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[QUOTE=JustLonely;4225261]Total waste of time. She wanted to know details of my past arrangements and how "compensation" for her time would be provided per activity.
She is on and off SA so much that she won't be much of a lawyer if she can't negotiate a long term deal for herself.[/QUOTE]Yes. I'm quite sure there's a pretty clear and direct relationship between setting clear expectations as to compensation for her work and failure in the many varied career paths she may take with her JD.
[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4225458]Bingo, word of mouth.
There is a sorority at VCU that happens to have a lot of SBs, they all know each other and talk.[/QUOTE]Why all the mystery? Why not say which sorority?
I've posted a few questions in here but today marks my earnest entry into the bowl.
I'm coming up on the end of my second month of paid membership, and looking back through my accomplishments I see that I have none. I've gotten too many messages to even begin to count. I've gotten maybe 10 or so contacts (phone numbers and / or emails). And yet I've been on a single M&G that did not go anywhere. And I see that I am squarely to blame.
I've read that this is a numbers game so obviously what I need to do is work on my funnel and go on more M&Gs. More failed M&Gs means that a successful one is that much closer.
I've practiced the intro message and do well there. I've even practiced the couple follow up messages and am getting pretty decent at getting either a phone number or email. The "secret" is literally just make small talk. Just make small talk until they offer up the contact info. Nothing more, nothing less. No sex talk, no arrangement talk, no anything, really. Just talk about what you did last weekend. What you're going to do next weekend. What the weather is like. At some point, with some ladies it is sooner, and some ladies it is later, they will drop a number. Easy.
Where my funnel breaks down is converting these numbers into M&Gs / FCs. I do not understand how to transition from talking about weather to talking about dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails. Perhaps that's the weakness of my strategy. Perhaps by being too nice and ensuring access to contact info it weakens the funnel down the line because I am not per-qualifying appropriately.
I have gotten the full spectrum of messages, however. From endless penpal style talks of the weather to first message into single email with an attached crotch shot and full a la carte menu. Sometimes I feel it is less what I say and more whoever I am saying it to. Still, I am not really in search of obvious pros /UTRs. If I was I would just follow up with every "hey" message I get, which is tons.
The question that is hidden in here is what is the progression or "tempo", of you will, of messages on SA and the followup text / emails? Obviously this varies but anyone want to take a stab at some general guidelines? Also, how does one first broach the subject.
In closing I will say the worst question I've been faced with is "what's your ideal arrangement?" Do I really just say 1 time a week for $$ in a mid range hotel halfway between me and you, I'll bring the refreshments if you bring the entertainment and drop the mic? Advice here is appreciated.
One step at a time.
Cruzier.
[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4225458]Bingo, word of mouth.
There is a sorority at VCU that happens to have a lot of SBs, they all know each other and talk.[/QUOTE]I've seen a list a SB showed me. It was a spreadsheet of SDs, how much they offered in $, and notes about them. A SB showed it to me right after she attended a SB get-together.
I agree with Kevin that these girls don't like to work hard. But they most-certainly do have their shit together enough to compile lists.
These sorority girls are sharp when it comes to fleecing guys on Seeking. Their goal is to extract as much cash from us as possible without giving up the P.
How many of us have met a girl who claims to be new to the sugar bowl, but then throws phrases like PPM around once money is mentioned? They network and help each other with profile advice, $, etc.
[QUOTE=Cruzier1;4225854]
Where my funnel breaks down is converting these numbers into M&Gs / FCs. I do not understand how to transition from talking about weather to talking about dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails. Perhaps that's the weakness of my strategy. Perhaps by being too nice and ensuring access to contact info it weakens the funnel down the line because I am not per-qualifying appropriately.
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The question that is hidden in here is what is the progression or "tempo", of you will, of messages on SA and the followup text / emails? Obviously this varies but anyone want to take a stab at some general guidelines? Also, how does one first broach the subject.
In closing I will say the worst question I've been faced with is "what's your ideal arrangement?" Do I really just say 1 time a week for $$ in a mid range hotel halfway between me and you, I'll bring the refreshments if you bring the entertainment and drop the mic? Advice here is appreciated.
Cruzier.[/QUOTE]Hey man. Good on you for making progress on chatting up POTs.
I think when it comes to an arrangement, 99% of the girls on the site know what's up. Guys hope for or expect sex in exchange for money. Anything else, like dinner dates, cocktails out, friendship, companionship is icing on the cake. Very, very few of us would give a girl money for any of the latter if it didn't come with the former. Girls know that. That said, some of them will still try to see if they can get what they want (money) for not having to put out. This is either some kind of fetish power move (findom?) for them that involves taking advantage of clueless guys or the sort of thing may help them rationalize that they're not really a prostitute (women's minds are amazing machines capable of bending reality into a fucking pretzel, if you haven't noticed), or it feeds their ego I. E. "OMG, guys think I'm soooo prettyyyy they pay just to give me attention and for me to text them and send selfies!
*Sidebar: If any of you do this, please stop. It's like feeding wildlife: you're reinforcing behavior that just turns them into an incessant and vapid pain in the ass.
Anyway, to answer your questions about the money aspect of the deal: I used to think the way you do. That since this was an arrangement / financial transaction that it was necessary to have the $$ and sex details spelled out before commencing. I learned from the wise gentlemen here that nothing could be further from the truth.
Now, I don't bring up money at all. And about half the time she won't either, I've found. I also never bring up money on Seeking messages, email or text, always deferring / delaying that conversation to in person at the M&G, if I have to have it at all. Also, never talk money over SA messaging - they DO seem to read / scan our messages and will ban you for talk that seems to be about escorting / prostitution. I just ask her out on a date and make sure the logistics of the evening include a place to have sex, be it a hotel or my car or my place or her place (I'm single, so have no SO to worry about). It's my job as a man to lead the date to a naked conclusion, and at the end I slip a gift into her purse without mention of $. 90% of the time nothing is said, and they are more than happy to get together again.
If she does bring up money, I follow the golden rule of negotiation: The one who states a price first loses. I ask her what she thinks an amicable arrangement would be for her. Usually, she'll come in sky-high ($700 for a dinner date? Girl, you on crack.). At that point, if I'm interested still, I'll try to talk her down, emphasizing that I'm really looking for a long-term arrangement and that she'll make much more over time if she lowers her per-meet rate to something reasonable and sustainable (for me, that's 150-250, depending on a mental algorithm that takes into account her level of youth, beauty, weight, intelligence, reliability, agreeableness, common sense, perceived level of sanity, sense of humor, quality of conversation). Most of they time they agree.
On the question of an ideal arrangement, my answer to this never includes money. I usually say something along the lines of looking for a friend and FWB to have fun and do things with, blah, blah, I work a lot, don't really have time for a conventional relationship, blah, blah, want something casual and easy, not looking to get in the way of your life, blah blah, some nights out, some nights in, blah blah. Also, if they're looking for some sort of kept girlfriend / Pretty Woman / ongoing allowance kind of bullshit, I say that I'm open to that (I'm really not), but would prefer to give them a gift / allowance each time we get together until we get to know each other better.
Or something like that.
Hope that helps.
Gents.
I have been a premium member of SA for more than a year, now I see they try to get me into "Diamond" membership status. $250 per month and you need to verify the personal and income information. Seems like a rip-off, and more of a trap collecting information. Anyway, wanted to check if anyone here tried it and what the experience was.
Stay safe.
Dr. S.
My weakest link is also moving from messaging to M&G. Once I meet a girl, my success rate is very high. One reason may be I have only one profile photo (no face), although I mention in my profile that I would be happy to share pics offline. I am somewhat impatient person, may be I am trying to get to the "business end" of the chat too early. I am mainly trying to weed out picture sellers, time wasters etc. I would typically bring up a possible meet up in person within first 5 to 10 messages. Few occasions, girls went silent after that. I spent few messages chit chat etc, but try to talk them into chat offline ASAP. I am beginning to figure out the personalities that need lengthy chat before moving into business end. The key is that they don't view you as a "creep", and trying to get into their pants quickly (although they sure know what our end goal is). Girls are very different from how we think, just have to understand in order to get into their pants.
Stay safe.
Dr. S.
[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4226248]Hey man. Good on you for making progress on chatting up POTs.
I think when it comes to an arrangement, 99% of the girls on the site know what's up. Guys hope for or expect sex in exchange for money. Anything else, like dinner dates, cocktails out, friendship, companionship is icing on the cake. Very, very few of us would give a girl money for any of the latter if it didn't come with the former. Girls know that. That said, some of them will still try to see if they can get what they want (money) for not having to put out. This is either some kind of fetish power move (findom?) for them that involves taking advantage of clueless guys or the sort of thing may help them rationalize that they're not really a prostitute (women's minds are amazing machines capable of bending reality into a fucking pretzel, if you haven't noticed), or it feeds their ego I. E. "OMG, guys think I'm soooo prettyyyy they pay just to give me attention and for me to text them and send selfies!
*Sidebar: If any of you do this, please stop. It's like feeding wildlife: you're reinforcing behavior that just turns them into an incessant and vapid pain in the ass.
Anyway, to answer your questions about the money aspect of the deal: I used to think the way you do. That since this was an arrangement / financial transaction that it was necessary to have the $$ and sex details spelled out before commencing. I learned from the wise gentlemen here that nothing could be further from the truth.
Now, I don't bring up money at all. And about half the time she won't either, I've found. I also never bring up money on Seeking messages, email or text, always deferring / delaying that conversation to in person at the M&G, if I have to have it at all. Also, never talk money over SA messaging - they DO seem to read / scan our messages and will ban you for talk that seems to be about escorting / prostitution. I just ask her out on a date and make sure the logistics of the evening include a place to have sex, be it a hotel or my car or my place or her place (I'm single, so have no SO to worry about). It's my job as a man to lead the date to a naked conclusion, and at the end I slip a gift into her purse without mention of $. 90% of the time nothing is said, and they are more than happy to get together again.
If she does bring up money, I follow the golden rule of negotiation: The one who states a price first loses. I ask her what she thinks an amicable arrangement would be for her. Usually, she'll come in sky-high ($700 for a dinner date? Girl, you on crack.). At that point, if I'm interested still, I'll try to talk her down, emphasizing that I'm really looking for a long-term arrangement and that she'll make much more over time if she lowers her per-meet rate to something reasonable and sustainable (for me, that's 150-250, depending on a mental algorithm that takes into account her level of youth, beauty, weight, intelligence, reliability, agreeableness, common sense, perceived level of sanity, sense of humor, quality of conversation). Most of they time they agree.
On the question of an ideal arrangement, my answer to this never includes money. I usually say something along the lines of looking for a friend and FWB to have fun and do things with, blah, blah, I work a lot, don't really have time for a conventional relationship, blah, blah, want something casual and easy, not looking to get in the way of your life, blah blah, some nights out, some nights in, blah blah. Also, if they're looking for some sort of kept girlfriend / Pretty Woman / ongoing allowance kind of bullshit, I say that I'm open to that (I'm really not), but would prefer to give them a gift / allowance each time we get together until we get to know each other better.
Or something like that.
Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]
Lots of these SBs have them. What do you think they can say about a girl, and how do you involve them in your play?
[QUOTE=Tidad;4225691]Why all the mystery? Why not say which sorority?[/QUOTE]LOL Why? Then they will get blown up with messages and be harder for me to bang when I'm in town.
[QUOTE=Cruzier1;4225854]I've posted a few questions in here but today marks my earnest entry into the bowl.
I'm coming up on the end of my second month of paid membership, and looking back through my accomplishments I see that I have none. I've gotten too many messages to even begin to count. I've gotten maybe 10 or so contacts (phone numbers and / or emails). And yet I've been on a single M&G that did not go anywhere. And I see that I am squarely to blame.
I've read that this is a numbers game so obviously what I need to do is work on my funnel and go on more M&Gs. More failed M&Gs means that a successful one is that much closer.
I've practiced the intro message and do well there. I've even practiced the couple follow up messages and am getting pretty decent at getting either a phone number or email. The "secret" is literally just make small talk. Just make small talk until they offer up the contact info. Nothing more, nothing less. No sex talk, no arrangement talk, no anything, really. Just talk about what you did last weekend. What you're going to do next weekend. What the weather is like. At some point, with some ladies it is sooner, and some ladies it is later, they will drop a number. Easy.
Where my funnel breaks down is converting these numbers into M&Gs / FCs. I do not understand how to transition from talking about weather to talking about dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails. Perhaps that's the weakness of my strategy. Perhaps by being too nice and ensuring access to contact info it weakens the funnel down the line because I am not per-qualifying appropriately.
I have gotten the full spectrum of messages, however. From endless penpal style talks of the weather to first message into single email with an attached crotch shot and full a la carte menu. Sometimes I feel it is less what I say and more whoever I am saying it to. Still, I am not really in search of obvious pros /UTRs. If I was I would just follow up with every "hey" message I get, which is tons.
The question that is hidden in here is what is the progression or "tempo", of you will, of messages on SA and the followup text / emails? Obviously this varies but anyone want to take a stab at some general guidelines? Also, how does one first broach the subject.
In closing I will say the worst question I've been faced with is "what's your ideal arrangement?" Do I really just say 1 time a week for $$ in a mid range hotel halfway between me and you, I'll bring the refreshments if you bring the entertainment and drop the mic? Advice here is appreciated.
One step at a time.
Cruzier.[/QUOTE]I've been out of the bowl for a while but always read this thread for the enjoyable stories. When I first signed up and sent money in within a week I was getting pussy. You are using the Nice Guy approach and as nice guys finish last you are proving the point. I start out in the first message suggesting that she text me on my burner phone (no I don't tell her it is a burner) so we can communicate privately. I found when texting I did better with a direct bad boy approach (that is not who I am so it was fun playing the game) and start suggesting she send me hot pictures and when can we meet. I did better going directly to the FC than dinner out but got laid both ways. I was looking for hot sex not a girl friend or companion. The few that I hit it off with we staid in touch and had multiple dates, it got to the point that sometimes the sex was free and mutually enjoyable. One young lady that I have many photos taken when we were naked and playing and a couple of dozen video clips of the various fun times, the only anal I have done in several years and the only video of it I have with here I am still in contact even though I'm on the west coast and she is on the east coast. I'm telling you that you get pussy only if you try, quit the gentleman shit and start being more demanding, tell her what you want and when. If she ghosts you then Next.
Anyone know this one from down in Roanoke area? Sally Val 4 u [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3c84690a-cb82-a093-aff1-5ddd81e42607[/URL].
Messaged a bit but she goes quiet for long time in between. Posted in Roanoke forum also. Happy to share other info if I can.
I've been in a traditional relationship for the past year. I've been back in the Sugar Bowl for about a month. Things have definitely changed. You can't block the pros you know like you used to be able to.
[QUOTE=DrSummer;4226282]Gents.
I have been a premium member of SA for more than a year, now I see they try to get me into "Diamond" membership status. $250 per month and you need to verify the personal and income information. Seems like a rip-off, and more of a trap collecting information. Anyway, wanted to check if anyone here tried it and what the experience was.
Stay safe.
Dr. S.[/QUOTE]Don't do it.
Seeking will eventually get hacked or go broke and the assets (including data) sold to a third party. That means your personal information will eventually be posted somewhere.
Remember [URL]*************.com[/URL]?
Always sign up on Seeking with a fake name and prepaid card and burner phone number.
Besides, look at the company Seeking uses to verify I'd for Diamond. It's run by some guy in Durham, NC who is a kids soccer coach. No fucking way I'm giving that guy my personal info.
[QUOTE=InTight;4196338]Others here swear that a Plain Vanilla Visa gift card will work It didn't for me so I used Bitcoin and it worked just fine everything anonymous.[/QUOTE]When I used a Vanilla One debit card today it was declined. Did a little research and the problem was the the card is only valid in the USA, states that on the front of the card. But the site requires a card that is accepted internationally, at least if you try to use the form to sign up. I have a question in to admin to see if there is a way around that issue.
There is a lot of great advice in this thread. But this post is the best words of wisdom I have heard in awhile.
[QUOTE=InTight;4227205]I've been out of the bowl for a while but always read this thread for the enjoyable stories. When I first signed up and sent money in within a week I was getting pussy. You are using the Nice Guy approach and as nice guys finish last you are proving the point. I start out in the first message suggesting that she text me on my burner phone (no I don't tell her it is a burner) so we can communicate privately. I found when texting I did better with a direct bad boy approach (that is not who I am so it was fun playing the game) and start suggesting she send me hot pictures and when can we meet. I did better going directly to the FC than dinner out but got laid both ways. I was looking for hot sex not a girl friend or companion. The few that I hit it off with we staid in touch and had multiple dates, it got to the point that sometimes the sex was free and mutually enjoyable. One young lady that I have many photos taken when we were naked and playing and a couple of dozen video clips of the various fun times, the only anal I have done in several years and the only video of it I have with here I am still in contact even though I'm on the west coast and she is on the east coast. I'm telling you that you get pussy only if you try, quit the gentleman shit and start being more demanding, tell her what you want and when. If she ghosts you then Next.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Playa12;4228104]When I used a Vanilla One debit card today it was declined. Did a little research and the problem was the the card is only valid in the USA, states that on the front of the card. But the site requires a card that is accepted internationally, at least if you try to use the form to sign up. I have a question in to admin to see if there is a way around that issue.[/QUOTE]Vanilla card works for me every time. The $100 Visa one.
Buy it and register it on the Vanilla website. Use a fake name, and use the real address of an apartment complex in your area. Just leave off the apartment number. The zip code is what the site's merchant account uses to authenticate your account.
You can use a burner phone #, or just make one up for the card registration. The phone # isn't used to authenticate the registration or purchase.
Once you register the card, go to SA and enter the same information you used to register the card. The card should be accepted for payment.
You'll then have $10 left on the card. Use it for gas next time you're at the pump. Remember the zip code you used to register the card.
[QUOTE=Truncated;4228428]Vanilla card works for me every time. The $100 Visa one.
Buy it and register it on the Vanilla website. Use a fake name, and use the real address of an apartment complex in your area. Just leave off the apartment number. The zip code is what the site's merchant account uses to authenticate your account.
You can use a burner phone #, or just make one up for the card registration. The phone # isn't used to authenticate the registration or purchase.
Once you register the card, go to SA and enter the same information you used to register the card. The card should be accepted for payment.
You'll then have $10 left on the card. Use it for gas next time you're at the pump. Remember the zip code you used to register the card.[/QUOTE]Vanilla Card quit working for me couple years ago when the government stopped gift cards working internationally trying ti stop money laundering. I have used Bitcoin with success.
[QUOTE=Cruzier1;4225854]
Where my funnel breaks down is converting these numbers into M&Gs / FCs. I do not understand how to transition from talking about weather to talking about dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails. Perhaps that's the weakness of my strategy. Perhaps by being too nice and ensuring access to contact info it weakens the funnel down the line because I am not per-qualifying appropriately.
Cruzier.[/QUOTE]Cruzier, you have gotten some great advice on here already. In particular, I think InTight summed it up in his post. If you want pussy, you have to go after it. SA is no different from real life in that way.
I just want to add my view on a couple points. You should not be talking about "dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails" AT ALL. Two reasons for this: (1) the chicks who want to do this are going to engage in an online auction. They are going to go to the highest bidder. You don't want to be the highest bidder. You want to get the pussy and keep as much of your cash as possible. So don't play that game. If the girls insist on it, just move on. (2) you say that your aren't really looking for pros and UTR's but those are exactly the ones most likely to want to set price online in advance. The non-pro, college girls types do not want to do this. They don't want to think they are selling their body for cash. Let them think that. Play along with it. I avoid ever talking about cash if possible, even at the meet and greet. It is amazing how many girls you can penetrate without discussing price at all. Once you've had them, you can give them whatever you want. (Of course, if you want them again, you can't be too cheap!
Honestly, in my city it's unbelievable how many hot and almost hot young girls are joining SA every day. They only constraints on getting them are time and money, there is no shortage of pussy.
We have a very similar approach and result. I move even quicker though pushing for the M&G, I mention it in the very first email and it's in my profile prominently (though they barely read them it seems). I'm definitely impatient and my tolerance for exchanging dozens of emails and the like about my hobbies and other small talk just grates on me, especially when I feel like there's a good chance they'll never agree to meet. I find the "want to get to know you" types are often the ones (though not always) who will never actually meet. I literally cringe when I see the two most common replies: "I'd like to get to know you" and "what are you looking for," the second which is pretty spelled out in the profile.
Anyway, curious what personality you think needs the chit chat?
[QUOTE=DrSummer;4226312]My weakest link is also moving from messaging to M&G. Once I meet a girl, my success rate is very high. One reason may be I have only one profile photo (no face), although I mention in my profile that I would be happy to share pics offline. I am somewhat impatient person, may be I am trying to get to the "business end" of the chat too early. I am mainly trying to weed out picture sellers, time wasters etc. I would typically bring up a possible meet up in person within first 5 to 10 messages. Few occasions, girls went silent after that. I spent few messages chit chat etc, but try to talk them into chat offline ASAP. I am beginning to figure out the personalities that need lengthy chat before moving into business end. The key is that they don't view you as a "creep", and trying to get into their pants quickly (although they sure know what our end goal is). Girls are very different from how we think, just have to understand in order to get into their pants.
Stay safe.
Dr. S.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DogBert77;4228714]
I just want to add my view on a couple points. You should not be talking about "dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails" AT ALL. [/QUOTE]No, because of what he said and also because you can get banned from SA. But Yes, you should, so long as you learn to do it tastefully. Younger gals want to be with someone fun and smart and experienced. And much of that comes across in your "game" And if you can discuss these things without making them feel like they are selling their bodies, you will be in deep in no time. Pay attention to their profile info and what they say in their messages. Get them to laugh. dont be rude, crude or socially unacceptable.
Since SA has taken off the "Lifestyle expectations" screen, you need to make sure you aren't wasting too much time.
I have found its all in mastering the euphamisms. Sorry, but if you have to Google that for a meaning, chances are this strategy won't work for you.
You can get to $ per meet by asking what would be an appropriate "tuition assistance" "Student Loan Relief" "Spring Break Fund" package for an afternoon of her company. Make sure you pay attention to her needs so you can customize that message. You can usually get a LOL out of them in the process, which will save you a $.
"We can meet for lunch and see where the afternoon takes us" "Meet for drinks and dinner....or room service if our in person chemistry is as amazing as it has been online"
I'm also fond of food analogies "we could meet for drinks and dinner and adjourn for dessert and a midnight snack. Maybe even a 3 am feast and / or breakfast in bed".
I've found most gals -- even the obvious non-pros -- are fine with talking about preferences, so long as you don't make them feel like a pro. They want to be comfortable with you as well, and make sure you aren't expecting to be swaddled in a diaper while you suck their nipples. My favorite is "Anything on your no fly list for playtime? About half get it -- and again a LOL -- the less quick will tell me they won't fly to see me or ask for clarification. 90% of them will answer and about 3/4 of those will at least tell you their hard limits. Open minded means different things to different girls, based on their prior experiences, which is one of the reasons I try to figure out their parameters.
Sometimes, they will ask what I'm comfortable offering, and again you can be clear without be crude or direct. "For a dusk to dawn extravaganza experiencing all Bethany has to offer, a ShowCase Showdown of Cash and Prizes valued at $600 can be yours. So hot little Bethany, come on down!
[QUOTE=DogBert77;4228714]Honestly, in my city it's unbelievable how many hot and almost hot young girls are joining SA every day. They only constraints on getting them are time and money, there is no shortage of pussy.[/QUOTE]Definitely YES in most decent sized town (Richmond and up).
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4229497]No, because of what he said and also because you can get banned from SA. But Yes, you should, so long as you learn to do it tastefully.
[/QUOTE]Ernie, it's a big sugar bowl and everyone should do what works for them. What I am doing is working just fine for me. I don't really see the point about discussing preferences, unless you have some exotic kinks or you are an absolutist on bare back or something. Personally, my tastes are pretty mainstream. I do have a preference for submissive types, but I have a pretty good nose for those, and it seems like most of the SB population tends that direction anyway, so not a major issue. As far as actual sex acts to be performed, I have not hooked up with a SB yet who was not down for DFK and BBBJ, and only a couple who weren't into DATY, so I just don't see any need to ask. I haven't ahd one yet who went to the FC with me and refused to give FS. Lots of them are not into BBFS. Again, I don't see any point in discussing this online. Lots of girls that will go bare back when approached right will say they won't if you ask them online. And the girls that will broadcast this info online to someone they haven't met are likely to go bare back with lots of guys. I. e. , exactly the girls you don't want to bare back. If your day will not be complete without entering the back door, OK, maybe you need to be clear about this before meeting. Personally, I prefer pussy anyway, so don't need to discuss that either. I usually only plug the pooper after I've been with them a couple times, they are a little more comfortable and I am just looking for something different to do. So I don't feel the need to discuss any of this.
Now, for those of you that need them to dress them in a pink onesie and have them suck on a lollipop while holding a teddy bear and apologizing for soiling their diaper, all while while you ream their ass without lube, OK, maybe you should pre-screeen. Not sure on the diplomatic way to put that to them, but Ernie, I'm sure you are up to the task!
[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4226248]Hey man. Good on you for making progress on chatting up POTs.
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Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Wow! Tremendous responses everyone. I'll try to reply to everyone since everyone has their own spin on things.
I think it really helps to know that most girls know what's up. Since it never came up in the back and forths I never really was sure. I think the first few times I might either not discuss like a few on here suggest, or just pay a bit more than I ultimately want to settle at. I need to get the logistics and the routine down. I'll pay a bit more for that experience.
[QUOTE=InTight;4227205]I've been out of the bowl for a while but always read this thread for the enjoyable stories. When I first signed up and sent money in within a week I was getting pussy. You are using the Nice Guy approach and as nice guys finish last you are proving the point. I start out in the first message suggesting that she text me on my burner phone (no I don't tell her it is a burner) so we can communicate privately. I found when texting I did better with a direct bad boy approach (that is not who I am so it was fun playing the game) and start suggesting she send me hot pictures and when can we meet. I did better going directly to the FC than dinner out but got laid both ways. I was looking for hot sex not a girl friend or companion. The few that I hit it off with we staid in touch and had multiple dates, it got to the point that sometimes the sex was free and mutually enjoyable. One young lady that I have many photos taken when we were naked and playing and a couple of dozen video clips of the various fun times, the only anal I have done in several years and the only video of it I have with here I am still in contact even though I'm on the west coast and she is on the east coast. I'm telling you that you get pussy only if you try, quit the gentleman shit and start being more demanding, tell her what you want and when. If she ghosts you then Next.[/QUOTE]All fair points my man! I know one change I'm going to implement is actually asking for M&Gs and then either getting one, or moving on. I know now that this back and forth never leads to one, nor does the conversation ever get there.
[QUOTE=DogBert77;4228714]Cruzier, you have gotten some great advice on here already. In particular, I think InTight summed it up in his post. If you want pussy, you have to go after it. SA is no different from real life in that way.
I just want to add my view on a couple points. You should not be talking about "dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails" AT ALL. Two reasons for this: (1) the chicks who want to do this are going to engage in an online auction. They are going to go to the highest bidder. You don't want to be the highest bidder. You want to get the pussy and keep as much of your cash as possible. So don't play that game. If the girls insist on it, just move on. (2) you say that your aren't really looking for pros and UTR's but those are exactly the ones most likely to want to set price online in advance. The non-pro, college girls types do not want to do this. They don't want to think they are selling their body for cash. Let them think that. Play along with it. I avoid ever talking about cash if possible, even at the meet and greet. It is amazing how many girls you can penetrate without discussing price at all. Once you've had them, you can give them whatever you want. (Of course, if you want them again, you can't be too cheap!
Honestly, in my city it's unbelievable how many hot and almost hot young girls are joining SA every day. They only constraints on getting them are time and money, there is no shortage of pussy.[/QUOTE]Again great points. I need to pony up to the bar and not pussy foot around it.
[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4229483]We have a very similar approach and result. I move even quicker though pushing for the M&G, I mention it in the very first email and it's in my profile prominently (though they barely read them it seems). I'm definitely impatient and my tolerance for exchanging dozens of emails and the like about my hobbies and other small talk just grates on me, especially when I feel like there's a good chance they'll never agree to meet. I find the "want to get to know you" types are often the ones (though not always) who will never actually meet. I literally cringe when I see the two most common replies: "I'd like to get to know you" and "what are you looking for," the second which is pretty spelled out in the profile.
Anyway, curious what personality you think needs the chit chat?[/QUOTE]I hate to say it, but I think I just realized I'm the SD version of this at the moment. Definitely looking to change that with everyone's advice.
"what are you looking for" just KILLS me. Can I ask what your response is with this?
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4229497]No, because of what he said and also because you can get banned from SA. But Yes, you should, so long as you learn to do it tastefully. Younger gals want to be with someone fun and smart and experienced. And much of that comes across in your "game" And if you can discuss these things without making them feel like they are selling their bodies, you will be in deep in no time. Pay attention to their profile info and what they say in their messages. Get them to laugh. dont be rude, crude or socially unacceptable.
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Definitely YES in most decent sized town (Richmond and up).[/QUOTE]This is great advice for me! I could definitely see giving this method a shot. Sort of a middle ground between what I've been (unsuccessfully) doing, and spray and pray and getting the PROs.
[QUOTE=DogBert77;4229667]Ernie, it's a big sugar bowl and everyone should do what works for them.
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Now, for those of you that need them to dress them in a pink onesie and have them suck on a lollipop while holding a teddy bear and apologizing for soiling their diaper, all while while you ream their ass without lube, OK, maybe you should pre-screeen. Not sure on the diplomatic way to put that to them, but Ernie, I'm sure you are up to the task![/QUOTE]LOL at that last paragraph. I've come to understand from everyone's replies that is more than one way to get a pussy naked (skin a cat?) but they all require an active part on moving things along.
I've been to TJ and there you sit down and have a line of ladies chatting you up offering FS. My first night on SA I got into a DM string with a lady who quoted a PPM price and we made plans to M&G and go straight to the FC. Both of these experiences unfortunately had the side-effect of making me think that being passive and polite was a valid method.
What these last 2 months have taught me is that it is, for sure, not a valid method.
Anyway, really appreciate the replies. Here is hoping to (at least) some failed M&Gs on my next report.
Cheers,
Cruzier.
So I'm conversing with a prospect a couple days ago, and she tells me she'll do 3 dates a month for a 400/ mo allowance. I'm accustomed to pay per meet arrangements. I'm not giving 400 in one lump sum. So I told her I'd do 150 per meet, which equals out to be more than she was initially requesting, it just wasn't all at once. She got insulted! I told her to do the math and she said her worth was more than 150 per meet. But she was ok with 133 per meet?
If they can't do simple math, then move on.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4229901]So I'm conversing with a prospect a couple days ago, and she tells me she'll do 3 dates a month for a 400/ mo allowance. I'm accustomed to pay per meet arrangements. I'm not giving 400 in one lump sum. So I told her I'd do 150 per meet, which equals out to be more than she was initially requesting, it just wasn't all at once. She got insulted! I told her to do the math and she said her worth was more than 150 per meet. But she was ok with 133 per meet?
If they can't do simple math, then move on.[/QUOTE]Was it her [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ab538d4a-a29c-44d5-9845-d28b40617c76[/URL] ?
I dreamt that I negotiated 300 for two meets with this one. When I gave her 150 she went bonkers. In my dream I visited her apartment which was pretty messy and the lights were cut off because the electric bill wasn't paid. Mic game wasn't great. She did this mr miyagi wax-on thing to the tip of my little guy that went on way too long.
If you're in a pinch she may do if you like them petite. I'd avoid just based on the whole math thing.
[QUOTE=Tidad;4225691]Why all the mystery? Why not say which sorority?[/QUOTE]Agreed. As much as I appreciate the information on this forum about strategies, payment, etc. , what happened to sharing information about girls? I went off the site for a while after a crazy wild 2018 because I found two girls that kept me happy, one I met on the site and the other is not on it. I'm back and trying to get through all the garbage and it seems we've gone away from giving each other intel on specific girls. VCU sorority girls are exactly what I'm looking for so send me some screen names so I can see what's out there! I'm happy to share my info but many of the girls I used to see are no longer on the site.
[QUOTE=RVASpider;4230372]Agreed. As much as I appreciate the information on this forum about strategies, payment, etc. , what happened to sharing information about girls? I went off the site for a while after a crazy wild 2018 because I found two girls that kept me happy, one I met on the site and the other is not on it. I'm back and trying to get through all the garbage and it seems we've gone away from giving each other intel on specific girls. VCU sorority girls are exactly what I'm looking for so send me some screen names so I can see what's out there! I'm happy to share my info but many of the girls I used to see are no longer on the site.[/QUOTE]The number of Alpha Phi girls I've encountered on SA could fill a thumb drive. HOw many of them are actually DTF without a paid M&G. Probably closer to the population that can fit in a phone booth.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4229901]So I'm conversing with a prospect a couple days ago, and she tells me she'll do 3 dates a month for a 400/ mo allowance. I'm accustomed to pay per meet arrangements. I'm not giving 400 in one lump sum. So I told her I'd do 150 per meet, which equals out to be more than she was initially requesting, it just wasn't all at once. She got insulted! I told her to do the math and she said her worth was more than 150 per meet. But she was ok with 133 per meet?
If they can't do simple math, then move on.[/QUOTE]Please, you know what she wants: she's looking for a reliable $400 on the 1st of every month with the probability of gifts, meals drinks ect when you come over. That will likely add up to more than $50. Plus, in her mind you are " the friend who helps her". If it's transactional per meet, then the price is the price and in her mind you are "the guy she fucks for $150". She's playing a game that is smart for her lifestyle and her psyche.
[QUOTE=Waterboi;4230231]Was it her [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ab538d4a-a29c-44d5-9845-d28b40617c76[/URL] ?
I dreamt that I negotiated 300 for two meets with this one. When I gave her 150 she went bonkers. In my dream I visited her apartment which was pretty messy and the lights were cut off because the electric bill wasn't paid. Mic game wasn't great. She did this mr miyagi wax-on thing to the tip of my little guy that went on way too long.
If you're in a pinch she may do if you like them petite. I'd avoid just based on the whole math thing.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/35d7c281-1f13-49d3-b351-89ca32eb9b35[/URL]
[QUOTE=Waterboi;4230231]I dreamt that I negotiated 300 for two meets with this one. When I gave her 150 she went bonkers.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she went nuts because in her mind you would give her 300 at the first meet in the FC, thinking you were paying up front for the next one, and she was planning on ghosting you. Good job on your part.
[QUOTE=Tidad;4230395]Please, you know what she wants: she's looking for a reliable $400 on the 1st of every month with the probability of gifts, meals drinks ect when you come over. That will likely add up to more than $50. Plus, in her mind you are " the friend who helps her". If it's transactional per meet, then the price is the price and in her mind you are "the guy she fucks for $150". She's playing a game that is smart for her lifestyle and her psyche.[/QUOTE]Women's minds run on their rationalization hamster. Her little furry brain runs on the wheel and spins and spins until it finds a way she can convince herself she's not a prostitute. The only way around the situation above I've found is "we've just met and hardly know each other, why don't I just give you a gift each time we meet up until we know we like and trust one another? Then we can change to a monthly arrangement." Then, once you're having sex repeatedly, and if you work to not make the transaction a focal point of the meetup in any way she may forget about the monthly allowance thing.
The flip side of the coin is that she wants an allowance for the whole month up front and plans on ghosting you, knowing that your hands are tied at that point. It's not like you're going to go to the cops and report a robbery. If this is her MO refusing to extend her credit will help weed out the girls you don't want to be with anyway. If vagina had a credit rating it would be a negative number, remember that.
[QUOTE=DogBert77;4229667]Ernie, it's a big sugar bowl and everyone should do what works for them. What I am doing is working just fine for me. [/QUOTE]Good for you.
My answer was directed to the OP, not to you, so not sure why the snarky asshole approach. He wanted input, I gave him input.
I also did not say I ask any of the specific items you put out as being taboo issues to discuss. I put the ball in their court to let them answer as they see fit.
Does anyone know if there's a way to do a "starts with" or "contains" keyword search in the SA profile text search box? It appears to only accept exact matches.
For example, let's say you were talking to someone named "YummyBabe_109213", and you can't remember the digits at the end, only that her name started with "YummyBabe". As it right now, it won't find it. Maybe there's a wildcard character that can be put at the end of it? I tried some of the obvious ones and no luck.
Hello,
Planning on using Hotwire app. Was wondering what information should I provide under My info while setting an account since that will be used to make booking and I'd need to show an I'd when I check in.
Also, what payment info should I enter? Regular CC or vanilla card? I don't have any problems using regular CC, no SO issues etc. And I still need to show a CC while checking in.
Any other pointers while using Hotwire?
Thanks,
[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4230464]Women's minds run on their rationalization hamster. Her little furry brain runs on the wheel and spins and spins until it finds a way she can convince herself she's not a prostitute. The only way around the situation above I've found is "we've just met and hardly know each other, why don't I just give you a gift each time we meet up until we know we like and trust one another? Then we can change to a monthly arrangement." Then, once you're having sex repeatedly, and if you work to not make the transaction a focal point of the meetup in any way she may forget about the monthly allowance thing.
The flip side of the coin is that she wants an allowance for the whole month up front and plans on ghosting you, knowing that your hands are tied at that point. It's not like you're going to go to the cops and report a robbery. If this is her MO refusing to extend her credit will help weed out the girls you don't want to be with anyway. If vagina had a credit rating it would be a negative number, remember that.[/QUOTE]Not just women's minds! Way too many SDs out here think they are in a "relationship" and think that 19 yo is their "mistress". Sorry guys, if you're paying for pussy she would never give you for free, you can dress it up any way you like but she's a hooker and you are a John.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4230416][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/35d7c281-1f13-49d3-b351-89ca32eb9b35[/URL][/QUOTE]Weird? When I visited her apartment though. In my dream, it was very clean and the lights were on!
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4219090]OK, many of you SDs presumably have a reputation you care about, now and in the hereafter. What provisions have you made to have everything associated w / the bowl purged should you meet your maker in an untimely and unexpected way. I have a trusted colleague who has received a sealed envelope from me, w / instructions to open it and do what it says if I buy the farm.[/QUOTE]If all your accounts are covert and pass-worded you should be fine no? You don't have a covert email account separate for your hobby? You don't have all your electronic tools discard-able?
What do you think should be done away with exactly to protect you?
[QUOTE=Tidad;4230395]Please, you know what she wants: she's looking for a reliable $400 on the 1st of every month with the probability of gifts, meals drinks ect when you come over. That will likely add up to more than $50. Plus, in her mind you are " the friend who helps her". If it's transactional per meet, then the price is the price and in her mind you are "the guy she fucks for $150". She's playing a game that is smart for her lifestyle and her psyche.[/QUOTE]In general, it definitely is a case of the girl (at least subconsciously) understanding her own self-interest. And if you're optimising CPO or have other reasons to not have faith in an allowance arrangement, it's prudent to at least start with PPM. No argument there.
If you happen upon a good find and your instincts (plus some luck) are correct, this can work to mutual advantage. I got a really good, genuine vibe on my two M&G's with my current SB and mitigated my risk by going bi-monthly. In return I've been rewarded with extremely enjoyable, effortless companionship. So much so that while we originally negotiated 3-4 meets / month, she's works very hard at spending extra time with me when we occasionally have scheduling issues, and so it's usually a consistent 4 meets / month. We've been on three trips together, and while on one hand I bore the expense, on the other hand she was more than willing to carve out the extra time.
On our most recent trip, due to some logistics and other snags we ended up basically spending 7 straight days together. On the tail end some bad weather meant it was easiest if I just hung out at her place an extra day, which she accommodated without a second thought. It didn't hurt that I treated her to a *very* nice vacation week, but that worked both ways.
Since our dates are usually overnights and last about 18 hours total, we've had lots of time to for good discussions. She understands that this is a finite relationship, but also sees the financials as a separate thing from the friendship we've developed. Not that I have any illusion that it would have any staying power if the financials were to dry up, but I think in the moment the inter-personal bond is very solid and real.
[QUOTE=MassageMe4;4231017]If all your accounts are covert and pass-worded you should be fine no? You don't have a covert email account separate for your hobby? You don't have all your electronic tools discard-able?
What do you think should be done away with exactly to protect you?[/QUOTE]In a drawer in my work office is an envelope that contains lotsa cash, prepaid / gift cards, an encrypted jump drive, my burner, some safes and lube, etc. Pretty obvious what that's for. No worries on anything electronic.
Hello,
Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.
What is the latest opinion?
Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.
[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4231571]Hello,
Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.
What is the latest opinion?
Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.[/QUOTE]I think I am with the vast majority here and say absolutely no sugar until action. There are girls on SA that never go to the FC with anyone, and never intend to. If they are hot, they could schedule several meet and greets a day and make a pretty good living without putting out. Don't encourage them. In the long run, you will save yourself a lot of time, and money, by immediately blocking them when they ask for this and just going on the next one. It's like they say in the pick-up artist community, you need to have an abundance mentality and not get fixated on any one girl.