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[QUOTE=Sunycide; 1092517]Geez Louise. You reply to messages like ou advertise!

Hahaha. Surely you see the comedy there! I kid cause I care. I look forward to these possible changes at ABE. Perhaps they might make me try out your service. Maybe.[/QUOTE]I think the rub is pricing and perception. If you look at what might be considered market price (taken from two other boards that I will not give here or via pm out of respect to Jackson) is $250. $350 for FS and often multiple shots on goal. You will need to pass screening, but there is no upsell and you know what you are going to get when you walk in the door. As and example, there is a service in Lexington that charges $325 / hr. For that you get a smoking hottie in her 20s, FS and 1-2 shots.

For ABE, you have to pay a door fee, then negotiate for something that may are may not happen. I'll do this with massage girls, but not when I'm already laying down $. They advertise as escorts, so the perception is typically FS in my book.

Saw GoddessHailey today. A definite repeat is in order. Friendly, non rushed with a wonderful smile and attitude.

She advertises under the heading GODDESS.

PM if you require details.

Ok whats the place in Lexington?

Vickie should know to send marketing emails to herself (with guys included as blind courtesy copies) so the guys do not see the email addys of the other guys. With basic mistakes like that being made one wonders what else Vickie or whoever is in charge doesn't know. I hate to be negative, but it is what it is. What we're seeing is supposed to be the "new A. B. E" that has repaired the problems of the past. These aren't my words. They are Vickie's about A. B. E. getting it right now. Again, I'm sorry to be negative.

I'm still very doubtful about the basic approach. I have to ask, are the girls with different menus behind one $/door with a no-refund door fee due before the guy sees who is working that day? If the first girl doesn't have the menu can the guy check the menu with a second girl without another trip through the same $/door? What if everybody is dance and self-service and the guy is not looking for dance and self-service? What if only one girl is working that day? What happens then?

The answer to similar questions has been we should come and see for ourselves. Personally, I don't want to find out the hard way. That's asking a lot from us.

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1093373]Vickie should know to send marketing emails to herself (with guys included as blind courtesy copies) so the guys do not see the email addys of the other guys. With basic mistakes like that being made one wonders what else Vickie or whoever is in charge doesn't know. I hate to be negative, but it is what it is. What we're seeing is supposed to be the "new A. B. E" that has repaired the problems of the past. These aren't my words. They are Vickie's about A. B. E. Getting it right now. Again, I'm sorry to be negative.

I'm still very doubtful about the basic approach. I have to ask, are the girls with different menus behind one $/door with a no-refund door fee due before the guy sees who is working that day? If the first girl doesn't have the menu can the guy check the menu with a second girl without another trip through the same $/door? What if everybody is dance and self-service and the guy is not looking for dance and self-service? What if only one girl is working that day? What happens then?

The answer to similar questions has been we should come and see for ourselves. Personally, I don't want to find out the hard way. That's asking a lot from us. [/QUOTE]I guess it all boils down to a simple choice. Do you spend money and hope you get what you paid for and take a risk that you'll leave disappointed or do you spend the money on seeing a woman who is a sure thing? I don't have tons of play money so I'm always going to visit the ladies who I'm sure will provide the services I seek.

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1093373]Vickie should know to send marketing emails to herself (with guys included as blind courtesy copies) so the guys do not see the email addys of the other guys. With basic mistakes like that being made one wonders what else Vickie or whoever is in charge doesn't know. I hate to be negative, but it is what it is. What we're seeing is supposed to be the "new A. B. E" that has repaired the problems of the past. These aren't my words. They are Vickie's about A. B. E. Getting it right now. Again, I'm sorry to be negative.

I'm still very doubtful about the basic approach. I have to ask, are the girls with different menus behind one $/door with a no-refund door fee due before the guy sees who is working that day? If the first girl doesn't have the menu can the guy check the menu with a second girl without another trip through the same $/door? What if everybody is dance and self-service and the guy is not looking for dance and self-service? What if only one girl is working that day? What happens then?

The answer to similar questions has been we should come and see for ourselves. Personally, I don't want to find out the hard way. That's asking a lot from us. [/QUOTE]You'll find that the conversation about the service precedes the service. That way you know what you're getting before spending the money. The "no refund" policy applies after you've paid for basic service and are in session. You don't pay more than once to find out the specifics of the services offered by each girl. You speak with the girl or guy of your choice in person and in private, then decide whether you want to services offered. All this happens before you spend a dime.

Also, we don't send emails to ourselves with hidden copies to clients. We ask clients to email us from private, anonymous email accounts and private telephone numbers. This is standard practice for professional services, guys, and is handled this way for a specific reason. You should PM me if you want to understand how this works to protect the provider and the hobbyist. Whatever system you use for your individual protection is fine. I'm talking about a way of conversing that cannot be used later to condemn anyone. It's not one I invented; it's adapted from professional services and has been used effectively for decades.

There isn't a single provider here who would answer many of the questions asked in public about private sessions, guys. The girls I have fired from A. B. E were careless in their approach to this very important stage of meeting clients and giving them proper service. They put the client in jeopardy for the sake of on-the-spot money.

That damages the company and the girl in the process, and really does endanger the privacy of the hobbyist. I don't tell the girls one way or the other to go FS. Of course I know who does and doesn't. I just give them the opportunity to decide when they meet the client whether they can trust the person they're with.

That's not really bad business, is it?

Met with Lilly the other day, I must say she has a great set of tits. One of the best times I have spent with a provider

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1093373]Vickie should know to send marketing emails to herself (with guys included as blind courtesy copies) so the guys do not see the email addys of the other guys. With basic mistakes like that being made one wonders what else Vickie or whoever is in charge doesn't know. I hate to be negative, but it is what it is. What we're seeing is supposed to be the "new A. B. E" that has repaired the problems of the past. These aren't my words. They are Vickie's about A. B. E. Getting it right now. Again, I'm sorry to be negative.

I'm still very doubtful about the basic approach. I have to ask, are the girls with different menus behind one $/door with a no-refund door fee due before the guy sees who is working that day? If the first girl doesn't have the menu can the guy check the menu with a second girl without another trip through the same $/door? What if everybody is dance and self-service and the guy is not looking for dance and self-service? What if only one girl is working that day? What happens then?

The answer to similar questions has been we should come and see for ourselves. Personally, I don't want to find out the hard way. That's asking a lot from us. [/QUOTE]I answered the email issue before, GC, We simply responded to a bulk email that was sent to us. It was our mistake, apparently, as several of the addresses where not anonymous. I had a total of three (3) complaints about revealing info in the bulk email. All others responding were favorable to receiving the new information and several registered with the company. The lesson for me was to never forward bulk email messages, period.

We handle email messages individually now, regardless of the anonymity of the address of the sender. It just avoids the problem that you noted. We also advise clients using our website to contact us with anonymous, private email addresses (it's explained in the VIP Registration link.)

As for the "meet and greet" process, it all occurs before spending any considerable time or any money, GC. I assume you guys do the same when you meet other providers (either independents, or those with other companies here that do not advertise as companies.) I can't imagine they would discuss this with any hobbyist in any public way before meeting in person. The girls I had that did this are no longer my girls, for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=Jake 4119;1093420]I guess it all boils down to a simple choice. Do you spend money and hope you get what you paid for and take a risk that you'll leave disappointed or do you spend the money on seeing a woman who is a sure thing? I don't have tons of play money so I'm always going to visit the ladies who I'm sure will provide the services I seek.[/QUOTE]How did find out she was a "sure thing" before using her, Jake? You can browse forums like this, but ultimately it comes down to a face-to-face, private conversation. If she told you over the phone or in an email message directly what she'd do, I can only hope you brought extra money to the session just in case someone had to pay the bond to get you out of jail.

Agencies exist for this very reason. We pre-screen providers and hobbyists. We also bring both those seeking and those providing together. If you understand this basic point, you'll understand much of the criticism of A. B. E. I know it's not what you've been used to, but at least stick your toe in the water.

So to speak.

[QUOTE=Jake 4119;1093420]I guess it all boils down to a simple choice. Do you spend money and hope you get what you paid for and take a risk that you'll leave disappointed or do you spend the money on seeing a woman who is a sure thing? I don't have tons of play money so I'm always going to visit the ladies who I'm sure will provide the services I seek.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Joelouky;1093565]What girls were fired for giving the full ride? This is the first I have heard of this.[/QUOTE]Not for providing FS, Joe. They were let go for being careless in the way they went about it. Hobbyist-provider relationships-at least the best ones-are long-term professional ones. The best way to keep you guys happy is to keep what is done private and personal to the two people involved.

Or more than two, if you're into that sort of thing.

I don't know about the service, but I do appreciate that Vicky has been polite in the conversation even under fire. That is rare on the internet. It does make me want to risk it sometime with her service.

On another note. I really wish more providers and agencies would use a service like P411 where they could do a good screening without me having to give individuals sensitive information. The less people and places that have copies of my information the better. It is also a good way to feel confident that the provider is legit.

I know some will say just give references. Well for me I probably only see someone a few times a year. I doubt many of the providers I have seen even remember me.

[QUOTE=Abe Girl Vicky; 1093619]Not to be dramatic here, but exactly WHO is this mutual friend of ours? You can PM me, of course.

As for business savvy, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. We've grown from two and 1/2 rooms on one floor of a building to occupying the entire building, posting so much paid advertising that it's irritating and having more providers on the roster. I thought we were doing pretty well, financially speaking. I think I'll stick with my model and let you stick to the "Funny" model of entertaining your guests.

There is no "Bumper Balls" consultant onsite, SP. A savvy person verifies her information before holding it out as true, which, being savvy, you surely must have done given your expertise. That's your cue to drop a name, publicly.

"Madam Vicky?" First time I head that phrase since your best friend Scoresman used it. Are you two in love, or is this public spat of yours a temporary thing? Not being catty (honestly,) but your comment did remind me so much of him. I miss him so much.

I don't know about the whole "brains before beauty" observation, though. Like most women, I have appearance issues. I did flirt with a teacher or two to get those passing grades. And to be able to generate enough personal and business income to found a licensed professional escort service. Hope that counts for something. [/QUOTE]Can you explain the 5-0 there and a receiving stolen property mishap at your building, that is what scares me from going.

[QUOTE=Abe Girl Vicky; 1093619]Not to be dramatic here, but exactly WHO is this mutual friend of ours? You can PM me, of course.

As for business savvy, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. We've grown from two and 1/2 rooms on one floor of a building to occupying the entire building, posting so much paid advertising that it's irritating and having more providers on the roster. I thought we were doing pretty well, financially speaking. I think I'll stick with my model and let you stick to the "Funny" model of entertaining your guests.

There is no "Bumper Balls" consultant onsite, SP. A savvy person verifies her information before holding it out as true, which, being savvy, you surely must have done given your expertise. That's your cue to drop a name, publicly.

"Madam Vicky?" First time I head that phrase since your best friend Scoresman used it. Are you two in love, or is this public spat of yours a temporary thing? Not being catty (honestly,) but your comment did remind me so much of him. I miss him so much.

I don't know about the whole "brains before beauty" observation, though. Like most women, I have appearance issues. I did flirt with a teacher or two to get those passing grades. And to be able to generate enough personal and business income to found a licensed professional escort service. Hope that counts for something. [/QUOTE]I'll say this Vicky. You have beautiful women working for you and I'm still hesitant to use your service until I begin seeing and hearing good reviews. But you are a genuinely class act. Seriously. The way you handle yourself on here is excellent.

Vicky and I have worked things out and she has been very understanding through the whole thing. I hope to join her place and look forward to having a good time.

I just discovered this website earlier today. I've enjoyed the body rub scene since I've gotten into the hobby in Feb. My experiences have been really good so far. I keep my expectations very realistic and know that HJ is all I should expect for my money.

There is some really great ladies that give more but I believe it is a YMMV circumstance.

I highly recommend Chelsey. She is amazing with her hands!