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[QUOTE=AthJun;6102200]A few years ago when everything in Warren was raided, they kept records of all the license plates and then went after people who'd made at least 3 visits that year. I don't know the details after that. It's still a good idea to park elsewhere if you don't want to be approached and asked about it.[/QUOTE]This doesn't sound right. In 2012 when the Warren spas got raided I used to go at least once a week for years, sometimes twice a week. I knew all the mamasans & most of the girls. I always parked in the parking lot. Never heard a word from any Law enforcement organization. If you were that nervous maybe you shouldn't be going.

Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.

[QUOTE=MoonDoggie;6103728]This doesn't sound right. In 2012 when the Warren spas got raided I used to go at least once a week for years, sometimes twice a week. I knew all the mamasans & most of the girls. I always parked in the parking lot. Never heard a word from any Law enforcement organization. If you were that nervous maybe you shouldn't be going.

Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2013/08/a_year_later_warren_massage_pa.html[/URL]

There are a bunch of things written like the above. You're absolutely right- I did decide that it wasn't worth having my car recorded on someone's surveillance, so I've changed my ways. Just a personal decision. Clearly, the stuff in Warren didn't change much, although I think there's been some momentum lately and I'm not sure we can continue to expect things to come out the same with all these raids. As others have pointed out, there's still not a lot they can do except light a fire under you, but I think it's worth keeping one's eyes open. They do put up cameras, and license plates are recorded. A little awareness never hurt.

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Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.[/QUOTE]The Hot Dog Shoppe is great! So is Buena Vista Cafe. Owner is a good dude and they have great fried chicken and calamari with fire dipping sauce. Support your city businesses! I spend as few dollars as possible in the burbs, our cities need rebuilt and more job opportunities!

C92.

[QUOTE=MoonDoggie;6103728]This doesn't sound right. In 2012 when the Warren spas got raided I used to go at least once a week for years, sometimes twice a week. I knew all the mamasans & most of the girls. I always parked in the parking lot. Never heard a word from any Law enforcement organization. If you were that nervous maybe you shouldn't be going.

Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.[/QUOTE]I have been going to warren before the raids, I went during the raid period and after the raids and always parked in the lot. Never an ounce of worry or trouble.

[QUOTE=TontoMonger;6102672]Cops can knock on your door anytime they want to. They'll be really friendly and nice and say something like "we just want to ask you some questions about why your vehicle was observed at such and such spa. " Then they'll shut up and wait for you to incriminate yourself, or, tell them that unless they have a warrant, you want them off your property and not to come back without one. However, now you have to answer the question to your significant other, and she never needs a warrant and you have no Miranda rights. So, the cops have accomplished their goal of fucking up your life anyway. Pricks.[/QUOTE]Whats actually interesting is, most of the women stay with the married mongers who get caught in this sort of thing. Excluding those who are swingers or had an agreement, I would imagine most of them that choose to stay are the women with dudes that are woman beaters, are cheating themselves, are just really fucking stupid, or any variation or combination of the previously mentioned scenarios. I don't understand that mentality, if I'm a loyal woman and I got fucked around on, me personally I'm taking the dude to the cleaners in divorce, using the money to buy a house, and leaving, not staying with him like an idiot LOL. No sympathy for the mongers cheating with a good woman at home. Sympathy for the dorky guy or guy with an abusive or neglectful wife that has never or rarely mongers and was trying to get his rocks off, those are the dudes I look out for and think should be let go.

Experience in this hobby definitely helps with confidence in interviews and such, have to control myself from being arrogant though. But I'd be a liar if I said, even when having the most intelligent conversation with someone in a superior position, in the back of my head I'm not thinking either of these things: if my boss is a guy its: "Yeah they seem smart, but would they fall for an obvious sting?" or if its a woman its: "Yeah they seem smart, but would they leave their significant other if said significant other were to be caught in a sting?" its like yeah, if they wouldn't leave depending on circumstances they are a complete fucking idiot. Narcissistic of me, yeah a bit, something I have to work on, but its just all fascinating to me how much this online game has essentially made everything the streets even moreso then it already was. Kind of like the Ready Player One Oasis will be if it goes live in December of 2025.

Proof of this "everything becoming the streets" thing happened recently in a regular date that I had. I'm really making an effort to not monger anymore, I have a few long term regulars that have become friends that I won't give up but in general if things don't work out with them, I'd ideally like to have a relationship. The date was actually interesting, at the end though she talks about a cop she dated that "was with this escort off the skipthegames website. " Hilarious because I look like the last guy that would be a veteran monger, so she just assumes I'm some random that has no idea what that is. But its like, her inflection, you could tell she still wanted him and if anything even if I did get laid out of the deal or it went anywhere shed always have him on her mind. So I essentially cut it off and didn't see her again. Kind of sucks and doesn't suck at the same time having so much vice and life experience that I can kind of see multiple moves in advance of how a potential relationship can go, there is that minimal chance I just ignore what I saw and it worked out, but I know better, I saved myself some headaches, to go any further its kind of like with the vibes she gave off, if I were to go all in and continue, I would be an idiot for proceeding with the relationship because she knows she implied that I would be second in line, which would give her the right in her mind to take me to the cleaners if I cultivated any type of relationship, because I hypothetically would an idiot for doing so in her mind because she clearly established with those subtle cues what she really wanted. Not to mention she seemed to be anti-hooker / hobby as well, talking about how much of a POS the cop dude was, which I can't really get behind, to be that way is to be anti-personal freedom. But its hilarious because despite those comments, she clearly still wanted the dude who she had full knowledge that was partaking in the "non accepted" ways of our hobby and just assumed I knew nothing about the hobby LOL and was just a potential mark in her eyes. Why the fuck can't there just be a woman out there, who doesn't like woman beaters, enjoys doing the simple things like grocery shopping, ordering food, and watching movies, and they have no ex drama? Shouldn't be this hard. Hopefully the right lady for me comes around someday. Wish that for all of the decent guys on here and everywhere.

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[QUOTE=BardsTale;6105007]I have been going to warren before the raids, I went during the raid period and after the raids and always parked in the lot. Never an ounce of worry or trouble.[/QUOTE]Same here.

[QUOTE=FigureRingLyle;6108498]Same here.[/QUOTE]If I were unattached I would probably feel the same but there's a different dynamic if you wear a ring. Those cameras on the poles weren't for bird watching, Either of you two married just curious, either way it wasn't like I was parking in Youngstown maybe a 2 minute walk for not a fail safe but a little piece of mind.

[QUOTE=PhlipPhlop;6108578]If I were unattached I would probably feel the same but there's a different dynamic if you wear a ring. Those cameras on the poles weren't for bird watching, Either of you two married just curious, either way it wasn't like I was parking in Youngstown maybe a 2 minute walk for not a fail safe but a little piece of mind.[/QUOTE]I'm not, so I guess I see where you are coming from.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eIvuoLps8[/URL]

30 years of law enforcement, back to back rookie mistakes in back to back nights. Guess just didn't pay attention to how he did his own job the whole 30 years? Astonishing that these are the people holding these positions. Vintage Judd, even whipping out one of Chunks' favorites, the "high ranking official" line. Great listen for your morning commute!

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[QUOTE=Chunks92;6107648] I'd ideally like to have a relationship. The date was actually interesting, at the end though she talks about a cop she dated that "was with this escort off the skipthegames website. " Hilarious because I look like the last guy that would be a veteran monger, so she just assumes I'm some random that has no idea what that is. But its like, her inflection, you could tell she still wanted him and if anything even if I did get laid out of the deal or it went anywhere shed always have him on her mind. So I essentially cut it off and didn't see her again. Kind of sucks and doesn't suck at the same time having so much vice and life experience that I can kind of see multiple moves in advance of how a potential relationship can go, there is that minimal chance I just ignore what I saw and it worked out, but I know better, I saved myself some headaches.

C92.[/QUOTE]Or another side would be you're afraid to get your heart broken. Sort of I don't want to go to work I just want to be wealthy. You have to invest to have a long-term relationship you don't know it wouldn't have worked out maybe she would have loved you so much that she would've forgotten that guy. You don't know, you think you know but you don't. Everyone that has been in a long-term relationship or has been married has had to take the chance that it would work out. Or it wouldn't. You have to pay the dues there are no shortcuts. I know this sounds preachy. Do you want to be wealthy? You have to get up in the morning and put your pants on and do the work. Do you want to be happy in love you have to put your pants on, not just type on the computer and say I know what will happen-cause you don't.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6109513][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eIvuoLps8[/URL]

30 years of law enforcement, back to back rookie mistakes in back to back nights. Guess just didn't pay attention to how he did his own job the whole 30 years? Astonishing that these are the people holding these positions. Vintage Judd, even whipping out one of Chunks' favorites, the "high ranking official" line. Great listen for your morning commute!

C92.[/QUOTE]Watched that video, amazes me how much of asshole some LE is. This guy basically broke a misdemeanor law, will result in a fine, and they are going to ruin his life to the point an average person might become suicidal, and he is all pompous about it. The crime, if it is two consenting adults agreeing to have some fun for pay is less than smoking a joint in the grand scheme of things. Yea the guy who broke the crime screwed up, not the least of which was failing to research and even engaging in Polk County Florida at all, but seriously, he screwed up in something that is legal in many places around the world, and has been around since the beginning of time, why try to get him to kill himself.

[QUOTE=NickNock986;6109881]Watched that video, amazes me how much of asshole some LE is. This guy basically broke a misdemeanor law, will result in a fine, and they are going to ruin his life to the point an average person might become suicidal, and he is all pompous about it. The crime, if it is two consenting adults agreeing to have some fun for pay is less than smoking a joint in the grand scheme of things. Yea the guy who broke the crime screwed up, not the least of which was failing to research and even engaging in Polk County Florida at all, but seriously, he screwed up in something that is legal in many places around the world, and has been around since the beginning of time, why try to get him to kill himself.[/QUOTE]Judd is a big time asshole. Lot to learn from him though. We have to learn from others mistakes and others tactics. Hopefully this poor bastard can rebuild his life. With so many cops partaking in the hobby, it really shouldn't be enforced. It just makes no sense to hurt your taxpayers with so many sitting on their ass collecting money and out committing real crime.

C92.

[QUOTE=MoonDoggie;6109545]Or another side would be you're afraid to get your heart broken. Sort of I don't want to go to work I just want to be wealthy. You have to invest to have a long-term relationship you don't know it wouldn't have worked out maybe she would have loved you so much that she would've forgotten that guy. You don't know, you think you know but you don't. Everyone that has been in a long-term relationship or has been married has had to take the chance that it would work out. Or it wouldn't. You have to pay the dues there are no shortcuts. I know this sounds preachy. Do you want to be wealthy? You have to get up in the morning and put your pants on and do the work. Do you want to be happy in love you have to put your pants on, not just type on the computer and say I know what will happen-cause you don't.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am afraid of putting a lot in only to be hurt again. A negative aspect of being spot on in a lot of predictions is that I can arrogantly jump to conclusions, something I have to work on. Not preachy, genuinely appreciate the input. All of us should try to pick each other up in these times and try to be better men every day. its a cruel world out there, especially since it seems like trying to help others is stigmatized negatively these days. Much love to all of you on here.

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