"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Some information that may be useful for anyone trying sugar babies in Colombia. Spent a week in Bogota, Colombia for business and wanted to try sugar in my free time. It was my first time trying the sugar scene outside the USA, so I was little nervous and careful. Most of the girls responded back to my initial SA message, but I picked the girls carefully. Anyway, I ended up taking two girls to FC, and it was a great experience. Both were college girls (they had college accounts, and I am sure they were college girls). I don't speak Spanish, but somehow managed to communicate in English (they use translation when messaging on SA).

First girl was 21, college junior. Met for dinner and she agreed to spend the night with me in my hotel room. Face 8/10, body 9/10, attitude 10/10. Slim, cute and sweet girl. Had 4 rounds including the morning round. All 3 holes were available. It was a memorable experience. She gladly accepted the 150 I gave her at the end of the date. It was a bargain compared to what I get in my hometown. Will definitely see her again when I go back there.

Second girl was 19, college sophomore. She insisted on dinner meet first (no allowance mentioned), and see if she liked me before committing to FC. Met her and had dinner at the restaurant of the hotel. She was happy to proceed to the hotel room. Face 9/10, body 9/10, attitude 10/10. Spent 3 hours (2 rounds of fun). Greek was not available. But we had lot of fun. She loved DFK and sensual stuff. Again 150 was the allowance.

May be I got lucky, but if you pick the right girl and do due diligence, is shouldn't be difficult. They seem to be straight forward when messaging and bit more honest than local girls. One caution. In Colombia (at least the hotels I stayed), all the guests have to report to the front desk and they keep a copy of the I'd of the guest with them. Very difficult to slip a girl to the room without the security noticing, and all guests have to go through the lobby. I stayed at Hilton and Marriott.

I asked both girls, they didn't want me sharing the information with others. So, I will not be posting their profiles.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Had two FC dates with her so far. She is an Engergizer Bunny in bed. Basically I couldn't keep up. No issues so far. But, I am being extra careful.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4272088]I met a girl today for a M&G who is stationed at a Military base about 15 miles from me. According to her, she is attached to a technology unit, not a combat unit. She is asking for full discretion and possibly hanging out at my place or at a hotel. The other restriction is that she has to get back to base by midnight. She is a nice looking girl, and DTF. I have a feeling she would be great in the sack. She mentioned about financial help, but didn't try to negotiate any amounts. I am really interested in her and planning on a date later this week. My question to you guys- any additional potential risk with a military SB than a civilian SB? Anyone out there who had experience with a military SB?

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4305211]Online and in person casual / discreet. What she always tells me. But the conversation is always "I need money for bills, please help me!" she wants money upfront or money for pics before meeting but could never tell me when she would be available. Silent after declining her request and a few days later returning with the same. Please help me, I'll meet when I can. Stopped responding last week. Good luck![/QUOTE]Meet her for dinner. Would not go to FC. Slave to her smart phone.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4305784]Some information that may be useful for anyone trying sugar babies in Colombia. Spent a week in Bogota, Colombia for business and wanted to try sugar in my free time. It was my first time trying the sugar scene outside the USA, so I was little nervous and careful. Most of the girls responded back to my initial SA message, but I picked the girls carefully. Anyway, I ended up taking two girls to FC, and it was a great experience. Both were college girls (they had college accounts, and I am sure they were college girls). I don't speak Spanish, but somehow managed to communicate in English (they use translation when messaging on SA).

First girl was 21, college junior. Met for dinner and she agreed to spend the night with me in my hotel room. Face 8/10, body 9/10, attitude 10/10. Slim, cute and sweet girl. Had 4 rounds including the morning round. All 3 holes were available. It was a memorable experience. She gladly accepted the 150 I gave her at the end of the date. It was a bargain compared to what I get in my hometown. Will definitely see her again when I go back there..[/QUOTE]Girls in Columbia, Costa Rica, Thailand, etc. , opened my eyes to just how messed up American girls are. The girls in those countries are both attentive and appreciative.

Most American girls act like they are doing you a favor by giving you an annual birthday blowjob in exchange for buying them a 9,000 square foot house and paying for their mom's heart surgery.

If travel time weren't an issue, I would be in one of those countries every week.

Whatever you do, don't bring one of those girls back to America and infect her with GPS.

You would think since Seeking borders on the edge of prostitution, that Brandon Wade would be flying low. But he announced yesterday he will pay for abortions for women who need to travel out of restrictive states to get one.

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sugar-daddy-founder-brandon-wade-abortion-ban-bill-seeking-arrangement-a8945601.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4306003]Meet her for dinner. Would not go to FC. Slave to her smart phone.[/QUOTE]Purely out of curiosity; what's the point of meeting this girl for dinner (and presumably paying) if you don't want to go to FC?

[QUOTE=Tidad;4306313]Purely out of curiosity; what's the point of meeting this girl for dinner (and presumably paying) if you don't want to go to FC?[/QUOTE]Not all these women are escorts some want meet to see if there is a connection. We did not hit it off and end of story.

Just wondering how often it's happened where you meet a girl half your age on SA and it turns into a real relationship lasting a year or longer?

Anybody out there wants to tell their story?

[QUOTE=FTP1999;4288900]How painful is reporting Escorts on SA?

They are ruining SA and would be so nice to report a couple.

Things like.

* What proof is needed? In my case, it is in SA Inbox. I said hello / interested, and she sent me a response "400".

* More importantly, would the escort know that I am the one who reported her? Good forbid that I pissed off an easier. She will take her vengeance on me somehow.

Th.[/QUOTE]Bad idea. What if you are dating a girl and suddenly she gets reported and her profile is deleted? Now all the potential money she was going to make is gone, and guess who's left dangling on the hook to pick up the slack? Or worse yet... you get one of my girls profiles deleted. : (

This actually happened to me recently and it caused a lot of drama and dinero. As my ATF was calling me like everyday for dates until I basically freaked out. Thank god she figured out how to use tinder. Those guys spend money like water.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4306988]Just wondering how often it's happened where you meet a girl half your age on SA and it turns into a real relationship lasting a year or longer?

Anybody out there wants to tell their story?[/QUOTE]I know a couple of SBs less than half my age. We've connected on and off for a few years. They usually text me when they need money, or advice. I don't give them money, but I do offer an ear.

But a real relationship? No.

Some SBs will connect with you on a deeper level than sex for money. You just have to know when they are trying to play you.

I have a profile on SA, but recently they asked to up a picture to my profile which I did. (not mine).

Sure enough after a week I wasn't able to log in saying my profile doesn't exist. Bty, I have been on SA with this profile for over 6 years. What do you all think the deal is? Did someone reported me?

Those two girls I met in Colombia gave me the full and undivided attention from the moment we met until she left. Both turned the phones off and put it aside. I was particularly fond of the first girl who I spent the night with. Hand down the best experience with a sugar baby so far for me. She showed up with a backpack with books so that should go to classes directly from hotel in the morning. I insisted a dinner, she just ordered a salad and water as she already had dinner. She was very sensual and attentive to all my requests. We chatted using google translate, very interesting. After third round at night we both were tired and she fell asleep on my chest naked. When we woke up in the morning, she was ready for another round. I offered her an Uber ride in the morning, but she was happy to take a public bus instead that she always takes to go to school. She remembered when I was leaving the country, and the night before she texted wishing me a safe trip back home. I still chat with her via Whatsapp. I really wish I could find someone like that here. I know the chances are slim.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4306253]Girls in Columbia, Costa Rica, Thailand, etc. , opened my eyes to just how messed up American girls are. The girls in those countries are both attentive and appreciative.

Most American girls act like they are doing you a favor by giving you an annual birthday blowjob in exchange for buying them a 9,000 square foot house and paying for their mom's heart surgery.

If travel time weren't an issue, I would be in one of those countries every week.

Whatever you do, don't bring one of those girls back to America and infect her with GPS.[/QUOTE]

And I intend to keep it that way. The beauty of an arrangement is the fun with out the commitments that come with a relationship, why ruin it? The chances most likely are they see more than one guy.

Yes, I do connect with them well, but not going to a level it becomes a relationship.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4306988]Just wondering how often it's happened where you meet a girl half your age on SA and it turns into a real relationship lasting a year or longer?

Anybody out there wants to tell their story?[/QUOTE]

For those that use Google Voice, it seems Google are catching up to our activities using their app as a burner phone for the hobby. They are suspending accounts.

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Another pic seller. She had a deal for me. Usually 100 a pic but would do 10 for 750. I wonder how much I could get from the ones wanting me to send them a dick pic?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d8262df5-067f-4d9f-9058-b0f8efdcb0b3[/URL]

[QUOTE=Truncated;4307030]I know a couple of SBs less than half my age. We've connected on and off for a few years. They usually text me when they need money, or advice. I don't give them money, but I do offer an ear.

But a real relationship? No.

Some SBs will connect with you on a deeper level than sex for money. You just have to know when they are trying to play you.[/QUOTE]Quick test to see if they are really feeling your vibe more than your money but make no mistake your cash is still KING. Embellish a story that involves having your money tied up for a month or two. Tell them you really want to see them but can only swing half the agreed allowance the next few meets. If they are truly feeling you most will respond "no problem" and won't expect to recoup the difference.

Obviously this test is designed more for longer term arrangements, not the one night stand variety. I have done this a few times as a test. For those that agree, I end up still gifting normal allowance saying I found some money in an old shoe or something. I take note of those that ghost me for a month then reappear after my original timeline wanting to hangout. Ripper.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4306988]Just wondering how often it's happened where you meet a girl half your age on SA and it turns into a real relationship lasting a year or longer?

Anybody out there wants to tell their story?[/QUOTE]Sure, I'll bite.

Let me start by saying this: Contrary to popular belief, not every girl on SA is on the site to get paid for sex. There are a lot of young women out there who are tired of dating immature guys their own age who don't have a clue how to treat a woman. For many of these girls, the idea of a "sugardaddy" is more about having an older, successful boyfriend that treats them well, mentors them, helps them figure life out, etc. Much more than it is the pay-to-play scenario so many of you assume. These are the girls I look for.

For context, I am married and locked in at home until my kids are older. I signed up for SA because I want the attention and affection of a part time girlfriend. I'm not interested in a pay-to-play transactional arrangement, I actually want a real relationship, or something very close to it. I've been lucky to have some extremely good experiences over the years.

My most recent relationship was with a girl I met on SA, I was 41 and she was 21. She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her. On our first date she told me she could never be exclusive to a married man, and for my part I told her I wouldn't get divorced until my kids were older. 4 weeks later she changed her mind. 4 years later, I changed mine.

We had incredible chemistry and an amazing connection right from the beginning. It was the type of effortless first date we all dream of, everything just fell into place and it just got better from there. The first year or so we kept everything very simple, casual and fun. I remember thinking how impressed I was that she didn't lose her perspective, we were exclusive to each other but she didn't get too emotionally attached. She honestly had a very mature outlook on it all. We both knew our relationship was never going to have a happy ending, but we were both happy and content to enjoy the ride as long as it lasted. She was an absolute go-getter, she worked very hard and soaked up the advice and guidance I gave her like a sponge. I taught her how to budget, I helped her pay off her credit card debt, I helped her with academic decisions and school projects, I helped her put herself in position for promotions at work and advance her career. All of which I found very rewarding, and she was always very good about expressing her appreciation of my efforts in ways that were very meaningful to me. Now just because we didn't have an "arrangement" doesn't mean I didn't contribute funds, because I most certainly did when times were tough for her. But in the grand scheme of things, it really wasn't much.

She lived about 2 hours from me, which was just about perfect. Not too close, not too far away. I would visit her for overnights when I was meeting with clients in her area, and it wasn't uncommon for us to meet halfway whenever we wanted to see each other outside of our regular weekly overnight dates. Over the course of our 4+ years together we spent the night together at least once a week for the entire stretch.

As far as the relationship goes, the first year was very casual. In our second year we started to get more emotionally involved, but we talked about it often and helped each other keep everything in check. We agreed that when the end did come, we would handle it with care and respect. As time went on I was concerned that I was keeping her off the market too long during the prime years of her life, but she always assured me that she was very happy and didn't want to be with anyone else. She promised she'd let me know if that changed. Two years turned into three and we continued to get more serious, we spent more time together and took several vacations together. In our fourth year everything changed. We were both extremely happy and started talking about what a life together might look like. By this time she was 25, we were very close, very much a team together and constantly motivating each other to be our best. She was young and vivacious, had an amazing spirit and took great care of me. From the beginning she gave me the best sex of my life, and right up to the end it kept getting better and better. It was honestly the best relationship I had ever been in, bar none. And I say that having enjoyed some really good relationships over the years.

Alas, all good things must come to an end. Eventually, after much discussion, she decided that it would be best if she found someone closer to her own age that could give her the more traditional life she had always dreamed of. She left the door open to something down the road, but said she knew she'd regret it if she didn't try. I couldn't blame her, and honestly, it was the right decision for her. I was still married after all. So toward the end of our fourth year together we spent several months working on our bucket list, doing those things we had always talked about but never gotten around to. I even took her to Paris for a week to celebrate our relationship, which was absolutely the trip of a lifetime. About a month after we got back we made plans for our last date; we went to the same restaurant where we had our first date and sat at the same table. It was bittersweet for sure. Afterwards we spent one last amazing night together and said our goodbyes in the morning. That was 7 months ago. We're still in touch, in fact we recently met for lunch to catch up. I do wish things were different. In another life we would have been extremely good together. But I admire her resolve. I don't think there are many girls her age who would be able to walk away from what we had together. I really respect that.

Some of you will ridicule the idea of getting seriously involved with a girl you meet on SA. For most girls on there, and certainly those offering pay-per-date arrangements, I would absolutely agree. It should be obvious that this was a very different situation, and even then my girl was the rarest of unicorns. But going back to the original question, my experience is proof positive that real relationships can and do happen. I found an amazing woman and had a better experience than I ever thought would have been possible. My bowl brother and I talk often about the importance of making great memories. I've been very fortunate to make more than my fair share.

[QUOTE=TopGun9;4307578]For those that use Google Voice, it seems Google are catching up to our activities using their app as a burner phone for the hobby. They are suspending accounts.

Unable to access a Google product.

If you've been redirected to this page from a particular product, it means that your access to this product has been suspended. Read on for more information.[/QUOTE]Are you fully locked out? Or just that account? In other words, can you make a different gmail and use voice?

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4308092]Are you fully locked out? Or just that account? In other words, can you make a different gmail and use voice?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up. I have four other texting / calling apps on my phone. If I didn't see this & got locked out I would have lost a lot of valuable info. I suggest anyone else that relies on GV capture numbers that you don't want to lose, just in case.

I did a search & didn't see anything about them policing or restricting users. May just not be public knowledge yet?

[QUOTE=Ripvan12;4307703]Quick test to see if they are really feeling your vibe more than your money but make no mistake your cash is still KING. Embellish a story that involves having your money tied up for a month or two. Tell them you really want to see them but can only swing half the agreed allowance the next few meets. If they are truly feeling you most will respond "no problem" and won't expect to recoup the difference.

Obviously this test is designed more for longer term arrangements, not the one night stand variety. I have done this a few times as a test. For those that agree, I end up still gifting normal allowance saying I found some money in an old shoe or something. I take note of those that ghost me for a month then reappear after my original timeline wanting to hangout. Ripper.[/QUOTE]Something I've done in the past is simply stop gifting after the dead. Not asking ahead of time if it's ok, not making any excuses, just spend a great evening and then go home.

I never give big amounts so I always know the girl must be into me somewhat because I'll never be a big spender. If after a couple of times of gifting to a girl I can tell the chemistry is there, I simply stop the sugar. So far my instincts have been 100% correct. Not a word of it is mentioned and we keep seeing each other. Doesn't mean it's free. I still pay for outings, small gifts, bottles of wine, etc. I would not try this with any girl on the site though.

I realize this applies to a very small minority of girls on SA, those that are really into older guys and love to have a daddy in their lives: in particular, me.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;4307822]Sure, I'll bite.

.......Some of you will ridicule the idea of getting seriously involved with a girl you meet on SA. For most girls on there, and certainly those offering pay-per-date arrangements, I would absolutely agree. It should be obvious that this was a very different situation, and even then my girl was the rarest of unicorns. But going back to the original question, my experience is proof positive that real relationships can and do happen. I found an amazing woman and had a better experience than I ever thought would have been possible. My bowl brother and I talk often about the importance of making great memories. I've been very fortunate to make more than my fair share.[/QUOTE]I am certainly not one who is judgmental regarding our activities. The only comment that I will make about this situation is that I have found, for me, that I have to keep these SA relationships on a business level, especially as a married man. So for me, that means treating the SB's as I would escorts. No long term relationships to f. Me up.

For me, they don't want a relationship with a 61 year old guy, don't look it but in the end, that's not for them, nor me for that matter, it's just show me the money! Tagreplacement0}.

[QUOTE=WestLain;4308228]I am certainly not one who is judgmental regarding our activities. The only comment that I will make about this situation is that I have found, for me, that I have to keep these SA relationships on a business level, especially as a married man. So for me, that means treating the SB's as I would escorts. No long term relationships to f. Me up.[/QUOTE]I completely agree, my situation wouldn't be right for everyone. It's definitely a lot safer & smarter to keep anybody you're seeing on the side at arm's length. I have had my fair share of short term flings, and those girls never knew my real name or any other details that would allow them to find me. But ultimately I decided those short term, arms-length relationships weren't really fulfilling enough for me.

Even in the case of the girl I saw for four years, she didn't know my real last name for the first year. I was very vigilant about maintaining my privacy / security. I only told her once the relationship took a serious turn and I knew I could trust her with my life. By that point she had definitely earned that level of trust.

True story: My first fling was 7 years ago, and lasted for about a year. The girl was 21 at the time. We were close, but she was never going to be a good candidate for a "real" relationship. After we stopped seeing each other she got married, had a kid and then a few years later she contacted me out of the blue so we reconnected. So I have known her for 7 years at this point, we talk or text almost daily to this day. But I have never told her my real last name, nor does she know exactly where I live or anything else that would allow her to track me down. I do trust her, but I have absolutely nothing to gain other than risk & exposure, so I keep my mouth shut.

I would like current info on this. Anyone have experience? From time to time, I have needed to send $ electronically to a SB, for whatever reason. I have a PayPal account I set up under my sugar email quite a while ago. I don't think you would even be able to do that these days, without a verified address or bank account for example, but I think I got grandfathered in. I haven't done significant suspicious transactions, so it still is open.

What I wish to do is tie a prepaid debit card, of the type we usually use, VanillaGift, OneVanilla Visa, or Amex Gift, to the account and use it to transfer the $ discreetly, without risking any electronic breadcrumbs that could come back to me personally. I have tried two different cards in the past 24 hours, neither worked. I'd like to know other's experience, and / or a workaround.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4206900]Absolutely. I have photos of every SB "score. " At last count it was up to 276. Not quite the 20,000 that Wilt Chamberlain bragged about (and his presumably were all free), but to approach those kinds of numbers I would have to retire early and fuck SBs as my full time occupation. Not a terrible proposition at all.

I find my photo collection a terrific way to walk down sensual and sexual memory lane. And obviously excellent spanking material.

I don't have a SO to hide my photos from, but, if I did, I would simply encrypt the photo file to keep it away from prying eyes.[/QUOTE]I have found video is my favorite keep sake. Is that something you do as well?

[QUOTE=WestLain;4308228]I am certainly not one who is judgmental regarding our activities. The only comment that I will make about this situation is that I have found, for me, that I have to keep these SA relationships on a business level, especially as a married man. So for me, that means treating the SB's as I would escorts. No long term relationships to f. Me up.[/QUOTE]My own experience was a close match to JoyDrop except that the ending was much, much messier for me. But for the first four years of our five-year relationship (I was married but am now divorced), it was an absolutely out-of-this-world experience. Everything from the sex, to the teamwork, the effortless companionship, the mutual emotional support. But we both fell hard for the unrealistic thought that we could have a life together, which once that started to become more of a tangible thing, the more unstable the relationship became. And it did not end well. That said, I do not regret the relationship, it was pivotal in my life. I only regret not having the perspective to have made different choices at various inflection points late in the game.

I'm now with a new SB, this one poly, which is a lot safer from a getting-in-too-deep perspective. While obviously I can't exactly be in her social circles, she otherwise considers me me as much of a partner as anyone else she sees seriously ("partner" being poly-speak for a relationship with emotional and physical components). It took her awhile to come around to acknowledging and accepting that she felt this way, as I don't think she considered that to be one of the likely outcomes. We now accept that we have a legitimate, caring relationship, but also that once she finishes grad school her life will likely branch off in other directions. I don't look forward to that, but I'm also not fooling myself into thinking it will have any other outcome. And she's one of the most emotionally and relationship-intelligent people I've ever known, so this time around I feel safe in the assumption that our parting will be bittersweet but amicable.

So it does happen. All depends on what you're looking for, and filtering your pots accordingly.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4308685]I would like current info on this. Anyone have experience? From time to time, I have needed to send $ electronically to a SB, for whatever reason. I have a PayPal account I set up under my sugar email quite a while ago. I don't think you would even be able to do that these days, without a verified address or bank account for example, but I think I got grandfathered in. I haven't done significant suspicious transactions, so it still is open.

What I wish to do is tie a prepaid debit card, of the type we usually use, VanillaGift, OneVanilla Visa, or Amex Gift, to the account and use it to transfer the $ discreetly, without risking any electronic breadcrumbs that could come back to me personally. I have tried two different cards in the past 24 hours, neither worked. I'd like to know other's experience, and / or a workaround.[/QUOTE]100% anonymous, takes a few minutes to setup then it's a breeze.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4308685]I would like current info on this. Anyone have experience? From time to time, I have needed to send $ electronically to a SB, for whatever reason. I have a PayPal account I set up under my sugar email quite a while ago. I don't think you would even be able to do that these days, without a verified address or bank account for example, but I think I got grandfathered in. I haven't done significant suspicious transactions, so it still is open.

What I wish to do is tie a prepaid debit card, of the type we usually use, VanillaGift, OneVanilla Visa, or Amex Gift, to the account and use it to transfer the $ discreetly, without risking any electronic breadcrumbs that could come back to me personally. I have tried two different cards in the past 24 hours, neither worked. I'd like to know other's experience, and / or a workaround.[/QUOTE]Get a PayPal gift card, then add it to your PP account. Repeat as needed.

My local Wal Mart sells them in that big rack of gift cards near the cash registers.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4308112]Thanks for the heads up. I have four other texting / calling apps on my phone. If I didn't see this & got locked out I would have lost a lot of valuable info. I suggest anyone else that relies on GV capture numbers that you don't want to lose, just in case.

I did a search & didn't see anything about them policing or restricting users. May just not be public knowledge yet?[/QUOTE]I'm sure google uses their data to try to prevent sex trafficking. If they sense enough common links to an account related to others who may be involved in sex work, they block them out of caution.

I don't think this is anything new.

So you steal from them and see if they complain?

Not cool!

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4308115]Something I've done in the past is simply stop gifting after the dead. Not asking ahead of time if it's ok, not making any excuses, just spend a great evening and then go home.

I never give big amounts so I always know the girl must be into me somewhat because I'll never be a big spender. If after a couple of times of gifting to a girl I can tell the chemistry is there, I simply stop the sugar. So far my instincts have been 100% correct. Not a word of it is mentioned and we keep seeing each other. Doesn't mean it's free. I still pay for outings, small gifts, bottles of wine, etc. I would not try this with any girl on the site though.

I realize this applies to a very small minority of girls on SA, those that are really into older guys and love to have a daddy in their lives: in particular, me.[/QUOTE]

I've had 3 long term relationships with girls I met off of SA that evolved into boyfriend / girlfriend relationships. One lasted 4+ years and we lived together for 2+ years. I'm divorced and more than twice her age.

We recently split because she was pushing for marriage and kids. I've already been there and done that so it's not something I'm ready for. We still talk daily and see each other occasionally.

I remain friends and talk to several girls from SA and strip clubs that I've known for 9+ years.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;4307822]Sure, I'll bite.

Let me start by saying this: Contrary to popular belief, not every girl on SA is on the site to get paid for sex. There are a lot of young women out there who are tired of dating immature guys their own age who don't have a clue how to treat a woman. For many of these girls, the idea of a "sugardaddy" is more about having an older, successful boyfriend that treats them well, mentors them, helps them figure life out, etc. Much more than it is the pay-to-play scenario so many of you assume. These are the girls I look for.

For context, I am married and locked in at home until my kids are older. I signed up for SA because I want the attention and affection of a part time girlfriend. I'm not interested in a pay-to-play transactional arrangement, I actually want a real relationship, or something very close to it. I've been lucky to have some extremely good experiences over the years.

My most recent relationship was with a girl I met on SA, I was 41 and she was 21. She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her. On our first date she told me she could never be exclusive to a married man, and for my part I told her I wouldn't get divorced until my kids were older. 4 weeks later she changed her mind. 4 years later, I changed mine.

We had incredible chemistry and an amazing connection right from the beginning. It was the type of effortless first date we all dream of, everything just fell into place and it just got better from there. The first year or so we kept everything very simple, casual and fun. I remember thinking how impressed I was that she didn't lose her perspective, we were exclusive to each other but she didn't get too emotionally attached. She honestly had a very mature outlook on it all. We both knew our relationship was never going to have a happy ending, but we were both happy and content to enjoy the ride as long as it lasted. She was an absolute go-getter, she worked very hard and soaked up the advice and guidance I gave her like a sponge. I taught her how to budget, I helped her pay off her credit card debt, I helped her with academic decisions and school projects, I helped her put herself in position for promotions at work and advance her career. All of which I found very rewarding, and she was always very good about expressing her appreciation of my efforts in ways that were very meaningful to me. Now just because we didn't have an "arrangement" doesn't mean I didn't contribute funds, because I most certainly did when times were tough for her. But in the grand scheme of things, it really wasn't much.

She lived about 2 hours from me, which was just about perfect. Not too close, not too far away. I would visit her for overnights when I was meeting with clients in her area, and it wasn't uncommon for us to meet halfway whenever we wanted to see each other outside of our regular weekly overnight dates. Over the course of our 4+ years together we spent the night together at least once a week for the entire stretch.

As far as the relationship goes, the first year was very casual. In our second year we started to get more emotionally involved, but we talked about it often and helped each other keep everything in check. We agreed that when the end did come, we would handle it with care and respect. As time went on I was concerned that I was keeping her off the market too long during the prime years of her life, but she always assured me that she was very happy and didn't want to be with anyone else. She promised she'd let me know if that changed. Two years turned into three and we continued to get more serious, we spent more time together and took several vacations together. In our fourth year everything changed. We were both extremely happy and started talking about what a life together might look like. By this time she was 25, we were very close, very much a team together and constantly motivating each other to be our best. She was young and vivacious, had an amazing spirit and took great care of me. From the beginning she gave me the best sex of my life, and right up to the end it kept getting better and better. It was honestly the best relationship I had ever been in, bar none. And I say that having enjoyed some really good relationships over the years.

Alas, all good things must come to an end. Eventually, after much discussion, she decided that it would be best if she found someone closer to her own age that could give her the more traditional life she had always dreamed of. She left the door open to something down the road, but said she knew she'd regret it if she didn't try. I couldn't blame her, and honestly, it was the right decision for her. I was still married after all. So toward the end of our fourth year together we spent several months working on our bucket list, doing those things we had always talked about but never gotten around to. I even took her to Paris for a week to celebrate our relationship, which was absolutely the trip of a lifetime. About a month after we got back we made plans for our last date; we went to the same restaurant where we had our first date and sat at the same table. It was bittersweet for sure. Afterwards we spent one last amazing night together and said our goodbyes in the morning. That was 7 months ago. We're still in touch, in fact we recently met for lunch to catch up. I do wish things were different. In another life we would have been extremely good together. But I admire her resolve. I don't think there are many girls her age who would be able to walk away from what we had together. I really respect that.

Some of you will ridicule the idea of getting seriously involved with a girl you meet on SA. For most girls on there, and certainly those offering pay-per-date arrangements, I would absolutely agree. It should be obvious that this was a very different situation, and even then my girl was the rarest of unicorns. But going back to the original question, my experience is proof positive that real relationships can and do happen. I found an amazing woman and had a better experience than I ever thought would have been possible. My bowl brother and I talk often about the importance of making great memories. I've been very fortunate to make more than my fair share.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4309434]So you steal from them and see if they complain?

Not cool![/QUOTE]That statement makes sense if you're only seeing pros. I'm not judging but I stay far, far away from pros or volume girls on SA. It's obviously not what we're talking about here. Like the old saying goes, your experience in the bowl is what you make of it. You go looking for pros and that's what you get. You go looking for something deeper and that's what you'll also get!

[QUOTE=DavidS78;4309003]100% anonymous, takes a few minutes to setup then it's a breeze.[/QUOTE]How do you mean that? I have been on the PayPal site, I don't see Bitcoin as one of the methods of payment taken. The SB doesn't have bitcoin, she has PayPal, I really do need to get the $ onto my sugar PayPal account, as I said.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4308092]Are you fully locked out? Or just that account? In other words, can you make a different gmail and use voice?[/QUOTE]Still able to access gmail. Locked out on Google voice.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4309496]How do you mean that? I have been on the PayPal site, I don't see Bitcoin as one of the methods of payment taken. The SB doesn't have bitcoin, she has PayPal, I really do need to get the $ onto my sugar PayPal account, as I said.[/QUOTE]Why don't you just send money from your regular PayPal account to your sugar account?

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4303633]Fake, fake fake fake.[/QUOTE]She is not fake. But she does have massive GPS. I almost pulled the trigger once but after me agreeing to 7 she told me she would only hang for 30-45 min AND wanted to Uber her to the hotel lmao. At that point I said F this.

[QUOTE=HabsBurg;4310312]Why don't you just send money from your regular PayPal account to your sugar account?[/QUOTE]If you do that often enough, you'll get both PP accounts suspended.

[QUOTE=RavensFan2012;4310327]She is not fake. But she does have massive GPS. I almost pulled the trigger once but after me agreeing to 7 she told me she would only hang for 30-45 min AND wanted to Uber her to the hotel lmao. At that point I said F this.[/QUOTE]She's definitely not a fake, but she is expensive.

[QUOTE=LogJammin18;4308725]I have found video is my favorite keep sake. Is that something you do as well?[/QUOTE]Yes. I take vids as well as still pics.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;4307822]Sure, I'll bite.

Let me start by saying this: Contrary to popular belief, not every girl on SA is on the site to get paid for sex. There are a lot of young women out there who are tired of dating immature guys their own age who don't have a clue how to treat a woman. For many of these girls, the idea of a "sugardaddy" is more about having an older, successful boyfriend that treats them well, mentors them, helps them figure life out, etc. Much more than it is the pay-to-play scenario so many of you assume. These are the girls I look for.

For context, I am married and locked in at home until my kids are older. I signed up for SA because I want the attention and affection of a part time girlfriend. I'm not interested in a pay-to-play transactional arrangement, I actually want a real relationship, or something very close to it. I've been lucky to have some extremely good experiences over the years.

My most recent relationship was with a girl I met on SA, I was 41 and she was 21. She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her. On our first date she told me she could never be exclusive to a married man, and for my part I told her I wouldn't get divorced until my kids were older. 4 weeks later she changed her mind. 4 years later, I changed mine.

We had incredible chemistry and an amazing connection right from the beginning. It was the type of effortless first date we all dream of, everything just fell into place and it just got better from there. The first year or so we kept everything very simple, casual and fun. I remember thinking how impressed I was that she didn't lose her perspective, we were exclusive to each other but she didn't get too emotionally attached. She honestly had a very mature outlook on it all. We both knew our relationship was never going to have a happy ending, but we were both happy and content to enjoy the ride as long as it lasted. She was an absolute go-getter, she worked very hard and soaked up the advice and guidance I gave her like a sponge. I taught her how to budget, I helped her pay off her credit card debt, I helped her with academic decisions and school projects, I helped her put herself in position for promotions at work and advance her career. All of which I found very rewarding, and she was always very good about expressing her appreciation of my efforts in ways that were very meaningful to me. Now just because we didn't have an "arrangement" doesn't mean I didn't contribute funds, because I most certainly did when times were tough for her. But in the grand scheme of things, it really wasn't much.

She lived about 2 hours from me, which was just about perfect. Not too close, not too far away. I would visit her for overnights when I was meeting with clients in her area, and it wasn't uncommon for us to meet halfway whenever we wanted to see each other outside of our regular weekly overnight dates. Over the course of our 4+ years together we spent the night together at least once a week for the entire stretch.

As far as the relationship goes, the first year was very casual. In our second year we started to get more emotionally involved, but we talked about it often and helped each other keep everything in check. We agreed that when the end did come, we would handle it with care and respect. As time went on I was concerned that I was keeping her off the market too long during the prime years of her life, but she always assured me that she was very happy and didn't want to be with anyone else. She promised she'd let me know if that changed. Two years turned into three and we continued to get more serious, we spent more time together and took several vacations together. In our fourth year everything changed. We were both extremely happy and started talking about what a life together might look like. By this time she was 25, we were very close, very much a team together and constantly motivating each other to be our best. She was young and vivacious, had an amazing spirit and took great care of me. From the beginning she gave me the best sex of my life, and right up to the end it kept getting better and better. It was honestly the best relationship I had ever been in, bar none. And I say that having enjoyed some really good relationships over the years.

Alas, all good things must come to an end. Eventually, after much discussion, she decided that it would be best if she found someone closer to her own age that could give her the more traditional life she had always dreamed of. She left the door open to something down the road, but said she knew she'd regret it if she didn't try. I couldn't blame her, and honestly, it was the right decision for her. I was still married after all. So toward the end of our fourth year together we spent several months working on our bucket list, doing those things we had always talked about but never gotten around to. I even took her to Paris for a week to celebrate our relationship, which was absolutely the trip of a lifetime. About a month after we got back we made plans for our last date; we went to the same restaurant where we had our first date and sat at the same table. It was bittersweet for sure. Afterwards we spent one last amazing night together and said our goodbyes in the morning. That was 7 months ago. We're still in touch, in fact we recently met for lunch to catch up. I do wish things were different. In another life we would have been extremely good together. But I admire her resolve. I don't think there are many girls her age who would be able to walk away from what we had together. I really respect that.

Some of you will ridicule the idea of getting seriously involved with a girl you meet on SA. For most girls on there, and certainly those offering pay-per-date arrangements, I would absolutely agree. It should be obvious that this was a very different situation, and even then my girl was the rarest of unicorns. But going back to the original question, my experience is proof positive that real relationships can and do happen. I found an amazing woman and had a better experience than I ever thought would have been possible. My bowl brother and I talk often about the importance of making great memories. I've been very fortunate to make more than my fair share.[/QUOTE]I've been exactly where you are and done that. The first SB was over two years and turned real relationship. However, you have to keep in mind, the reality is, that when we are say under maybe age 55, we can still perform, keep up and revisit long lost things from our youth through these girls. But lets say you're 41 and she 21; The example you gave. You can still keep up now, but in 10-15 years from now, you really aren't going to anymore. That is just the sad reality of aging. She will still be a young, hot, early 30's thing and you will be the old man. She will stray and you'll be left holding the bag. The sad reality of sugar dating is while it allows us to revisit our youth, or in my case, have the youth I never experienced when I was younger, it will end. It will somehow, someway always end. Most of the girls I've developed feelings with, or opened up to, get attached. And I mean seriously attached. They are needing something in their lives, or to be able to understand something about their lives and I gave them that. This was some eight years back now, when I started in the bowl. But as I've aged in the past eight years, I've realized those days needed to end. I do not open up and get close to any of them anymore. I'm standoffish as I've accepted the reality that this is a fantasy, maybe just for me, maybe for her as well, but it's not going anywhere.

I was where you are now. Early 40's new to the bowl, going out on real dates, making out in public, having sex in the bathroom with these girls, in my car in the downtown parking garage, getting shit faced drunk at the college bars, her showing me off to her friends, etc. I got to do the thing sI never did in my twenties and it was amazing. But those times are behind me as I've gotten older. So if you're able to still be in that zone with your babies? Enjoy it man, cause it don't last forever. Now, for me? I'm still the different SD to most of the girls I hang with. They open up to me, we snuggle, we fuck we might have dinner, but the idea that she views me as, "maybe this guy could really be something?" Well, those days are now passing me by.