I will be visiting Seattle and staying near Pike Place Market. Are there any good spots nearby?
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I will be visiting Seattle and staying near Pike Place Market. Are there any good spots nearby?
Using 80's lingo.
I love how people want to treat trafficked women as human beings. How generous.
These women do not care one bit. They just want to money.
[QUOTE=Barnie;7447548]Using 80's lingo.
I love how people want to treat trafficked women as human beings. How generous.
These women do not care one bit. They just want to money.[/QUOTE]There may be shops employing trafficked girls, but the girls in the shops I visit are not trafficked but work voluntarily as independent contractors. They come voluntarily and knowingly to the US for the purpose of engaging in this work, choose their places of operation, come and go as they please, and choose when to return to their home countries.
Under the strict technical legal definitions of "trafficking" any of those girls traveling around to different shops, even as an independent contractor, is technically being "trafficked".
I've gotten enough personal cell numbers of girls from shops over the years that I'm doubtful that very many girls working at MPs are "trafficked" in the sense of being held against their will and forced to fuck.
Sure, it's possible, but the vast majority of girls I've gotten to know in these shops are unequivocally not tra**icked. She owns her own car and personal phone, has a tax I'd number and a student visa, goes to school, comes and goes on her own as she pleases, has a key to the shop for open and close. It's like saying a stripper is tra**icked because she pays a "stage fee", and only works because she needs to support her kid.
[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;7448120]Under the strict technical legal definitions of "trafficking" any of those girls traveling around to different shops, even as an independent contractor, is technically being "trafficked".
I've gotten enough personal cell numbers of girls from shops over the years that I'm doubtful that very many girls working at MPs are "trafficked" in the sense of being held against their will and forced to fuck.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kinkaid69;7448130]Sure, it's possible, but the vast majority of girls I've gotten to know in these shops are unequivocally not tra**icked. She owns her own car and personal phone, has a tax I'd number and a student visa, goes to school, comes and goes on her own as she pleases, has a key to the shop for open and close. It's like saying a stripper is tra**icked because she pays a "stage fee", and only works because she needs to support her kid.[/QUOTE]Yes. I think I was trying to point out precisely what you illustrate so clearly, that their participation is consensual rather than forced. As such it really is two people voluntarily transacting, and you can choose to do this in a way that involves your shared humanity or not. I think it is a significant oversimplification to say the girls "just want the money". Of course that's their primary motivation. But they also want to be treated with at least some measure of dignity and kindness. Some people on these boards complain all the time about getting bad service. Others, like krdoggy, are consistently touting the excellent service they receive. I'm sure even he has the occasional bad visit, but in large measure at the better shops you get what you give. The best girls know they're in a service profession and that good service means repeat customers and good reviews. They're not all the same. Some do have bad attitudes. Some probably hate men. But most in my experience are actually trying to do a good job at their chosen line of work, and if you're kind and clean things are usually going to go well.
I definitely have my share of bad ones but I think I have said this before I don't tend to share until I give the shop a chance to make up for it. Bad reviews really have a disproportionate effect, and I want things to get better not run these places out of business. Now I have way fewer bad experiences these days because I am mostly going to places I trust, I try hard to cultivate management so they know what I am after.
Calling these girls "trafficked" is a ridiculous stretch, I'm well aware they are here primarily for money (and I am coming to bust a nut), but I know for a fact some of them enjoy me and I like them back, in or out of the MP. I try hard to be a relatively pleasant experience for them in an otherwise not so fun day. These guys that get off treating them as meat have hangups that are just too boring for me to contemplate.
[QUOTE=Gibs789;7448202]Yes. I think I was trying to point out precisely what you illustrate so clearly, that their participation is consensual rather than forced. As such it really is two people voluntarily transacting, and you can choose to do this in a way that involves your shared humanity or not. I think it is a significant oversimplification to say the girls "just want the money". Of course that's their primary motivation. But they also want to be treated with at least some measure of dignity and kindness. Some people on these boards complain all the time about getting bad service. Others, like krdoggy, are consistently touting the excellent service they receive. I'm sure even he has the occasional bad visit, but in large measure at the better shops you get what you give. The best girls know they're in a service profession and that good service means repeat customers and good reviews. They're not all the same. Some do have bad attitudes. Some probably hate men. But most in my experience are actually trying to do a good job at their chosen line of work, and if you're kind and clean things are usually going to go well.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KrDoggy;7448386]I definitely have my share of bad ones but I think I have said this before I don't tend to share until I give the shop a chance to make up for it. Bad reviews really have a disproportionate effect, and I want things to get better not run these places out of business. Now I have way fewer bad experiences these days because I am mostly going to places I trust, I try hard to cultivate management so they know what I am after.
Calling these girls "trafficked" is a ridiculous stretch, I'm well aware they are here primarily for money (and I am coming to bust a nut), but I know for a fact some of them enjoy me and I like them back, in or out of the MP. I try hard to be a relatively pleasant experience for them in an otherwise not so fun day. These guys that get off treating them as meat have hangups that are just too boring for me to contemplate.[/QUOTE]Well said. To a large extent we make our own luck. This is how to generate good spa karma.