimately agreed to her sugar request because we weren't that far apart on numbers. I met SB23 at a hotel last evening, and, at least from my perspective, things did not go well. First, she was quite late, all the while knowing that my time was limited. She was apologetic, but this is the fourth time in four M&Gs that she's been significantly late. I was quite annoyed by the time she arrived.

Second, and I think this is where she showed her true colors, our physical interaction was very limited. Now this is not to imply that I was insisting on sex or anything of the sort, but I suggested we meet at a hotel for more private time, and she readily agreed. I thought, without actually saying the words to her, that we were going to have some significant indoor fun.

She was sexy and flirty and funny. We drank wine and talked for a while. She offered and gave me a nice massage, and then I did the same for her. But then it became clear that, because our clothes were still on, it wasn't going to go any farther. I tried a few moves, made a few suggestions, but to no avail.

Finally, and this is where the train came entirely off the track, she said that she was going to have another monthly expense that she might need help with: birth control. She claims she's not had sex in quite a while (not that I believe her now) , and she stopped her BC a while ago. Here's the thing: I appreciate her caution, as everyone knows that condoms alone are not foolproof, and two methods of protection are better than one. But anyone who knows anything about BC knows that it is not effective right from the start. You need to go through a few months' worth of pills in order to be fully protected.

I was stunned. Not only was she suggesting that I pay for her pills, but it is possible that she expects me to keep providing sugar without receiving anything physical in return.

Needless to say, I'm not happy at all about any of this. It appears Scott was right on with his a la carte analogy. Because I've prepaid for a half-month's worth of fun, I'll go on another M&G, but part of me wonders why I'd even waste my time. She's nice, and she's very attractive, but it really feels like I'm being taken for a ride.

Unless something drastic happens on the next M&G, I'm done with this one. I've learned a lesson here. Good thing I still have a couple of other lines in the water.

Well, Brothers, I am working through to get more experience with SBs. Working with 2. Here is Case. 1.

SB1: Attractive but want to take it very slow. Will not come to hotel. But enjoying time with me (dinner, drinks and surface level romance). Wanted to spend night but declined. After 3 meets, she wanted full sugar which I am hesitant to give. She was little frustrated but same here. I made it clear. But will see.

SB2: She is 28 yr old, was very clear. In matter of few emails, she sent pics and then ready to have fun. Met at lunch and then went to hotel for quick fun. She is beauty but I have qn. Sugar was little lower than SB1. She said she works in some political office but doesn't get paid. Now, one thing. Was interesting, she doesn't wear any panties (believes free world) and yesterday made comment about night club and will have to be there until 1 AM. Is she a GC-dancer? Made me curious now. She is beauty though. Both the SBs are tall that I like. I like SB2 be'because of her nice shape compared to SB1 which is only good face.

Anyway, SB2 was too quick and very reasonable on sugar and easy to deal. SB1: difficult and high sugar demand. Confused on both! Well. My first time. So still trying to figure this out. But yes, had amazing experience with SB2.

[QUOTE=Chiguy606; 1453197]We shall find out how this all ends in a copule of days. Thank you all for your help.

Chi.[/QUOTE]May the Force be with you Chi.

If you get her into the room, the panties should hit the floor regardless (although not always, see previous posts today). I just hope you don't get stuck paying for the room with no girl in it.

"Not only was she suggesting that I pay for her pills"

Sounds like she has you confused with the US Federal Goverment. Was her name 'Fluke'? LOL

Sorry about the sugar busts ChiGuy and Joe. So it goes in the sugar world.

" Because I've prepaid for a half-month's worth of fun, I'll go on another M&G, but part of me wonders why I'd even waste my time. She's nice, and she's very attractive, but it really feels like I'm being taken for a ride."

I had a stripper "sb" a while back and while she was rather emotionally flat I thought she had good potential for a regular. SHe was a classic Nando 1 and I took a flyer on her before I formulated my SB designation. She was pregnant when I met her and needed $$ to take care of things. She also had some minor Gyn surgery and couldn't have sex for a month. I had sampled the wares on a PTP basis a couple of times so I knew what I was getting into literally. You all see where this is going. I fronted her the $$$ with the idea of paying it forward. Well she hemmed and hawed and kept delaying the return to the FC complaining about medical issues. I know enough about these things to know she was playing that hand waaaay longer than it needed to be. I finally became insistant and got her to agree to enter the fc for a very lackluster performance. No good deed goes unpunished and shortly after that she ended our unrepaid agreement. What recourse do we have? Not one unless you are a lowlife and prone to violent enforcement techniques. So I walked with my ego bruised and my wallet a little lighter.

And I finally learned the big lesson. Stay away from Nando 1 s!

[QUOTE=G George; 1453246]Well, Brothers, I am working through to get more experience with SBs. Working with 2. Here is Case. 1.

SB1: Attractive but want to take it very slow. Will not come to hotel. But enjoying time with me (dinner, drinks and surface level romance). Wanted to spend night but declined. After 3 meets, she wanted full sugar which I am hesitant to give. She was little frustrated but same here. I made it clear. But will see.

SB2: She is 28 yr old, was very clear. In matter of few emails, she sent pics and then ready to have fun. Met at lunch and then went to hotel for quick fun. She is beauty but I have qn. Sugar was little lower than SB1. She said she works in some political office but doesn't get paid. Now, one thing. Was interesting, she doesn't wear any panties (believes free world) and yesterday made comment about night club and will have to be there until 1 AM. Is she a GC-dancer? Made me curious now. She is beauty though. Both the SBs are tall that I like. I like SB2 be'because of her nice shape compared to SB1 which is only good face.

Anyway, SB2 was too quick and very reasonable on sugar and easy to deal. SB1: difficult and high sugar demand. Confused on both! Well. My first time. So still trying to figure this out. But yes, had amazing experience with SB2.[/QUOTE]George,

Re sb 1: just invite her to meet you in a hotel room. That's it. Either she will agree or she won't. If she does, fuck her. If she doesn't agree, just move on.

Re sb 2. Sounds like you have already fucked her. Is that right? If so, why do you care if she's a dancer? Did you enjoy fucking her? If not, forget her. If you did, do it again.

Just my views.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1453643]George,

Re sb 1: just invite her to meet you in a hotel room. That's it. Either she will agree or she won't. If she does, fuck her. If she doesn't agree, just move on.

Re sb 2. Sounds like you have already fucked her. Is that right? If so, why do you care if she's a dancer? Did you enjoy fucking her? If not, forget her. If you did, do it again.

Just my views.[/QUOTE]Well, on SB2, didn't know what to expect. So only Oral as didn't take hat with me. So she wants to meet tomorrow. Let's see what happens. My only challenge is both of them. Have to drive 2 hours! I like your advise on SB1. I am going to follow it!

Nice work on SB2 George. If she's fun and affordable, sounds like a potential ATF candidate.

These, my friend, are sage words of wisdom. You would be wise to take heed:

[QUOTE=Literal2;1453643]Re sb 1: just invite her to meet you in a hotel room. That's it. Either she will agree or she won't. If she does, fuck her. If she doesn't agree, just move on.[/QUOTE]SB1 should be cognizant of the fact that upon entering the FC, there is a 100% expectation of semen extraction, and panties placed on the rug.

One need not have to specifically chronicle the desire for a semen extraction procedure to be performed. It should be implied by even the most novice of SB upon receipt of the invitation to meet at the FC.

Good luck in your endeavors!

Gentlemen,

During my morning coffee today, I gingerly opened up the top secret email alias which I keep hidden from the warden. I was eager to see the state of Nando1's genitals, preferably in 10megapixels. Unfortunately I was greeted not by labia, but by more Drama!

This time pleas for cash advances sent by 'Moneygram' in advance of our suaret which is still scheduled to commence this coming Friday. The pleas were almost demands, that they should be sent online using my personal credit card so that reciept of the funds could be procured within minutes. On top of this, she still has not commited to being able to make the journey to the FC (due to the bank threatening to reposess her car, she claims). This is prototypical Nando1 behavior. The entire situation has become very tiresome for me and the attaction is now fading fast. I suggested to her that this may not be the best time for her to start up SD / SB relationship, and that maybe we should postpone until she can get her life straight. But of course she is going to disagree due to both her demands for immediate funding, as well the presumed inability to straighten up her life now or in the future!

C'est la vie.

In the meantime, I have opened a new account, my first, on the SA website, on the ravings from Mr Scott on both the quantity and quality in our shared area. I was suprised to see how right he is! My lines are now in the water, and a steady stream of bites are inbound, some quite tantilizing! It should be a simple task to strike gold here, provided I steer my bow well away from Nando1's (which are in abundance, and I still find myself strangely attracted to ).

My only hesitation is that I feel I am now fishing directly in Mr Scott's waters. Hopefully there is room for both of us to swim Mr Scottie.

Good luck and safe babysitting to you all.

Chi.

[QUOTE=Chiguy606;1453197]This has indeed already started up. There have been 3 dramas since the weekend, with the latest one being that she might not be able to meet me 1/2 way like agreed because her car is at risk of being repossessed. Since she lives 2 hours away, that is going to be a deal breaker for me. Drama & Irresponsibility is very un-sexy to me, and I'm close to just letting this one slip away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chiguy606; 1453759]*Unfortunately I was greeted not by labia, but by more Drama!

This time pleas for cash advances sent by 'Moneygram' in advance of our suaret which is still scheduled to commence this coming Friday. The pleas were almost demands, that they should be sent online using my personal credit card so that reciept of the funds could be procured within minutes. On top of this, she still has not commited to being able to make the journey to the FC (due to the bank threatening to reposess her car, she claims). This is prototypical Nando1 behavior. The entire situation has become very tiresome for me and the attaction is now fading fast. I suggested to her that this may not be the best time for her to start up SD / SB relationship, and that maybe we should postpone until she can get her life straight. But of course she is going to disagree due to both her demands for immediate funding, as well the presumed inability to straighten up her life now or in the future!

Chi.[/QUOTE]This is bad news. You risk major complications and frustrations with this woman, in my opinion. I think you should burn her off and start building your SA portfolio.

Met some one online and chatted via text and email. Finally set up the meet and was supposed to have this nice dinner in the Slip. Dinner time comes and she doesn't show. I text and nothing, so I finally give her a call. This is where it gets weird, and now I am spooked and getting ready to call the cops.

She says she is going to tell me the truth because I seem like a really nice guy. She says she is working for a woman in Richmond who has several girls on the dating sites.

I fish in the Richmond pond, any further info on this situation? I have searched but can't find anything and would appreciate a link or other info on this SA profile to avoid.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Literal2;1453877]This is bad news. You risk major complications and frustrations with this woman, in my opinion. I think you should burn her off and start building your SA portfolio.[/QUOTE]Chi, I agree with Lit here. Tell her in no uncertain terms that you cannot see her, and you are no longer interested in seeing her in the future. End of story, no explanation required.

She reminds me of my first foray into the SB pool. The girl texted me the morning of our M&G asking for 2k to stave off eviction. Told her I couldn't help, blocked her number, and haven't looked back. You need to do the same, or your life will be one huge headache.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1453331]I had a stripper "sb" a while back and while she was rather emotionally flat I thought she had good potential for a regular. SHe was a classic Nando 1 and I took a flyer on her before I formulated my SB designation***I finally became insistant and got her to agree to enter the fc for a very lackluster performance*** shortly after that she ended our unrepaid agreement. *** And I finally learned the big lesson. Stay away from Nando 1 s![/QUOTE]I realize you have been developing your classification scheme for some time and I don't mean to oversimplify but I consider this to be an operational definition: [I]"Nando 1 type girls * are desperately poor, substance addicted, and frequently active or semi pros who have often done time."[/I]

I completely agree we should all stay away from these unhappy folks. In my experience, though, this definition fits the WSW and BSW model more commonly than the SB. Of course SWs are for sure pros, and SBs try not to be, or try not to appear to be. Most of the SBs I've sought out and met have been in need of sugar, and some of them desperately. I've never encountered a substance addicted SB (well, two were alcoholics) or one who has been incarcerated (to my knowledge). I see SBs as in transition, usually having greater than short term goals, and determined to keep a non-pro identity while temporarily supplementing their income with pops of sugar from SDs until they can achieve those goals.

Poverty, or relative poverty anyway, is for sure a major motivation for most SBs. So while I would agree that we should stay away from Nando 1's (as defined above) , I think economic disparity between SD and SB is a necessary element in our equation for SD success. Put another way, I wouldn't disqualify an SB candidate simply because she needs money. Young mothers who need money to pay the rent and who are determined never to become pro are prime targets. As are young college students and graduates burdened with student loan debt. In most cases, I believe, these girls have a choice. They can take low paying menial jobs and work their asses off, or they can find an SD and swap access to their vagina for some sugar and good times. In my personal moral code, while I think choosing to be an SB might not be the best for her character development, I don't feel we are taking advantage of the girl by giving her what she wants in exchange for what we want. Being an SD is probably not all that good for character development either, but that's human weakness for you.

As to strippers. I find them much more likely to be true Nando 1's. They are often hard as nails, turning away propositions for intercourse multiple times each working hour, and good ones make so much sugar from the tease that they have no need to turn tricks. You can drop $300 on an artful stripper as fast as you can on a hooker, and you often hear mongers muttering on the way out of the VIP "Damn, I could have hired an escort for a lot less than that."

But the life of a stripper is hard and it comes through in her relationships. I've had some beautiful sessions with strippers (not Nando 1's though) but they were all desperate to get out of The Life. Not so with SBs, many of whom seem to view being an SB as a kind of lark and basically meaningless while they are waiting for something else they are confident will come along before too long.

I'm overgeneralizing, I know, and I'm sure others have different experiences.

I called them the sportsters meaning many were in the biz for fun or extra cash. Lit is right, it's very difficult to categorize everybody but what seems to have stuck as a desperada with nothing to lose is a Nando 1. I think of Nando 3s as true SBs who are looking to supplement their lifestyle, even pay the rent, without being so close to the edge that a flat tire will send them to their SD calling for money on a regular basis.

I spend the max amount of Sugar budget on my current HCB ATF and a call for a significant amount of unscheduled $$$ would create a little stress. Therefore I don't want my SB calling for Sugar. She gets enough as it is. And she has never asked for anything. I love that about her and I give her more and more as I am able. If I weren't married I'd give her more than she could make as a practicing attorney. Maybe she will give me sugar someday when she passes the bar and gets a grownup job.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1454218]Maybe she will give me sugar someday when she passes the bar and gets a grownup job.[/QUOTE]We can all dream, can't we? I'm all seriousness, you will be a deity in my book if you ever pull this off.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1454218]I spend the max amount of Sugar budget on my current HCB ATF and a call for a significant amount of unscheduled $$$ would create a little stress. Therefore I don't want my SB calling for Sugar. She gets enough as it is. And she has never asked for anything. I love that about her and I give her more and more as I am able. If I weren't married I'd give her more than she could make as a practicing attorney. Maybe she will give me sugar someday when she passes the bar and gets a grownup job.[/QUOTE]You have always brought an element of romance to this thread. I hope you keep it up. You seem to me to have ideals for your baby of the kind I usually associate with a respectable French businessman's feelings for his mistress.

I have had my run of uncaring unfeeling Hos and while the orgasm is always good there is an empty feeling at the end of it all. Romance, albeit a fantasy gives sugar life that extra pop and makes me enjoy holding my SB all night instead of beating a hasty retreat as soon as the bell is rung.

It is a rare thing in the sugar world and certainly not for everyone.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1454300]I have had my run of uncaring unfeeling Hos and while the orgasm is always good there is an empty feeling at the end of it all. Romance, albeit a fantasy gives sugar life that extra pop and makes me enjoy holding my SB all night instead of beating a hasty retreat as soon as the bell is rung.

It is a rare thing in the sugar world and certainly not for everyone.[/QUOTE]I can understand that. As you say, it's not for everyone.

[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ; 1453941]Met some one online and chatted via text and email. Finally set up the meet and was supposed to have this nice dinner in the Slip. Dinner time comes and she doesn't show. I text and nothing, so I finally give her a call. This is where it gets weird, and now I am spooked and getting ready to call the cops.

She says she is going to tell me the truth because I seem like a really nice guy. She says she is working for a woman in Richmond who has several girls on the dating sites.

I fish in the Richmond pond, any further info on this situation? I have searched but can't find anything and would appreciate a link or other info on this SA profile to avoid.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I don't know what to say about this. Call the cops? Link to an SA profile?

Maybe the best course would be to notify your dating agency that somebody seems to be using it for illegal purposes.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1453877]This is bad news. You risk major complications and frustrations with this woman, in my opinion. I think you should burn her off and start building your SA portfolio.[/QUOTE]Indeed. I canceled the reservation for the FC, and am building up quite an email list from SA. It looks I may be having a cocktail this Friday with an adorable 22 year old art school baby who is studying not far from my office downtown. It's been a LONG time since I have had fun with someone that young, and certainly am looking forward to it. I cannot get away all night, so this will only be a M&G, but it will be interesting to see how it progresses.

My 1st impression was correct with the other 'Lady', and I thank you all for helping me to confirm.

Chi

There are a few things that have gone by today that I wanted to comment on.

Literal - I don't think the need for Money makes someone a Nando 1. Using myself as an example, I'm the furthest thing from it but being in an expensive graduate program has certainly created said need for me. Memories allowance pays my rent while The Doctor provides for all of my "extras" (exercise studio membership, nails, hair etc.) Ok, so maybe The Doctors allowance isn't a need as much as a want but it is needed with Memories. I do like Nando's follow-up explanation that they are a "desperada with nothing to lose." Even I know how to spot them from a mile away and that you should steer far far away from them.

Chicago - Please take mine and our brother's advice, run fast and don't look back! The crises need money before we meet translates to let me take your money and not meet you. She's not an SB she's a scam artist and darling you seem smarter than that one.

George - Your SB2 sounds like a decent thing, play it out for a bit and see where it goes. And SB1 should NOT be asking for full sugar before you've even set-up a meeting in the "fc" as you all refer to it. She needs to go bub bye.

Now my dear Scott - So sorry to hear about your ATF. I know you've thought this might be happening for a while. Have fun down south and when you get back home I will be deeply offended if a chicago area get together for drinks is organized and I don't get an invite. Just sayin.

Oh! And for an update on a nice surprise last night. Memories took me shoe shopping! His dance lesson was very early in the afternoon and I was unable to get into the city at that time so I just met him at the hotel bar first. When we went up to the room to drop my bag off it was clear he wanted to play around first before heading out to dinner, so I obliged. (I guess he really did miss me last week!) Anyways, afterwards he goes, "I want to take you shopping and I'm thinking it should be for shoes." We dressed went shopping and then to dinner. The thing is I hate shoe shopping (I know don't you all have a hart attack at once) and since moving here I haven't bought any new heels as I walk everywhere and that requires flats. He knows this and it's why shoes are what came to mind. I picked out two beige pair perfect for summer. For those of you curious, yes, this was a gift on top of my regular allowance. And since I know this has been talked about recently, I'll say that Memories has always given me the full allowance up front. He volunteered that in the begining which surprised me and I certainly wasn't going to object to it. I do think that splitting it into two gifts throughout the month is more than permissible though.

As always, just my thoughts.

Time to head to spin class,

Mandy

Well after the doldrums of no company the last few weeks things are looking up. Earlier in the week SB1 resurfaced at least to explain her disappearance. I had mixed emotions with reconnecting even just via email and phone but felt like a heel if ignored her. Restarted the dialog and realize that deep down I just really enjoy her company. So it's strictly friendship at this point but at least it's cordial and entertaining.

Now on to the new SB3. Had interviewed her back in February but put her on ice for SB1. Thought she was a little flaky and uptight, and she was until the clothes came off! After that good times. Mid 30's single Mom but has a job and a life so much more stable. Still not the huge connection of SB1 but we will see. Hopefully now that the ice is broken we can get into a groove.

Along with that over a half a dozen hits via SA in a relatively small town. Looks like it will be an interesting summer. Trying to sort through it now. Thanks to all for the inspiration!

[QUOTE=Bondo500;1454549]Along with that over a half a dozen hits via SA in a relatively small town. Looks like it will be an interesting summer. Trying to sort through it now. Thanks to all for the inspiration![/QUOTE]Sounds like a Summer of Love coming up. This will be fun.

Even though I had an SB a few years ago, she was part family friend (dangerous I know. Luckily she moved away!) , all expenses were things like gas fill-ups so on CC and did not get detected. I do not have the deep pockets to support a local SB, and also it can be dangerous as one can get attached.

However, I had saved up some sugar to have some fun on my business trip last week. I travel there 4-5 times a year, and I think I have a methodology that for anybody else that travels can use.

First you need to have an SA account that has been running 3-4 months. I have created several, not paid for them, but have them set-up to use as needed.

Next. 3 weeks away from a trip, you join and pay the monthly fee, and then send messages to anybody in the area you are travelling that interests you, letting them know that you are an SD that is established, but is travelling to their area and staying for a whole week in 2-3 weeks time.

Any that respond, try to get them to E-mail you so you can contact them outside SA.

Again, do another search 2-3 days BEFORE you leave on travel. Look for all the NEW SB accounts in that area. Out of the 3 girls I got into the FC during my trip. 2 of these were "NEW" to the SB scene. At this time you also re-acquaint yourselves with all the others that you have had contact with, reminding them that you arrive in a couple of days.

As you arrive, you again cast the net and see who is really interested. I cast myself as an SD, who had not had an SB for years, but who was travelling, bored in the evenings, and was after dinner, drinks, good conversation, and if good chemistry, some hotel room fun. I was honest as to what I expected.

If I had anybody ask me about sugar, I simply said I was uncomfortably talking about sugar, as that would make them a prostitute, and I did not date prostitutes! I found this would get rid of the UTR hookers, and make the girls who were new to this and were trying NOT to feel they were prostituting themselves to hang around. I said I was generous, and if they were unhappy, they would not see me on another trip.

NOW TO THE JUICY STUFF. 3 GIRLS in the FC in 36 HOURS! ALL CUTE! ALL 24-26!

We'll call the Travelling SBs. TSBs.

TSB1: VERY cute 24 year old. Had a kid very young (16) and then another with the same Father 2 years ago, but it had all now gone wrong. VERY well toned body, small and a little shrunk titties, but with sensitive nipples. She was VERY nervous, almost turned around in the car, but my phone call (the first) with my reassuring professional voice got her there. We had drinks and nibbles in my room, then decided that she was very horny and we ended up in the sack for several hours. 2 pops. She was humming the whole time, and squirted during DATY. We were both hungry afterwards, and went for dinner and drinks. She left very happy, $$ plus dinner was the cost.

TSB2: cute, she described herself as athletic, but I would have said some extra pounds! However great personality. She also was incredibly nervous, but soon relaxed with me. Again she ended up in bed for a great fuck BEFORE we went out for dinner, then back for a second and a third round before she went asleep on my bed! I ended up waking her up around 10pm. I knew she had to get some school papers to a friend, however if I had offered, I am sure she would have slept the night. This would have been great except I had TSB3 arriving at 8am the next morning for breakfast and sex in bed! $$ cost.

TSB3: slim, confident SB. She had had 2-3 SDs over the last year, all local and I got the impression she only had one at a time for 2-3 months each. She was obviously desperate for cash, and was one of the original contact from 3 weeks prior to the trip, and who contacted me for the first time while I was there! I could tell she was desperate, which was why I said I was really booked up with meetings, and the only thing I could offer to help out was breakfast in bed if she was interested. I also only had $.5, to which she said she could not do it. I said :OK, just trying to help out". An hour later she messaged me back that she would love to come if I would fill her small car with gas as well. DEAL! She was VERY hot, cute, a little country (I was in the "South" but VERY much a nympho. We had a great hour in bed. Two pops and she came herself and was totally out of breath with both. First was MISH so I could control it, second was CG and my god did she ride me!

Follow-up is that I now have 3 girls who will take my E-mails on my next trip. All say they would love to see me again (so the sugar must have been about right for the area). One even has a friend who had a bad SB / SD experience, that would like to meet me. Of course I will also still spread the net to any new SBs on SA when I go there, but now I have some regulars in a area where Backpage is pitiful, and almost impossible to find ANY girls. I will add, that I paid the $ according to if I wanted to see them again. My conscience would not let me go below $.5 I think, but I felt for he area, $$ was about right, would make them happy, and want to see me again. I think I got it right. Different areas will of course dictate differently.

Overall. 7 fucks, some fantastic BBBJ, DFK, loads of DATY and general FC and REAL GFE fun. Damage around 6$. Thank god for little pills! Amen.

Guy Out.

The classification is all along a spectrum of course. We can agree that Nando 1's are on one extreme and at the other extreme I guess is the BVM (Nando 10, perhaps).

Nando 3's as sportsters is an appropriate grade. If the lady is not desperate but likes gifts from time to time and she's the kind you want to be with all night and to provide romance and content to your life after sex, possibly even slipping you a Benjamin or two when she is up and you are down, that's fine. Sounds like a serious, loving relationship. There would naturally be a risk of involvement leading to potential emotional disruption in the spousal household, and certainly the risk of blackmail would seem to be present. John Edwards may have had such a relationship (although with third party funding) plus that guy whatsisname who covered his trips from Georgia to Argentina to see his soulmate with claims he was on the Appalachian Trail.

As I said, the truly honked out desperadas with drug and jail time problems are often found as SWs. Chi's vulva snap faxing babe doesn't seem like a Nando 1 to me. I doubt her bank account is zero. Rather, I think she's a would be porn star with a niche marketing strategy. She was likely a fraudster to the extent she promised sex, like the babes you find on the sites who want you to send them travel money so they can come see you from Newfoundland or some other unlikely place. If she casts a wide enough net she will find a mark.

I've had a few desperate SBs. They weren't my favorites but I think they probably fit Nando's definition. One was a young blonde with a baby in a home where the utilities had been turned off. She was broke, broke, broke. I agreed to meet her at a store close to her house. She probably saw my license plate but unless she had a great memory she wouldn't remember it and didn't have time to write it down. We walked a few blocks to her house. Inside, we kissed and I fondled her. We moved to her bed and I slowly stripped her and kissed her body. I took off her panties and knelt between her legs, forcing them apart and put my thumbs on each side of her vulva and opened her up a bit. I bent down to get a taste of her when she said,"I'm not going to do full service. I can give you a blowjob."

I stood up and walked out, leaving a full dose of sugar on her counter as I left. All I said was,"My mistake. I thought we were going to be intimate. You can keep the money, pay your utility bills."

A few days later she sent me a message that she was so sorry, she was wrong. She would be thrilled to have a complete relationship and would I please return and "make love" to her. I had some other things to do and some other SBs to fuck but after a couple weeks I went back to her house, parking the car several blocks away and walking to her house. She was glad to see me. She said she was nervous and so she was a little drunk (at 2PM). The utilities were still off. But she was young and slim and smelled like vanilla (I know, I know). The fucking was good. I gave her some more sugar and never saw her again although she sent me several follow ups. She said she was 23.

One of my older SBs was also desperate. She was nearing 40 and ridiculous in the preliminaries, wanting a commitment of 2K per month before I even met her. She said she would give me as much sex as I wanted whenever I wanted but, ah, could I quickly send her 1K in advance to fix her car? No way, I said. I stopped corresponding with her. After six weeks I asked how she was doing. She said she'd like to meet me in a neutral place immediately. I said how about my hotel? She said I'll meet you in the lobby. I knew from her pix that she was pretty and had large breasts. I agreed to meet her twice over a four day period. When she arrived, we skipped the lobby meet and she came right to my room. Funny and sexy, very skilled with her mouth and hands, she was a really great fuck. She was a divorced suburban housewife trying to keep up a standard of living that had become impossible to her. After the second session I told her I was leaving town and she was wistful but not mad. A few weeks later I got a desperate plea for sugar because she and her kid had been thrown out of her friend's house because of her catting around with strange men. I told her no can do and gave her the number of a shelter. She was furious and I haven't been in contact with her since.

I have no disagreement with anything that's been said about desperadas. It just a matter of whether you can contain the drama and are satisfied with the brief sexual encounters. For the record, I would never, ever touch a SW. But an SB desperada? They've been ok for me.

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson; 1454735]Overall. 7 fucks, some fantastic BBBJ, DFK, loads of DATY and general FC and REAL GFE fun. Damage around 6$. Thank god for little pills! Amen.

Guy Out.[/QUOTE]This is a great post. You have distilled some of the best suggestions from the thread, added your own innovations, and accomplished what most of us long for. Multiple new babes to choose from, all willing to cum with you, all at a reasonable cost. Can't do much better than this inmo. Thanks for showing us how it's done!

You sir are an inspiration to us all.

Well done to you. Well done indeed!

Well done, Guy, and thanks for the tips for playing the SB game while on the road. I don't travel as much as I used to, but I'll be sure to make use of these excellent suggestions next time I'm out of town.

After a couple of recent strike-outs chronicled in my earlier posts, I'm happy to report that my ATF is back in town, and everything is right with the world again. She let me know a few days ago she was back for a few days and asked if I wanted to get together. Um, yes! I only had a few hours to spare yesterday, so we met at a nice hotel and got right to the fun. We enjoyed a drink, spent some quality time together, and fell asleep in each others' arms. I'm lucky I woke up before I had to leave.

I told her she could keep the room last night and tonight rather than stay with family, and she was very appreciative. We're getting together again tonight for her to thank me for my generosity. It's nice to be back with someone who genuinely enjoys seeing me, doesn't demand sugar, and isn't really prone to crises.

I also had a heart-to-heart with SB23, the girl who accepted last week's invitation to the FC but then had the gall to (1) suggest I pay for her birth control, and (2) didn't deliver any party favors. She apologized for being unprepared (though she didn't really offer any explanation) and promised to do better next week. I don't really have much to lose by meeting again, as I've already prepaid for half a month. We'll see.

Keep up the good work, friends. Mandy, Scott, and Chi, if there's ever a friendly excursion scheduled for you Chicago folks, let me know. I'm close enough I'd love to drive into the city if I have enough notice.

[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1454349]George. Your SB2 sounds like a decent thing, play it out for a bit and see where it goes. And SB1 should NOT be asking for full sugar before you've even set-up a meeting in the "fc" as you all refer to it. She needs to go bub bye.

Mandy[/QUOTE]Mandy: Yes, I had a great 3 hour fun with SB2. Time spent well for both and we both were happy. What a great experience to start my journey. Well on SB1: I suddenly getting the green signal to have overnight with me. Also, the demand for Sugar is there. Initially for full but after talking to her, she was ok to split the monthly into 2. Now qn is. What is this means. I may just take a leap at SB1 and see what happens. Will keep you posted. But right now. I am also in dilemma of $$budget and can I manage 2 if everyting goes well.

Will keep you posted. Nice to see all the activities here! I enjoy reading it and look forward to more.

I had a vasectomy years ago, and would recommend to all. Prevents even the hint of a problem. And you can tell her she does not need it with you.

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1454866]I also had a heart-to-heart with SB23, the girl who accepted last week's invitation to the FC but then had the gall to (1) suggest I pay for her birth control, and (2) didn't deliver any party favors.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;1454928]I had a vasectomy years ago, and would recommend to all. Prevents even the hint of a problem. And you can tell her she does not need it with you.[/QUOTE]I wish I were at a point in my life where this were possible, but, alas, I'm not there yet.

Brethren,

I hope by now you al have plans for the upcoming weekend. I seem to have rebounded from my close encounter with the desperada kind and am now fully invested into my SA account. I cast my net far and wide, and had quite a few misses and 'one reply' encounters. But also quite a few hits as well! Tomorrow after work I am scheduled to accompany an adorable art school coed to a swanky coctail lounge downtown for a few burbon infused beverages. Due to obligations related to my incarceration, I will be unable to arrange any type of fc arrangement. So this will simply be a meet and greet. To be perfectly honest, after my last experience, I am VERY much looking forward to an innocent flirtatious encounter with a self sustaining, cute, responsible potential baby whom I have not yet seen high resolution images of her genetalia. No matter what the outcome, it will be a fun evening.

For those keeping track at home, I still have yet to break my SD cherry and actually accompany a SB into the FC. That my friends is about to change.

Many emails and photos were exchanged today with a (to use a parlance of our times) 'Bangin' 26 year old Latina party girl with a 'kickin bod' and a 'phat booty'. She would like to meet for a drink this weekend, and my suggestion of "I know this really nice and quiet bar inside the so & so hotel" was met with "Sounds great!". I feel that the odds may indeed be in my favor.

Also on deck is a 34 year old divorced MILF / struggling student. She is receptive to a meet at some point yet we have not yet been able to sync schedules. She is nota sure thing by any means but that makes it all the more fun.

Life has certainly become much more interesting in the past few weeks, and I am very grateful for finding this forum.

Here is hoping you all get your 'feet' wet this weekend!

Chi