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[QUOTE=Simonpieman;2174951][URL]http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/wright-patt-officer-csu-professor-arrested-sex-sti/ngtcf/[/URL][/QUOTE]Has to make you wonder how many on craigs list are, cops, queers, or spam, LOL This will surely kill all of those using craigs list. I have noticed the SW are arriving in vehicles and not hanging in the area too long. I don't have a hard time finding them anymore, they find me Eveytime I drive down the st at least two will yell and tell me to pull over, always diff ones, I haven't seen in awhile. I usually don't. I'm like most, I like variety and have enough of the ones from the past to stay safe and away from being trapped in a sting.

If you contact anyone from CL require a voice verification, I'm sure the LEO's will get wise, but most of the time, they are male and won't make the call, tells you something there, they are gay males or LEO's.

Have fun play safe.

CN.

The reality is, for the most part any girl will rat you out or set you up if she's under enough pressure. In other words, she got busted for something relatively serious, and the cops say either you do stings for us or we are going to A, take away your kids or be, put your sorry ass in stir for a while and take away your kids too. That is the reality. Therefore, I won't go to a girls apartment or house unless she has been vouched for in the last couple days by a trusted monger. Its way to easy for the man to set up all the audio and video they need. Nor will I take a girl to my house or get an incall Because its too easy for a girl to set me up for a robbery. All it takes is one bad apple out of a hundred and I'm in the soup.

The best thing is to get a room of your own, one that hasn't been bugged by the gestapo. No way to get audio or video, and if a girl refuses to go to your room, well then we have a real good idea of what's up, don't we. By the way, we're going to my room to have a few drinks and watch the tube. Sex? Who mentioned that? See, she knows what she's selling. You know what you want to buy. If a girl demands to discuss stuff like price and activity before you are rolling in your car, then you best start looking for a wire, bud.

Cheech.

A friend of mine goes to AMPs and strips down completely. Then he proceeds with roaming hands during the massage. He never solicits. Could he be arrested?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Simonpieman;2174951][URL]http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/wright-patt-officer-csu-professor-arrested-sex-sti/ngtcf/[/URL][/QUOTE]Like I stated above I am not surprised by this, but read the two quotes below. The first said that the under cover operations were to arrest people after they agreed to a sex act for. Money.

Then in the second one they stated that the person arrested said lets get naked and see what happens. He then must have figured it out and took the money and left. They later issed him a summons for arrest.

From what the article states he never agreed to a sex act in exchange for mone. I try to refer to money for time, and even if they ask when I get there what I want to do I never say anything specific, basically the same lets just see what happens. Do they have a case here? I am assuming its the normal maybe it won't stick but they can still charge anyone with just about anything. It still gets your name smeared publically doesn't really matter if it sticks or not. Let me know your perspective regarding this. Thanks.

"The newspaper observed officers work undercover for three days as detectives used online ads to offer "body rubs" in exchange for donations. Those responding met the girls at an apartment staged for the operation and agreed to a sex act for money prior to their arrest. Officers arrested 15 men from that. ".

"John Manes, 55, wore a "Better Business Bureau" polo and allegedly sought a "lunch-time special. " He told the undercover officer he wanted to spend an hour with her, placing $100 on the table. When the officer asked him what he wanted to do, he said, "let's get undressed and see what happens. ".

He later stated, "I'm just going to go. This just doesn't seem right," grabbing the money and leaving the apartment. Detectives later issued a summons for his arrest for soliciting a prostitute. ".

[QUOTE=Charger1;2175478]Like I stated above I am not surprised by this, but read the two quotes below. The first said that the under cover operations were to arrest people after they agreed to a sex act for. Money.

Then in the second one they stated that the person arrested said lets get naked and see what happens. He then must have figured it out and took the money and left. They later issed him a summons for arrest.

From what the article states he never agreed to a sex act in exchange for mone. I try to refer to money for time, and even if they ask when I get there what I want to do I never say anything specific, basically the same lets just see what happens. Do they have a case here? I am assuming its the normal maybe it won't stick but they can still charge anyone with just about anything. It still gets your name smeared publically doesn't really matter if it sticks or not. Let me know your perspective regarding this. Thanks.

"The newspaper observed officers work undercover for three days as detectives used online ads to offer "body rubs" in exchange for donations. Those responding met the girls at an apartment staged for the operation and agreed to a sex act for money prior to their arrest. Officers arrested 15 men from that. ".

"John Manes, 55, wore a "Better Business Bureau" polo and allegedly sought a "lunch-time special. " He told the undercover officer he wanted to spend an hour with her, placing $100 on the table. When the officer asked him what he wanted to do, he said, "let's get undressed and see what happens. ".

He later stated, "I'm just going to go. This just doesn't seem right," grabbing the money and leaving the apartment. Detectives later issued a summons for his arrest for soliciting a prostitute. ".[/QUOTE]You have to remember that 90% of what they want is to publicly embarrass you so that you just cave to the charges and pay the fine. They don't want anyone to take it to trial and have to prove every element of the crime. The problem is that the people who get popped usually don't have the wherewithal to fight and pay an attorney, or they can't stand the publicity, or both. What has to happen is that someone has to fight and win, then sue everyone he can for violations of his civil rights, malfeasance, misfeasance, and whatever he can come up with. One of the big problems with this is trying to find a lawyer with the balls to sue the cops.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=MassageIt;2175402]A friend of mine goes to AMPs and strips down completely. Then he proceeds with roaming hands during the massage. He never solicits. Could he be arrested?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If the masseuse is a police officer and he offers her money for a sex act then he can be arrested. Or, if the masseuse perceives the roaming hands as aggressive behavior, then he probably could be arrested for assault, but she would have to call the police and risk losing her tip, as well as likely being fired by Mamasan.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2175478]Like I stated above I am not surprised by this, but read the two quotes below. The first said that the under cover operations were to arrest people after they agreed to a sex act for. Money.

Then in the second one they stated that the person arrested said lets get naked and see what happens. He then must have figured it out and took the money and left. They later issed him a summons for arrest.

From what the article states he never agreed to a sex act in exchange for mone. I try to refer to money for time, and even if they ask when I get there what I want to do I never say anything specific, basically the same lets just see what happens. Do they have a case here? I am assuming its the normal maybe it won't stick but they can still charge anyone with just about anything. It still gets your name smeared publically doesn't really matter if it sticks or not. Let me know your perspective regarding this. Thanks.
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.[/QUOTE]It was interesting that the guy was not arrested on the spot, but issued a summons later. The detectives may have gone back and listens to his recorded phone conversations. At some point, he may have mentioned a sex act code word such as "full service". Just a thought.

[QUOTE=MassageIt;2175402]A friend of mine goes to AMPs and strips down completely. Then he proceeds with roaming hands during the massage. He never solicits. Could he be arrested?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, arrested in OH. ORC 2907 (A) (1) [URL]http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.09[/URL] It is unlawful to expose one's private parts, pet ORC, considered indecency; M4. Of course someone will say in a massage parlor is not in public but IF the massuese (or Officer who is under cov) takes offense to your action, and they surely would if it is a sting, then you might as well be poundin your pud on 4th & Vine. Same outcome.

Might be safer to far more discreet at the overture. But bottom line is if he or anyone else is truly in a sting environment there will be charges as the end result. As stated in an early posted, they aren't so much interested in convictions as "headlines" and attempts to disgrace whoever they deem to be an operative.

[QUOTE=MassageIt;2175402]A friend of mine goes to AMPs and strips down completely. Then he proceeds with roaming hands during the massage. He never solicits. Could he be arrested?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]When a sting takes place in an AMP, the girls that where working there are all arrested and jailed. Then a girl working for the police takes over. Usually you will only see her but there are several uniformed officers in another room listening to the bugs. If you verbally solicit the masseuse, it will be recorded and you will be arrested. If you don't solicit her but go with the roaming hands beyond incidental contact, she will have you arrested for assault or sexual imposition, depending upon how far you roamed. Some guys do go to these places just for a legit massage and there is always a little bit of incidental contact and sometimes the cover towel might slip. The police won't mess with these guys because they haven't broken any laws going there.

If you go to an AMP that you have never been to before or if you are going to one where all of the personnel are different, your best bet is to get a legit massage on your first couple of visits and don't press for anymore. After the second visit or so and if the girls are comfortable with you, they will indicate if extras are available and you can go from there. When a sting is going on at an AMP, it usually only lasts a day or two and then the place gets closed, so if you visited once, they will be gone before you go back for the second visit.

[QUOTE=Cartog;2175593]It was interesting that the guy was not arrested on the spot, but issued a summons later. The detectives may have gone back and listens to his recorded phone conversations. At some point, he may have mentioned a sex act code word such as "full service". Just a thought.[/QUOTE]It is inconceivable that one would show up to an und cov sting, having answered an adv with lewd offerings made by LE for the sole purpose of attracting John's, and expect you would leave the premises without consequences. Those mf'ers will lie, cheat and steal to stretch whatever charge they can pin on someone. The facts aren't important, they make their shit up based on what justifies the outcome they seek! Seen it happen to a close friend of mine. Coniving be at stards!

[QUOTE=Cheech1;2175339]The reality is, for the most part any girl will rat you out or set you up if she's under enough pressure. In other words, she got busted for something relatively serious, and the cops say either you do stings for us or we are going to A, take away your kids or be, put your sorry ass in stir for a while and take away your kids too. That is the reality.

Cheech.[/QUOTE]I have always agreed with Cheech's comment, personally I always inform every provider that I am not interested in BJ or FS and that I do not want to do anything illegal. Most providers silently take the lead from that point, others look at me puzzled and follow my lead. In the end I usually finds myself happy, at the least I figure I met someone nice and had a great time doing things that didn't result in an? Also I believe if you respond to an ad that highlights that the provider offers FS, BJ. Or anything else that could be considered illegal, by merely showing up with out a mention or a gesture you have already solicited, and could be put through the ringer.

The real question is why do we take the chance?

I used to post the following argument a few years ago: The reason hobbyists and providers are still persecuted, while gays are treated now as civil rights heroes, is that we don't participate in the debate. I see lots of posts about evading LE, virtually none about changing the law.

It seems at least one well-known figure has volunteered to be "public face of the hobby". I wasn't familiar with this guy, but he does seem to have his own cable show and a lot of Twitter followers, and this appeared in Time Magazine:

[URL]http://time.com/3087616/defense-johns-legalize-prostitution/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2217358]Although this happened in Dayton, let's all be careful. Screen Screen Screen and then Screen some more.

[URL]http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/3-arrested-online-prostitution-sting/nhPX2/?source=newsFlash[/URL][/QUOTE]The ladies do need to screen their customers but the guys really need to be careful about the ladies that they call too. LE stings work both ways, not only are they out to get the providers, they are out to get their customers too. And they have been stepping up this bullshit a lot recently, election year. So ladies, screen your customers and guys, screen your potential providers.

[URL]http://www.daytondailynews.com/gallery/news/photos/20-busted-in-prostitution-sting/gkr7/[/URL]#1809946.

Middletown police are stepping up the their game too. I hope the link works. It means everyone should be careful and follow rules.

MrNails.