"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I'm posting to Richmond because of the relatively high activity of this thread even though it's not a regional topic. In various city threads, I've seen reviews of girls I've had for the 150-250 range being reviewed at the 300-400 mark (or at least that was their ask). You don't have to pay these amounts, and you shouldn't unless it is an overnight or weekend stay, or there is some other special circumstance.

I suspect the over-paying might be happening because we get impatient when we think with our secondary heads. The way to win at sugaring is to play the long game and use timing to your advantage. It's not an auction and it's not like buying a home. With a house, you stand the risk of losing the opportunity to own the house if someone bids slightly higher. This is not the case with girls. I low ball offer girls all the time and I'm surprised at how many say yes initially. More often, they suddenly go silent with the low ball offer. I let it simmer, then later they contact me later with acceptance. Patience pays off! They don't always reach out again, but once a large enough network is built, it doesn't matter that some get away. Sometimes girls who wanted 800 text me 2-3 weeks later with a change of heart once reality set in. Meanwhile there is always some poor chump out there somewhere who probably paid 500 and thought he got a deal. Don't be the chump!

[QUOTE=PeteMc;4255564]I'm posting to Richmond because of the relatively high activity of this thread even though it's not a regional topic. In various city threads, I've seen reviews of girls I've had for the 150-250 range being reviewed at the 300-400 mark (or at least that was their ask). You don't have to pay these amounts, and you shouldn't unless it is an overnight or weekend stay, or there is some other special circumstance.

I suspect the over-paying might be happening because we get impatient when we think with our secondary heads. The way to win at sugaring is to play the long game and use timing to your advantage. It's not an auction and it's not like buying a home. With a house, you stand the risk of losing the opportunity to own the house if someone bids slightly higher. This is not the case with girls. I low ball offer girls all the time and I'm surprised at how many say yes initially. More often, they suddenly go silent with the low ball offer. I let it simmer, then later they contact me later with acceptance. Patience pays off! They don't always reach out again, but once a large enough network is built, it doesn't matter that some get away. Sometimes girls who wanted 800 text me 2-3 weeks later with a change of heart once reality set in. Meanwhile there is always some poor chump out there somewhere who probably paid 500 and thought he got a deal. Don't be the chump![/QUOTE]200 is a fortune to some of these girls. After taxes, they would need to work 20+ hours at a retail or service job to earn that much. An hour (or less) of random dick is much preferred for many of them.

YouTube and Reddit postings are what makes these girls think they should be getting 500. We shouldn't feed that delusion. For 500, you could get a model in Miami.

I am asking for advice / experience among Google Voice users. I frequently access my texts from the webpage voice. [URL]google.com[/URL]. It has 3 tabs, messages, calls, and voicemails. When you go to calls, you can see all of those you made or received. If you click one of those, you receive a message that it will try to call that # and to provide a # where it can connect you. My question is, do you think this is blinded from the other caller? In other words, I am sitting at home or in my office, could I use this to have a call w / a SB from my landline but have it appear to her as if it is coming from my GV #?

I don't know the answer to FarFarAway's question, but it prompted one of my own. I use Gmail and Google Voice to contact the SB's. Google Voice is tied to my burner number. So I give the girls my GV number to text me, nad usually read the texts on my computer, not on my burner. GV has not connection to me, burner was bought with cash, prepaid TracFone that I pay with debit cards I bought for cash. I use a VPN to log onto Gmail and Google Voice.

Lately, almost every time I try to log into Gmail, it tells me that it doesn't recognize the device I am using, and wants to authenticate me with a text to the number on file, which is my burner number (note, I did NOT opt into two factor authentication as a regular thing). Sometimes Gmail gives me the option to authenticate by another method, like confirming the email I used to register or the phone number on my burner. But usually, the only option is to get a text with a security code. No doubt the reason Gmail doesn't recognize me is that the VPN is using a different IP address every time. Funny thing is, this never bothered Gmail until recently.

Using a text to authenticate is a pain in the ass for me. When I am at home, my burner is normally stashed in a very very safe place, and I don't want to have to dig it up a few times a day to check texts.

Anyone else have this problem? Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4256482]I don't know the answer to FarFarAway's question, but it prompted one of my own. I use Gmail and Google Voice to contact the SB's. Google Voice is tied to my burner number. So I give the girls my GV number to text me, nad usually read the texts on my computer, not on my burner. GV has not connection to me, burner was bought with cash, prepaid TracFone that I pay with debit cards I bought for cash. I use a VPN to log onto Gmail and Google Voice.

Lately, almost every time I try to log into Gmail, it tells me that it doesn't recognize the device I am using, and wants to authenticate me with a text to the number on file, which is my burner number (note, I did NOT opt into two factor authentication as a regular thing). Sometimes Gmail gives me the option to authenticate by another method, like confirming the email I used to register or the phone number on my burner. But usually, the only option is to get a text with a security code. No doubt the reason Gmail doesn't recognize me is that the VPN is using a different IP address every time. Funny thing is, this never bothered Gmail until recently.

Using a text to authenticate is a pain in the ass for me. When I am at home, my burner is normally stashed in a very very safe place, and I don't want to have to dig it up a few times a day to check texts.

Anyone else have this problem? Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]I get you. I have had similar problems just in the past week, it asks me to do a Captcha about every other time I log in. One key is the browser / VPN you use. I definitely never use Tor to get onto the GV webpage. It sees a different IP address and makes you authenticate all over again, as you describe. I am using the Epic browser specifically, it has a free, built-in VPN. You can select where the exit node is among half a dozen options. B / c it should be the same each time, it looks to google as if you are in the same place you were last time, so you shouldn't need to be authenticated again. At least, that's the theory.

Dogbert, any time Google gets suspicious of your identity, it will ask you to confirm it's you, either by text or a secondary email. Logging in from anther IP that it has never seen you on before, probably in another country, will most likely trigger it. It's been like that for years and it's normal. You're probably just now seeing it because your VPN provider has probably procured some new IPs in new localities.

FFA, only one way to find out. Call yourself and see what shows up on the caller I'd. My guess is it will be your GV#.

I use textnow. It has its issues but can be done on desktop and on the burner, and in a mobile web browser which is important to me since I often do not have the burner with me. You can also make free calls on it using the burner from the app.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;4257058]Dogbert, any time Google gets suspicious of your identity, it will ask you to confirm it's you, either by text or a secondary email. Logging in from anther IP that it has never seen you on before, probably in another country, will most likely trigger it. It's been like that for years and it's normal. You're probably just now seeing it because your VPN provider has probably procured some new IPs in new localities.

FFA, only one way to find out. Call yourself and see what shows up on the caller I'd. My guess is it will be your GV#.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4256482]I don't know the answer to FarFarAway's question, but it prompted one of my own. I use Gmail and Google Voice to contact the SB's. Google Voice is tied to my burner number. So I give the girls my GV number to text me, nad usually read the texts on my computer, not on my burner. GV has not connection to me, burner was bought with cash, prepaid TracFone that I pay with debit cards I bought for cash. I use a VPN to log onto Gmail and Google Voice.

Lately, almost every time I try to log into Gmail, it tells me that it doesn't recognize the device I am using, and wants to authenticate me with a text to the number on file, which is my burner number (note, I did NOT opt into two factor authentication as a regular thing). Sometimes Gmail gives me the option to authenticate by another method, like confirming the email I used to register or the phone number on my burner. But usually, the only option is to get a text with a security code. No doubt the reason Gmail doesn't recognize me is that the VPN is using a different IP address every time. Funny thing is, this never bothered Gmail until recently.

Using a text to authenticate is a pain in the ass for me. When I am at home, my burner is normally stashed in a very very safe place, and I don't want to have to dig it up a few times a day to check texts.

Anyone else have this problem? Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]If you are in the same location with your burner as your WiFi router or regular cell phone, Google totally has you connected with all other devices and / or logins.

It's not 2005. There is no hiding from Google at this point.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4256982] I am using the Epic browser specifically, it has a free, built-in VPN. You can select where the exit node is among half a dozen options. B / c it should be the same each time, it looks to google as if you are in the same place you were last time, so you shouldn't need to be authenticated again. At least, that's the theory.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4257381]I use textnow. It has its issues but can be done on desktop and on the burner, and in a mobile web browser which is important to me since I often do not have the burner with me. You can also make free calls on it using the burner from the app.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips guys, will definitely look into these. Probably try the Epic browser accessed through my VPN (TunnelBear). Can't have too much online security.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;4257058]

FFA, only one way to find out. Call yourself and see what shows up on the caller I'd. My guess is it will be your GV#.[/QUOTE]Weird. So I did it on a work computer. I entered the hard # that is on my burner in GV. Rather than messaging me that it would call my number, the page asked to open the microphone on the computer. I clicked yes and it starts to dial. The caller I'd on the burner shows the GV #. So, that would have been what I wanted if I didn't have my burner with me.

This one scammed a friend of mine recently. Did a cash and dash.

Buyer beware.

She is in Fredericksburg.

So I have been texting a college freshmen for over a month now without meeting face to face. She says she hasn't met anyone from Seeking yet and indeed her online status shows she hasn't logged in within the last 3 weeks. As one would expect she was a bit over whelmed from the number of and the content of some of the messages she got. Her story is pretty much the same as many. Bored with the immature guys her age and out of money with no summer job lined up yet. Seems as I have made the final cut of men she is still chatting with from her contacts on Seeking.

This morning she asked me the same question she asked a month ago. Why was I contacting 18 year olds and not older women? My age shows as 57 on SA. I pretty much repeated what I said when I first messaged her that I found women who have been on SA a long time to be just looking for the guy with deepest pocket and not so much interested in a connection. I added this time that since we have been chatting back and forth several times weekly that we had found some common interests that spans our age difference. The fact that were are still chatting and neither of us has moved on says that we should make that last step and meet up once school is out next week. She agreed and said she was ready for a summer of fun with me. No mention of money in any of our previous messages and I made it clear back when we were messaging through SA that I expected intimacy in an arrangement. So I really expected her to not ever meet and be just another who just liked to talk.

I am curious what you guys that regularly have success with the young ones are doing to seal the deal with them. At least with this one, I think I was the Last Man Standing or was the one who didn't push the issue and let her seek me in the end.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4255973]I am asking for advice / experience among Google Voice users. I frequently access my texts from the webpage voice. [URL]google.com[/URL]. It has 3 tabs, messages, calls, and voicemails. When you go to calls, you can see all of those you made or received. If you click one of those, you receive a message that it will try to call that # and to provide a # where it can connect you. My question is, do you think this is blinded from the other caller? In other words, I am sitting at home or in my office, could I use this to have a call w / a SB from my landline but have it appear to her as if it is coming from my GV #?[/QUOTE]You do not even need GV app or web site to make a call using your GV # from any phone dial your GV # and while the Google greeting is playing press 2 to a make a call and follow the instructions. I do not have a PIN set up and my GV # is on speed dial on my "main" phone so it is just 2 button presses before I can dial any US number for free! Of course I delete the call to my GV # from the phone history after the call.

What payment method is currently used, I read reports that the Visa vanilla cards no longer work?

[QUOTE=Grafenberg;4263455]What payment method is currently used, I read reports that the Visa vanilla cards no longer work?[/QUOTE]I used a One Vanilla gift card yesterday with no problems. Just go on One Vanilla website and register an email for the gift card first. I have been doing this every month without any issues, don't know why others are reporting it doesn't work.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;4263183]You do not even need GV app or web site to make a call using your GV # from any phone dial your GV # and while the Google greeting is playing press 2 to a make a call and follow the instructions. I do not have a PIN set up and my GV # is on speed dial on my "main" phone so it is just 2 button presses before I can dial any US number for free! Of course I delete the call to my GV # from the phone history after the call.[/QUOTE]As long as you scrub the call logs and text messages of all GV activity immediately after use. Of course the carrier will have a record and if there is a chance that someone e. G. SO may review then better to use a burner.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4262941]So I have been texting a college freshmen for over a month now without meeting face to face. She says she hasn't met anyone from Seeking yet and indeed her online status shows she hasn't logged in within the last 3 weeks. As one would expect she was a bit over whelmed from the number of and the content of some of the messages she got. Her story is pretty much the same as many. Bored with the immature guys her age and out of money with no summer job lined up yet. Seems as I have made the final cut of men she is still chatting with from her contacts on Seeking.

This morning she asked me the same question she asked a month ago. Why was I contacting 18 year olds and not older women? My age shows as 57 on SA. I pretty much repeated what I said when I first messaged her that I found women who have been on SA a long time to be just looking for the guy with deepest pocket and not so much interested in a connection. I added this time that since we have been chatting back and forth several times weekly that we had found some common interests that spans our age difference. The fact that were are still chatting and neither of us has moved on says that we should make that last step and meet up once school is out next week. She agreed and said she was ready for a summer of fun with me. No mention of money in any of our previous messages and I made it clear back when we were messaging through SA that I expected intimacy in an arrangement. So I really expected her to not ever meet and be just another who just liked to talk.

I am curious what you guys that regularly have success with the young ones are doing to seal the deal with them. At least with this one, I think I was the Last Man Standing or was the one who didn't push the issue and let her seek me in the end.[/QUOTE]So, texting for that long is a no-no for me. Its just a never ending cycle of messages I've found and I never want to feel like I "wore her down" in regards to finally meeting. I ask for a meeting asap, I don't discuss ANYTHING if we aren't face to face. Example, I re-upped on SA for the summer push and sent out my flood of initial messages. Of those that returned, one mentions that she's a little tired from a long weekend "blah blah blah", I simply ask to meet for coffee on her lunch break to help give her a boost for the rest of her shift. We meet at starbucks, have some conversations around what we both want / looking for etc. She goes and finishes her shift, about an hour later she sends a message saying she thinks we connected, I ask if she wants to visit me after work. End of the story spent 2 hours in the FC, same day.

I don't have the time to spend a month or two bouncing back and forth with them and they expect you to be in control of the situation because you're older.

[QUOTE=Grafenberg;4263455]What payment method is currently used, I read reports that the Visa vanilla cards no longer work?[/QUOTE]It was a fixed $ amount card, not one that you reload. That might make a differencer.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4264437]It was a fixed $ amount card, not one that you reload. That might make a differencer.[/QUOTE]Likewise, I always use a fixed dollar amount card, maybe that is the difference.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4263963]I used a One Vanilla gift card yesterday with no problems. Just go on One Vanilla website and register an email for the gift card first. I have been doing this every month without any issues, don't know why others are reporting it doesn't work.[/QUOTE]I agree.

Vanilla cards work 100% of the time if you use them properly.

Buy the $100 card, not the variable amount cards, not the reloadable card. Register it on the Vanilla website using any information you want. Just make sure to use a real Zip Code.

Then go to SA and apply payment using the same information you used to register on Vanilla's site.

When you finish, the card will have $10 left on it. Take the card to a gas station and swipe it. The pump will let you drain the remaining balance in gas.

If you haven't discovered this podcast, it is like a PHD into the inner sexual thoughts of two hot twenty somethings. There's a ton of info you can use to up your Sugaring game.

Call Her Daddy is a podcast of two very sexual young beauties living in NYC. Their topics range from how girls can give a life changing BBBJ, tips for guys to becoming a master at eating pussy, to a variety of other subjects.

They mention sugaring some but it's not the main topic. I like that they promote having a BF & SD. That being pampered by a SD isn't cheating, but don't tell your BF. That increases the fish in the sea for us.

Having had a gorgeous SB with a live in BF who eventually became her fiancé, I'm all for that. Heck, we even stayed together eight months after she got engaged! I loved that she was so open with me about him. I even met him a couple of times sitting at the bar in the restaurant where she waitressed. He wouldn't have guessed in a million years when talking to me, that I had been with her for five hours in my hotel suite, earlier that day, popped three times in her ass! She was less than half my age.

One of the most valuable ones for me was about texting tricks, use of Instagram as a trolling tool, how to get your girl to do BGG, three way, etc.

I've literally messed up more than once with Babies due to my texting style, too needy. This advice would have been gold to me.

The podcasts are funny as shit, I love listening to them on long drives. Hope the link works. I'm about half way through.

Be sure to start at episode one. About 5 or 6 in they got hired by Barstool Sports.

[URL]https://podtail.com/en/podcast/call-her-daddy/[/URL]

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4265619]If you haven't discovered this podcast, it is like a PHD into the inner sexual thoughts of two hot twenty somethings. There's a ton of info you can use to up your Sugaring game.

Call Her Daddy is a podcast of two very sexual young beauties living in NYC. Their topics range from how girls can give a life changing BBBJ, tips for guys to becoming a master at eating pussy, to a variety of other subjects.

They mention sugaring some but it's not the main topic. I like that they promote having a BF & SD. That being pampered by a SD isn't cheating, but don't tell your BF. That increases the fish in the sea for us.

Having had a gorgeous SB with a live in BF who eventually became her fianc, I'm all for that. Heck, we even stayed together eight months after she got engaged! I loved that she was so open with me about him. I even met him a couple of times sitting at the bar in the restaurant where she waitressed. He wouldn't have guessed in a million years when talking to me, that I had been with her for five hours in my hotel suite, earlier that day, popped three times in her ass! She was less than half my age.

One of the most valuable ones for me was about texting tricks, use of Instagram as a trolling tool, how to get your girl to do BGG, three way, etc.

I've literally messed up more than once with Babies due to my texting style, too needy. This advice would have been gold to me.

The podcasts are funny as shit, I love listening to them on long drives. Hope the link works. I'm about half way through.

Be sure to start at episode one. About 5 or 6 in they got hired by Barstool Sports.

[URL]https://podtail.com/en/podcast/call-her-daddy/[/URL][/QUOTE]Have a 45 min commute each day there and back so this will be great to pick up some pointers on! Thanks for the link!

Anyone else having problems logging into SA today. I keep getting a message that login from my network is temporarily restricted.

I am having the same issue. Looks like the site is temporarily down.

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;4265999]Anyone else having problems logging into SA today. I keep getting a message that login from my network is temporarily restricted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4266013]I am having the same issue. Looks like the site is temporarily down.[/QUOTE]Try WiFi.

They know the issue.

I tried to contact their customer service.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/help/faq[/URL]

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;4265999]Anyone else having problems logging into SA today. I keep getting a message that login from my network is temporarily restricted.[/QUOTE]I got the same message just now:

"Sorry, login from this network is temporarily restricted. Please try again later, or use a different network. For further information, contact customer support. ".

I always login using Chrome Incognito mode using a VPN (TunnelBear) with a US IP address. I am wondering if the VPN is a problem? Are other people getting the same message without using a VPN?

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;4265999]Anyone else having problems logging into SA today. I keep getting a message that login from my network is temporarily restricted.[/QUOTE]I just logged in, guess they didn't get busted after all!

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4266162]I just logged in, guess they didn't get busted after all![/QUOTE]I'm sure if they do get taken down someday, everyone gets a refund LOL.

In the last several weeks, I've had as many last-minute ghosts as I've had the prior five years I've been on SA. There's no particular pattern that I can see. One I had been talking to for a couple of weeks, and we were supposed to meet for lunch and then move to a hotel if we liked each other; my last text from her was the night before the proposed meeting, but the next morning, she didn't respond to texts, and I haven't heard from her since, although she's been on SA. One had given me the address of her apartment and told me to text her when I was there. I texted her from the parking lot, and she told me what apartment to ring. I rang a few times and got no response. I left, and about two hours later got a text asking me what had happened. The most recent was just an M&G at a restaurant. We had been trying to set something up for a couple of weeks, and we texted back and forth confirming the time and place the morning of; I went to the restaurant and waited for almost 30 minutes before ordering food for myself and having a solo lunch. Each of these incidents involved arranged times and places, and the latter two involved my actually going to the appointed place. I'm wondering whether I'm just having bad luck (fortunately, I've also had some good luck recently, too), or whether there's some kind of new sport where girls play games like this to feel like they have some power.

These events are more serious than the regular ghosting that occurs when someone you've been talking to stops responding to your messages. These cases involved my arranging time off of work and a fair amount of time driving around. Has anyone else noticed such a pattern?

I've recently got back into the bowl after taking more than a year off. My impression is that Sugaring and Seeking has been growing in popularity with young women. Many more youtube channels and blogs sharing strategies and successes on how to make "easy money" from " Sugar Daddy's" with our giving up any sugar. It's all made SDs seem like impersonal bots that no one should feel bad about wasting their time, misleading them or maximizing the $s they extract.

I see a lot more Platonic Only, Online Only, GPS profiles and straight escorts. I also see a lot more profiles in total. It takes more work to find a good match, but the choice has increased and good matches can still be found. The propaganda has poisoned many potentially good SBs.

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;4266353]In the last several weeks, I've had as many last-minute ghosts as I've had the prior five years I've been on SA. There's no particular pattern that I can see. One I had been talking to for a couple of weeks, and we were supposed to meet for lunch and then move to a hotel if we liked each other; my last text from her was the night before the proposed meeting, but the next morning, she didn't respond to texts, and I haven't heard from her since, although she's been on SA. One had given me the address of her apartment and told me to text her when I was there. I texted her from the parking lot, and she told me what apartment to ring. I rang a few times and got no response. I left, and about two hours later got a text asking me what had happened. The most recent was just an M&G at a restaurant. We had been trying to set something up for a couple of weeks, and we texted back and forth confirming the time and place the morning of; I went to the restaurant and waited for almost 30 minutes before ordering food for myself and having a solo lunch. Each of these incidents involved arranged times and places, and the latter two involved my actually going to the appointed place. I'm wondering whether I'm just having bad luck (fortunately, I've also had some good luck recently, too), or whether there's some kind of new sport where girls play games like this to feel like they have some power.

These events are more serious than the regular ghosting that occurs when someone you've been talking to stops responding to your messages. These cases involved my arranging time off of work and a fair amount of time driving around. Has anyone else noticed such a pattern?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;4266353]In the last several weeks, I've had as many last-minute ghosts as I've had the prior five years I've been on SA. There's no particular pattern that I can see. One I had been talking to for a couple of weeks, and we were supposed to meet for lunch and then move to a hotel if we liked each other; my last text from her was the night before the proposed meeting, but the next morning, she didn't respond to texts, and I haven't heard from her since, although she's been on SA. One had given me the address of her apartment and told me to text her when I was there. I texted her from the parking lot, and she told me what apartment to ring. I rang a few times and got no response. I left, and about two hours later got a text asking me what had happened. The most recent was just an M&G at a restaurant. We had been trying to set something up for a couple of weeks, and we texted back and forth confirming the time and place the morning of; I went to the restaurant and waited for almost 30 minutes before ordering food for myself and having a solo lunch. Each of these incidents involved arranged times and places, and the latter two involved my actually going to the appointed place. I'm wondering whether I'm just having bad luck (fortunately, I've also had some good luck recently, too), or whether there's some kind of new sport where girls play games like this to feel like they have some power.

These events are more serious than the regular ghosting that occurs when someone you've been talking to stops responding to your messages. These cases involved my arranging time off of work and a fair amount of time driving around. Has anyone else noticed such a pattern?[/QUOTE]You're getting catfished.

The person you've been communicating with is watching you show up and wait. They get a thrill out of doing so.

I would never waste a couple of weeks messaging with someone. Just text a few times and set up a meeting. If they don't agree to meet, block and move on. It's just someone who is looking for a texting friend, catfishing you, or whatever.

Anyone serious about an arrangement will meet in person after a few text messages.

Never wait 30 minutes for a date.

Pick a place which has a good view of the entry from the parking lot. Show up early and wait for her to arrive, THEN go in. If she doesn't show, don't go in.

Whatever you do, don't go to a private residence for the first meeting. That's either a catfish or a setup to get yourself into trouble.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4266633]I've recently got back into the bowl after taking more than a year off. My impression is that Sugaring and Seeking has been growing in popularity with young women. Many more youtube channels and blogs sharing strategies and successes on how to make "easy money" from " Sugar Daddy's" with our giving up any sugar. It's all made SDs seem like impersonal bots that no one should feel bad about wasting their time, misleading them or maximizing the $s they extract.

I see a lot more Platonic Only, Online Only, GPS profiles and straight escorts. I also see a lot more profiles in total. It takes more work to find a good match, but the choice has increased and good matches can still be found. The propaganda has poisoned many potentially good SBs.[/QUOTE]I don't find the flaking any worse, it's always been terrible, but the platonic, online, gps, cashapp / venmo scams, are up 10 fold in the last few years. I think for the most part it's just been getting progressively worse, the only specific thing I can point to is when they started allowing online only profiles, there was a step change in lower quality profiles. And the number of escorts on there unquestionably increased after FOSTA.

Several weeks ago I met this 23 yo who was new to SA (I had to teach what is a M&G). With a college degree in a useless field she had a low-wage job and wanted to try cashing in on her beauty. Her boyfriend, from whom I was to be a secret, didn't give her money. Very intelligent girl with an amazing body, one of the best bodies I've ever had sex with.

At the M&G she suggested $200 per visit but she was to think about it. After a couple weeks of chatting and thinking she told me she was very frustrated by the site, with the usual complaint about aggressive guys and "creeps". I'm sure it's none of you gentlemen reading this. She told me I was the nicest guy she had met, but she had a lot of anxiety. So I had an idea which she agreed to: I could date her platonically for a finite time at half price ($100) until she made up her mind. It seems like a good idea for the type of girl I'd like to date.

After just one such date she texted me that she wanted to be my SB and she deleted her account on SA. Unfortunately, then the rinsing began, more proof that nice guys finish last. Her new price was now $300! To seal the deal she sent me naked mirror selfies. Then on the morning of the date she asked for a $100 tip with a promise to come down to $300 on subsequent dates. To the detriment of my anonymous handle's reputation here I confess that I caved in. However, the sex was fantastic, a great memory, and she was very sexual. To make a long story shorter, she subsequently made more financial demands, which I refused, and then she cut me off with a good-bye message saying that if she ever had an SD again, that "what I ask for, I get". I was always polite. I think that basically for the amount of money I am able to spend she didn't like me enough.

On another note, I contacted a previous SB named Mary who had quit me for the Nth time due to moral qualms. In some ways it was a mistake, but I wanted to check on how she was doing because we'd had unprotected sex. I'm responsible that way. She was at first polite and neutral but a few hours later I received a hate-filled diatribe that started with "Slave Master!" (I'm white, she's black) followed by accusations that I had manipulated her and how disappointed she was for "catching feelings" for such a "fucktard" as me, etc. I didn't argue with her but just said I was sorry that I had hurt her. I haven't heard from her in 2 weeks since then and I certainly won't bother her again. Bridges thoroughly burnt!

[QUOTE=Snake27;4267889]Several weeks ago I met this 23 yo who was new to SA (I had to teach what is a M&G). [/QUOTE]No she wasn't.

She was just a pro with a good game.

All of these girls claim to be new to the bowl.

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;4262764]This one scammed a friend of mine recently. Did a cash and dash.

Buyer beware.

She is in Fredericksburg.[/QUOTE]Wanted me to give her money before we met and was indignant that I suggested that after coffee, we can go to a room if everything checks out. I said No, Thanks which made her furious.

:D

From GPS to Psycho to Scammer. Is that all that is out there? It seems to almost everyone that I contact. Whatever happened to the good old days?

In a quest for variety and different experiences. Tried a married baby. Not the best of lookers but fun one time experience. Anyone else have experience?

[QUOTE=Truncated;4267917]No she wasn't.

She was just a pro with a good game.

All of these girls claim to be new to the bowl.[/QUOTE]That's the funny part to me. Since I don't keep my username / account and re-register once every six months, So many of the women who I've either done a M&G with or seen a couple times still claim they're new, etc. One of my SB's from a few years ago that I had a SD / SB + BDSM dynamic reached out to my new profile and claiming she was new, confused and looking for someone to help her navigate through.

With all due respect, I don't think the girl I described in entry 16543 was a pro. I'm 95% sure. I never saw her on SA before nor since, plus you have to give me credit for being the person interacting with and observing her. I did wonder why she offered a deal and then kept trying to increase the price. As far as I can tell, its because she didn't know her market value. There is a stigma and shame involved in being a sugar baby (prostitute) and also a risk (her boyfriend finding out, etc). She even mentioned those things. Also, I have to face it, she probably wasn't that much into me. Now, if you pay someone $1000 they can overcome their qualms, but if only $100 not. Hence, her price was an equilibrium point between those forces and she didn't have the experience to know how to price herself. Hence the iterations on price. She could probably make a LOT of money if she tried. If she comes back on the SA site and I notice it, I can post a link. I wouldn't try for her again myself because I think I need something less fancy / pricey.

[QUOTE=Snake27;4268866]With all due respect, I don't think the girl I described in entry 16543 was a pro. I'm 95% sure. I never saw her on SA before nor since, plus you have to give me credit for being the person interacting with and observing her. I did wonder why she offered a deal and then kept trying to increase the price. As far as I can tell, its because she didn't know her market value. There is a stigma and shame involved in being a sugar baby (prostitute) and also a risk (her boyfriend finding out, etc). She even mentioned those things. Also, I have to face it, she probably wasn't that much into me. Now, if you pay someone $1000 they can overcome their qualms, but if only $100 not. Hence, her price was an equilibrium point between those forces and she didn't have the experience to know how to price herself. Hence the iterations on price. She could probably make a LOT of money if she tried. If she comes back on the SA site and I notice it, I can post a link. I wouldn't try for her again myself because I think I need something less fancy / pricey.[/QUOTE]I've said this dozens of times, the amount she needs above 100-150 is the amount she needs to hold her nose to hang with you. Kudos on reading the situation correctly. Even for 500, almost every girl will hang with you unless you're especially old or unpalatable. This girl had a BF so her needs for you are just as an atm.

One reason I've never pursued anyone in a relationship. You start from a place that I try to avoid, her seeing you as just a source of income.