[QUOTE=SetoMan;7483191]Yeah this is her. I had agreed for 300 and literally in 2 weeks she turned into 700 GPS.
We are the reason GPS exist guys. Its not the girls its other men driving up the prices for nothing.[/QUOTE]What does GPS stand for?
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[QUOTE=SetoMan;7483191]Yeah this is her. I had agreed for 300 and literally in 2 weeks she turned into 700 GPS.
We are the reason GPS exist guys. Its not the girls its other men driving up the prices for nothing.[/QUOTE]What does GPS stand for?
Yep, the juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore.
I don't know where SIMPs get their money to flush down the drain. Maybe they are going into hock. It's pathetic. The scene is ruined. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
[QUOTE=SetoMan;7483185]This is how things are ruined for every single man that comes afterwards.
Now its ingrained in her head that she can just pretend and go eat lunch and can get guys to give her 300.
300 onetime might not be a lot of money for us, but its a f ton of money for them. Most of these girls work at McDonalds / / chipotle, it would take them weeks to make 300.
Now she's gotten the idea that all she has to do is lock in and she can probably get multiple guys to give her 300 for lunch per month.
Why do men do this? Why do they give away their hard earned money for absolutely nothing?
Sometimes I hate men in general for how badly they represent us, making it harder for everyone.
I just had a hot new 21 yr girl I was talking to agree for 300/3 hrs 2 weeks ago but I couldn't pull the trigger for logistics reason.
I come back 2 weeks later and she's now asking for 700 and only 2 hrs.
In just 2 weeks men have priced the fuck out of her.
And its not even that the man who paid her 700 are even laying good pipe and destroying that pussy for hours straight.
Its the same men who will cry on the couch and talk about his problems, while a hot girl is laying in front of him and can't get hard or premature ejaculate and then leave.
That's what I noticed, the people who pay more actually do less. Making it 100 x worse.
And its always they really old men.
Men simply do not know their worth.
I left the game and just came back and its so trash. I did find a new girl for a good $$ and I can do what I want with her.
The issue now is, how long before you guys price her up to 700!
Smh.
We talk about gold pussy syndrome, but most of the time it doesn't originate from the girls. It originates from men putting her on a gold pedestal.
Its our fault. We determine the price.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;7483438]Yep, the juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore.
I don't know where SIMPs get their money to flush down the drain. Maybe they are going into hock. It's pathetic. The scene is ruined. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.[/QUOTE]Despite being in much smaller markets (Charlotte, NC for example) I have had way more success than in ATL. I have my radius set at 60 miles and still have met nothing but flakes. I'm younger and in shape, still almost no women move towards a meet. It's been years since my last arrangement (6) it is without a doubt 10 fold worse. Is it really this bad? Tons of young college girls around yet non want to partake? Very confusing.
[QUOTE=Rabbit56;7483516]Despite being in much smaller markets (Charlotte, NC for example) I have had way more success than in ATL. I have my radius set at 60 miles and still have met nothing but flakes. I'm younger and in shape, still almost no women move towards a meet. It's been years since my last arrangement (6) it is without a doubt 10 fold worse. Is it really this bad? Tons of young college girls around yet non want to partake? Very confusing.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the number of women in the bowl has increased but the number of actual Sugar Babies has (probably) stayed the same, or at least increased at a much lower rate.
I don't think Simps with endless money are entirely to blame. I think the bigger culprit is the efforts by the various Sugar Sites to broaden their marketing.
Seeking is the best example of this, but they're all guilty. SecretBenefits operates a clone site called [URL]luxurydate.com[/URL] which has every Sugar Daddy / Baby profile from it's sugar site ported over to a site that presents itself as "upscale dating". I found this out while chatting with a college girl who was confused when I asked her if she'd been a Sugar Baby before and was VERY confused when I told her she was on a Sugar Baby site. She sent me screenshots, and damned if she wasn't talking to me on LuxuryDate, WTF.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7483299]Your posts reveal a certain, . , ahem, bias. And could not possibly be based on knowledge and facts.
The heart of the sugar world is old guys like me who still enjoy banging youngsters, and youngsters who really like older guys, for a wide variety of reasons that are laid out in these very threads. Read some of them, for Atlanta, for Los Angeles, and the archive of posts for Richmond, VA, which once was the US nexus for sugaring.
If you are negotiating time spent w / a girl, you are booking an escort, not a sugar baby. Likewise, everyone has their dos and don't in bed, but if a girl gives you a 'menu', she's for hire. Not what a SB can be.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't negotiate a time, I go with the flow and only bring it up when I know it would potentially be a issue with the girl. A lot of times I don't even discuss any amount at all. But there are some girls who ask if I do ppm and then I say yes. Most of the time that's all that happens before we meet.
Other times a girl could ask how much and I tell them my amount depending on the girl but never above 300.
The only times where I bring up 3 hours is when I can tell from the vibes of the conversation that they are not going to spend atleast 3 hours then I tell them they must hang out at least 3 hours.
There are times we are watching netflix and its been 2 hours and she says she's ready to go and then I say I always hangout atleast 3 hours. Then they willing stay for the rest of the time.
I like doing this because it sets expectations. There's no bs, no simping. No OMG my manager just called (I had a girl do that once).
Doing things this way protects me and reveals the girls who are truly SBs. So if a girl do stay more than 3 hours, you know they are truly a sugar baby and a keeper.
It helps you weed out without getting fucked over.
I have had girls spend the night or me forcing them to leave because I had other things to do. I have dated young girls off this site. I have gone on week long trips and paid nothing and smashed every night. Requiring at least 3 hours doesn't stop all of that from happening. It actually helps it. Everyone should require at least 3 hours. It prevents fuckups and GPS.
If she's not a true sb, she will still want to jump out at 30 minutes regardless. So making known the time frame is HUGE and helps everyone. Even if you're just taking her to the movies and then fucking. Still require at least 3 hours. Keyword here being "at least".
If every guy operated like me there won't be GPS. I promise you that. I'm not picking on older guys, there are old guys who are still having their fun.
The young guys incels are also to blame for other things. They are fucking it up for us in different ways by giving 10 k, 100 k to onlyfans girls who won't even shake their hands when they finally meet them.
So they are both to blame. But these young guys who are incels are not on seeking they are busy polluting the well indirectly by giving OF girls thousands of money.
But I'm only worried about what's directly affecting me.
If you have been on this site long enough you know a lot of the girls have sugar baby potential when they First signup.
But after they are bombarded by guys, they become GPS or sell pics. I had a girl that was selling 10 seconds video for like 250.
Like ridiculous, and you knew men were buying. Its crazy. Its definitely not the OF incel guys cause they are not on seeking.
Does anyone have any info on this baby? [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9c58f49d-c917-4894-ae9c-19eeff53c4d7[/URL].
I'm suppose to meet up with her this week. Any info would be appreciated!
[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;7483438]Yep, the juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore.
I don't know where SIMPs get their money to flush down the drain. Maybe they are going into hock. It's pathetic. The scene is ruined. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.[/QUOTE]There is a old saying "a woman that can be bought isn't worth having". Well I say "a woman with GPS is not worth it. ".
[QUOTE=SetoMan;7484587]Personally I don't negotiate a time, I go with the flow and only bring it up when I know it would potentially be a issue with the girl. A lot of times I don't even discuss any amount at all. But there are some girls who ask if I do ppm and then I say yes. Most of the time that's all that happens before we meet.
The young guys incels are also to blame for other things. They are fucking it up for us in different ways by giving 10 k, 100 k to onlyfans girls who won't even shake their hands when they finally meet them.
So they are both to blame. But these young guys who are incels are not on seeking they are busy polluting the well indirectly by giving OF girls thousands of money.
Like ridiculous, and you knew men were buying. Its crazy. It's definitely not the OF incel guys cause they are not on seeking.[/QUOTE]"I just had a hot new 21 yr girl I was talking to agree for 300/3 hrs 2 weeks ago but I couldn't pull the trigger for logistics reason.
I come back 2 weeks later and she's now asking for 700 and only 2 hrs. ".
I'll just once again say that you can only be guessing and have no direct knowledge of this. A pretty good study mentions that, like much of the world, OF is a 'winner-take-all' deal. The top girls get most of the $, and those below get crumbs. Truly, a few girls buy houses, but most make less than $200/ mo.
[URL]https://www.unfiltered-management.com/blog/only-fans-income[/URL]
This cannot be what is causing SBs to ask for crazy $.
Men who can drop 10 K on a girl don't need a website to find SBs, porn, escorts, or anything else. They aren't messing up the SB market.
If you want to get a SB at a reasonable price, treat her like a date, not an escort, and not a one-night stand. Before, during, and after the date. There are those who are looking for that, and their ask isn't crazy.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7484896]"I just had a hot new 21 yr girl I was talking to agree for 300/3 hrs 2 weeks ago but I couldn't pull the trigger for logistics reason.
I come back 2 weeks later and she's now asking for 700 and only 2 hrs. ".
I'll just once again say that you can only be guessing and have no direct knowledge of this.
[/QUOTE]This absolutely happened with that girl. Do you want see the text messages?
She even sent me a verification picture that I will include here (left is her / right is her friend).
Not sure why I would lie. This has happened many times over the years.
I even talked about another girl here that went from 300 to over 600 in a span of like 2 months or something.
When I messaged her months later that we agreed on 300 months ago she laughed and said no way.
I then sent her a SS and then she said well that was then, now she doesn't anymore.
No matter what you do the hot ones always get priced up unless you are one of the first to see them, then you lock in at the price you're seeing them for.
If I drove to see that one girl and then saw her one or two times a week, I would have locked her in on the 300. She would have made everyone else pay 600+ other than me.
This has happened many times, girls would tell me that others pay more than me.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7484896]A pretty good study mentions that, like much of the world, OF is a 'winner-take-all' deal. The top girls get most of the $, and those below get crumbs. Truly, a few girls buy houses, but most make less than $200/ mo.
[URL]https://www.unfiltered-management.com/blog/only-fans-income[/URL]
[/QUOTE]This is true but this isn't what I'm referring to. The TOP girls making all the money are making it from a smaller pool of incel young men.
For example Sophie Rain highest spender has given her over $5 million dollars and she has never and will never touch him.
And this isn't rare, this is normal and very common, these incels spend 10 k, 100 k and get nothing in return.
The reason the top girls make so much is that they funnel themselves through streamers by collabs and then use that to get teenage subscribers, etc. (Jack Doherty, neon, etc). Look up bop house.
The "catch me outside" girl Danielle Bregoli made over 1 million 6 hours after her 18th birthday. Yes 6 hours!
And she has made 75 million since.
The people shelling out money to these girls for absolutely nothing are young incels like this.
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/whiteknighting/comments/njpd2a/this_simp_payed_10k_to_meet_a_girl_he_follows_on/[/URL]
They are not us. They are not trying to date / fuck these girls. They would be satisfied just getting a hug.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7484896]This cannot be what is causing SBs to ask for crazy $.[/QUOTE]It absolutely contributes indirectly. OF has hurt the sugar bowl. There's nothing that has had more negative impact on the SB than OF.
Before it blew up in popularity during covid in 2020, I had not ran into a single girl that was selling pictures / videos.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7484896]Men who can drop 10 K on a girl don't need a website to find SBs, porn, escorts, or anything else.
They aren't messing up the SB market.[/QUOTE]We have proof from OF top spenders that the people who spend 10 k, 100 k 1 mil, 10 mill for absolutely nothing are INCELS.
So yes they do affect the SB market even if its an illusion that girls have thinking they can make Sophie rain kind of money.
Then you have other guys who will gladly spend 700+ on girls, there are alot of these people they exist. And my two anecdotes are factual evidence of this phenomenon.
In fact here's a recent comment from a guy proving my point:
"Exactly! I don't mind paying for the sure thing and cutting through the BS, even at $700 it would be an.
Excellent deal considering pros are charging that (or more) per hour! And damn that is awesome for a 21.
Yo regular. I'm talking to some young ones on SB but I am getting serious flake vibes which doesn't really.
Work when you don't have much time to screw around."
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7484896]If you want to get a SB at a reasonable price, treat her like a date, not an escort, and not a one-night stand. Before, during, and after the date. There are those who are looking for that, and their ask isn't crazy.[/QUOTE]That won't stop other guys from offering her 700 is she's young & hot. The only key differentiator here is being one of her first. Has nothing to do with how you treat her. You can treat her as an escort / one night stand and get the same rate she agreed to when she first got on the site. Your treatment isn't what makes her price go up.
[QUOTE=Xcvxxx;7459054]Serious questions regarding girls from seeking I know several will say never fuck one of these girls raw but I'm curious most girls I meet are usually okay with getting fucked raw on first date not sure how it is for you guys but I've seen several girls and most have been ready to let me in raw LOL. Not sure if it's there preference for guys or just everyone gets same treatment idk I ALWAYS USE A CONDOM except for head but Anyways question is.
When or what would you need from a girl to fuck them raw? Asking as a married man just curious.[/QUOTE]As others have said, only YOU can decide how much risk you want to take.
With that said, I've been fucking SBs and UTRs since the Craiglist days. I don't fuck around with the pros or streetwalkers.
I say about 90% of the girls that I have fucked, I fucked them raw and nut inside them multiple times. Always have Plan B pills ready. They are dirt cheap at places like Costco and Sam.
Always during the initial chat, I will ask them if they are clean and tested. I understand that NOT ALL of them will tell the truth, but at least they know you asked about it and it's on their mind. I say most wouldn't lie.
Also, I am a married man with kids.
Hey Gents.
This one has been hitting me up, she looks SO familiar? I reverse image searched nothing. Anybody have experience or recognize her?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c89ac90c-a61b-41d3-80d7-fa19aacc0776[/URL]
[URL]https://images-cdn.seeking.com/49c89418-98be-4863-9d03-4fae274a5c75_2x.jpg?Expires=1767160800&Key-Pair-Id=K3J68CGWWIRG80&Signature=VzeZ7i2bWOqOL7h4Ix4mugq7ymr43lK59wjew9EHkBBX7sxeUNCUB49DEOpHUohZDkkNC3s7z-wqP0gzxNGekM-nDwVStZtn1AUnU3DIvI-~LurplpwBihpSbGL2hxWNtDD9fk7TowKK7eMbQumjKjConM4ZDcmBWnbUQ-B7BMk~JMDz3T-4vaNXfhPWLXtvzVtQJk2cQ1i1qplh7x2vEQx6MbWAd8TBosG7ZuANMrSZAC2tl94Ii3fNj-K7gG3mAMPRjSzjrUI-qXFrzjVw3py5ryANlKjz9bwMzE3~Zva~o5uG1b7kXlSDyTM7iu5WC-OtVr2oWSb6SOZkIfF5SA__[/URL]
[QUOTE=SetoMan;7485484]This absolutely happened with that girl. Do you want see the text messages?
She even sent me a verification picture that I will include here (left is her / right is her friend).
Not sure why I would lie. This has happened many times over the years.
I even talked about another girl here that went from 300 to over 600 in a span of like 2 months or something.
When I messaged her months later that we agreed on 300 months ago she laughed and said no way.
I then sent her a SS and then she said well that was then, now she doesn't anymore.
No matter what you do the hot ones always get priced up unless you are one of the first to see them, then you lock in at the price you're seeing them for.
If I drove to see that one girl and then saw her one or two times a week, I would have locked her in on the 300. She would have made everyone else pay 600+ other than me.
This has happened many times, girls would tell me that others pay more than me.
This is true but this isn't what I'm referring to. The TOP girls making all the money are making it from a smaller pool of incel young men.
For example Sophie Rain highest spender has given her over $5 million dollars and she has never and will never touch him.
And this isn't rare, this is normal and very common, these incels spend 10 k, 100 k and get nothing in return.
The reason the top girls make so much is that they funnel themselves through streamers by collabs and then use that to get teenage subscribers, etc. (Jack Doherty, neon, etc). Look up bop house.
The "catch me outside" girl Danielle Bregoli made over 1 million 6 hours after her 18th birthday. Yes 6 hours!
And she has made 75 million since.
The people shelling out money to these girls for absolutely nothing are young incels like this.
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/whiteknighting/comments/njpd2a/this_simp_payed_10k_to_meet_a_girl_he_follows_on/[/URL]
They are not us. They are not trying to date / fuck these girls. They would be satisfied just getting a hug.
It absolutely contributes indirectly. OF has hurt the sugar bowl. There's nothing that has had more negative impact on the SB than OF.
Before it blew up in popularity during covid in 2020, I had not ran into a single girl that was selling pictures / videos.
We have proof from OF top spenders that the people who spend 10 k, 100 k 1 mil, 10 mill for absolutely nothing are INCELS.
So yes they do affect the SB market even if its an illusion that girls have thinking they can make Sophie rain kind of money.
Then you have other guys who will gladly spend 700+ on girls, there are alot of these people they exist. And my two anecdotes are factual evidence of this phenomenon.
In fact here's a recent comment from a guy proving my point:
"Exactly! I don't mind paying for the sure thing and cutting through the BS, even at $700 it would be an.
Excellent deal considering pros are charging that (or more) per hour! And damn that is awesome for a 21.
Yo regular. I'm talking to some young ones on SB but I am getting serious flake vibes which doesn't really.
Work when you don't have much time to screw around."
That won't stop other guys from offering her 700 is she's young & hot. The only key differentiator here is being one of her first. Has nothing to do with how you treat her. You can treat her as an escort / one night stand and get the same rate she agreed to when she first got on the site. Your treatment isn't what makes her price go up.[/QUOTE]Economics 101 — These women are worth what the market will bear. You can lament that rich professionals with limited time will pay more to land younger ones without the hassle, that OnlyFans is skewing the market, and that incels are paying for plutonic arrangements. But none of the complaints are going to change the market realities. The economy is doing well and more men have money to burn. If we have a big recession with job losses and pay cuts for the professional class, prices will come down.
My last foray into the scene, the only thing I could pull were black girls b / c they are in low demand. And that's a shady move, even though I've found a few good ones in their early 20's ones and paid $200-$250.
Anyway I think I'll try a completely new angle. No more sugarbaby sites. B / c there is no way on gods green earth I'm shelling out $400+ just to get laid with some trashy girl.
[QUOTE=HollowGuy;7484869]There is a old saying "a woman that can be bought isn't worth having". Well I say "a woman with GPS is not worth it. ".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SetoMan;7485484] This has happened many times over the years.
I even talked about another girl here that went from 300 to over 600 in a span of like 2 months or something.
When I messaged her months later that we agreed on 300 months ago she laughed and said no way.
I then sent her a SS and then she said well that was then, now she doesn't anymore.
[/QUOTE]I'm going to be honest with you brother, it sounds like you're mostly interacting with pros, semi-pros, or girls you're treating as such.
I've been in the bowl off and on at least 5 years. I've smashed over a 100 girls at this point, almost all of them in their 20's, all for between 150-300. I've never had a girl I was seeing try to "go up" on our arrangement. But I don't waste time with pros / semi-pros. And like FarFarAway said, "If you want to get a SB at a reasonable price, treat her like a date, not an escort, and not a one-night stand. Before, during, and after the date. There are those who are looking for that, and their ask isn't crazy. " I 100% agree with him. If girls are raising their rates on you, then you're either talking to pros / semi-pros and missing out on the real SBs, or for whatever reason the girls feel your dates are transactional. Never had a girl ask for a higher PPM but had plenty accept less or go down to nothing after a few dates, and even the occasional freebie out the gate costing nothing but a dinner or cheap gift. But any girl I talk to if I get a whiff of GPS, or that she's transactional or a pro I block and move on.
[QUOTE=SetoMan;7484587]Personally I don't negotiate a time, I go with the flow and only bring it up when I know it would potentially be a issue with the girl.
The only times where I bring up 3 hours is when I can tell from the vibes of the conversation that they are not going to spend atleast 3 hours then I tell them they must hang out at least 3 hours.
There are times we are watching netflix and its been 2 hours and she says she's ready to go and then I say I always hangout atleast 3 hours. Then they willing stay for the rest of the time.
Doing things this way protects me and reveals the girls who are truly SBs. So if a girl do stay more than 3 hours, you know they are truly a sugar baby and a keeper.
It helps you weed out without getting fucked over.[/QUOTE]I always mention beforehand that I expect them to hang out for at least a couple of hours. I don't say three hours, because that is often (but not always) too long for me. Once I get off, I'm usually ready for them to leave not long after. It's better to have the most important parts of the date, agreed to beforehand. BBFS or CFS, and how much time. Otherwise you are just rolling the dice, and unless you get off on that, it isn't really smart.
The rest of what you are saying is contradictory. You say you have magical powers to tell from the "vibe" of the conversation if they will spend 3 hrs with you. But if one leaves before that amount of time, it protects you from getting fucked over somehow because now you know she's not a true "keeper". But she already just left early, so you already got "fucked over", by your definition.
Anyway so great, your 180 minute amount of time works for you. Other guys just want 60 min or 120 or a full overnight. And yes some guys are giving these girls $1000 for a couple of hours, because $1 k is nothing to them. That's far out of my price range and I've barely done half of that, but it doesn't make sense to be complain about the whales, and the true players. Who are pricing you (and many of us) out of some segments of the market.
[QUOTE=Doctor Sugar;7485604]Economics 101 These women are worth what the market will bear. You can lament that rich professionals with limited time will pay more to land younger ones without the hassle, that OnlyFans is skewing the market, and that incels are paying for plutonic arrangements. But none of the complaints are going to change the market realities. The economy is doing well and more men have money to burn. If we have a big recession with job losses and pay cuts for the professional class, prices will come down.[/QUOTE]
Yes exactly. It is sad that some dudes are simping, and paying more than they should, but the wealthy guys are paying what they want and we just have to deal with the downstream effects.
[QUOTE=TopGun9;7485563]As others have said, only YOU can decide how much risk you want to take.
I say about 90% of the girls that I have fucked, I fucked them raw and nut inside them multiple times. Always have Plan B pills ready. They are dirt cheap at places like Costco and Sam.
.[/QUOTE]I have had many of the girls take Plan B pill as well, after CIP. They are usually happy to to do it, although some exceptions if they have side effects in the past. However this is all discussed before the date.
But remember that Plan B is not 100%. I know a girl who got pregnant after taking one, and here's what I just googled:
"Plan B (levonorgestrel) is highly effective at preventing pregnancy when taken soon after unprotected sex, reducing the risk by about 75-89% within 3 days, and even more (up to 95%) if taken within 24 hours, but its effectiveness decreases over time and is lower for people with higher Body Mass Indexes (BMI). It works best as soon as possible, ideally within 72 hours.
I'm certainly not saying don't depend on them, but just know the facts. I have my supply that I bought for dirt cheap ($8 each on Amazon), but I am going to try to get a vasectomy early this year to cut down on the risk significantly.
[QUOTE=SetoMan;7485484]In fact here's a recent comment from a guy proving my point:
"Exactly! I don't mind paying for the sure thing and cutting through the BS, even at $700 it would be an.
Excellent deal considering pros are charging that (or more) per hour! And damn that is awesome for a 21.
Yo regular. I'm talking to some young ones on SB but I am getting serious flake vibes which doesn't really.
Work when you don't have much time to screw around."
That won't stop other guys from offering her 700 is she's young & hot. The only key differentiator here is being one of her first. Has nothing to do with how you treat her. You can treat her as an escort / one night stand and get the same rate she agreed to when she first got on the site. Your treatment isn't what makes her price go up.[/QUOTE]You claimed you never negotiated time w / a girl, and I simply quoted from an earlier post from you that you had done exactly that. Keeping your stories straight is a good idea.
I'll just say what I think is a truism from being here for a long time, and no doubt being a lot older than you. Everybody here gets the sugarbowl they're looking for.
If you treat girls like hookers, you'll get those who are responding to your messages and acting like that. If you treat them like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, and you've got Gere's character's dough, you'll get a girl like that. You can make a girl a kept woman. Just pay for the car and apartment and you can have a smoking hot chick exclusive.
I've never had any POT or SB play their OF experience off against me, because I am simply not interested in someone who would have that on their resume. I've never pursued strippers who sometimes show up on the site, because they have a reputation for GPS. When I've learned in talking w / a girl that she's been a kept woman in her past, I move on, because IK once someone has had that experience, it is going to affect their sense of entitlement, and I'm unlikely to be able to fit it into what I can give in sugar. I'm looking for someone I can see ongoing for a reasonable price, and even a 30's MILF is very acceptable (if she's pretty and likes sex) b / c I'm still twice her age. Though I've also gotten lucky w / some who were & my age. Likewise porn stars. Just no interest. And in fact the lore in my local SB thread, for southern California, where there are a lot of them, is that porn stars are some of the worst SB experiences guys have had.
I'm guessing your approach requires "game" effort which requires an ass load of time, and yet you're still paying for sex.
That only makes sense in a vanilla situation.
I'm looking for fun with these girls, and if I'm paying them money, then I shouldn't have to also "game" them other than the bare minimum.
[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7485936]I'm going to be honest with you brother, it sounds like you're mostly interacting with pros, semi-pros, or girls you're treating as such.
I've been in the bowl off and on at least 5 years. I've smashed over a 100 girls at this point, almost all of them in their 20's, all for between 150-300. I've never had a girl I was seeing try to "go up" on our arrangement. But I don't waste time with pros / semi-pros. And like FarFarAway said, "If you want to get a SB at a reasonable price, treat her like a date, not an escort, and not a one-night stand. Before, during, and after the date. There are those who are looking for that, and their ask isn't crazy. " I 100% agree with him. If girls are raising their rates on you, then you're either talking to pros / semi-pros and missing out on the real SBs, or for whatever reason the girls feel your dates are transactional. Never had a girl ask for a higher PPM but had plenty accept less or go down to nothing after a few dates, and even the occasional freebie out the gate costing nothing but a dinner or cheap gift. But any girl I talk to if I get a whiff of GPS, or that she's transactional or a pro I block and move on.[/QUOTE]
This site messes things up sometimes.
I said I had been w / some girls who were one-third my age. The special character got deleted.
[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;7486602]I'm guessing your approach requires "game" effort which requires an ass load of time, and yet you're still paying for sex.
That only makes sense in a vanilla situation.
I'm looking for fun with these girls, and if I'm paying them money, then I shouldn't have to also "game" them other than the bare minimum.[/QUOTE]When you truly have game, opportunities multiply without force. People invite, include, and open doors you never had to knock on. For me, the appeal goes far deeper than surface level pleasure. It's about operating from choice rather than compulsion being driven by intention, not desire.
For me, having game means I'm not ruled by impulse. It means I can explore my fantasies, move through social spaces with ease, and live expansively without excess, without desperation, and without paying an unnecessary price.
[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;7486602]I'm looking for fun with these girls, and if I'm paying them money, then I shouldn't have to also "game" them other than the bare minimum.[/QUOTE]You just described a hooker / prostitute / escort. And that's fine. You can jump on Tryst or dozen other sites, or reach out to one of the agencies, and can absolutely find what you're looking for.
But a SB isn't a hooker. And if you can't understand or figure out the difference, then just stick with hookers. You get exactly what you want, though probably not at the prices you want.
[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;7486602]I'm guessing your approach requires "game" effort which requires an ass load of time, and yet you're still paying for sex.
That only makes sense in a vanilla situation.[/QUOTE]
I'm paying to fuck younger, prettier girls than I would normally be able to at a much higher success rate. Any guy who has spent time on dating apps or hookup apps knows how frustrating they are to deal with. And when you're old or ugly, or in my case both lol, then the only women who will ever match with you are also old and ugly. But I don't want to fuck old and ugly. And I have enough means that I don't have to. But I also don't want a transactional fuck with a dead fish, which let's be honest is most escorts, so I've found SBs to give me access to the hotties I want to fuck, and the sex feels like a fun hookup with a girl I picked up rather than an escort on her 5th John for the night and just wants you to pump and dump and leave.
[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7487345]
I'm paying to fuck younger, prettier girls than I would normally be able to at a much higher success rate. Any guy who has spent time on dating apps or hookup apps knows how frustrating they are to deal with. And when you're old or ugly, or in my case both lol, then the only women who will ever match with you are also old and ugly. But I don't want to fuck old and ugly. And I have enough means that I don't have to. But I also don't want a transactional fuck with a dead fish, which let's be honest is most escorts, so I've found SBs to give me access to the hotties I want to fuck, and the sex feels like a fun hookup with a girl I picked up rather than an escort on her 5th John for the night and just wants you to pump and dump and leave.[/QUOTE]Well said. Despite all the headaches and flakes, it really is amazing that we get to fuck these young attractive women, and BBFS even.
And yes, escorts and hookers have been around forever, but the sb experience can be a a slightly different vibe, or a lot different. I'm still thankful I can somehow CIP some of these girls, that I couldn't even get 20 or 30 years ago.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7487601]And yes, escorts and hookers have been around forever, but the sb experience can be a a slightly different vibe, or a lot different. I'm still thankful I can somehow CIP some of these girls, that I couldn't even get 20 or 30 years ago.[/QUOTE]Hear, hear! I wish I knew then what IK now, I would have been able to get a lot better pussy than I did then, and more of it.
I also understand women a lot better now, and would scored much better w / long-term GFs / wives if I had known it then. I'd have been both more assertive and directive, god they eat that up, regardless of their sociopolitical leanings.
I'd also suggest the 'May-December' "romances", those have been around forever too. It is just that it was hard to find like-minded people before, without websites where one could safely express interest without revealing personal information. Especially so for those of us w / SOs. I mean, if I was running around hitting on 19 year olds in my social circles, it would have gotten back to my SO and I'd have been regarded as a lecher / pedo (actually, the proper term is ephebophile, if you are interested in (legal) teenagers). But on the sites, girls already are stating they have an interest in older, in some cases much older, dudes, so there's no shame in that, and no way my interest in banging a babe comes back on me.
Have you seen any discounts? Share the link?
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7487739]Hear, hear! I wish I knew then what IK now, I would have been able to get a lot better pussy than I did then, and more of it.
I also understand women a lot better now, and would scored much better w / long-term GFs / wives if I had known it then. I'd have been both more assertive and directive, god they eat that up, regardless of their sociopolitical leanings.
I'd also suggest the 'May-December' "romances", those have been around forever too. It is just that it was hard to find like-minded people before, without websites where one could safely express interest without revealing personal information. Especially so for those of us w / SOs. I mean, if I was running around hitting on 19 year olds in my social circles, it would have gotten back to my SO and I'd have been regarded as a lecher / pedo (actually, the proper term is ephebophile, if you are interested in (legal) teenagers). But on the sites, girls already are stating they have an interest in older, in some cases much older, dudes, so there's no shame in that, and no way my interest in banging a babe comes back on me.[/QUOTE]Yes same here, and when I was younger, I was so confused about women, and what they want and find attractive. Now there are Youtube channels and podcasts that discuss it, so young guys today are quicker to figure it all out. But I was just mostly clueless when I was in my 20's-40's. I could have done so much better back then, but I just wasn't smart enough to ascertain the true reality. Oh well, I did try to make up for lost time and not like I totally missed out, with 600+ bodycount, but it is painful and frustrating to think about.
And sure just like CL Casual Encounters used to be a way for the horniest women to congregate and hook up, the Seeking site obviously filters larger society down to the most interested and motivated sugar babies. It's a relatively efficient way to find them, rather than propositioning random waitresses.
You are right that of course the term "pedo" is misused by so many morons out there. Even Epstein was attracted to young post-pubescent women, nothing pedo there. And I will take it farther and say that "ephebophile' is essentially a meaningless and worthless term. Most teenagers are young women, and normal healthy men are attracted to *women*, young and old. Pedo is pre-pubescent child, and I think all of us would agree that only sick, deviant guys would find that attractive. There is no real extra amorphous category between child and adult. But the main point is all of us are attracted to beautiful women. And of course the legal age varies by jurisdiction.
[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7485936]I'm going to be honest with you brother, it sounds like you're mostly interacting with pros, semi-pros, or girls you're treating as such.
I've been in the bowl off and on at least 5 years. I've smashed over a 100 girls at this point, almost all of them in their 20's, all for between 150-300. I've never had a girl I was seeing try to "go up" on our arrangement. But I don't waste time with pros / semi-pros. And like FarFarAway said, "If you want to get a SB at a reasonable price, treat her like a date, not an escort, and not a one-night stand. Before, during, and after the date. There are those who are looking for that, and their ask isn't crazy. " I 100% agree with him. If girls are raising their rates on you, then you're either talking to pros / semi-pros and missing out on the real SBs, or for whatever reason the girls feel your dates are transactional. Never had a girl ask for a higher PPM but had plenty accept less or go down to nothing after a few dates, and even the occasional freebie out the gate costing nothing but a dinner or cheap gift. But any girl I talk to if I get a whiff of GPS, or that she's transactional or a pro I block and move on.[/QUOTE]You have game, but I'll assume you're young by my perspective, which means you can likely pass for 50 or younger. I am 68. When I was in my 40's and early 50's, I would have had zero problem attracting SBs in their 20's. I know this because I occasionally picked-up young women in bars for nothing more than the price of buying them a few drinks. But it's a different scene when you're 68, and every young woman you encounter online at best thinks you look like you're in your early 60's. You are then much older than their father and with some you are the age of their grandfather. Many women on Seeking, SDM, and SB turn me down even though I'm in good shape, have money, drive a new Porsche, dress well, and have all the trappings of being well off. They simply do not want an arrangement with a man 40+ years their senior. And I could not treat them better on the first meeting: dinner at a nice restaurant, no demand for sex, and a small gift of cash all in the hope of something more on the next date. But game or no game, I find it's not so easy for a 24 year old attractive young woman or college age girl to find you of interest unless they are pros or semi-pros of whom I have no interest.
Generally, the only young women who are interested in me are the ones who are single moms and in a difficult financial situation. I'd rate them 6's to 8's on a 1-10 attractiveness scale, usually 10 to 25 lbs overweight. If you have any advice that would assist me with the ones that are in their 20's, hot, no kids, and would be interested in a man my age, please share it with me. I do not have any problems attracting the high end SBs that want 1000 a week, but I think that level of SB arrangement is too rich for my blood. I get nowhere at with half that price with the ones who are young, in great shape, and very attractive.
Can't use Seeking because it blocked me so I am using SDM and SB. If you have any advice for a man my age, I'd be grateful in reading it.
I've had a few reach out to me. Curious if someone has met any of these:
Raven: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/84f17389-f3e8-4f5a-9174-d348e868ea4b[/URL].
Charli: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6daf7889-f50c-416f-84bb-d429d8cdfe91[/URL].
Amy: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/409fddab-9ad9-4e13-a411-ebed7ebafbd8[/URL].
Ashlyn: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cfa921d2-41a2-403c-969f-9c1c541cd77e[/URL].
Cae: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/422caf89-a1c0-4646-b9b5-056c97d856f6[/URL].
[QUOTE=BrownSugaTwo;7488483]I've had a few reach out to me. Curious if someone has met any of these:
Raven: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/84f17389-f3e8-4f5a-9174-d348e868ea4b[/URL].
Charli: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6daf7889-f50c-416f-84bb-d429d8cdfe91[/URL].
Amy: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/409fddab-9ad9-4e13-a411-ebed7ebafbd8[/URL].
Ashlyn: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cfa921d2-41a2-403c-969f-9c1c541cd77e[/URL].
Cae: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/422caf89-a1c0-4646-b9b5-056c97d856f6[/URL].[/QUOTE]You probably going to be the first for anyone of those options LOL.
[QUOTE=CPMachine;7488497]You probably going to be the first for anyone of those options LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, you're likely right. They reached out to me. If someone met one of those and gave a glowing review, I might consider. I'll trade a little in looks for alot in performance.
Just my experience: I am 64, have my pic on three sugar sites and getting good amount of unsolicited hits from young ladies. Lots of scammers too but that's to be expected. I also do my active looking on the sites and reach out to the ones that interest me, some I get and some I don't. That too is what is expected. All things considered, overall, I believe I am doing well. I have had a fair number of young spinners over the last few years from these sites. My average PPM price is 250, the max I ever paid was 400, and that was just one time because I was really attracted to the girl, she had a room, wanted me to bring food and drinks and promise of quality time. She delivered but still not worth that much. (actually it was the 400-pussy price, plus maybe another 40 for the food and adult drinks).
I change my tactics from time to time to get what I want, which is mostly young early twenties age group spinners. Depending on my mood, availability, disposable resources, to get my girls, I have explored the massage parlors, escorts sites, agencies, sugar sites, even street walkers (which I am now retired from), I even tried the cuddling sites and scored a few there as well.
Again, this is just my experience: I recently retired from my job, I used to travel overseas for work and realized that I was enjoying the companies of the ladies much more during my travels than when I monger here in the US. Main reason is the price of pussies where I travelled to and mongered is very cheap compared to what you get in the US. Also, the time you have them at your command is very important to me. That's why, last year, the first full year of my retirement I went on a "tourism" trip to Kenya. I have been there before for work so was a bit familiar with the talent there. I just felt in the mood for some young black spinners. So off I went for a week. I had a blast and did post some of my experience on the international site. Getting ready to head out again soon, maybe to Ghana this time. Later this year me and the wife of 30 years will go to Thailand for her birthday. I will take her there because I know I can still monger even with her there in the country with me. Have been there for work a few times and the place is a monger's Paradice.
Just a suggestion: If you can afford a trip (time and money) even once consider overseas for mongering purposes. It just might be worth it. Again, it's not for everybody.
[QUOTE=Woodswoven2;7488083]You have game, but I'll assume you're young by my perspective, which means you can likely pass for 50 or younger. I am 68. When I was in my 40's and early 50's, I would have had zero problem attracting SBs in their 20's. I know this because I occasionally picked-up young women in bars for nothing more than the price of buying them a few drinks. But it's a different scene when you're 68, and every young woman you encounter online at best thinks you look like you're in your early 60's. You are then much older than their father and with some you are the age of their grandfather. Many women on Seeking, SDM, and SB turn me down even though I'm in good shape, have money, drive a new Porsche, dress well, and have all the trappings of being well off. They simply do not want an arrangement with a man 40+ years their senior. And I could not treat them better on the first meeting: dinner at a nice restaurant, no demand for sex, and a small gift of cash all in the hope of something more on the next date. But game or no game, I find it's not so easy for a 24 year old attractive young woman or college age girl to find you of interest unless they are pros or semi-pros of whom I have no interest.
Generally, the only young women who are interested in me are the ones who are single moms and in a difficult financial situation. I'd rate them 6's to 8's on a 1-10 attractiveness scale, usually 10 to 25 lbs overweight. If you have any advice that would assist me with the ones that are in their 20's, hot, no kids, and would be interested in a man my age, please share it with me. I do not have any problems attracting the high end SBs that want 1000 a week, but I think that level of SB arrangement is too rich for my blood. I get nowhere at with half that price with the ones who are young, in great shape, and very attractive.
Can't use Seeking because it blocked me so I am using SDM and SB. If you have any advice for a man my age, I'd be grateful in reading it.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/04e5be7c-cb93-48a5-8a0e-ae9c6531290a[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/02d3ef1a-fe8d-404a-b103-d98ee7783aca[/URL]
A SB is absolutely a hooker if you are paying her money for sex. You can try to spin it any way you like.
[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7487345]You just described a hooker / prostitute / escort. And that's fine. You can jump on Tryst or dozen other sites, or reach out to one of the agencies, and can absolutely find what you're looking for.
But a SB isn't a hooker. And if you can't understand or figure out the difference, then just stick with hookers. You get exactly what you want, though probably not at the prices you want.
I'm paying to fuck younger, prettier girls than I would normally be able to at a much higher success rate. Any guy who has spent time on dating apps or hookup apps knows how frustrating they are to deal with. And when you're old or ugly, or in my case both lol, then the only women who will ever match with you are also old and ugly. But I don't want to fuck old and ugly. And I have enough means that I don't have to. But I also don't want a transactional fuck with a dead fish, which let's be honest is most escorts, so I've found SBs to give me access to the hotties I want to fuck, and the sex feels like a fun hookup with a girl I picked up rather than an escort on her 5th John for the night and just wants you to pump and dump and leave.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PeterPan;7489559][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/04e5be7c-cb93-48a5-8a0e-ae9c6531290a[/URL][/QUOTE]Aurora— judging by her profile and how much she is online, I'm willing to bet she has GPS prices as high as her namesake borealis. Or she's just trying to sell pictures.
Another SB scrubbed from the bowl and reborn as a wholesome wife to be. Saw her friend she use to run with and when asked about her she said she is married now, pregnant again, new storyline, new costume. It's impressive how some people can archive their past like it never happened, slap on a clean bio, and keep it moving. Guess that's the magic of reinvention. Probably best her husband only knows the edited version. The director's cut was wild.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f2881072-98cc-4edf-8703-2b182aa34809[/URL]
[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;7489932]A SB is absolutely a hooker if you are paying her money for sex. You can try to spin it any way you like.[/QUOTE]Awesome, good to hear you think that. Sounds like you should just cancel your sub to seeking or SDM and just surf Tryst or STG or any of the other escort sites out there. No reason for you to post or complain here, just go straight for the goods you want on an escort site. No muss, no fuss.
Hopefully you'll find an escort you like that meets your budget. There's a lot of options out there. Enjoy!
[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;7489932]A SB is absolutely a hooker if you are paying her money for sex. You can try to spin it any way you like.[/QUOTE]This is a debate that comes up periodically. You might review some of the earlier ones. Have you ever taken a girl out on a vanilla date, a nice meal in a nice restaurant, and figure you were going to get laid that night? So what was she? There's a continuum of what we do for women and what they do for us.
I've made this observation before. My 'per sex' sugar for my wives, I figured it would come out to about 7 K. So definitely stay single and keep your costs low.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7487601]Well said. Despite all the headaches and flakes, it really is amazing that we get to fuck these young attractive women, and BBFS even.
And yes, escorts and hookers have been around forever, but the sb experience can be a a slightly different vibe, or a lot different. I'm still thankful I can somehow CIP some of these girls, that I couldn't even get 20 or 30 years ago.[/QUOTE]Can you clear your inbox for PM?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c148afc0-2e35-4444-a257-b3d0ea9aaeee[/URL]
Been chatting the past few days with this one, she has not seen my pictures and wanted to meet for lunch Thursday, when she gets back in town. Apparently she lives in Florida and has bought a house here that she won't be able to afford without selling pussy at an astronomical 3 k per month. She doesn't do casual sex as she put it and she values herself more than that. There will be a foreclosure in Alpharetta in 3 months for those savvy investors, have fun with her if you got money to burn.
Well I had another Seeking acct blown up and suspended, this time because my prepaid card wasn't accepted. I used a card that I bought online, and it always worked before. But not this time.
What anonymous payment cards are currently working? I just am not going to selfie verify and give them my regular credit card, that is not going to happen. So I could be done with the site, at least for the forseeable future. Both good and bad, but mostly bad, I would say.