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[QUOTE=TheOuroboros;7184954]Lmao. I guess that's one way to interpret it tho.
Ill PM you the real story because she actively checks the board and Im not going to out myself as they have told me they are already seeking legal litigation on the culprit[/QUOTE]How the fuck will any of this hold up in court? How can she prove that said monger was taking about her and how can she proves who he is per his alias name and real name? Is there something here I'm missing?
If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?
Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.
Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?
Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?
[QUOTE=Azf06;7434886]Only a couple people seem to have noticed, but it was OP who broke the trust first and threatened to post the whole conversation public. And it was after that, that the agency supposedly made a threat. It wasn't over the minor scheduling issue. Agency was supposedly berating him over that but no threats.
Both parties are wrong. OP should have just blocked and moved on if he thought he was mistreated. Agency should have blocked and moved on once OP made his threat.
Some of why'all are wild af tho. LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435149]If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?
Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.
Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?
Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?[/QUOTE]I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private conversation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.
I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.
If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.
Did I say that? LOL.
I'm assuming we are all adults making big boy decisions. And at the end of the day, you can do whatever you want to do. But what is the point of announcing it?
If a receptionist is berating me because I'm retarded, I go: "Sorry, this ain't going to work out. " And I'll take my leave, spend my money elsewhere, and post my rant on Google, Facebook, Yelp, and Corporate Office.
What are your expectations if you are threatening to make the conversation public? Change of heart / attitude? Discounts? Freebies? Nonsense. Have some self respect.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435149]If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?
Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.
Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?
Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?[/QUOTE]
Again, the conflict happened. And the Booker threatened to out his pii info. For many mongers, outing pii info means a ruined life. A ruined career and / or family.
If the Booker resorts to that in a verbal conflict, this is a big problem. How many more times would the boomer resort to that threat?
I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.
So the receptionist berated me, I say okay I will write a bad review and then receptionist takes out a shank or a gun and says okay I will ruin your life.
? How is this acceptable? The pii info supposed to be sacred and only exposed in case of a guy being dangerous. This is just power abuse. You don't want truth to be exposed publicly? Well how about treat monger with respect. If you didn't berate him he would have nothing to say! So you threaten to ruin his life over him publicly stating truth?
People are too caught up in analyzing how to avoid conflict or what the guy has done wrong, to justify what the Booker has done wrong.
I know for sure, that if roles were reversed and the monger would threaten to ruin a girls life, or threatened violence, he'd be blacklisted immediately. No one would care what the Booker did wrong or how the conflict arose. And they'd be right.
So how come the threat of ruined monger life is being taken so lightly? Just because they sell pussy ther life is worth more?
[QUOTE=Konichi1;7435263]I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private converslllllation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.
I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.
If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.[/QUOTE]
Making decisions with their little head instead of their big head.
[QUOTE=MikeWhiskey;7435544]Exactly why you shouldn't hand over your pii to these agencies. They don't erase it as promised and your pii will end up in a LEO agency you don't want service from.[/QUOTE]You gifted her the ammunition. Homie didn't think of self preservation and did an ego check. And analyzing his faults is a good thing on this information forum so future mongers can be made aware of the risks and how to handle / not handle similar situations.
Deescalate. Apologize. Confirm safety. Then spread your experience to the whole world. Maybe it's different in California and they have the customer is always right type shit? T_T.
Side note: Does Elin from AG look familiar? I feel like I saw her pic from a Cali store a month ago.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435386]I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.
So the receptionist berated me, I say okay I will write a bad review and then receptionist takes out a shank or a gun and says okay I will ruin your life.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Konichi1;7435263]I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private conversation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.
I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.
If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.[/QUOTE]It's funny to me that much of the discussion, very argumentative by some, around the post is focused on something everyone has expressed agreement with: the threat of disclosing PII was wrong.
Even if people agreed on which side was responsible for the blow up or started the threats what do that do for insights for how to avoid such events in the future? For Jay it seems there were initially two general problems: 1) a messed up schedule where the two sides thought the day was different and 2) dissatisfaction with the things the booker said when he wasn't available to quickly respond the the booker's texts looking for the appointment confirmation.
Not enough info about the first issue, but probably things like echoing back what the other says and repeating details to be sure both are on the same page helps in general. Having the phone handy around when you're expected to be available to respond seems like it would have prevented the second issue. And as you note, there was never any good reason to tell the book about making a public statement about their interaction. Had that never been said no threats about PII would have been made.
Seems like too often people want to focus on blaming and punishing rather that improving and solving problems.
Apologize for being berated?
Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?
Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.
We should have exact same standards here.
The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.
The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.
I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.
[QUOTE=Azf06;7435682]Making decisions with their little head instead of their big head.
You gifted her the ammunition. Homie didn't think of self preservation and did an ego check. And analyzing his faults is a good thing on this information forum so future mongers can be made aware of the risks and how to handle / not handle similar situations.
Deescalate. Apologize. Confirm safety. Then spread your experience to the whole world. Maybe it's different in California and they have the customer is always right type shit? T_T.
Side note: Does Elin from AG look familiar? I feel like I saw her pic from a Cali store a month ago.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JacobsPatrick;7435906]I agree with you in part, but I believe the real issue is that an agency that keeps the pii of its customers will end up on the news just like those three (3) stooges in the Boston top ten bust. Customers also got busted BTW. As you may recall there were ties down here too. BEG! He said, She said, is really NOT important. If you're an agency and reading this, once confirmed, please delete your customer's pii. Don't be those three stooges! If you're a customer, please ask the agency to delete your information. Of course, everything I expressed is pure fiction, opinion, and / or just made up. Your honor.[/QUOTE]If you think agencies actually delete the pii info you're naive. They don't. They might tell you they did but they won't.
They keep it so that they have something in case the client is a dangerous guy.
Or, in this case of this po who shouldn't po anymore, they weaponize it for absolutely nothing.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435915]Apologize for being berated?
Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?
Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.
We should have exact same standards here.
The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.
The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.
I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.[/QUOTE]Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.
[QUOTE=Almel89;7436057]Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.[/QUOTE]I'm still going.
We don't even know if this is true or not, even if it is I'm still going.
I go for the girls not the booker.
That's like saying I'm not going to my favorite bar cause the hostess is a ***** to me.
Like you said we all take a certain risk with this but for some reason people don't think that I'm not sure why.
Truth be told I think over time you all will go back and the people that say I won't sign up will once some popular girls comes (Kimmy, Jamie, Hani retired, Jane).
I have had bad experiences before not on Jay level at asianbittterfly and thought also to myself, "I'm never going back blah blah this and that".
But I ultimately did cause quite honestly I'm going for the girls not booker.
You can say there other agencies too but it ain't like everyone clicks with every girl.
But you do what you think is right.
BTW I also agree with you bookers should never threaten pi information under any circumstances just unprofessional.
Apologize for the miscommunication.
Part ways stating you don't like the mistreatment.
Wait a day to cooldown.
Post your interaction on forum.
I'm referring to before the events. To avoid a situation of any threats made in the first place.
Good talk.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435915]Apologize for being berated?
Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?
Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.
We should have exact same standards here.
The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.
The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.
I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7436120]I'm still going.
We don't even know if this is true or not, even if it is I'm still going.
I go for the girls not the booker.
That's like saying I'm not going to my favorite bar cause the hostess is a ***** to me.
Like you said we all take a certain risk with this but for some reason people don't think that I'm not sure why.
Truth be told I think over time you all will go back and the people that say I won't sign up will once some popular girls comes (Kimmy, Jamie, Hani retired, Jane).
I have had bad experiences before not on Jay level at asianbittterfly and thought also to myself, "I'm never going back blah blah this and that".
But I ultimately did cause quite honestly I'm going for the girls not booker.
You can say there other agencies too but it ain't like everyone clicks with every girl.
But you do what you think is right.
BTW I also agree with you bookers should never threaten pi information under any circumstances just unprofessional.[/QUOTE]To general discussion, I say go at your own risk, it might just be a one time thing. But yes every agency keeps your info.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435386]Again, the conflict happened. And the Booker threatened to out his pii info. For many mongers, outing pii info means a ruined life. A ruined career and / or family.
If the Booker resorts to that in a verbal conflict, this is a big problem. How many more times would the boomer resort to that threat?
I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.[/QUOTE]Sharing this experience might help someone come forward and say:
1) they were shut down by the agency the same way when they said they would post a public complaint.
2) they actually did something like this and the agency did out them somehow. To their spouce, their place of employment or the cops.
Just because they said they'd do it, doesn't mean they will. It also doesn't mean they haven't done it already. Not everyone who uses these agencies posts or reads these boards.
[QUOTE=Almel89;7436057]Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.[/QUOTE]Speaking only for myself, I've always had very professional dealings with this booker, dating back two years. Used P411 to verify, so no issue with PII, even if things go south. And the ATM girls IMO are just as good as the other k-orgs. So I'll continue to use them. As someone else noted. As it is for me. It's about the girls, not the booker.