"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4231571]Hello,
Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.
What is the latest opinion?
Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.[/QUOTE]I've never payed for platonic meets unless they incurred a transportation cost (like a $15 each way Uber ride, train / bus, brought their car more than 30 minutes etc). I do always buy them whatever food / drink they might want within reason at the meeting location regardless of whether we see each other again. I actually don't do platonic meets anymore (not intentionally, at least) because unless they are expecting to be paid to have lunch or whatever, there is little incentive for them to show up at all. I have also had cases where aunt flo has been used as an excuse to keep the first date platonic, so I've been trying to get better about tactfully communicating my expectations from the first meet.

Just remember that if anyone is paying anything for platonic dates over and above transportation expenses + a courtesy lunch, you're really hurting your own cause. It's just like offering high allowances -- it just drives up market rates and expectations, and once a girl has been getting a high allowance or having her cake and eating it too, it's hard for her to return to the humble and appreciative SB she was when she first signed up for the site. Always be a stickler.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4231607]I think I am with the vast majority here and say absolutely no sugar until action. There are girls on SA that never go to the FC with anyone, and never intend to. If they are hot, they could schedule several meet and greets a day and make a pretty good living without putting out. Don't encourage them. In the long run, you will save yourself a lot of time, and money, by immediately blocking them when they ask for this and just going on the next one. It's like they say in the pick-up artist community, you need to have an abundance mentality and not get fixated on any one girl.[/QUOTE]Well said! When I got in the habit of blocking the obvious time wasters, I was surprised how the time saved benefited me by focusing on finding the next girl. There are girls coming and going all the time in most cities, some of them don't want their profile available for long so they go online for just a few hours until they have a date, and they hide their profile again until either the arrangement with that SD is over (or if the M&G didn't work out they'll be back). They aren't necessary "new" girls all the time, but they are the ones that aren't fucking a half dozen SDs at once, which are the best kind.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4231571]Hello,

Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.

What is the latest opinion?

Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.[/QUOTE]I mostly agree with DogBert on this. $100 for meet and greet is a bit much for me.

Nothing until FC is safer. However, if you can afford losing $100 then go for it. Everyone's budget is different here and to some people $100 is nothing. So, if you think the reward is worth it and that there's a good chance FC is on the table, maybe you take that risk? You need to just go into it with the mindset that you may be paying $100 for a boring 10 minute conversation.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4231571]Hello,

Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.

What is the latest opinion?

Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.[/QUOTE]Once they know you are willing to pay upfront, they can string you along. Same as paying a tiny little bill because you are such a nice guy. No money until the panties hit the floor. I tell those that insist to try their luck on her WYP and I move on.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a4a61fc-8930-4327-adaf-c38b58f62005[/URL]

Anyone have any info on her? We're messaging but she says she stays with her bf so I'm partially inclined to avoid just because of the potential drama.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4231388]In a drawer in my work office is an envelope that contains lotsa cash, prepaid / gift cards, an encrypted jump drive, my burner, some safes and lube, etc. Pretty obvious what that's for. No worries on anything electronic.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, the lube purpose isn't obvious at all to me. I always have some with me, but it could be used for anal, Intro to Anal 101 (finger training), girls that want to get a little messy and get a thigh fucking from behind, tit fuck etc. I've had some that demanded condoms and just weren't skilled orally, and I used the lube to jerk myself off and paste the face.

One might think that with the occasional flaking where the girl just doesn't show up or whatever, the lube would come in handy for masturbatory purposes. I know that was the case when I was younger and had near misses, but it's never the case now. I've now been spoiled by the ease of internet hookups. I'm surprised I can still get hard to a computer screen at all. Something about the feel and aroma of real pussy is what sets me off.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4230380]The number of Alpha Phi girls I've encountered on SA could fill a thumb drive. HOw many of them are actually DTF without a paid M&G. Probably closer to the population that can fit in a phone booth.[/QUOTE]That's what I've figured too. I found one a few months ago who is not on the site anymore because she found a boyfriend. Seems like the hot ones want money for pics or platonic meetings.

[QUOTE=WaterBoi;4232035][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a4a61fc-8930-4327-adaf-c38b58f62005[/URL]

Anyone have any info on her? We're messaging but she says she stays with her bf so I'm partially inclined to avoid just because of the potential drama.[/QUOTE]Been talking to her but only wants casual dates, platonic relationship to start until comfortable due to bf. Moving on.

Avoid this one in RVA as she will blow up your phone with tales of woe and wanting money but not in exchange for sex.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/00bee18b-fbc6-4fb9-9204-bc39546b09cf[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4231776]Once they know you are willing to pay upfront, they can string you along. Same as paying a tiny little bill because you are such a nice guy. No money until the panties hit the floor. I tell those that insist to try their luck on her WYP and I move on.[/QUOTE]On that subject I took a 19 yr old hottie to dinner this weekend and gifted her 100 afterwards as promisedbut got no action (didn't expect it) or even any affection. She wants to take it slowly and let the arrangement develop! I said no thanks by text the next day in a nice way and blocked her mobile #. I was a perfect gentleman, took her to a fancy restaurant and I drove her there in an expensive car etc. Wanted to test the waters with that kind of date but have decided it's not for me. Better to just lock down a not so hot not so young one and go with it.

[QUOTE=ThunderStick46;4232641]On that subject I took a 19 yr old hottie to dinner this weekend and gifted her 100 afterwards as promisedbut got no action (didn't expect it) or even any affection. She wants to take it slowly and let the arrangement develop! I said no thanks by text the next day in a nice way and blocked her mobile #. I was a perfect gentleman, took her to a fancy restaurant and I drove her there in an expensive car etc. Wanted to test the waters with that kind of date but have decided it's not for me. Better to just lock down a not so hot not so young one and go with it.[/QUOTE]Even better to lock down the dinner / M&G with the 19 yr old hottie, WITHOUT promising the 100 or any gift. Once you have her at the M&G, you're in much better position to get her to the next step, whether it's that same night or on the next date. And in especially good position to do so because you haven't invested anything yet, so she knows she needs to take that step in order to get that gift. And at least then, worst case scenario, if she says she wants to take things slow and you decide you don't want to go that route, then you haven't really lost anything.

[QUOTE=ThunderStick46;4232641]On that subject I took a 19 yr old hottie to dinner this weekend and gifted her 100 afterwards as promisedbut got no action (didn't expect it) or even any affection. She wants to take it slowly and let the arrangement develop! I said no thanks by text the next day in a nice way and blocked her mobile #. I was a perfect gentleman, took her to a fancy restaurant and I drove her there in an expensive car etc. Wanted to test the waters with that kind of date but have decided it's not for me. Better to just lock down a not so hot not so young one and go with it.[/QUOTE]I never take an SB to dinner, at most coffee. These girls are brain dead, I can't pretend to be interested in listening to them for more then about 10 minutes. And I always make sure to mention they should leave an hour or two afterward in case we hit it off and want to start an arrangement.

If these girls are going to f*ck, they go into it intending to on the first date. The only reason to do a platonic meet is so they can get comfortable that you're not an ax murderer. But I always push to meet at the hotel first and I'm usually successful.

Don't buy into the SeekingArrangment BS about platonic dates and commitment you need to treat these girls like h**kers. That's what they are, they just don't want to admit it. If there wasn't a stigma around sex for money, every one of these girls would be on eros.

If she was hot and you liked her the way I would've played it is either by text, or in person at next meet (as long as you hadn't promised a 100 gift for that meet too) is to say how much you enjoyed your meeting and totally understand she wants to take it slow and are willing to do that. And whenever she's ready, then you can financially assist her. You make clear that sugar is for intimacy. Do it nicely and make clear that you're willing to be patient, but very clearly implied you just won't pay her social meets.

I'm not sure it would've worked with her b / c to some extent you spoiled her by offering such a large date incentive, that is unless you were planning to give 4 or 5 for a trip to the FC. But if you target 2 to 3 as I do, you basically gave her half to let you buy her a meal. In her head she's got to be thinking finding guys to do that over and over is where it's at, and even if she does FC she probably thinks she should get 5 x that for it, and out of my range.

Everyone's different obviously, personally I don't mind investing time to get them to the FC, I just don't invest money mostly b / c I don't think giving them money for nothing works and is actually counterproductive to getting them to the FC. If they truly want to get comfortable with me though, I'm willing to see them repeatedly socially b / c a 19 yo hottie "9" or "10" is far more exciting to me to get to the FC than some 28 yo "5 or "6. " And if they do dates for no money, then they are sincere and actually think they will eventually FC, and you have that carrot dangling out there of an allowance for FC when she's ready. In my experience, about 75% of the time they get there w / in 2 or 3 meets. The cost is my time and some drinks, coffees, appetizers, etc.

If you do decide to go this route again, the one thing I'd do is offer a much smaller M&G amount. In no case would I ever go above $50, even that's like $25 an hour for feeding them dinner. I get plenty of M&G's and I never offer anything other than gas if they have a drive (and sure as hell not sent in advance). Often even when they ask for money for a M&G they agree to meet without it after I explain my time is valuable too and that I don't get anything out of this. Those are the girls who intend to FC and make money that way. Now in a couple of cases I have done a M&G incentive where I was really interested, but even they immediately agreed to $40 or $50 after asking for much more, and I made clear that paying for that was a one time thing only to see if there was mutual interest in doing more. Anyone who doesn't agree to that amount should be an immediate red flag that they are just professional platonic daters who string guys along thinking they will eventually FC. And yes, that's a thing. At least they if they agree to $40 or $50, then my normal donation amount is 5 x which is plenty of assistance.

[QUOTE=ThunderStick46;4232641]On that subject I took a 19 yr old hottie to dinner this weekend and gifted her 100 afterwards as promisedbut got no action (didn't expect it) or even any affection. She wants to take it slowly and let the arrangement develop! I said no thanks by text the next day in a nice way and blocked her mobile #. I was a perfect gentleman, took her to a fancy restaurant and I drove her there in an expensive car etc. Wanted to test the waters with that kind of date but have decided it's not for me. Better to just lock down a not so hot not so young one and go with it.[/QUOTE]

I always do M&G's but similar philosophy on dinner for several reasons. There's the expense, hate spending 100 on dinner and over an hour with them when I often realize as soon as I sit down I'm not interested, and it's true some of them are torture to talk to so you have to make small talk longer. Many I've met are fun to talk to and interesting, especially when I'm in pursuit, but you never know for sure until you get there. Drinks, coffee, maybe an appetizer at a casual cafe, that's the way to do this. Keep the commitment of both time and money minimal upfront, you can always ramp it up.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4233897]I never take an SB to dinner, at most coffee. These girls are brain dead, I can't pretend to be interested in listening to them for more then about 10 minutes. And I always make sure to mention they should leave an hour or two afterward in case we hit it off and want to start an arrangement.

If these girls are going to f*ck, they go into it intending to on the first date. The only reason to do a platonic meet is so they can get comfortable that you're not an ax murderer. But I always push to meet at the hotel first and I'm usually successful.

Don't buy into the SeekingArrangment BS about platonic dates and commitment you need to treat these girls like h**kers. That's what they are, they just don't want to admit it. If there wasn't a stigma around sex for money, every one of these girls would be on eros.[/QUOTE]

If I am traveling on business, I will sometimes do dinner. I hate eating alone. I normally look for someone a little older that can actually hold a conversation. I also normally try to talk with them on the phone beforehand to make our meeting less awkward and hopefully take it further after dinner. I never give an allowance for just dinner.

Locally. I normally go with coffee or a drink during the M&G. I try to pick someplace quiet so we can talk or has some place we can go for a walk after to talk more candidly about what we are looking for. I also try to find places near a motel so if we have good chemistry we can start the arrangement.

I never give a gift during a M&G. Other than maybe a $20 gas card or a few dollars to cover a babysitter.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4234202]I always do M&G's but similar philosophy on dinner for several reasons. There's the expense, hate spending 100 on dinner and over an hour with them when I often realize as soon as I sit down I'm not interested, and it's true some of them are torture to talk to so you have to make small talk longer. Many I've met are fun to talk to and interesting, especially when I'm in pursuit, but you never know for sure until you get there. Drinks, coffee, maybe an appetizer at a casual cafe, that's the way to do this. Keep the commitment of both time and money minimal upfront, you can always ramp it up.[/QUOTE]

There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4235011]There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.[/QUOTE]1. Many of those contacts are probably fakes trying to dox you for personal information.

See here: [URL]https://www.law.com/therecorder/2018/08/17/sugar-dating-site-seekingarrangment-com-goes-after-alleged-extortion-of-exposed-users/[/URL].

Even though SA sued those companies, the predator alert scams are still going on. You are smart to use a burner phone.

2. I agree about the coffee thing. When I offer coffee and they respond that they don't drink coffee, I take it as a sign that they are too bitchy to bother with.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4235011]There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.[/QUOTE]That, sir is a solid philosophy that perfectly explains how I've lived since turning 40.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4235011]There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.[/QUOTE]I feel your pain on these, but will add a couple of things:

For #1: I just started asking for inclusion of profile name in their first text when I give them the burner number (and most comply if they do text me first -- lately it seems that about 60-70% of the girls I give my number to, end up just responding with their own number, which makes it a non-issue).

For #2: There are a number of reasons people have started announcing their "coffee status" that may have nothing to do with her interest level. One is that for non-coffee drinkers, coming within a few feet of a coffee drinker's breath smells terrible, and kissing them on the mouth is even worse (no offense to coffee drinkers because I used to be one too, but its kind of like the sensitivity to smoke that non-smokers experience). So in some ways she may be sending signals about the preference of who she fucks. Coffee breath is not going to stop me from banging a hot young babe, but it might stop them from banging me. To a lot of younger girls the smell of coffee on a man's breath is a bit like the smell of Old Spice and Ben Gay (reminds them of their grandpa).

Without a paid membership. They used to say 'Upgrade to read', now the POTs message is just there. This is how the site is working, at least this morning, for me. I makes that trick 00 cochran taught us moot. You still can't send a message of course.

Popped on SA this morning and saw that you can now read messages without having an upgraded account. Don't know if this is accidental (it probably is) so if you have any messages in your inbox you want to read but don't want to pay a benjamin to do so get on asap before they discover the glitch haha.

Yaya.

Pretty sure it is just a new ploy to get you back- like you can see the message and really want to reply but cannot without re-joining.

I bet it is there to stay. Or at least as a test to see if it increases re-joining fees!

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;4235310]Popped on SA this morning and saw that you can now read messages without having an upgraded account. Don't know if this is accidental (it probably is) so if you have any messages in your inbox you want to read but don't want to pay a benjamin to do so get on asap before they discover the glitch haha.

Yaya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;4235310]Popped on SA this morning and saw that you can now read messages without having an upgraded account. Don't know if this is accidental (it probably is) so if you have any messages in your inbox you want to read but don't want to pay a benjamin to do so get on asap before they discover the glitch haha.

Yaya.[/QUOTE]You are correct! I just read and replied to someone. But the number of unread messages hasn't changed on the notification bar.

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;4235310]Popped on SA this morning and saw that you can now read messages without having an upgraded account. Don't know if this is accidental (it probably is) so if you have any messages in your inbox you want to read but don't want to pay a benjamin to do so get on asap before they discover the glitch haha.

Yaya.[/QUOTE]I have been reading my messages using the chrome trick, but this obviously works better. But you still cannot reply and most of these dunces are not smart enough to leave contact info even though it is in my profile. And most who do are PROS, not SB's.

#2 often. For me it's if they're above 21 I say a drink, then some say "I don't drink. " Who gives a flying f*ck. Like the point of the meet is to discern your beverage choices, as if any place in town lacks water, soft drinks, juices or coffee.

But the "I want to get to know you first" and "What are you looking for" when it's spelled out in the profile are just the worst. It's like I really have to type this shit out again, can you read, why do we all have profiles? And sure, let's get to know each other via SA messages, that makes perfect sense! Me and the other 50 guys you're messaging with will all send you our horoscopes, favorite colors, movies and whether we prefer boxes or briefs! Then if you actually agree to meet (doubtful) with all that useless information you'll have forgotten and can ask us again in person.

But what has become prevalent in my local market, worse than all that BS, even worse than the stupid platonic profiles, are the online only profiles and gas money scams. The worst is that they work up to it, don't just lay it out there upfront so you can laugh at them and quickly move on like they used to. After exchanging messages, moving to text, and agreeing to meet, they drop it on you. They all have a tank on empty and literally not $1 in loose change she could use to get a half gallon of gas to drive 5 miles, and can't be picked up either! But cashapp something and she's on her way! Or buy a few photos until we can meet so she has gas or gets comfortable with you. As if.

Since it hasn't been mentioned much on this board, I'm guessing this scams haven't yet gone national. But I bet it will.

No exaggeration, five times this week after many texts, "Do you have cashapp?" GFY.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4235011]There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4225083]I'd like to know more about the list? Is it on facebook, or instagram? Email?

To be honest, it sounds a little more organized than these ****** are capable of.[/QUOTE]It's not word of mouth, everything they do is on social media. The List is a list, just like this one. An old SB started it a few years back when she found herself on here. It really took off after Fosta. SA not only got flooded by pros, but it got flooded by undesirable Backpage Johns and the girls banned together. Some of them will swear it doesn't exist and some of them will tell you little bits and pieces about it. I don't know that much about it. I only know the little bit that I know because someone told me I was on it.

[QUOTE=Roxoff801;4235414]But you still cannot reply and most of these dunces are not smart enough to leave contact info even though it is in my profile. And most who do are PROS, not SB's.[/QUOTE]New non-paying members still have 10 free messages as long they don't include contact info. Or old ones who never sent any.

[QUOTE=PeteMc;4235176] There are a number of reasons people have started announcing their "coffee status" that may have nothing to do with her interest level. One is that for non-coffee drinkers, coming within a few feet of a coffee drinker's breath smells terrible, and kissing them on the mouth is even worse (no offense to coffee drinkers because I used to be one too, but its kind of like the sensitivity to smoke that non-smokers experience). So in some ways she may be sending signals about the preference of who she fucks. Coffee breath is not going to stop me from banging a hot young babe, but it might stop them from banging me. To a lot of younger girls the smell of coffee on a man's breath is a bit like the smell of Old Spice and Ben Gay (reminds them of their grandpa).[/QUOTE]This is a really interesting perspective Pete, thanks. I have met plenty of young girls who are totally into coffee, so its not completely a generational thing. Obviously not all of them are and I can see the breath thing being a hurdle for those who aren't. I am going to try a bit harder with the non-coffee crowd, at least if they are good-looking enough, and stop just assuming that they are being bitchy or stupid. Maybe my closure rate will go up a couple percent.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4232556]Avoid this one in RVA as she will blow up your phone with tales of woe and wanting money but not in exchange for sex.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/00bee18b-fbc6-4fb9-9204-bc39546b09cf[/URL][/QUOTE]She dumped her profile and is now on as FabulousKiki. Probably with same story about power being cut off.

[QUOTE=Roxoff801;4235414]I have been reading my messages using the chrome trick, but this obviously works better. But you still cannot reply and most of these dunces are not smart enough to leave contact info even though it is in my profile. And most who do are PROS, not SB's.[/QUOTE]The Chrome trick works for me every time.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4235011]There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?[/QUOTE]I left my phone number with four or five women who hadn't bothered to open my previous messages when my account was expiring. Two months later I get a text from one saying "I just saw your message and are you still interested in meetng?" No name and I didn't have her number first so I have no clue who it is. So asked who was this. She said Sara. Ok, now I've contacted more than a few SBs named Sara both fake and real names. So I am still lost. We texted about 10 minutes and I am hoping she would say something that would jog my memory. Finally she said lets meet at Panera. Fortunately I found the right one in my sent folder and gleaned enough info to be up to speed with her when we did meet a few hours later that day. Moral is archive your messages in case they ever show up again.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4236670]She dumped her profile and is now on as FabulousKiki. Probably with same story about power being cut off.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/42aec4a3-418c-4d46-87a8-47dfa7aca970[/URL]

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4236461]This is a really interesting perspective Pete, thanks. I have met plenty of young girls who are totally into coffee, so its not completely a generational thing. Obviously not all of them are and I can see the breath thing being a hurdle for those who aren't. I am going to try a bit harder with the non-coffee crowd, at least if they are good-looking enough, and stop just assuming that they are being bitchy or stupid. Maybe my closure rate will go up a couple percent.[/QUOTE]I'm sure it's nothing to change your routine over; I don't think its generational either. Millennial were and maybe still are the biggest coffee generation, though the typical millennial girl now is mid-late 20's. I'm mostly hearing about the coffee aversion from the 18-24 crowd. In the last couple of years there were a number of highly publicized (dramatized) coffee health scares. Every now and then I'm sure a high school senior studying current events decides to make "coffee is evil" the theme of her magnum-opus senior project and it has a formative effect on her future (LOL). The only real trend I see is that it's more polarized than it used to be, same as smoking. There was a time where smoker vs non-smoker was merely a preference, but the stigma tightened its grip over time and there are girls that smoke and also girls who won't go near people who smoke, both coexisting in the same age demographic.

OK, OK, I am not about to die, as far as I know, but I am about to kill off my avatar, I mean my profile, on SA. I have been on SA for eight months and have messaged and texted with lots of girls and feel I can refine my approach. Rather than just editing my profile, I intend to let it go inactive when the next renewal comes up, then register a new profile with some differences. Among other things, I plan to put some type of photo in my profile because I think a lot of girls wouldn't consider me without any photos up. This way I will get another crack at some of the hotties who have blocked me or ignored me under my present profile.

I expect I am not the first monger to do this. I am wondering if you guys have any tips or things you wish you had done differently when creating a new profile. I intend to make a list of some of the "ones that got away" so I can look for them under my new profile. Anything else I should be doing?

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4238693]OK, OK, I am not about to die, as far as I know, but I am about to kill off my avatar, I mean my profile, on SA. I have been on SA for eight months and have messaged and texted with lots of girls and feel I can refine my approach. Rather than just editing my profile, I intend to let it go inactive when the next renewal comes up, then register a new profile with some differences. Among other things, I plan to put some type of photo in my profile because I think a lot of girls wouldn't consider me without any photos up. This way I will get another crack at some of the hotties who have blocked me or ignored me under my present profile.

I expect I am not the first monger to do this. I am wondering if you guys have any tips or things you wish you had done differently when creating a new profile. I intend to make a list of some of the "ones that got away" so I can look for them under my new profile. Anything else I should be doing?[/QUOTE]Many of these girls network with each other. They use your name and / or number to chat about you.

If you plan to start a new profile, make sure you use a different name when you contact them, and a new burner #. Otherwise, they can pick up on it being you with a new profile.

Also, completely delete the old profile from SA. Don't just disable it.

Look around on Google Images for a pic of someone who looks like you. Use that. Blur it a little or block out the eyes so it can't be reverse image searched on Google, and also so the girls can't be sure it's not you when you meet them.

There's no way in hell I would ever post a pic of myself on that site.

If you've met a lot of the local girls, be prepared to be sitting across from one of them and having that OH FUCK moment when you realize you met her in the past. That happened to me when I made a new profile. I had a meet and greet with a girl I met two years earlier.

I have been a member off and on for years, always paying full price except for once when they offered a Halloween discount if I remember correctly. I have read on occasion about a weekly rate offered by SA. I have never seen this on the site or on the app. When I downloaded the app last week, the current monthly rate of $89 was the only option other than the 3 month option. So is there a weekly rate option and if so, where do I find it? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4221164]If she really is that hot, I would agree that she would be hard to pass on if she resurfaces on her own. If you back off, the odds she returms on her own go way up.

If she does resurface, the smart thing to do would be to pass, but we all know when it comes to pussy we don't always do the smart thing! LOL. Honestly, if she came back on her own I would probably make another run at her, but with extreme caution.

Best of luck![/QUOTE]So just a quick update on the sugar plum. I washed my hands with her as many advised me to and let her be / gave her her space. No food, no baked cakes, cookies you name it. No money advanced nada. She resurfaced, has a new number and is inviting me to the same show that ended with her spending the night at my place roughly 2 months ago.

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;4239152]So just a quick update on the sugar plum. I washed my hands with her as many advised me to and let her be / gave her her space. No food, no baked cakes, cookies you name it. No money advanced nada. She resurfaced, has a new number and is inviting me to the same show that ended with her spending the night at my place roughly 2 months ago.[/QUOTE]Always have other irons in the fire, it helps you make good decisions. Women have this intuition where they can literally FEEL the number of other options you have, and it will impact your outcome. If they act up, they cannot be immediately rewarded for resurfacing. Go in with the attitude "you wasted my time before, so why should I talk to you now". But don't say that directly, convey it while being smoother with tactics words. Good things will occur every time.

Read everything you can, experiment, and refine your approach. Use and change your Google Voice or other burner number. Never use the same profile pic twice. And move the conversation off the site as soon as possible. All good rules to live by.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4238693]OK, OK, I am not about to die, as far as I know, but I am about to kill off my avatar, I mean my profile, on SA. I have been on SA for eight months and have messaged and texted with lots of girls and feel I can refine my approach. Rather than just editing my profile, I intend to let it go inactive when the next renewal comes up, then register a new profile with some differences. Among other things, I plan to put some type of photo in my profile because I think a lot of girls wouldn't consider me without any photos up. This way I will get another crack at some of the hotties who have blocked me or ignored me under my present profile.

I expect I am not the first monger to do this. I am wondering if you guys have any tips or things you wish you had done differently when creating a new profile. I intend to make a list of some of the "ones that got away" so I can look for them under my new profile. Anything else I should be doing?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;4239152]So just a quick update on the sugar plum. I washed my hands with her as many advised me to and let her be / gave her her space. No food, no baked cakes, cookies you name it. No money advanced nada. She resurfaced, has a new number and is inviting me to the same show that ended with her spending the night at my place roughly 2 months ago.[/QUOTE]#40.

SandPiper540.

Senior Member.

Seeking Arrangements.

Just wanted to let everyone know that seeking Arrangements does have a 24.99 7-Day trial. I have had a lot of success on seeking Arrangements in the past. But the girls do ask for a lot more than Backpage and other similar sites. One of the negative things I've noticed about seeking Arrangements is that there are a lot of fake profiles, but some of these girls will text you back and forth endlessly. They promise to make a date but never do. However they will keep in touch with you through text. I almost want to believe that these are paid employees of seeking Arrangements. People that are paid to keep the customers (the guys) entertained. If you're not into sharing a real girl, please share the fakes so we can avoid.