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Dead Sunday@YS
[QUOTE=Hidell; 1155397]I went into YS last night (Saturday) at 1:00 am. The club was packed! There were about four empty seats when I visited. There were about 25 dancers on staff that night. Dancers I recognized were Allie, Ava, Anne Marie, Katherine, Gia, Elena, and Barbie. I noticed a few others that I had seen before, but I didn't remember her name. Monica is back with blonde hair and bigger boobs. I almost didn't recognize her until another dancer pointed her out. I thought she was Julia at first. Monica and I had dances in the past, but she walked right past me like she didn't recognize me. Also, for her fan club out there, Jayden was working. It looks like she is back from wherever she went to. I didn't get to chat with her since she was busy with customers.
Layla (my ATF) was there too. She took some time to talk to me and catch up. We did a champagne room and she was quite fun. No extras, but she is a fun girl. She lost a little weight too. She said she is working on her teeth.
The girl that JHS 42 mentioned that was upfront about extras was called Sophie. Another dancer said that she doesn't work at YS anymore. She was caught giving a BJ to a customer and she was fired. The dancer also said she asked others for drugs. An old blind dog could tell Sophie was on something bad.
When I left around 3:30 am, the club was half full. Where did the crowd go?
All in all, I have a good time.[/QUOTE]Was there on Sunday, either the dancers made alot of money on Sat or they forgot to set their clock forward, as it was completely dead! There were only 5 dancers working on Sunday night, Jayden, Mariah, Erika, Gia and Taylor. Surprisingly, freaking Tom was there, which may explain why there weren't many dancers, as he is always checking the rooms. None of these dancers are my type and therefore not much to choose from.
Is Sophie the blonde that always looks dazed? I knew their was something weird with her, as she couldn't talk or walk straight most of the time. I met her once and she told me she was from Long Island. Too bad, they fire this one as she gave a great dance once. Oh well, it's the fun ones that they let go and the old timers that don't put up.
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Sophie
[QUOTE=Hidell; 1155397]I went into YS last night (Saturday) at 1:00 am. The club was packed! There were about four empty seats when I visited. There were about 25 dancers on staff that night. Dancers I recognized were Allie, Ava, Anne Marie, Katherine, Gia, Elena, and Barbie. I noticed a few others that I had seen before, but I didn't remember her name. Monica is back with blonde hair and bigger boobs. I almost didn't recognize her until another dancer pointed her out. I thought she was Julia at first. Monica and I had dances in the past, but she walked right past me like she didn't recognize me. Also, for her fan club out there, Jayden was working. It looks like she is back from wherever she went to. I didn't get to chat with her since she was busy with customers.
Layla (my ATF) was there too. She took some time to talk to me and catch up. We did a champagne room and she was quite fun. No extras, but she is a fun girl. She lost a little weight too. She said she is working on her teeth.
The girl that JHS 42 mentioned that was upfront about extras was called Sophie. Another dancer said that she doesn't work at YS anymore. She was caught giving a BJ to a customer and she was fired. The dancer also said she asked others for drugs. An old blind dog could tell Sophie was on something bad.
When I left around 3:30 am, the club was half full. Where did the crowd go?
All in all, I have a good time.[/QUOTE]isn't Sophie the girl that was from Brazil (day shift). That girl that always looked dazed and drugged out is Jessie.
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Erika at YS
[QUOTE=Hockeyboy; 1155588]Was there on Sunday, either the dancers made alot of money on Sat or they forgot to set their clock forward, as it was completely dead! There were only 5 dancers working on Sunday night, Jayden, Mariah, Erika, Gia and Taylor. Surprisingly, freaking Tom was there, which may explain why there weren't many dancers, as he is always checking the rooms. None of these dancers are my type and therefore not much to choose from.
Is Sophie the blonde that always looks dazed? I knew their was something weird with her, as she couldn't talk or walk straight most of the time. I met her once and she told me she was from Long Island. Too bad, they fire this one as she gave a great dance once. Oh well, it's the fun ones that they let go and the old timers that don't put up.[/QUOTE]Got a dance with Erika and was wishing I could get my money back. Short changed me on one of the songs and and was looking for the upsale. Shitty dance no friction at all.
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[QUOTE=Hockeyboy; 1155588]Was there on Sunday, either the dancers made alot of money on Sat or they forgot to set their clock forward, as it was completely dead! There were only 5 dancers working on Sunday night, Jayden, Mariah, Erika, Gia and Taylor. Surprisingly, freaking Tom was there, which may explain why there weren't many dancers, as he is always checking the rooms. None of these dancers are my type and therefore not much to choose from.
Is Sophie the blonde that always looks dazed? I knew their was something weird with her, as she couldn't talk or walk straight most of the time. I met her once and she told me she was from Long Island. Too bad, they fire this one as she gave a great dance once. Oh well, it's the fun ones that they let go and the old timers that don't put up. [/QUOTE]Sophie was the blonde that looked dazed. I once shook her hand and it was cold. I never got a dance from her because she looked too zoned out to me and on something.
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[QUOTE=Pink Chaser;1155766]Got a dance with Erika and was wishing I could get my money back. Short changed me on one of the songs and and was looking for the upsale. Shitty dance no friction at all.[/QUOTE]Next time if Jayden is there, get a dance from her. She's very sweet and will show you a good time.
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[QUOTE=Hockeyboy; 1155588]Was there on Sunday, either the dancers made alot of money on Sat or they forgot to set their clock forward, as it was completely dead! There were only 5 dancers working on Sunday night, Jayden, Mariah, Erika, Gia and Taylor. Surprisingly, freaking Tom was there, which may explain why there weren't many dancers, as he is always checking the rooms. None of these dancers are my type and therefore not much to choose from.
Is Sophie the blonde that always looks dazed? I knew their was something weird with her, as she couldn't talk or walk straight most of the time. I met her once and she told me she was from Long Island. Too bad, they fire this one as she gave a great dance once. Oh well, it's the fun ones that they let go and the old timers that don't put up. [/QUOTE]For the record, it's Donnie who is the closet perv peeping tom always looking in the rooms prick. I have never liked him. Don't know what it is but he just makes me dislike him. Most of the dancers that I speak to about him don't care for him either. He has a reputation of catching a girl breaking a rule and then demanding "service" to let her off the hook. Guy is a real douche.
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Jaden is good
[QUOTE=Hidell;1155968]Next time if Jayden is there, get a dance from her. She's very sweet and will show you a good time.[/QUOTE]Jaden is good that is why her name keeps coming up. Donnie is a jerk, no need to post details on an open forum, I enjoy my visits I alway like to be aware of my surroundings when I relax.
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Many replies
[QUOTE=Originalwook;1156009]For the record, it's Donnie who is the closet perv peeping tom always looking in the rooms prick. I have never liked him. Don't know what it is but he just makes me dislike him. Most of the dancers that I speak to about him don't care for him either. He has a reputation of catching a girl breaking a rule and then demanding "service" to let her off the hook. Guy is a real douche.[/QUOTE]You're right it's Donnie. I kept thinking of the freaking Peeping Tom and accidently called him Tom. This explains why those dancers that provide extras don't work on his shift and many of the regular patrons don't show up. There got be a way for us to rid of this bastard. He is destroying our fun!
To Pink Chaser, you're thinking of Silva who works the day shift. I used to get dances from her when she was better looking but somehow her looks harden and I just pass her requests, although she is very liberal with her dances if you're looking for that. She just looks dazed, I really don't think she is on anything. As for Erika's dance, I could've warn you about that one, stay clear of her. The last time I got a dance from her, she started in the middle of the dance and asked me how many dances I wanted and I just said one. She got really pissed and said that all her customers get at least 3 songs with her. I had no choice and it was the worse dance I ever had in that place, little touching allowed and very mechical.
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Silvia
[QUOTE=Hockeyboy; 1156105]You're right it's Donnie. I kept thinking of the freaking Peeping Tom and accidently called him Tom. This explains why those dancers that provide extras don't work on his shift and many of the regular patrons don't show up. There got be a way for us to rid of this bastard. He is destroying our fun!
To Pink Chaser, you're thinking of Silva who works the day shift. I used to get dances from her when she was better looking but somehow her looks harden and I just pass her requests, although she is very liberal with her dances if you're looking for that. She just looks dazed, I really don't think she is on anything. As for Erika's dance, I could've warn you about that one, stay clear of her. The last time I got a dance from her, she started in the middle of the dance and asked me how many dances I wanted and I just said one. She got really pissed and said that all her customers get at least 3 songs with her. I had no choice and it was the worse dance I ever had in that place, little touching allowed and very mechical.[/QUOTE]Your right on with Erika, shell never get another dollar from me (well maybe 1 or 2 while she's on stage I do enjoy looking at her, but Never another dance). It was Silva, your right. Silva has a great ass and pretty face but I don't like that hunch in her upper back and her tits are too bolt on looking. I can't put the name with the face on Sophia, I'm sure I have seen her as much as I go there though. Had the peeping Tom Donnie looking at me get a dance with Bella Saturday night, nothing destroys the mood more then having someone look in on you.
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YS Day visit
Hey all,
Been lurking about the past few weeks, but have a report to share.
Went into YS this afternoon, was dead. When I walked in all I could see were 3 girls. Started talking to a smaller Philippine chick, think her name was Layla? Couldn't hear too well to be honest. Talked for a bit, went in the back for some dances. After some mutual touching, she asked if she could make my happier in any way, I said of course. Once she made sure I wasnt Uncle LEO, she was happy to have a nice convo with mr happy. Spoke for a while, and after he got excited and just blurted out every where, we parted. It was $ for the dances, $10 for the room, $10 for cover, and $5 drink. Couldve looked for cheaper, but was in a hurry.
After the dances with her, there were more girls in the club. Two or 3 were very up front about what they would do. Have fun and be careful out there.
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YS Saturday
Being in town for the bball tournament I figured I would stop off at YS on the way out the St. Pete Forum and see what was up. Got in around 8:00 pm and was totally unimpressed with the talent. Saw someone that I had danced with before and gave her a wave. She stopped by to chat and we caught up on things. I mentioned how slow it was and the limited number of girls and she says,"Donnie is working and no one wants to work when he is here." No sooner had she said that, the little toad came out of the back and made a bee line for the rooms to check them out. He made his way through all of them and then went back to the back. Well, his presence certainly killed any hope of having any fun.
I left soon after that and headed to Hooters for some food. I returned about 10:00 and things had not improved much. Not much of a crowd and the ones that were there were decidedly ghetto as was the music. Not much in the way of talent again. All dancers present were either all inked up tattooed trailer trash or fat assed hispanic hoochie mammas. There was one dancer there that did interest me but her level of body art just disgusted me. Why an attractive woman would elect to mark up what is otherwise a nice body is beyond me.
I stayed until around midnight and the crowd never did pick up. Spoke with Layla for a minute and we shared our dislike of Donnie. It really seems like the girls ca not stand this guy and will do everything they can to avoid working when he is there. His favorite play is to catch a girl pushing the rule envelope so he can hold it over her. He will usually let her off the hook once she has screwed him or he gets a BJ out of it.
So, if the owners of YS ever read this, your continued employing of the piece of gutter trash is costing you business as I won't come in and spend any money in your club if I know Donnie is working. More importantly, his abuse of the female staff is going to get you sued one day.
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[QUOTE=Blondeluvr; 1158612]Hey all,
Been lurking about the past few weeks, but have a report to share.
Went into YS this afternoon, was dead. When I walked in all I could see were 3 girls. Started talking to a smaller Philippine chick, think her name was Layla? Couldn't hear too well to be honest. Talked for a bit, went in the back for some dances. After some mutual touching, she asked if she could make my happier in any way, I said of course. Once she made sure I wasnt Uncle LEO, she was happy to have a nice convo with mr happy. Spoke for a while, and after he got excited and just blurted out every where, we parted. It was $ for the dances, $10 for the room, $10 for cover, and $5 drink. Couldve looked for cheaper, but was in a hurry.
After the dances with her, there were more girls in the club. Two or 3 were very up front about what they would do. Have fun and be careful out there. [/QUOTE]Layla is not Philippine. She's a short blonde. I've seen the Philippine chick before, but I don't know what her name was. I usually don't visit during the day.
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[QUOTE=Originalwook; 1159245]Being in town for the bball tournament I figured I would stop off at YS on the way out the St. Pete Forum and see what was up. Got in around 8:00 pm and was totally unimpressed with the talent. Saw someone that I had danced with before and gave her a wave. She stopped by to chat and we caught up on things. I mentioned how slow it was and the limited number of girls and she says,"Donnie is working and no one wants to work when he is here." No sooner had she said that, the little toad came out of the back and made a bee line for the rooms to check them out. He made his way through all of them and then went back to the back. Well, his presence certainly killed any hope of having any fun.
I left soon after that and headed to Hooters for some food. I returned about 10:00 and things had not improved much. Not much of a crowd and the ones that were there were decidedly ghetto as was the music. Not much in the way of talent again. All dancers present were either all inked up tattooed trailer trash or fat assed hispanic hoochie mammas. There was one dancer there that did interest me but her level of body art just disgusted me. Why an attractive woman would elect to mark up what is otherwise a nice body is beyond me.
I stayed until around midnight and the crowd never did pick up. Spoke with Layla for a minute and we shared our dislike of Donnie. It really seems like the girls ca not stand this guy and will do everything they can to avoid working when he is there. His favorite play is to catch a girl pushing the rule envelope so he can hold it over her. He will usually let her off the hook once she has screwed him or he gets a BJ out of it.
So, if the owners of YS ever read this, your continued employing of the piece of gutter trash is costing you business as I won't come in and spend any money in your club if I know Donnie is working. More importantly, his abuse of the female staff is going to get you sued one day. [/QUOTE]Well, I was in Ybor Strip last night (Saturday) too! I arrived around 12:15 am, so I missed the great Wook! I need to drive faster next time.
It was indeed a slow night on Saturday. Last Saturday was so packed! I saw about 20 dancers. Faces I recognized was Michelle, Ireland, Allie, Ava, Katherine, Carrie, Elena, and Lexie. I chatted with Layla for a little bit and then I went to do some dances with her. She gives really fun dances. No extras, but the dances are fun. She is a pretty great personality too. Maybe she can be your "warm-up girl" for others.
I was speaking to another dancer about Donnie. She didn't like her either. She told me that if he caught a girl doing something naughty, he will ask the dancer to do to him what she did to customers to get her off the hook. I joked that if a girl was caught with me, I would say to Donnie,"Well, if she is going to get fired, I will suck you dick for her." I just want to see the look on his face when I say this! I guess I can get it on with a Beanie Weenie. .
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Ireland at YS
BTW, does anyone know if Ireland is ever going to retire? She has said for years that she is and I still see her there off and on.
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[QUOTE=Hidell; 1159468]Well, I was in Ybor Strip last night (Saturday) too! I arrived around 12:15 am, so I missed the great Wook! I need to drive faster next time.
It was indeed a slow night on Saturday. Last Saturday was so packed! I saw about 20 dancers. Faces I recognized was Michelle, Ireland, Allie, Ava, Katherine, Carrie, Elena, and Lexie. I chatted with Layla for a little bit and then I went to do some dances with her. She gives really fun dances. No extras, but the dances are fun. She is a pretty great personality too. Maybe she can be your "warm-up girl" for others.
I was speaking to another dancer about Donnie. She didn't like her either. She told me that if he caught a girl doing something naughty, he will ask the dancer to do to him what she did to customers to get her off the hook. I joked that if a girl was caught with me, I would say to Donnie,"Well, if she is going to get fired, I will suck you dick for her." I just want to see the look on his face when I say this! I guess I can get it on with a Beanie Weenie. . [/QUOTE]I could discount the Donnie stories if I heard them from just one of the dancers. But to hear the same basic story from multiple dancers during different visits, well, I can't discount that. He is truly a piece of gutter slime.
And yes, Ireland has been talking of retirement for years but she is still there. Maybe she is having to support her man and her wife so she can't retire just yet.
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I've heard the same stories about Donnie too from other dances, many who have been there for years. I really don't pay attention to him or talk to him anyway. None of the managers really recognize me. The barstaff and dancers do.
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[QUOTE=Hidell;1159529]I've heard the same stories about Donnie too from other dances, many who have been there for years. I really don't pay attention to him or talk to him anyway. None of the managers really recognize me. The barstaff and dancers do.[/QUOTE]Chuck and Daisy will always stop and say hellow when they see me. As for Donnie, I just discount his presence. But, it's hard not to pay attention to him when he stands outside of your VIP room and stares in to see what is going on. And then comes back 5 minutes later to do the same thing. It makes the dancer very uneasy and it just pisses me off.
But what enrages me even more is the fact that he will intimidate and sexually harass the dancers. That is no behavior for ANY manager no matter what the work environment is. I tell each dancer that gives me a Donnie story that he will never stop unless you do something to make him stop.
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[QUOTE=Originalwook; 1159537]Chuck and Daisy will always stop and say hellow when they see me. As for Donnie, I just discount his presence. But, it's hard not to pay attention to him when he stands outside of your VIP room and stares in to see what is going on. And then comes back 5 minutes later to do the same thing. It makes the dancer very uneasy and it just pisses me off.
But what enrages me even more is the fact that he will intimidate and sexually harass the dancers. That is no behavior for ANY manager no matter what the work environment is. I tell each dancer that gives me a Donnie story that he will never stop unless you do something to make him stop. [/QUOTE]Chuck and Daisy are pretty nice. I hardly see Chuck, but he did recognize me.
As for Donnie, his behavior is pretty horrible. In any work environment, sexual harrassment can be a Human Resources issue. I think the dancers need to gang up and do something.
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Speaking of Ybor Strip managers, I saw a female one with dark, curly hair. She didn't look very happy to be there. I'm not sure if I've seen her before.
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[QUOTE=Hidell;1159586]Speaking of Ybor Strip managers, I saw a female one with dark, curly hair. She didn't look very happy to be there. I'm not sure if I've seen her before.[/QUOTE]-
Can not think of her name at the moment but she has been there for some time. Works mostly week nights I think and the occasional weekend.
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Ireland
[QUOTE=Hidell;1159470]BTW, does anyone know if Ireland is ever going to retire? She has said for years that she is and I still see her there off and on.[/QUOTE]Hopefully soon, I can't stand that annoying high pitched voice! She is there more then the furniture. On another note the girl that works the desk (Halana, don't think the spellings right) during the week has a very pretty face and some nice tits but needs to lose some weight. Maybe some hidden potential.
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Female Manager at YS
[QUOTE=Hidell;1159586]Speaking of Ybor Strip managers, I saw a female one with dark, curly hair. She didn't look very happy to be there. I'm not sure if I've seen her before.[/QUOTE]Her name is Sabrinia. Works Thursday, Friday and some Saturday nights. She's always wearing a tight skirt and she looks better then many of the dancers.
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Ireland
[QUOTE=Pink Chaser;1160133]Hopefully soon, I can't stand that annoying high pitched voice! She is there more then the furniture. On another note the girl that works the desk (Halana, don't think the spellings right) during the week has a very pretty face and some nice tits but needs to lose some weight. Maybe some hidden potential.[/QUOTE]Ireland told me in 2008 that she was retiring at the end of the year which was about 6 weeks away. Fast forward to February 2011, the last time I was there, and who is still there and has been for virtually every visit in between? She is one of those dancers that is always a month away from quitting, but never does.
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Can not think of her name at the moment but she has been there for some time. Works mostly week nights I think and the occasional weekend. [/QUOTE]I'm getting old because I remember her first day there. Mina was still working, introduced us.
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[QUOTE=Pjtoms;1160193]Ireland told me in 2008 that she was retiring at the end of the year which was about 6 weeks away. Fast forward to February 2011, the last time I was there, and who is still there and has been for virtually every visit in between? She is one of those dancers that is always a month away from quitting, but never does.[/QUOTE]I remember that same song and dance. May have been in 2008. But it could have easily been 2006. I guess believe it when she offers a going-out-of-business sale.
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Ybor strip-blonde barbie
Anyone know if she provides extras.
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Shakes77; 1160859]Anyone know if she provides extras.
Thanks[/QUOTE]It's been my experience with her, pretty much, no. Her dances got a little "better" than her first year but no extras and an occasional bad-mouthing of girls (in general) who do.
If other have had better luck, congrats.
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[QUOTE=Tucker40; 1161056]It's been my experience with her, pretty much, no. Her dances got a little "better" than her first year but no extras and an occasional bad-mouthing of girls (in general) who do.
If other have had better luck, congrats. [/QUOTE]No, that pretty much mirrors my experience with her. She was pretty up front about not breaking any of the rukes and bitched about the one that do. Her dances were pretty lame as well.
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Mardi Gras?
Has anyone been to this Mardi Gras club on Gandy? I see them advertising all the time on BP recently, but it's kind of a far drive for me to just "check out".
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So many questions.
There seem to be a lot of new fellas with no posts asking for details. Maybe their handles should be BuckhornsBadgeBoy001, BuckhornsBadgeBoy002, etc.
Or maybe I'm mistaken.
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[QUOTE=Longhairngotee; 1161433]There seem to be a lot of new fellas with no posts asking for details. Maybe their handles should be BuckhornsBadgeBoy001, BuckhornsBadgeBoy002, etc.
Or maybe I'm mistaken. [/QUOTE]Yea, I kind of wonder what will happen to the nude club scene now that Bobby Boy is King of Tampa.
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Wrong neighborhood
[QUOTE=Originalgamer;1161269]Has anyone been to this Mardi Gras club on Gandy? I see them advertising all the time on BP recently, but it's kind of a far drive for me to just "check out".[/QUOTE]Have you tried searching the St. Pete forum? The place is over there.
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[QUOTE=Originalwook;1161538]Yea, I kind of wonder what will happen to the nude club scene now that Bobby Boy is King of Tampa.[/QUOTE]What scene? I thought it was already banned, outlawed, and given a scarlet letter to all those that participate.
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[QUOTE=Originalgamer;1161269]Has anyone been to this Mardi Gras club on Gandy? I see them advertising all the time on BP recently, but it's kind of a far drive for me to just "check out".[/QUOTE]Not worth it, small place wine & beer only. The hottest chick there is the red headed bartender & she's a 7 at best. The rest of the girls, one belly is bigger than the other. $20 lap dance & they have a private area too.
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Ys
The strip was weak this weekend. Not many girls working Fri or Sat night. I'd say maybe 12-15. They are a couple of new faces, one of the new girls is named Jen or Jenni? Nice looking blond girl from Tennessee with thick ass and tattoo on the small of her back. Did not get a chance to get a dance from her. There was some good news that peeping tom Don was nowhere in sight either night.
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Scores
I'm not typically one to gush about a strip club visit, as in my experience they'll all about the same. But spent some time at Scores this past week with a very fine young lady, Alex. Best time I've ever had in a club like this. But I mean that in a nice way as she was sweet, had a brain, was beautiful (blonde. I think she looked like P. Hilton) , and great to converse with. Nothing more than that, but didn't need anything more. Top notch.
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[QUOTE=Gordo325;1164442]I'm not typically one to gush about a strip club visit, as in my experience they'll all about the same. But spent some time at Scores this past week with a very fine young lady, Alex. Best time I've ever had in a club like this. But I mean that in a nice way as she was sweet, had a brain, was beautiful (blonde. I think she looked like P. Hilton) , and great to converse with. Nothing more than that, but didn't need anything more. Top notch.[/QUOTE]I miss Tampa of old when you could get a nice menu presented at just about every club.
She looked like Perez Hilton. LOL
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[QUOTE=Pink Chaser;1164433]The strip was weak this weekend. Not many girls working Fri or Sat night. I'd say maybe 12-15. They are a couple of new faces, one of the new girls is named Jen or Jenni? Nice looking blond girl from Tennessee with thick ass and tattoo on the small of her back. Did not get a chance to get a dance from her. There was some good news that peeping tom Don was nowhere in sight either night.[/QUOTE]Supposedly he only works one night a week, either Fri. Or Sat. If he was not there, consider yourself lucky! I think I'll head to the Doll House in Jax this weekend. Time to give YS and their gestapo management a rest for a while.
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Scores
[QUOTE=Gordo325;1164442]I'm not typically one to gush about a strip club visit, as in my experience they'll all about the same. But spent some time at Scores this past week with a very fine young lady, Alex. Best time I've ever had in a club like this. But I mean that in a nice way as she was sweet, had a brain, was beautiful (blonde. I think she looked like P. Hilton) , and great to converse with. Nothing more than that, but didn't need anything more. Top notch.[/QUOTE]Any chance she was from Orlando or Cocoa Beach? I met a very nice young blonde in Cocoa a couple of months ago and she told me that she came to Score's in Tampa on the weekends and the way to describe her sounds very similar. I'd like to see her again.
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[QUOTE=Daf918;1164701]Any chance she was from Orlando or Cocoa Beach? I met a very nice young blonde in Cocoa a couple of months ago and she told me that she came to Score's in Tampa on the weekends and the way to describe her sounds very similar. I'd like to see her again.[/QUOTE]She didn't mention it anything local to FL, but I think in the past from out in western USA One of you guys needs to get back in there and propose.