"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

There's alot of things to respond to here, so I'll try to just stick to the most interesting points:

Market price is the average price paid for any given commodity or service. It would make all of our lives easier if there was a pussy ticker similar to a stock ticker, but no such luck LOL. Instead we have to rely on info shared from others in the hobby, and hope they have enough cred to be believable. I like to think I've built up enough cred to be reliable, but understand that if what I say flies against your lived experience it can be hard to accept another point of view that contradicts your reality. All I can tell you is what I experience, and what girls have told me they have experienced, and trends I've noticed. I do speak in broad generalities (never pay more than 300, older women should cost less) but understand that exceptions always exist. However, there are others on this board that I talk to privately that confirm my experiences.

I think most guys in the bowl fall very broadly into 2 categories. The first, and I think more common category, are guys looking for GFE escorts without the volume or rules. These guys tend to be more direct, straight to the point, use higher PPMs to avoid having to spend the extra time or effort to get to know a girl, and generally won't see the same girl more than a handful of times. They go after "hot girls" more than "cute girls" if that distinction makes sense, which also has a side effect of driving up the PPM, especially when combined with their lack of negotiation (negotiation means more time and effort, and they just want to get straight to fun).

The second category treat the bowl like a dating app. Some guys are looking for 1 long term GF while others are looking to find several friends with benefits, but either way they spend more time and effort getting to know the girls, are talking to both the "hot girls" and the "cute girls", and will see the same girl or girls several times over the space of several months. They end up finding girlfriends or friends with benefits, and can often move from PPM to a lower PPM or even free, or "freemium" which I would call needing to take the girl out or give her small gifts in place of an allowance / PPM. I had a pretty hot mid-20's girl awhile back that started off at 200 ppm plus hotel, but after our first date I only had to pay for dinner or pay for her to get a mani / pedi / massage. Generally I'd text her to see if she were busy, we'd meet up and fuck, then I send her a $100 gift card to her favorite spa. I've been with an honest-to-god print model and I know for a fact I was paying her 300 while another SD was paying her 500, but she fucked me for 300 (despite me being very unattractive) because we "vibed" so much over text. We really connected, the sex was amazing, and I genuinely missed her when she moved away.

I suspect this is the reason there is such a wide gap in dudes sugaring experiences, and if you're the 1st type of guy, stories from the 2nd type of guy seem unrealistic or perhaps even "tall tales". I suspect it also inadvertently creates 2 very different markets with different pricing. I've posted screenshots of my successful negotiations before, and I've posted pics of the girls I've been with both here and the greatest hits thread. If you think I've put the time and effort in to fake all those posts and proof to create "tall tales" I don't know what to tell you.

I'm not making a judgement on either type. If you're just looking for P2P GFE hookups, basically treat SB sites like glorified escort sites, that isn't bad or wrong, just different expectations and strategies to achieve success. As long as you're ok paying more to save time, you'll likely get more variety in girls, and I hope you have a blast. If you're the 2nd type, then you likely won't fuck as many girls, but the girls you do fuck will do so for less PPM. And I'm sure some guys are some mix of the 2 types.

No matter which type you are or what your goals are in the bowl, I think we all benefit from sharing experiences, including what we're getting for what we pay. I respect AirmanTroy, he's been posting forever and has shared a lot of good insights. He and I disagree on how to determine PPM, but hopefully the discussion helps guys hear different perspectives and decide for themselves how to price and negotiate these things.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7525232]There's alot of things to respond to here, so I'll try to just stick to the most interesting points:

Market price is the average price paid for any given commodity or service. It would make all of our lives easier if there was a pussy ticker similar to a stock ticker, but no such luck LOL. Instead we have to rely on info shared from others in the hobby, and hope they have enough cred to be believable. I like to think I've built up enough cred to be reliable, but understand that if what I say flies against your lived experience it can be hard to accept another point of view that contradicts your reality. All I can tell you is what I experience, and what girls have told me they have experienced, and trends I've noticed. I do speak in broad generalities (never pay more than 300, older women should cost less) but understand that exceptions always exist. However, there are others on this board that I talk to privately that confirm my experiences.
.[/QUOTE]You and I do agree on and share a lot of info, we disagree on age being a determining factor for ppm, that's about the extent of it. I know from my convo's with SB's and with other guys that what they are willing to accept is NOT based on their age. But we have so many options to establish a "market" price. Listcrawler, Eros, Tryst, Models World. And you can occasionally find a gem on any one of those sites, but the odds are against you on the lower end of the scale. Some guys are in this for the variety without the potential for high volume, some are looking for a part time girlfriend they don't mind tossing a few bucks at, some are absolutely looking for a clock free escort. There's way too many guys with a huge difference in what they are looking for to generalize it to a specific range of numbers. My general rule is 300-400 depending on if they can host, boundaries that have been discussed, availability during the times I can escape life easily. I can determine if the girl is a wannabe escort with the title in less than 6 text messages on most encounters, I don't really care if that's what she wants, as long as there is no timer ticking down and she checks the boxes I look for.

Anyone have experience with this one? Texts are going great so far and doesn't seem in a hurry to meet. DMs are okay.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8de29843-1529-4919-9e89-523897c01ddc[/URL]

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7525344]You and I do agree on and share a lot of info, we disagree on age being a determining factor for ppm, that's about the extent of it. I know from my convo's with SB's and with other guys that what they are willing to accept is NOT based on their age. But we have so many options to establish a "market" price. Listcrawler, Eros, Tryst, Models World. And you can occasionally find a gem on any one of those sites, but the odds are against you on the lower end of the scale. Some guys are in this for the variety without the potential for high volume, some are looking for a part time girlfriend they don't mind tossing a few bucks at, some are absolutely looking for a clock free escort. There's way too many guys with a huge difference in what they are looking for to generalize it to a specific range of numbers. My general rule is 300-400 depending on if they can host, boundaries that have been discussed, availability during the times I can escape life easily. I can determine if the girl is a wannabe escort with the title in less than 6 text messages on most encounters, I don't really care if that's what she wants, as long as there is no timer ticking down and she checks the boxes I look for.[/QUOTE]If a guy is an attorney, doctor, or other high earner who is married and billing $300 to $500 per hour it's worth the premium to have an SB mature enough to understand the game, discrete, able to accommodate a flexible schedule, has a nice body, and hot in the sack. Notice I didn't say "easy to talk to" because that may or may not matter to some guys.

But high earner married guys have a fucking lot to lose if their hobby is found out. An extra $100 PPM on top of the normal $200 to $300 is worth every penny to have their cake and eat it too. A high earner will (not can, but will) lose hundreds of thousands in retirement, home equity, child support, and alimony if he gets caught because he saved a couple hundred per month using a young, hot but immature chick that outed him because he didn't return her text fast enough.

The game isn't about younger versus older. The game is really single guys who can survive being outed versus married guys that can't and they should pay the premium to prevent it. Yes, to paying the extra $100 ppm to prevent the alternative.

Safe Hunting.

[QUOTE=Viktor213;7527002]If a guy is an attorney, doctor, or other high earner who is married and billing $300 to $500 per hour it's worth the premium to have an SB mature enough to understand the game, discrete, able to accommodate a flexible schedule, has a nice body, and hot in the sack. Notice I didn't say "easy to talk to" because that may or may not matter to some guys.

But high earner married guys have a fucking lot to lose if their hobby is found out. An extra $100 PPM on top of the normal $200 to $300 is worth every penny to have their cake and eat it too. A high earner will (not can, but will) lose hundreds of thousands in retirement, home equity, child support, and alimony if he gets caught because he saved a couple hundred per month using a young, hot but immature chick that outed him because he didn't return her text fast enough.

The game isn't about younger versus older. The game is really single guys who can survive being outed versus married guys that can't and they should pay the premium to prevent it. Yes, to paying the extra $100 ppm to prevent the alternative.

Safe Hunting.[/QUOTE]Ever hear of Stormy Daniels and those hush money payments?

Paid her gobs of money to be silent and still talked?

How much you pay, in and of itself, doesn't guarantee any peace of mind. If a chick wants to squawk and out you, she will do just that.

At any age.

[QUOTE=Wleakr;7527153]Ever hear of Stormy Daniels and those hush money payments?

Paid her gobs of money to be silent and still talked?

How much you pay, in and of itself, doesn't guarantee any peace of mind. If a chick wants to squawk and out you, she will do just that.

At any age.[/QUOTE]Married guys with something to lose (hopefully) don't move like single guys. Married guys have doctored pics, burner phones, secret bank cards and cash stashes, carefully planned calendars, and all kinds of James Bond spy shit to hide his real name and address from the SB. Hopefully that means the properly compensated SB doesn't ask a lot of questions, doesn't require public dates or outings, can be at the hotel when scheduled on a tight window, provides good service, and has to wait for contact from the married guy cause he ain't checking the burner every day. This does support the idea of the slightly more mature 30-year old SB cause she's been a side check before and is all about the bread but I digress.

Never the less, ain't no talking if the SB doesn't have "John's" real name, real number, or socials.

[QUOTE=Viktor213;7527262]Married guys with something to lose (hopefully) don't move like single guys. Married guys have doctored pics, burner phones, secret bank cards and cash stashes, carefully planned calendars, and all kinds of James Bond spy shit to hide his real name and address from the SB. Hopefully that means the properly compensated SB doesn't ask a lot of questions, doesn't require public dates or outings, can be at the hotel when scheduled on a tight window, provides good service, and has to wait for contact from the married guy cause he ain't checking the burner every day. This does support the idea of the slightly more mature 30-year old SB cause she's been a side check before and is all about the bread but I digress.

Never the less, ain't no talking if the SB doesn't have "John's" real name, real number, or socials.[/QUOTE]All active high earners don't have the time to do all the spy stuff you suggest. Maybe some of it.

And if you are truly single, I'm doubtful there is even a need to be in the sugar bowl. Wasn't something I ever thought of while single because, as you mention, there's nothing to hide from.

So the only "single" guys we're speaking of are those with significant others and / or families they simply aren't legally married to.

In which case, they have some of the same things to lose as a married guy, especially if they meet the definition of common law marraige.

I do agree. Keep yourself anonymous and there's no issue.

We could all move on from this convo and get back to sharing actual info on girls if everyone would just realize that we all have different criteria and stop telling people they are wrong for the amount they are paying whether it's your not paying enough or you should never pay a premium for XYZ. Different people have different motives and different resources and different tastes.

Any of you guys have any insights to local sugar babies that are into anal? Seems all the ones that I've spoken to so far have a hard no on backdoor play.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;7527523]We could all move on from this convo and get back to sharing actual info on girls if everyone would just realize that we all have different criteria and stop telling people they are wrong for the amount they are paying whether it's your not paying enough or you should never pay a premium for XYZ. Different people have different motives and different resources and different tastes.[/QUOTE]Obviously, everyone doesn't "just realize" that hence the need for the discussion. Intel isn't just about the girls it's also the price paid for the girls right? But yeah, let's move on.

[QUOTE=Rican2323;7527765]Any of you guys have any insights to local sugar babies that are into anal? Seems all the ones that I've spoken to so far have a hard no on backdoor play.[/QUOTE]Prior intel mentioned this one as an option. Have chatted with her myself and think she's legit for it.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/87f070dd-8f90-43b3-b5ce-f81c0d5cb623[/URL]

Safe Hunting.

[QUOTE=Viktor213;7527813]Prior intel mentioned this one as an option. Have chatted with her myself and think she's legit for it.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/87f070dd-8f90-43b3-b5ce-f81c0d5cb623[/URL]

Safe Hunting.[/QUOTE]She absolutly loves it. And she has toys to prove it. For a bargain ppm if you play it right.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7528037]She absolutly loves it. And she has toys to prove it. For a bargain ppm if you play it right.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I reached out to her a week ago or so. She told me that whatever hotel she was at stole all of her things and toys. So I am not sure if she is living in hotels. If she does that's a red flag for me!

[QUOTE=Rican2323;7528472]Yeah, I reached out to her a week ago or so. She told me that whatever hotel she was at stole all of her things and toys. So I am not sure if she is living in hotels. If she does that's a red flag for me![/QUOTE]She moves around from hotel to hotel. Others have said she isn't a pro, but that's definitely not normal.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;7528639]She moves around from hotel to hotel. Others have said she isn't a pro, but that's definitely not normal.[/QUOTE]Her ad says 43 but I'm guessing at least 53 judging by the photos? For real anyone know?

Not sure what's going on today but I just got hit with what I consider ridiculous support requests, $3-3. 5 k.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/286eb538-db47-4a94-a01e-bc0f8eb34d0d[/URL]

Wants $3. 5 to pay her rent & car.

Tete in Atl wants $3 k. She blocked me right away so no link. Attractive but out of my comfort zone. I'll attach a pic.

There's a pretty good OPSEC thread in the Northern Virginia Board. FYI.

[QUOTE=Viktor213;7527262]Married guys with something to lose (hopefully) don't move like single guys. Married guys have doctored pics, burner phones, secret bank cards and cash stashes, carefully planned calendars, and all kinds of James Bond spy shit to hide his real name and address from the SB. Hopefully that means the properly compensated SB doesn't ask a lot of questions, doesn't require public dates or outings, can be at the hotel when scheduled on a tight window, provides good service, and has to wait for contact from the married guy cause he ain't checking the burner every day. This does support the idea of the slightly more mature 30-year old SB cause she's been a side check before and is all about the bread but I digress.

Never the less, ain't no talking if the SB doesn't have "John's" real name, real number, or socials.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Viktor213;7527262]

Never the less, ain't no talking if the SB doesn't have "John's" real name, real number, or socials.[/QUOTE]I have NEVER given anyone my real name, number or any other traceable information. Of course, if they know my car, they can take a pic of the license plate, etc. But they're going to have to go through some trouble to identify me and I doubt many are willing to do that.

[QUOTE=Viktor213;7527262]

Never the less, ain't no talking if the SB doesn't have "John's" real name, real number, or socials.[/QUOTE]I have NEVER given anyone my real name, number or any other traceable information. Of course, if they know my car, they can take a pic of the license plate, etc. But they're going to have to go through some trouble to identify me and I doubt many are willing to do that.

[QUOTE=Harley32;7528788]Not sure what's going on today but I just got hit with what I consider ridiculous support requests, $3-3. 5 k.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/286eb538-db47-4a94-a01e-bc0f8eb34d0d[/URL]

Wants $3. 5 to pay her rent & car.

Tete in Atl wants $3 k. She blocked me right away so no link. Attractive but out of my comfort zone. I'll attach a pic.[/QUOTE]Lmao these chicks must be smoking that tik tok juice hard. No way a busted black girl in atl is getting anything more than $100/ hour.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;7528639]She moves around from hotel to hotel. Others have said she isn't a pro, but that's definitely not normal.[/QUOTE]I talked to her for a bit. Yes she seems to live out of a hotel which seems odd for a non pro. Though I do think she does have some kind of actual career. However when discussing when we could meet, she mentioned her "bodyguard". Which I took to mean her pimp and I just stopped responding. Also, she sent some weird messages too in the middle of the night.

[QUOTE=TheAnswer4;7529170]Lmao these chicks must be smoking that tik tok juice hard. No way a busted black girl in atl is getting anything more than $100/ hour.[/QUOTE]I feel like theses girls all think SDs are SIMPS.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7518168]Here's some pics I posted in another thread of Cheyenne. She's a 19 year old SB who multiple guys in this thread confirmed they saw at 300, and she agreed to see me for 200. [URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33969-Photos-of-your-Greatest-Hits&p=7458440&viewfull=1#post7458440[/URL].

Being transparent, the most recent SB I saw that I was referring to in my most recent post isn't as pretty as Cheyenne (Cheyenne is easily an 8, girl I saw most recently is a 7) but was way way way better in the sack.

Last year I was seeing a gorgeous Latina college student who had done some modeling, she was 250 PPM plus a hotel (not sharing her pic / info because she moved away, and if she ever comes back you better believe I'll be seeing her again). Finally, a couple of years ago I was seeing a legit print model, an actual 9/10 for 300 PPM and she hosted. She did some modeling for some local magazines and what not. Still the very best I've ever landed through seeking, and I fully admit I got incredibly lucky to find her and get her down. She was originally asking 600 and I'm sure some guys were paying her that, and the charm/game I laid on to get her is still one of my most proud moments lol.

I will also say that I really like tattoos, "alt girls", and "hippie girls" and it's my experience girls in those categories have lower asks. If you don't like tattoos or think an unshaved kitty is a turn off, well, different strokes as they say. But I'm not fucking fatties or anyone over 35. However I also don't expect "perfection" in their looks and generally avoid girls who have the "insta model" look, which I think contributes to avoiding a lot of GPS. Single moms between 25-30 is generally my sweet spot, though I occasionally get lucky and find one with no kids.[/QUOTE]Cheyenne to me is a solid 6-6. 5.

But I love me some white girl with squeezable ass.

Is she still in the game? Would love to take a crack at her.

Other than that I'm going to tired of the bowl. I think I'm burned out. I mistaking renewed my sub (cause its on auto renew and I forgot to turn it off) for a month and I havne't messaged anyone in 3 weeks. Thats how much burned out I am.

That B*tch is crazy, serious GPS issues. She wants 500, I politely declined and wished her luck. She blew up my phone and wouldn't stop with the insults. She blocked me before I could get her link but I always download a pic as soon as I get a number. Only way I can keep up with who I'm talking with.

[QUOTE=Harley32;7531034]That B*tch is crazy, serious GPS issues. She wants 500, I politely declined and wished her luck. She blew up my phone and wouldn't stop with the insults. She blocked me before I could get her link but I always download a pic as soon as I get a number. Only way I can keep up with who I'm talking with.[/QUOTE]What are GPS issues? I checked the abbreviations and it's not there.

[QUOTE=IAmHereForFun;7531042]What are GPS issues? I checked the abbreviations and it's not there.[/QUOTE]Golden Pussy Syndrome.

[QUOTE=Harley32;7531034]That B*tch is crazy, serious GPS issues. She wants 500, I politely declined and wished her luck. She blew up my phone and wouldn't stop with the insults. She blocked me before I could get her link but I always download a pic as soon as I get a number. Only way I can keep up with who I'm talking with.[/QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ca00b885-3a6a-4d19-b325-fee821e15255[/URL]

[QUOTE=FreudFro;7531461]Golden Pussy Syndrome.[/QUOTE]Okay got it thanks dude! LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7c7a3ef4-2ca9-4a9d-bedf-89c45b348908[/URL]

Time to let one go. She can be a good one but got tired of her getting me down telling me about her struggles. She can host which is a plus and is a smart girl. Very liberal, so some of you Trump lovers may not get along.

Pros:

- can host.

- CIP and loves to be roughed up.

Cons:

- Has a lot going on.

- Can be a bummer to hang around sometime.

If we have exchanged DMs in the past, feel free to reach out.

[QUOTE=Marmong;7531889][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7c7a3ef4-2ca9-4a9d-bedf-89c45b348908[/URL]

Time to let one go. She can be a good one but got tired of her getting me down telling me about her struggles. She can host which is a plus and is a smart girl. Very liberal, so some of you Trump lovers may not get along.

Pros:

- can host.

- CIP and loves to be roughed up.

Cons:

- Has a lot going on.

- Can be a bummer to hang around sometime.

If we have exchanged DMs in the past, feel free to reach out.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I've found that's a common issue with some of these chicks. I guess the idea of selling pussy to float is too much for them, but the last thing you want when paying is the burden of their problems LOL.

Was Hannah PPM? If so what was the range?

Has anyone had any experience with her: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/59ba81ab-3578-4f26-8b47-b753ac8c4f54[/URL].

She seems to be perpetually online, which is never a good sign, but I like her look. Curious if there's any prior lore.

[QUOTE=MarcMeme1;7532947]Unfortunately I've found that's a common issue with some of these chicks. I guess the idea of selling pussy to float is too much for them, but the last thing you want when paying is the burden of their problems LOL.

Was Hannah PPM? If so what was the range?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree. Most of the girls wouldn't be there unless they were broke and had big problems. Even the girls that "make her own $$" are usually faking and just waiting for an opportunity to ask for help. So, I wouldn't recommend (and haven't) dropped an attractive, CIP girl because of her "issues" because they all have issues. If you have some time and she wants to talk then lower the PPM to just sack time. Win-Win.

If you have an attractive, reasonable distance, reasonable PPM, CIP girl that can host, on birth control, no handler, and no STIs that's called a win. At a minimum keep her in your back pocket when you hit a dry spell.

[QUOTE=Marmong;7531889][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7c7a3ef4-2ca9-4a9d-bedf-89c45b348908[/URL]

Time to let one go. She can be a good one but got tired of her getting me down telling me about her struggles. She can host which is a plus and is a smart girl. Very liberal, so some of you Trump lovers may not get along.

Pros:

- can host.

- CIP and loves to be roughed up.

Cons:

- Has a lot going on.

- Can be a bummer to hang around sometime.

If we have exchanged DMs in the past, feel free to reach out.[/QUOTE]You can see in her pictures that she has been a cutter at some point. I've seen this on a few SBs and providers. It's certainly a red flag.

This is true! I have been playing in the sugar bowl for about a year and half and can quickly spot a real sb from a pro. Also, like was said if you have one that looks good, can host and reasonable ppm keep her tight, its getting rough out here. I had a few sbs that would ask for a little extra between meets here and there and it starts to add up. Also, I hit them like 3 or 4 times and I move on but recently I have two that live alone and good times. Once is a eater and the other is a young nerdy chick. They both don't ask for anything except to fuck for ppm so I am just keeping them around between seeing the cheap Hispanic pros inbetween when I need to bust a nut. Sometimes I need to bust a quick nut so I do a qv with the Hispanics and when I want to really fuck, I hit one of them up and ppm is 300 so not bad. I just have to fight the urge to reach out to new chicks LOL.

[QUOTE=Viktor213;7533220]Yeah, I agree. Most of the girls wouldn't be there unless they were broke and had big problems. Even the girls that "make her own $$" are usually faking and just waiting for an opportunity to ask for help. So, I wouldn't recommend (and haven't) dropped an attractive, CIP girl because of her "issues" because they all have issues. If you have some time and she wants to talk then lower the PPM to just sack time. Win-Win.

If you have an attractive, reasonable distance, reasonable PPM, CIP girl that can host, on birth control, no handler, and no STIs that's called a win. At a minimum keep her in your back pocket when you hit a dry spell.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChristianTroy;7533134]Has anyone had any experience with her: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/59ba81ab-3578-4f26-8b47-b753ac8c4f54[/URL].

She seems to be perpetually online, which is never a good sign, but I like her look. Curious if there's any prior lore.[/QUOTE]I spoke with her on snap last year. She sent me some nudes but then stopped responding. I don't think we even spoke about details. As time went on I forgot about her. I may try to reach out and see.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter818;7534342]I spoke with her on snap last year. She sent me some nudes but then stopped responding. I don't think we even spoke about details. As time went on I forgot about her. I may try to reach out and see.[/QUOTE]Same here. Talked to indigo briefly a few months back. We texted and planned to meet and agreed on ppm. I texted her like a week later asking if she was still on for that week. She simply texted: "I'm done, bye," and I never heard from her again, LOL. It was strange, haha. Shame, she's definitely real and Pretty. Saw her Instagram and she has hundreds of thousands of followers actually; making videos about real estate.

Crypt keeper is looking for some D fellas!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6313f70e-ac8e-4a0e-bef6-18d514b235ca[/URL]

Jackie.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e6316f70-b9e1-44f3-91c5-dd7ed8cca91e[/URL]

300 ppm atrocious coms.

Faye.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2baf8591-eb6e-4465-9610-d85d9c031764[/URL]

400 ppm atrocious coms.

Nina.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/960604b4-6fe5-4774-94f9-56ab69937c37b[/URL]

500 ppm coms great then went to shith.

Drezia.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f8a7e577-f7fe-485c-8436-bea2cc6c3f0eH[/URL]

3-400 ppm again coms great but the went to shit.

I had a few more but not sharing yet. Also on the atrocious communication thing it absolutely could be me. I am Really blunt and direct. And also if I can't get everything out in one texting exchange you know ppm how long and everything else I block it it's been 24 hours.

Dingo out.

[QUOTE=Marmong;7534732]Crypt keeper is looking for some D fellas!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6313f70e-ac8e-4a0e-bef6-18d514b235ca[/URL][/QUOTE]She's not afraid to put it out there.

[QUOTE=Marmong;7534732]Crypt keeper is looking for some D fellas!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6313f70e-ac8e-4a0e-bef6-18d514b235ca[/URL][/QUOTE]Lmao looks like the Baron from What we do in the Shadows.