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[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;7607389]Just curious, have any of you approached any girls on social media (IG, Snap, tiktok) and successfully been able to get them to become a SB? I had a girl recently tell me that she sometimes she gets approached on social media and gets dates. She doesn't have a seeking profile, she was recommened by another SB I had. She didn't show me the chats and didn't want to get into further details, so I don't know how these guys approach her. What would you say? Some of these girls in OF specially, seem to be more prone to accepting these kinds of approaches.[/QUOTE]Yep. Snap, IG, etc. Algorithm friend / follow recommendation feature is a gold mine for SBs because if you get one SB who gives you their real account userid, social media algo will automatically suggest her friends and then their friends into your feed / network. If you're treating your sb correctly, she'll already be talking to her friends about you. They will pop up in the recommended friends feed. They might friend you, and then their friends pop into your feed as recommendations, so on and so forth.

Direct friends are usually off limits for me because I've found so many SBs will return after taking a break for whatever reason ("serious relationship" or 3/6 month relocation, etc.) and will often look to me for something "easy and fun. " I don't burn bridges because that's dumb.

That said, the friends of friends, are usually open to letting you buy them a drink because they've already heard about you. If you're doing things correctly. They don't care about the first SB because she's not a direct friend. They are usually open to drinks at first and something more later.

If you develop a reputation of treating a young lady right (outside and behind closed doors), it's easy to build a large network of potential SBs without reupping the seeking account. Also prevents them from creating a seeking account because they don't need to, helping to avoid scenarios where some finance bro offers her $2k for a 1 night pump and dump. If this happen, that usually sets expectations - in a negative way. As opposed to taking a young lady out for a good time, having fun together, and then helping her out while she is navigating her early 20s. I’ve found the latter scenario is better for all involved, and also helps expand the sugar bowl for all players.

Of course this doesnt work for the 1 and done guys who are overpaying, but thats not the lady Im looking for either. I dont want the hottest SB for a 1 night thing who is going to demand 1k a date. Those women usually want everything covered, are dead fish behind closed doors, and think theyre doing you a favor by letting you take them to dinner. No thanks. I want the cute PYT GND type that is looking to check the SB box off their bucket list, wants to explore their sexuality, will open up to more activities (anal, cim w swallow, CIP, bondage, rimming, pleasing, video, etc) and who is willing to do a lot more behind closed doors after they get to know you better. They are the type that recognize they dont want a LTR with a guy whose over twice their age, but want something thats more than just a friend, who can take care of them better than the the guys their age, from an emotional, financial, and sexual standpoint.

[QUOTE=Dkayz;7573697][URL]https://tryst.link/escort/aik0_[/URL]

Her Tryst, FYI.[/QUOTE]You sure about this being a legit tryst account? Phone number has changed a couple times and she's one of those "what city you in" and "50% deposit" replies.

Also, I've clicked on "Lincoln, NE" there a couple times and seen a couple similarly written profiles, with the random endless touring dates which make no sense geographically for travel.

Pretty sure it's a scam listing.

[QUOTE=BoMcC;7607748]You sure about this being a legit tryst account? Phone number has changed a couple times and she's one of those "what city you in" and "50% deposit" replies.

Also, I've clicked on "Lincoln, NE" there a couple times and seen a couple similarly written profiles, with the random endless touring dates which make no sense geographically for travel.

Pretty sure it's a scam listing.[/QUOTE]That looks like a scam. Like 100%. Too many red flags.

Online only "to start. " Didn't talk numbers because hell nah.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cf11c83b-1f49-4419-9413-fcd7fe82c531[/URL]

[QUOTE=Senbonzakura;7607901]Online only "to start. " Didn't talk numbers because hell nah.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cf11c83b-1f49-4419-9413-fcd7fe82c531[/URL][/QUOTE]I might be biased but also maturity (or lack of) at this age is usually a big issue. I usually start with the drinking age. Small gap but it makes a difference IMO.

[QUOTE=TomFordModel;7607524]Shit, 300 is about right. She's like any of those Latin girls that passed by the dc area. They're just her to fuck as many dudes for cash and offer subpar services.

So paying anything more than 300 is too much.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. I had super sub par experience with one of them. Ended up paying 400 I think. She had the looks but it felt like I'm on an assembly line with her trying to get me out of her way before the next dude comes in. Not a good experience, it was one and done.

[QUOTE=Senbonzakura;7607901]Online only "to start. " Didn't talk numbers because hell nah.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cf11c83b-1f49-4419-9413-fcd7fe82c531[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah I'd pass on this one brother. To me it seems like it's one of those where you put lot of effort talking and it goes nowhere at the end.

[QUOTE=VeryBigBuck;7607584]Agree there are some voices of reason there, unfortunately it is human nature to gravitate to a position consistent with your needs / desires. This is why in our approach to POT SB we need to be kind and firm regarding compensation.[/QUOTE]Interesting fact is that in every experience I've had the initial ask has always been either 1 k or just north of it, and in every case I've been able to reduce it by 50% to 500 or 600. As if they know, what the going PPM rates are and always double it for the initial ask LOL.

Does anyone have any experience with either girl in the attached pics.

Maria (the first girl) is 21 years old and located in Tysons. She can be found at [URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/XlOvwWa609PGnjK5ozpZgVeD[/URL].

Asia (the second girl) is also 21 years old and located in DC. We are still chatting, but she blocked me so I don't have her link.

Would love to hear any experiences and expectations.

[QUOTE=Mross86;7607914]I might be biased but also maturity (or lack of) at this age is usually a big issue. I usually start with the drinking age. Small gap but it makes a difference IMO.[/QUOTE]It's been hit or miss for me. Below 21 carrying themselves like much older, and above 21 carrying themselves like much, much younger. Like Bunny recently, for example LOL.

[QUOTE=Dkayz;7607493]From IG I have got a few over the years. Haven't really tried on OF. Honestly, OF has turned into a garbage dump now that AI and companies have taken the personal GND stuff out of 90% of it.[/QUOTE]Did you just DM them without knowing they were sb's? Or what hints do they show?

[QUOTE=BoMcC;7607748]You sure about this being a legit tryst account? Phone number has changed a couple times and she's one of those "what city you in" and "50% deposit" replies.

Also, I've clicked on "Lincoln, NE" there a couple times and seen a couple similarly written profiles, with the random endless touring dates which make no sense geographically for travel.

Pretty sure it's a scam listing.[/QUOTE]She told the other guy she had a Tryst and that was the only one with her pics in the area at the time. I wouldn't put it past her to be scamming people as well, though. She seems to be all over the place if you follow her on snap or IG as well.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;7608156]Did you just DM them without knowing they were sb's? Or what hints do they show?[/QUOTE]That's where the game of talking to women comes in. I usually try small talk and getting them interested in talking to me first. Then I go for the free approach of just meeting for drinks / dinner / whatever. If they still don't seem interested I'll find a way to include compensation into the arrangement. But it's hit and miss. It really comes down to knowing how to talk to people and leading the conversation in the direction you want it to go.

[QUOTE=Dkayz;7608214]That's where the game of talking to women comes in. I usually try small talk and getting them interested in talking to me first. Then I go for the free approach of just meeting for drinks / dinner / whatever. If they still don't seem interested I'll find a way to include compensation into the arrangement. But it's hit and miss. It really comes down to knowing how to talk to people and leading the conversation in the direction you want it to go.[/QUOTE]Nice work and glad it's working for you. I've tried it in the past but it doesn't work for me. Looks like you are better in that. I typically get the silence treatment after suggesting seeing them for drinks or dinner.

[QUOTE=AdcFellow;7608110]Does anyone have any experience with either girl in the attached pics.

Maria (the first girl) is 21 years old and located in Tysons. She can be found at [URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/XlOvwWa609PGnjK5ozpZgVeD[/URL].

Asia (the second girl) is also 21 years old and located in DC. We are still chatting, but she blocked me so I don't have her link.

Would love to hear any experiences and expectations.[/QUOTE]I think I exchanged messages with Asia on SA. Didn't make it beyond the platform though. There was a gap in what we were respectively looking for from what I recall and she was into something little more platonic and less intimate. Kind of strange that she blocked you while you guys are still chatting (assuming blocked you on the platform and chatting off the platform? I'd be thanks but no thanks at that junction immediately, but that's me and I've made plenty of dumb moves LOL. Sorry, I couldn't be of more help but that's the extent of my experience with her.

[QUOTE=Dkayz;7608214]That's where the game of talking to women comes in. I usually try small talk and getting them interested in talking to me first. Then I go for the free approach of just meeting for drinks / dinner / whatever. If they still don't seem interested I'll find a way to include compensation into the arrangement. But it's hit and miss. It really comes down to knowing how to talk to people and leading the conversation in the direction you want it to go.[/QUOTE]I don't think that a hot young woman is going to respond to an older guy when she already gets tons of messages from younger guys. That's why I asked what is being said to stand out. If she was recommended by a friend to you or you already know she is a SB, then obviously no game or hints are needed. I know that at bars you can hint at the bartenders and that can work. But online is a bit more difficult.

This.

You nailed it ProCatHunter.

I do not understand the friction that people have with this thing; it's the easiest thing in the whole world. And it has little to do with looks outside of large range; you can stand out by being a decent and kind person these girls. They've already signed up, they understand the dynamic.

[QUOTE=ProCatHunter;7607674]Yep. Snap, IG, etc. Algorithm friend / follow recommendation feature is a gold mine for SBs because if you get one SB who gives you their real account userid, social media algo will automatically suggest her friends and then their friends into your feed / network. If you're treating your sb correctly, she'll already be talking to her friends about you. They will pop up in the recommended friends feed. They might friend you, and then their friends pop into your feed as recommendations, so on and so forth.

Direct friends are usually off limits for me because I've found so many SBs will return after taking a break for whatever reason ("serious relationship" or 3/6 month relocation, etc.) and will often look to me for something "easy and fun. " I don't burn bridges because that's dumb.

That said, the friends of friends, are usually open to letting you buy them a drink because they've already heard about you. If you're doing things correctly. They don't care about the first SB because she's not a direct friend. They are usually open to drinks at first and something more later..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flipper69;7607958]Yeah I'd pass on this one brother. To me it seems like it's one of those where you put lot of effort talking and it goes nowhere at the end.[/QUOTE]Girl is a whale. 200 lbs. Damn based on the pic. Trailer trash. Whoever is giving her any attention must be totally desperate.

[QUOTE=BoMcC;7607748]You sure about this being a legit tryst account? Phone number has changed a couple times and she's one of those "what city you in" and "50% deposit" replies.

Also, I've clicked on "Lincoln, NE" there a couple times and seen a couple similarly written profiles, with the random endless touring dates which make no sense geographically for travel.

Pretty sure it's a scam listing.[/QUOTE]I've talked to her through seeking in the past so I tried to hit her up through the telegram on her tryst page. Long story short, she tried to get me to send a deposit to some Cash App account named Earl. So yeah, almost definitely fake.

Met with Anna this week. Great personality and hot body. 26 yo (verified). Has an accent, which makes her even more sexy. Photos on SA little enhanced, but very close to real. Won't do raw till she gets to know the person little better. I respect it. Initially wanted 800 and we settled on 600. CFS and BBBJ. Will see her again and likely add her to the rotation.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fb1908d1-0feb-4693-868b-0cf8cd40a842?_cf_ref=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudXNhc2V4Z3VpZGUubmwv[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zimmertan;7608264]Yeah wrong person. I think that's prob her sister.[/QUOTE]Yeah, her social media keeps popping on my feed (cause I've visited it before) and just saw a TikTok posting of her that popped up on my fyp. Unless it's some kind of filters and shit, she definitely looks different from what I saw her almost 3 months. Still pretty, but face looks puffy. It was not like that at all when we met. Not sure if it's drinking related or the high volume taking toll on her.

[QUOTE=Zimmertan;7608264]Yeah wrong person. I think that's prob her sister.[/QUOTE]Yeah, her social media keeps popping on my feed (cause I've visited it before) and just saw a TikTok posting of her that popped up on my fyp. Unless it's some kind of filters and shit, she definitely looks different from what I saw her almost 3 months. Still pretty, but face looks puffy. It was not like that at all when we met. Not sure if it's drinking related or the high volume taking toll on her. Hope nothing serious though.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;7608540]I don't think that a hot young woman is going to respond to an older guy when she already gets tons of messages from younger guys. That's why I asked what is being said to stand out. If she was recommended by a friend to you or you already know she is a SB, then obviously no game or hints are needed. I know that at bars you can hint at the bartenders and that can work. But online is a bit more difficult.[/QUOTE]I agree and think this approach is pretty difficult. Unless you look apart. Attractive and interesting enough to grab their attention, it's tough to pull it off. Not saying it's not working but don't think it's easy and it might be waste of time.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;7608540]I don't think that a hot young woman is going to respond to an older guy when she already gets tons of messages from younger guys. That's why I asked what is being said to stand out. If she was recommended by a friend to you or you already know she is a SB, then obviously no game or hints are needed. I know that at bars you can hint at the bartenders and that can work. But online is a bit more difficult.[/QUOTE]You're probably right to an extent. I'm not too old. Just early 40's and still fairly attractive, plus I look younger for my age. But it is an art being able to talk to these girls without creeping them out and being able to grab their attention when they already probably get a decent amount of guys hitting on them.

Granted, you'll have better luck getting responses if their follow amount isn't insane. If the girl has several thousand guys already following her you probably won't get her to even read your message, let alone reply to it. But if she has below say. 3 k followers you have a better chance. Flip side to that, you most likely won't find any model material girls with that low of a follower count, but you can still find some really hot GND type that way.

[QUOTE=Zimmertan;7608264]Yeah wrong person. I think that's prob her sister.[/QUOTE]Probably best to away from her too as it probably runs in the family LOL.

[QUOTE=BuckarooToo;7608573]This.

You nailed it ProCatHunter.

I do not understand the friction that people have with this thing; it's the easiest thing in the whole world. And it has little to do with looks outside of large range; you can stand out by being a decent and kind person these girls. They've already signed up, they understand the dynamic.[/QUOTE]I think the issue is that some of them are delusional about what they have signed up for. That's where most of the friction comes from. The platforms almostbmakingbfalse promises like jet setting and dining in triple diamond restaurants on every date in exchange for just being there.

[QUOTE=Flipper69;7608734]Yeah, her social media keeps popping on my feed (cause I've visited it before) and just saw a TikTok posting of her that popped up on my fyp. Unless it's some kind of filters and shit, she definitely looks different from what I saw her almost 3 months. Still pretty, but face looks puffy. It was not like that at all when we met. Not sure if it's drinking related or the high volume taking toll on her. Hope nothing serious though.[/QUOTE]This is the one you are referring to? And yeah she looked bit puffy. I think it's alcohol related.

Quick report on Angel. Got together with her last week for first time and did it before checking out any of the reports here. Price was too low to pass. We settled on 300. However, confirming the smell was unbearable. Almost gave me ED. Other than that she's pretty cute and has a great body and personality but if you go, definately go covered. I changed course last minute and glad I did.

[QUOTE=Mross86;7608942]I think the issue is that some of them are delusional about what they have signed up for. That's where most of the friction comes from. The platforms almostbmakingbfalse promises like jet setting and dining in triple diamond restaurants on every date in exchange for just being there.[/QUOTE]Of course the platform makes false promises to these chicks. Not sure if it still exists but when you originally went to the home page there was a video of a handsome salt and peppered haired dude picking up a younger 20 something blond and driving off in a Rolls Royce or Bently. Can't remember which car. Add in all the SM influences and bitches on Tik Tok lying about their experiences and you get a ton of delusional young ladies thinking dudes with means will pay them for their company. Fact of the matter is that the super wealthy dudes are pulling boat girls that truly are 10's. I know a couple of guys that fit that category and they are not getting their younger pussy off SA. They pull it by hosting extravagant parties and pulling up to the dock in their $1 M + yacht. The girls on SA are kidding themselves if they think they will land that kind of SD there. As one previous senior member said, SA is for the BMW driving SD, not the Bentley kind.

[QUOTE=NovaNova;7609011]Of course the platform makes false promises to these chicks. Not sure if it still exists but when you originally went to the home page there was a video of a handsome salt and peppered haired dude picking up a younger 20 something blond and driving off in a Rolls Royce or Bently. Can't remember which car. Add in all the SM influences and bitches on Tik Tok lying about their experiences and you get a ton of delusional young ladies thinking dudes with means will pay them for their company. Fact of the matter is that the super wealthy dudes are pulling boat girls that truly are 10's. I know a couple of guys that fit that category and they are not getting their younger pussy off SA. They pull it by hosting extravagant parties and pulling up to the dock in their $1 M + yacht. The girls on SA are kidding themselves if they think they will land that kind of SD there. As one previous senior member said, SA is for the BMW driving SD, not the Bentley kind.[/QUOTE]I can't disagree with this, very well said and spot on. And yes, I did see that intro on SA.

[QUOTE=Zimmertan;7608949]This is the one you are referring to? And yeah she looked bit puffy. I think it's alcohol related.[/QUOTE]That could be vasodilation. I used to date this girl while ago and each time after night of drinking, she would wake up with bloated face and redness in the face / eyes areas.

[QUOTE=NovaNova;7609011]Of course the platform makes false promises to these chicks. Not sure if it still exists but when you originally went to the home page there was a video of a handsome salt and peppered haired dude picking up a younger 20 something blond and driving off in a Rolls Royce or Bently. Can't remember which car. Add in all the SM influences and bitches on Tik Tok lying about their experiences and you get a ton of delusional young ladies thinking dudes with means will pay them for their company. Fact of the matter is that the super wealthy dudes are pulling boat girls that truly are 10's. I know a couple of guys that fit that category and they are not getting their younger pussy off SA. They pull it by hosting extravagant parties and pulling up to the dock in their $1 M + yacht. The girls on SA are kidding themselves if they think they will land that kind of SD there. As one previous senior member said, SA is for the BMW driving SD, not the Bentley kind.[/QUOTE]The girls that are jumping into the 1 M plus yatchs are usually connected and wealthy enough not to need the allowance. Based on my experience, there is overlap to some degree. The Bitcoin and finance bros have plenty of cash to jet set these girls to foreign countries. No doubt, you are correct, dudes like that are few and far between; and for the most part, guys with that kind of wealth are not picking up ladies from seeking. But there are a few who do and will. I don't know any personally, since I don't run with that crowd, but have met plenty of girls who have met the "white whales. ". Have also met ladies who have been approached by folks to be fluffers for mid east money; with the promise of travel and extravagant payouts. For those who arent in the know, the fluffer is the girl who sucks off the guy before he moves onto the 10 for sex. The girls who are the 10s that get fucked, win even more prizes. Epstein style shit. Crazy that this kind of world exists

They are few and far between, but with a lot of finance and crypto; those dues outspend us and drop $1 k like it's $10 for us. Proshares HQ is in Bethesda (the guys who created the 2 x Vol ETP known as UVXY for shorting purposes). Those finance bros bank what we make in a lifetime in a few months. When the next real economic downturn happens; it will be raining pussy for guys like us. Until then, those are the guys creating unreasonable expectations for the ladies.

Those guys definitely don't read this board. They don't need to. The pussy spreads for them because they drop cash like candy. Our best counter is to stay in shape, be nice to the ladies, offer a consistent relationship, and make them cum their brains out.

For the most part though, most girls prefer a decent consistent dude who is decent looking and can make them squirt when they cum, over the jet setter one and done type. That’s why guys like us have an advantage.

[QUOTE=BuckarooToo;7608573]This.

You nailed it ProCatHunter.

I do not understand the friction that people have with this thing; it's the easiest thing in the whole world. And it has little to do with looks outside of large range; you can stand out by being a decent and kind person these girls. They've already signed up, they understand the dynamic.[/QUOTE]Thanks brother. Let's grow the pie. The more ladies who enjoy the lifestyle, the more friends they tell about how great it is; and then it causes more ladies join or dip their toe into the lifestyle. The more ladies that join, the greater the supply. And we all know how supply and demand side economics work.

[QUOTE=Senbonzakura;7607901]Online only "to start. " Didn't talk numbers because hell nah.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cf11c83b-1f49-4419-9413-fcd7fe82c531[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes. I suspect in-person never materializes.

She also sent me her "rules".

Wk.

[QUOTE=Senbonzakura;7607901]Online only "to start. " Didn't talk numbers because hell nah.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cf11c83b-1f49-4419-9413-fcd7fe82c531[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WhoKnows;7609367]Yes. I suspect in-person never materializes.

She also sent me her "rules".

Wk.[/QUOTE]Faith messaged me out of the blue last night on Seeking. I was going to converse with her to see how she was going to give me the "online only" spiel, but having seen Who Knows' post, I'm not going to bother. Thanks, man.

[QUOTE=WhoKnows;7609367]Yes. I suspect in-person never materializes.

She also sent me her "rules".

Wk.[/QUOTE]What's funny is that this must work on some dudes. I'm not going to yuck anyone's yum, but I'll never understand that.

[QUOTE=WhoKnows;7609367]Yes. I suspect in-person never materializes.

She also sent me her "rules".

Wk.[/QUOTE]LOL "before you say no".

[QUOTE=Zimmertan;7608967]Quick report on Angel. Got together with her last week for first time and did it before checking out any of the reports here. Price was too low to pass. We settled on 300. However, confirming the smell was unbearable. Almost gave me ED. Other than that she's pretty cute and has a great body and personality but if you go, definately go covered. I changed course last minute and glad I did.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6956b85d-869e-4470-a99a-dba5a0bf7c28[/URL]

Can confirm. Dropped her a few months back because of the stench that comes with seeing multiple guys and allowing bbcip. For all the guys who keep asking me for her contact info and social medias, shes been well reviewed here in the past and is very active on the site.

[QUOTE=ProCatHunter;7609494][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6956b85d-869e-4470-a99a-dba5a0bf7c28[/URL]

Can confirm. Dropped her a few months back because of the stench that comes with seeing multiple guys and allowing bbcip. For all the guys who keep asking me for her contact info and social medias, shes been well reviewed here in the past and is very active on the site.[/QUOTE]Damn, her pics look good. I'm surprised a white 20 ish is giving it our for 300 when all these GPS beasts are trying to ask for 700 plus. She needs to find these simpsbthat would pay her.

Alexis - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4e70b5c7-82db-4574-8150-96255eaace52[/URL].

Met her four or five years ago. She was nowhere the level of thick she seems to display now in her pictures. Raw BJ covered fuck.

Mila - [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/490d5756-b568-4c95-a25f-e195ca6d14d8[/URL].

First and only time met her at her apartment in rockville. Sloppy enthusiastic blowjob with covered fuck. She's in good shape, butterface.