"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4190029]Hello all,

Trying to dip my toes in SB field, have mostly been on t3 r etc.

One SB cannot host so was wondering if I pay extra for place or is it included in the support I give her?

I'm thinking of letting her get the place on her I'd and CC etc. Any issues with that?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]Guessing you haven't been active in the game for a while, as TER is history.

Too bad, it was a great resource.

As to if your SBs have a room in her rate they don't. So add that to her $. It's always safer to have them book & pay for the room then add it to her requested amount. Don't be surprised if she can't. Many of these girls don't have a credit card.

Good hunting!

This one from Fredericksburg is a pic seller. Promises to see you if you buy first.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b696ff54-a789-491d-a917-f3c4f132c304[/URL]

Only had it happen once, and was also after the deed was done and we were still in the room, also hadn't discussed money though she made some vague comment in the M&G about doing this so she could get a new phone, I didn't think she meant in 1 meet. Key difference being I hadn't yet gotten her out the door yet (though I like you probably would've opened the door too wary of her making a scene or trying to wait and photo me leaving or something). So I ended up giving her more than I wanted, though not quite as much as she wanted just to get rid of her. She was super hot but really not that great a lay, at least first time, but would've repeated to see if it improved without the money stunt at the end. I honestly don't know if it was a strategy or inexperience.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4189563]Today I made first trip to FC with new (to me) SB. We had been texting a while and had one M&G for coffee last week. This meet was straight to hotel. She was 114 pounds and 5'6, 22 years old. Very nice looking girl, I would say 9 body and 7 face. As with most of my SB's, no direct discussion of allowance prior to FC, although there was definitely an expectation of sugar. To my mind, if they don't negotiate cash amount before going to FC, they are unlikely to be a true pro and thus more likely to be the kind of SB I like.

Get to FC, very good experience. I would give her a 9 on attitude and maybe a 7. 5 on skills. DFK, DATY, BBJ, covered FS. No rush. I like to raw dog the ones I think are low volume, but wanted to cover up for her because I suspected she might be a bit popular. We talk about meeting up next week but do not set a firm date. I was up for a repeat mostly because I really loved her body, but she gave off sort of a semi-pro vibe so I didn't consider her to have much long term potential. I tuck cash into her purse and off she goes.

She is back at the door about a minute later asking for more cash. (I don't like to talk numbers on here because I don't live in Richmond. I am in a high cost major metropolitan area and everything costs more here. If I include the actual numbers this thread will just devolve into a lot of people telling me I overpaid, how much (little) they pay, etc. That is not where I a want to go with this.) I offer a standard cash donation, which I had given her. I believe it to be on the low end of the local range, but it is at least in the local range, not way below it. She says "we agreed" to 2 x what I gave her. I pointed out, correctly, that we had not had any discussion of amount prior to FC. She says she "never does it" for less than 2 x what I gave her (another sign of someone with more practice at this than I really like). I refused to hand over any more cash and said I guessed we wouldn't be meeting next week, and she took off.

My first thought was she just got me mixed up with some other dude who was offering 2 x. But something very similar happened to me with a different girl a couple of weeks ago. So now I am wondering if this is some sort of an angle that they have cooked to play us with. Maybe they swap tips on their secret SB forum on how to do this. You know, screw first and then try to guilt the guy out of more cash because "we agreed. " If it is a plan like that, it seems pretty stupid to me. I already banged her, and enjoyed her thoroughly. While I would be willing to see her again for my standard donation, I'm not too bothered by it and definitely not willing to pay 2 x. So why would anyone cough up more money after the deed? Curious as to other guys experience with this sort of thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4190163]Guessing you haven't been active in the game for a while, as TER is history.

Too bad, it was a great resource.

As to if your SBs have a room in her rate they don't. So add that to her $. It's always safer to have them book & pay for the room then add it to her requested amount. Don't be surprised if she can't. Many of these girls don't have a credit card.

Good hunting![/QUOTE]Guess you missed the etc. after t3r :D

No, I've been busy with pros. Indies and agencies. Just didn't have the time to invest in SBs since it seemed that it does take a lot of initial work. Pros / Agencies. One quick text and I'm on my way to satisfaction.

But back to the issue on hand - yes that is what I thought. Will add to her 'support' and have her book on her CC, well at least that is what I'm going to push for..

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4190263]This one from Fredericksburg is a pic seller. Promises to see you if you buy first.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b696ff54-a789-491d-a917-f3c4f132c304[/URL][/QUOTE]She has several good reviews on the Fredericksburg board under 'General' topics I think.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4190454]Only had it happen once, and was also after the deed was done and we were still in the room, also hadn't discussed money ....[/QUOTE]I have had this three times now. Each time, there was no discussion of the amount before hand, but there was a general expectation of sugar. I gave them all three the same amount. Despite the objections from these three, I have given the same donation many times to other girls who were just as hot and had no problem with the amount. Here are the three:

1. Most recent experience a couple days ago, she left room and came back and knocked on door, wanting 2 x.

2. A couple weeks ago, different SB, another very hot girl, 21 yo. After the deed, slipped an envelope into her purse. She goes into bathroom and looks into it before leaving room. Comes out and tells me "we agreed to 1. 66 x" and she "never does it" for less. Another girl too professional for my taste (although not all that professional since she didn't negotiate in advance). I told her we had not agreed on anything and refused to give her any more. She didn't actually try to negotiate very hard and seemed not that bothered by the amount. I guess she just thought it was worth a try. I would have banged her once or twice more and I think she would have been up for it at the original donation level, but she moved to another city the next week. Not just blowing me off, I saw it on her profile and she mentioned when I met her she was thinking about moving. These young girls have pretty unstable lives.

3. A few months ago, the best of the the three overall, spectacular body with huge tits, tiny waist and nice ass. I think she was 23 or 24, don't really remember. She was living with a boyfriend who didn't know about her activities on the side. Excellent skills and a real desire to please. Face was nice, but not as spectacular. I am often attracted to butterfaces, since I am much more concerned about their bodies than their faces. This one had a nice face, but not in the same league as her super hot body. When we were done, I did my usual thing, slipped an envelope with cash in her purse. She did not look at it before leaving. Got a text from her a couple hours later bitching about the amount. We texted back and forth a few times and she said she would only repeat for 2 x the donation. I let her go. I think this one was just really uncomfortable talking about money and didn't like to admit to herself what she was doing.

I suppose all of these incidents are a result of me usually not talking money before going to FC. I am still amazed that girls will do it on that basis. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy they do. It gives me, the consumer, all the power. It just seems weird that they would try to negotiate after I have fucked them. Surely they are aware that they are plenty of other girls for us to to choose from for the next time.

This seems like an active SD group, so thought I'd ask here.

Are some of the girls unable to read or respond a paid member's messages?

I sometimes see girls who have logged on, but not yet read a message I sent. I figured they just have a lot of messages to wade through already. But then I got a message asking me to favorite them so they can message me, and it made me wonder if the free version of the SB accounts limit their ability to open messages? Unless they pay or verify with picture I'd maybe?

I'd like to know how all this works from the female account standpoint.

I am not surprised if the amount is not set in advance that the girls are disappointed with what they get. I have been doing this for many years, with the pretty normal progression from massage parlors, to escorts, to CL, to SD sites, and have never seen such unreal expectations. There were always a few that priced themselves out of a reasonable market (but I often had 9. 5's that with a little sweet talking went down to a reasonable level "just because I seemed like a nice guy"). But now I am talking to an average looking girl just because she is close, all my normal sb's are busy and I think she will be a relatively inexpensive fill in. After a lot of back and forth it ends up this "7" is expecting more than I would give a "9. 5", and has a bunch of rules. Just crazy. Don't think articles like the one posted below, where SA says that student sb's make 3000 a month help. Am sure they use that in their marketing to these young ladies to sign up. I also have many girls tell me that their gf's make that much, so they are not going to go any lower. I have several thoughts, either their gf's are much hotter, their gf's are alll exaggerating what they are getting to make themselves feel better, or they are lying about a gf making that much. Anyway, I try to set expectations in advance now. Find it works better to mention that I had an awesome sb relationship in the past and I helped her with---. Rather than just throwing a number out there.

On a side note, I typically spend my time on the Baltimore forum, as most of the girls I see are from that area, there seems to be a much more interesting sharing of ideas and opinions on this forum.

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[QUOTE=DogBert77;4192038]I have had this three times now. Each time, there was no discussion of the amount before hand, but there was a general expectation of sugar. I gave them all three the same amount. Despite the objections from these three, I have given the same donation many times to other girls who were just as hot and had no problem with the amount. Here are the three:

1. Most recent experience a couple days ago, she left room and came back and knocked on door, wanting 2 x.

2. A couple weeks ago, different SB, another very hot girl, 21 yo. After the deed, slipped an envelope into her purse. She goes into bathroom and looks into it before leaving room. Comes out and tells me "we agreed to 1. 66 x" and she "never does it" for less. Another girl too professional for my taste (although not all that professional since she didn't negotiate in advance). I told her we had not agreed on anything and refused to give her any more. She didn't actually try to negotiate very hard and seemed not that bothered by the amount. I guess she just thought it was worth a try. I would have banged her once or twice more and I think she would have been up for it at the original donation level, but she moved to another city the next week. Not just blowing me off, I saw it on her profile and she mentioned when I met her she was thinking about moving. These young girls have pretty unstable lives.

3. A few months ago, the best of the the three overall, spectacular body with huge tits, tiny waist and nice ass. I think she was 23 or 24, don't really remember. She was living with a boyfriend who didn't know about her activities on the side. Excellent skills and a real desire to please. Face was nice, but not as spectacular. I am often attracted to butterfaces, since I am much more concerned about their bodies than their faces. This one had a nice face, but not in the same league as her super hot body. When we were done, I did my usual thing, slipped an envelope with cash in her purse. She did not look at it before leaving. Got a text from her a couple hours later bitching about the amount. We texted back and forth a few times and she said she would only repeat for 2 x the donation. I let her go. I think this one was just really uncomfortable talking about money and didn't like to admit to herself what she was doing.

I suppose all of these incidents are a result of me usually not talking money before going to FC. I am still amazed that girls will do it on that basis. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy they do. It gives me, the consumer, all the power. It just seems weird that they would try to negotiate after I have fucked them. Surely they are aware that they are plenty of other girls for us to to choose from for the next time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4189394]Yep, she's good to go! Definitely a keeper.[/QUOTE]PM for you.

The trend for me recently. Just two examples below. Anybody falling for it?? Or having success?? LOL.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8affa2ff-e970-46c1-bebf-7d4a5aceb028[/URL]

" I'm in miami right now for spring break and I ran out of money! ".

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4696c9e0-60c8-4ac6-abd3-79187824a37e[/URL]

"I went to Florida and have missed my flight home. I don't have enough money to pay for another ticket home so I'm stuck here until I can figure something out. ".

New York Post put up SA's top 20. No Virginia school this year.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/the-colleges-with-the-most-sugar-babies-in-america/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4193651]The trend for me recently. Just two examples below. Anybody falling for it?? Or having success?? LOL.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8affa2ff-e970-46c1-bebf-7d4a5aceb028[/URL]

" I'm in miami right now for spring break and I ran out of money! ".

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4696c9e0-60c8-4ac6-abd3-79187824a37e[/URL]

"I went to Florida and have missed my flight home. I don't have enough money to pay for another ticket home so I'm stuck here until I can figure something out. ".[/QUOTE]The top one from Blacksburg is in Miami with other VT SB babes. Platonic despite what profile might hint at.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4190454] She was super hot but really not that great a lay, at least first time, but would've repeated to see if it improved without the money stunt at the end. I honestly don't know if it was a strategy or inexperience.[/QUOTE]In my experience a girl does what she does independent of the money. A girl's sexual performance quotient seems to be stamped in her DNA. She is either terrific or not, but throwing extra money at her doesn't tend to improve her performance. In fact, more often than not it makes her feel entitled (as if post-millenials need to feel more entitled!), lazier and less fun.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4193761]New York Post put up SA's top 20. No Virginia school this year.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/the-colleges-with-the-most-sugar-babies-in-america/[/URL][/QUOTE]If you read the article SA just gave them stats on the top 20 schools with the most coed SBs registered. This is easy for them to provide because any SB that registers with an at. Edu email gets premium perks.

I don't have any firsthand experience because I only pursue out of town SB's, but reading this thread I propose VCU is top 20 in SB that go to FC!

Keep in mind it's one of the largest college in Virginia (over 24,000 students, & plenty of coeds (61%.

IMHO my ex LTSB went to the school with the hottest coeds on the left coast, The University of Carolina Wilmington. I went on campus one day to put a present in her car when she was in class. I didn't see anything but gorgeous coeds! OMG, she was sooo
stunning!

I told her later, "what do you guys do, round up all the ugly girls & bus them to Smith & Radcliffe? (Exclusive Woman's colleges in Mass for carpet munchers!)

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4195406]If you read the article SA just gave them stats on the top 20 schools with the most coed SBs registered. This is easy for them to provide because any SB that registers with an at. Edu email gets premium perks.

I don't have any firsthand experience because I only pursue out of town SB's, but reading this thread I propose VCU is top 20 in SB that go to FC!

Keep in mind it's one of the largest college in Virginia (over 24,000 students, & plenty of coeds (61%.

IMHO my ex LTSB went to the school with the hottest coeds on the left coast, The University of Carolina Wilmington. I went on campus one day to put a present in her car when she was in class. I didn't see anything but gorgeous coeds! OMG, she was sooo
stunning!

I told her later, "what do you guys do, round up all the ugly girls & bus them to Smith & Radcliffe? (Exclusive Woman's colleges in Mass for carpet munchers!)[/QUOTE]%100 spot on my man! Div 2/3 schools are where it's at. Just as hot of girls but even more fun ready because most come from some bfe town and middle of nowhere (grade 13 basically) and those colleges are mostly girls with little competition from guys in area. JMU / VCU prime examples. Those girls are also more inclined to b reasonable w numbers as they haven't experienced gps yet from some sucka that just throws the bank at them not thinking w right head. I get WVU being on there probably a lot Pittsburgh area daddy's come down there and oil industry guys and Morgantown looking for full set teeth.

Hello,

Looked at some posts here that mentioned that one can pay SA membership using Visa / MC / Amex gift cards.

SA also has in their faq:

Can I use a prepaid credit, debit, or gift card to pay for a premium membership?
Yes, please be sure that:
Your prepaid card is fully activated by following the instructions enclosed with the card (if applicable).
You use the same zip code as you registered with your card during the checkout process.
You use a valid name and do not use a name such as "Gift Card".
You use a valid address.
You use a valid phone number.

If you still cannot process your prepaid card, please contact us by using the "report an issue" button at the bottom of this page, with the full card info and zip code and we'll be glad to run the card through our alternate provider.


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However, the payment page has the following:

For your protection, your credit card statement will read "PF*[URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL], [URL]2BUYSAFE.COM[/URL]/ W8 TECH, SA*W8 TECH, [URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL]*SA or [URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL] SA".
Note: Credit card or prepaid card used must permit international transactions.
Purchase may be made via our sales agent 2 BuySafe, 2 BuySecure.


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GC bought in the store typically do NOT allow international transactions.

How have people been paying for membership?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4195673]Hello,

Looked at some posts here that mentioned that one can pay SA membership using Visa / MC / Amex gift cards.

SA also has in their faq:

Can I use a prepaid credit, debit, or gift card to pay for a premium membership?
Yes, please be sure that:
Your prepaid card is fully activated by following the instructions enclosed with the card (if applicable).
You use the same zip code as you registered with your card during the checkout process.
You use a valid name and do not use a name such as "Gift Card".
You use a valid address.
You use a valid phone number.

If you still cannot process your prepaid card, please contact us by using the "report an issue" button at the bottom of this page, with the full card info and zip code and we'll be glad to run the card through our alternate provider.


==========================================
However, the payment page has the following:

For your protection, your credit card statement will read "PF*[URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL], [URL]2BUYSAFE.COM[/URL]/ W8 TECH, SA*W8 TECH, [URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL]*SA or [URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL] SA".
Note: Credit card or prepaid card used must permit international transactions.
Purchase may be made via our sales agent 2 BuySafe, 2 BuySecure.


=============================================
GC bought in the store typically do NOT allow international transactions.

How have people been paying for membership?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Others here swear that a Plain Vanilla Visa gift card will work It didn't for me so I used Bitcoin and it worked just fine everything anonymous.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4195673]

==========================================
However, the payment page has the following:

For your protection, your credit card statement will read "PF*[URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL], [URL]2BUYSAFE.COM[/URL]/ W8 TECH, SA*W8 TECH, [URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL]*SA or [URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL] SA".
Note: Credit card or prepaid card used must permit international transactions.
Purchase may be made via our sales agent 2 BuySafe, 2 BuySecure.


=============================================
GC bought in the store typically do NOT allow international transactions.

How have people been paying for membership?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I use OneVanilla gift cards, sometime Visa sometime MasterCard, bought at either CVS or Walmart. I just go on OneVanilla's website and register a zip code. Never had a problem.

I use a OneVanilla Visa card bought at CVS to pay for my WYP membership without a problem. However, when I try to use one for SA or Secret Benefits it gets rejected (even after registering the zip code). I called OneVanilla last week when this happened and they said it was rejected because it was an international charge. Would love to figure out how to pay for SA without using a personal cc.

I have had some luck on WYP, including an incredible current sb, but overall when you compare the two I feel like I am still scouting in the minors. I talked to a young lady, who seemed like a veteran at 19, LOL, and she told me the interface and responses were much better on SA than WYP, so she rarely even checks her WYP account.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4196439]I use OneVanilla gift cards, sometime Visa sometime MasterCard, bought at either CVS or Walmart. I just go on OneVanilla's website and register a zip code. Never had a problem.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Missingcr1;4196572]

I have had some luck on WYP, including an incredible current sb, but overall when you compare the two I feel like I am still scouting in the minors. I talked to a young lady, who seemed like a veteran at 19, LOL, and she told me the interface and responses were much better on SA than WYP, so she rarely even checks her WYP account.[/QUOTE]WYP sucks most of the time. I finally said the hell with it. Just because a girl accepts your offer, you still need game to get her to actually go out with you. A lot never even respond past first message. Wasted money there for maybe 3 FC visits in the four years of using it. Two of the three showed up on SA soon after I had seen them thru WYP.

[QUOTE=Missingcr1;4196572]I use a OneVanilla Visa card bought at CVS to pay for my WYP membership without a problem. However, when I try to use one for SA or Secret Benefits it gets rejected (even after registering the zip code). I called OneVanilla last week when this happened and they said it was rejected because it was an international charge. Would love to figure out how to pay for SA without using a personal cc.[/QUOTE]Hmm, I used a OneVanilla card (pre-paid, Visa, non-reloadable) for SA two weeks ago, and it wasn't a problem. I hope that something hadn't changed since then.

I've never been able to use a OneVanilla card for Secret Benefits, either -- I got the same reason (international charge).

[QUOTE=YeongIl;4197101]Hmm, I used a OneVanilla card (pre-paid, Visa, non-reloadable) for SA two weeks ago, and it wasn't a problem. I hope that something hadn't changed since then.

I've never been able to use a OneVanilla card for Secret Benefits, either -- I got the same reason (international charge).[/QUOTE]So, perhaps should look at one that says. OneVanilla. I see OneVanilla, MyVanilla, VanillaPrepaid. Are they the same darn company?

Could perhaps one type of card of theirs work and not others and hence different experience of different folks?

Too darn confusing for a simple thing as making payment. :D :D

I have not tried the card for SA since early last year when it was rejected multiple times. Struck out using it for Secret Benefits last week and assumed it would still be the case with SA. Will get a new OneVanilla card and try it this week.

Your right Lucky, WYP can be frustrating. WYP does not have the selection, but at least you don't have the clock running like you do with a one month membership at SA. I typically get 450 credits for $150. The trick is to try to offer like $49 for the first date, as that is only 10 credits. If you could do that you would get to talk to 45 girls. If you have to work up from there go to $99, as that is only 15 credits. Once you start talking with the young lady then you can agree to what type of date you both want and how much you are really going to help, which for me always starts at $$ and might move up for someone really special. Some of the girls just don't get it and will only agree to a date offer of like $$ to $$$ which significantly increases the number of credits you are spending. Anyone can feel free to pm if you have any questions.

I have met up for fun with well over a dozen women from WYP, including many that started off platonic only, just takes a lot of patience and luck, and keeping as many hooks in the water as you can. If you don't have the time it could get quickly frustrating.

Forgot to mention, WYP has actually been pretty good about refunding credits, doing it at least 10 times over the last two years. If I start messaging a girl and she states that she wants the money sent in advance or is a pic/video girl only and doesn't meet, I will report her to WYP (just a matter of flagging her on her profile and in your comments to WYP state that you made her a legitimate offer and she had no intention of actually meeting, and you would like your credits back). As long as the whole conversation is on WYP the majority of the time they will refund your credits. More of a pain if you have switched over to texting. They refunded credits twice to me in last two weeks, which will now allow me to talk to two more girls...

[QUOTE=YeongIl;4197101]Hmm, I used a OneVanilla card (pre-paid, Visa, non-reloadable) for SA two weeks ago, and it wasn't a problem. I hope that something hadn't changed since then.

I've never been able to use a OneVanilla card for Secret Benefits, either -- I got the same reason (international charge).[/QUOTE]

Alright, let's talk about sob stories. Do any of you dumb fucks believe any the sob stories you're served? Surely some must otherwise why would they keep trying?

So I met a girl for a drink a few weeks ago and touched base yesterday just to chat. Lo and behold she launches in this long winded fake story about a string of supposed bad luck in her life and family blah blah blah my dad is in jail blah blah blah and her car broke down blah blah. The story seemed made up and without digging in I could tell it had plenty of holes. A few things didn't add up and I got the feeling she was fishing for a whale of a white-knight (you know, a moron with money). She claims all this happened over a few months. I met her a couple of weeks ago and none of this was mentioned. Wished her luck and moved on.

Now do any of you guys fall for this shit? The broken cars, the thefts, the hospital bills, etc.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4199410]Alright, let's talk about sob stories. Do any of you dumb fucks believe any the sob stories you're served? Surely some must otherwise why would they keep trying?
.......Now do any of you guys fall for this shit? The broken cars, the thefts, the hospital bills, etc.[/QUOTE]I would say yes and no.

Yes, I actually do believe that a lot of these girls have pretty crazy lives, are irresponsible, and have a lot of bad shit happen to them. No, I don't let my belief or disbelief affect the amount or timing of what I give them. I give them a modest donation AFTER I have had sex with them. I don't mind whether they use the whole amount to get their nails done at the most expensive salon in town, or to bail their deadbeat dad out of jail, or whatever. If they need more, we need to schedule another visit, assuming their performance warrants it. I don't pay more per visit, and I don't pay in advance. If my donation can help them with their run of bad luck, great, everybody is happy. If their misfortunes are so monumental that incremental donations are of no use? Next!

My take on the whole thing is that at the end of the day, of course it's a financial transaction. If you met the same girl behind the counter of your local coffee shop, are you going to give her $400 for a $4 latte because her car got towed that morning? I do everything I can not to rub their noses in the financial realities, in the hope and expectation that they will provide an experience that doesn't feel transactional, but none of that changes how much or when they get paid.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4199410]Alright, let's talk about sob stories. Do any of you dumb fucks believe any the sob stories you're served? Surely some must otherwise why would they keep trying?

So I met a girl for a drink a few weeks ago and touched base yesterday just to chat. Lo and behold she launches in this long winded fake story about a string of supposed bad luck in her life and family blah blah blah my dad is in jail blah blah blah and her car broke down blah blah. The story seemed made up and without digging in I could tell it had plenty of holes. A few things didn't add up and I got the feeling she was fishing for a whale of a white-knight (you know, a moron with money). She claims all this happened over a few months. I met her a couple of weeks ago and none of this was mentioned. Wished her luck and moved on.

Now do any of you guys fall for this shit? The broken cars, the thefts, the hospital bills, etc.[/QUOTE]Last week a M&G texted me the next morning saying her car, which I did not see, got towed overnight. Needed money right away as they were going to add another day of storage to it. I texted her the copy of the code of Virginia showing the max fees and that they cannot charge a storage fee until 24 hours have passed. Never heard back after that. So I guess her problem was solved or she found $190 in her purse after all. Nice girl otherwise but blew her chance for making a repeat friend by trying to pull that crap with me.

My best SB didn't ask for anything. When I asked what she wanted, she said whatever I thought it was worth. Still no help. But she had a tire blowout, first steel belt radial I've ever seen worn all the way through the cords, but it was a wornout blowout. So the first date I put a couple of tires on her car, about $175, and she stayed with me 5 hours. GFE except for the cover. Second date, same experience and no request so I put a benji in her purse. She called later to thank. Third date, same experience, replaced the other 2 tires. That's the way it's been. Pay a doctor bill, catch the electric bill, same covered 4-6 hour experience, GFE except for the cover.

If you get a laundry list of needs, tackle them one at the time. Never pay more than you would pay for a single session, and only after service has been rendered.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4199410]Alright, let's talk about sob stories. Do any of you dumb fucks believe any the sob stories you're served? Surely some must otherwise why would they keep trying?

So I met a girl for a drink a few weeks ago and touched base yesterday just to chat. Lo and behold she launches in this long winded fake story about a string of supposed bad luck in her life and family blah blah blah my dad is in jail blah blah blah and her car broke down blah blah. The story seemed made up and without digging in I could tell it had plenty of holes. A few things didn't add up and I got the feeling she was fishing for a whale of a white-knight (you know, a moron with money). She claims all this happened over a few months. I met her a couple of weeks ago and none of this was mentioned. Wished her luck and moved on.

Now do any of you guys fall for this shit? The broken cars, the thefts, the hospital bills, etc.[/QUOTE]

One of my current SB's, who I met in the platonic only section of CL, and I have been seeing for 4 years (since she was 19) has never given me a sob story. However, a few times when she has really wanted something, like money to go out with her gf's over the weekend, she has offered to meet for less (like 75) on short notice. Think of that as win-win.

Am talking with a hot 25 yo right now, who told me she is into girls and had not been with a guy since she was 18. Her FB account seems to verify that story. We had been talking for several days about when we were meeting, and she told me that she had gotten into an altercation with her ex gf when moving out. Claims she was attacked, but has been charged with assault because it was her ex's apartment. Said she needed 1500 in court fees by end of month. I did a quick check on MD case search and her story checked out. Her gf dropped charges, but le has not. I told her that was fine, that I would only help her with the amount we had already agreed to and we would just have to meet a lot between now and then. Are scheduled to meet tomorrow in public and see what happens. She definitely has the motivation to move forward.

One of the oddest requests for money was from a sb that I met when she was 18, and we met on and off for 3 years. We would meet a few times, she would disappear for months and then I would get a text from her wanting to meet. She had a rocking little petite bod and a pretty face, so I was cool with whatever. She sucked in bed at first, the classic cold fish, but just kept getting better and better. We had seen each other a few times over a 6 month period when she texted me to meet early one week, asking for a small amount. We met on a Wednesday, and she told then that she was getting married Friday and needed money for the justice of the peace and a few related costs. Wonder what her bf would hav thought if he knew how she got the funds. We had an incredible time that day, but never met again. I fought the urge to text her on the small chance I would mess things up in her life.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4199847]My best SB didn't ask for anything. When I asked what she wanted, she said whatever I thought it was worth. Still no help. But she had a tire blowout, first steel belt radial I've ever seen worn all the way through the cords, but it was a wornout blowout. So the first date I put a couple of tires on her car, about $175, and she stayed with me 5 hours. GFE except for the cover. Second date, same experience and no request so I put a benji in her purse. She called later to thank. Third date, same experience, replaced the other 2 tires. That's the way it's been. Pay a doctor bill, catch the electric bill, same covered 4-6 hour experience, GFE except for the cover.

If you get a laundry list of needs, tackle them one at the time. Never pay more than you would pay for a single session, and only after service has been rendered.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Missingcr1;4200534]
One of the oddest requests for money was from a sb that I met when she was 18, and we met on and off for 3 years. We would meet a few times, she would disappear for months and then I would get a text from her wanting to meet. She had a rocking little petite bod and a pretty face, so I was cool with whatever. She sucked in bed at first, the classic cold fish, but just kept getting better and better. We had seen each other a few times over a 6 month period when she texted me to meet early one week, asking for a small amount. We met on a Wednesday, and she told then that she was getting married Friday and needed money for the justice of the peace and a few related costs. Wonder what her bf would hav thought if he knew how she got the funds. We had an incredible time that day, but never met again. I fought the urge to text her on the small chance I would mess things up in her life.[/QUOTE]
Jeez, just text her if you feel like it. If this is how she occupies her time she will manage to mess up things all on her own and it's not because of you or anyone else. Some girls are addicted to making bad choices.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4200568] Some girls are addicted to making bad choices.[/QUOTE]Like banging men 2 x their age for quick cash.

[QUOTE=Missingcr1;4200534]We met on a Wednesday, and she told then that she was getting married Friday and needed money for the justice of the peace and a few related costs. Wonder what her bf would hav thought if he knew how she got the funds. [/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO! Almost blew my coffee out my nose. Funniest thing I have seen on here in a while. Kinda makes you wonder how many cuckolds are out there, maybe closer than you think.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4200568]Some girls are addicted to making bad choices.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4200652]Like banging men 2 x their age for quick cash.[/QUOTE]Whoa, Nelly! Hold on a minute. That's a GOOD choice! For us. (Although personally I like to keep it closer to a 3 x ratio).

I shoot for 3 x 1 too, though it was 2 x 1 when I started enjoying these girls.

These girls do make bad decisions, but since she always treated me right, when I told her I was not going to text her after she got married I was not going to text her. Plus, who has time for old married woman when your juggling college students, LOL.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4200745]Whoa, Nelly! Hold on a minute. That's a GOOD choice! For us. (Although personally I like to keep it closer to a 3 x ratio).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Missingcr1;4201318] Plus, who has time for old married woman when your juggling college students, LOL.[/QUOTE]Got to keep making room for the fresh crop. SA is like the fountain of youth for me. I am fucking girls who are the same age as the girls I was fucking 40 years ago!

What's a good location to stay in RVA area if in town for a few days and want to meet some POTS?

(Hotels downtown seem expensive -- looking for nice rooms and things to do nearby but better value than downtown Richmond).

I follow the same. Almost all the girls you find on SA are financially irresponsible. I do try to advise them, but I have no huge expectation they are going to change. Whether I give an allowance or how much is solely dependent on what she delivers (only after the delivery is done). I have done "monthly allowance", but it is just a guarantee from me that how many meets per month from my end, but not advancing money beforehand for the month. Whatever the sob stories they tell (some may actually be true), I try to help them with advice, but not advancing money.

A good example is a 20 year old I have been seeing for about 4 months now. She has a very stable and nice job at an accounting firm. I know that she works there for sure (I picked her from her work place couple of times and I saw her inside the office). She says she gets paid very well and do lot of overtime. She is single, no kids, no responsibilities, don't see any demons or addictions. But she is always in debt and complains that her bank account is in red all the time. First time I met her she asked for 300 to make back payment for car insurance. I said my allowance was 200. She accepted and apologized for asking allowance beforehand. We had absolutely great time, and I gave 200. The following week she texted me wanting to meet but she was on her period. She offered just hanging out, but wanted 200 to pay back a loan she got from mom. I told her that I don't prefer to do dates when a girl is on period and proposed meeting week after. She asked whether I could cashapp money, I said no. After a week I contacted her and she was happy to see me, again we had great time. 200 at the end of the date. I have had about 4 more dates with her last 4 months. Very difficult to schedule, gives some type of excuse and bail out at the last minute. But, boy when I catch her, it is always a blast. Very submissive, cute girl. Almost all options on table, multiple rounds, multiple hours. Very nice personality, gets along with me very well. She once in a while comes up with sob stories, but I never advance money or more than my typical allowance of 200. We go to dinners etc. But no extra money. By now she clearly understands how I operate. I have couple of other regulars, so I always have other options if she is not available.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4199440]I would say yes and no.

Yes, I actually do believe that a lot of these girls have pretty crazy lives, are irresponsible, and have a lot of bad shit happen to them. No, I don't let my belief or disbelief affect the amount or timing of what I give them. I give them a modest donation AFTER I have had sex with them. I don't mind whether they use the whole amount to get their nails done at the most expensive salon in town, or to bail their deadbeat dad out of jail, or whatever. If they need more, we need to schedule another visit, assuming their performance warrants it. I don't pay more per visit, and I don't pay in advance. If my donation can help them with their run of bad luck, great, everybody is happy. If their misfortunes are so monumental that incremental donations are of no use? Next!

My take on the whole thing is that at the end of the day, of course it's a financial transaction. If you met the same girl behind the counter of your local coffee shop, are you going to give her $400 for a $4 latte because her car got towed that morning? I do everything I can not to rub their noses in the financial realities, in the hope and expectation that they will provide an experience that doesn't feel transactional, but none of that changes how much or when they get paid.[/QUOTE]

For first two meets it was 300 per meet. Then we agreed for 250 per meet for 4 meets per month guaranteed. I dated her for about 3 months. Absolutely great time until the tragedy struck. She was an exchange student from Europe, her family had a tragic situation back home, she decided to move back home earlier than expected. I know it was true, I drove her to the airport when she left the country. I don't get emotionally attached to these girls, but I must confess I was heartbroken for sometime. She took out the SA profile before she left. She contacted me via e-mail a couple of times after that. But no chance that she is coming back. I may see her in my next trip to Europe though.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=BuffBill75;4186112]Damage for that experience?[/QUOTE]

Good news, and unexpected twist.

Week 6: She agreed to go to a movie again on a Monday. Again, no one else in the theater for that show (lucky me). This time, one more step ahead. She gave me a blow job (showed inexperience, but a good experience nevertheless). She allowed me touching her under the panties while we was working on my jr. Didn't swallow, spit it out. All good and happy. I upped the allowance to 150.

Week 7: Here is the twist. Two days after the movie date, she texted me asking if I could help her renting an apartment. Either I have to get it on my name or co-sign the lease. She has no credit rating and has no one to co-sign. She told me earlier when we first met that she doesn't like the situation at home and trying to find her own place. According to her, her dad is an asshole. He does contracting, building, construction type of work. He expects her and her brothers to do all the work related to his construction (carpentry etc) at home and pays nothing. And she doesn't have time to do a job. Also her dad seems to be bitching about that she is 19 and not paying rent to him. Her mom is not in a capacity to help her out either. She told me at least twice before that she was looking for places to move out, but never asked my help. In fact she has never asked any help or told me any sob stories. It is possible she planned this all along and waiting for the right time to tell me. I asked her other options like moving in with a friend etc. She is not keen to have a roommate. She has found this apartment very close to her nursing school and reasonable rent etc, The rent per month is well below 1000 which is fine with me given the allowance I would give someone for about 4 meet per month. But, I am not comfortable with getting into such situation where I am connected to her with a paper trail and this is too early to reveal my identity. I have not committed to her yet although I didn't say no either. We haven't met after that. I see the frequency of texts from her is going down. I think I am at a crossroads here and tell her what I choose. I will most likely let this go. Yes, I like her and she could be a great SB if I help her out here. But, still out of my comfort zone.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4175732]Few of you asked an update on my platonic girl experiment. Here is the update.

Background: 19 yes old cute girl who says platonic only and said "no sex" during chatting and at the first meet up (but open for some 'fooling around). I am trying this as an experiment to see if I can convert her to go to FC. Difficult task I know. But, I have 3 regular SB's in rotation, this is just a side project.

Week 1: First meet for a coffee. Good connection. Made plans for a date in a week.

Week 2: Made plans to go see a movie. Texts me about 2 hrs prior to the agreed time that she couldn't make it as she had to babysit her sister's kids. But, promised a date next week.

Week 3: Made plans for a movie. She showed up. I got last raw seats. But the place was crowded. In to about 10 min to movie, we started some fun. She allowed touching almost anywhere over the cloths. I actually felt she was wet. I didn't try going under the cloths. There were people on either side of our seats. We did lots of deep kissing. That's the extent I could go that day. Gift was 100.

Week 4: I proposed a dinner at her favorite restaurant. She showed up. Had nice dinner. After, the dinner I asked if we could spend about 10 to 20 min "alone time" in my car at a quiet place. She said she was in a hurry to get back home. I didn't push. Gift was 0 (I was testing her and sending a message), but of course paid for the dinner.

Week 5: Typically she texts right after she gets home. After the dinner, she didn't text me for about 2 days. May be she was not happy about the lack of allowance after the dinner. But, she texted to propose a movie again. Set for the Saturday. The morning on the date, she texts and postpones the date for Monday night. I was OK. She showed up Monday night. Two of us were the only people in the theater for that show. Things happened quicker than first time. Lots of deep kissing and cuddling. However, she didn't let me reach that area claiming she was on period (may be true, she let me touch last time). I was reaching to her boobs over the shirt, she pulled the shirt and bra up, let me touch and suck. I was trying to get her to touch my Jr. She was not that enthusiastic. After a while I jokingly told her a about the possibility of blue balls, and if she could help me out. She agreed to a hand job, but didn't want "stuff" on her hand as there was not place to wash. I pulled a condom from my pocket and she gave me hand job to completion. Asked about a blow job, she said not sure, may be next time. It was better than expected. The gift was 100.

We have been chatting after that and making plans for next meet. She has very desirable qualities I like from a SB. Very clean, and always smells great. No drama, no sob stories yet. Doesn't give the vibe of desperation or needy. Never complained about allowance or asked about it. But, I know she is in for the allowance as any other SB is. Now she knows that what I am after and she seems to be going along. I still am skeptical if I could hit the home run with her. May be not at least in the near future. But, want to keep it going.

You veterans, any suggestions what my next move should be? Am I going too fast or slow?

Stay safe guys, and I will update.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4203683]She is not keen to have a roommate.[/QUOTE]Answer is no. Not in your comfort zone and if she really wanted out, a roommate would be fine. That's your warning sign.

Was having a fantastic conversation by text with this one, and then she ghosted. Anyone have any luck with her?

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