Op Sec, Hotels and Gift Cards
Hotels are definitely one of the biggest risks to operational security. I have gotten into the habit of reserving them in my real name, either through [URL]Dayuse.com[/URL] or [URL]Hotels.com[/URL]. When I check in, I show my driver's license and give them a Platinum American Express card. I tell them I will pay with cash, either on check or check out. Some of them place a hold on the credit card for the whole price of the room plus $50 for incidentals, others only do the $50 for incidentals. All of them accept cash for the room without issues, although sometimes they have to hunt around for change since no one uses cash anymore. The hold is always removed, sometimes immediately, sometimes it takes up to five days. Until it is removed, it shows as a "pending charge" on my account, then it disappears completely. While it is showing pending, it creates a security risk, but only I have online access to the account so this has not been a problem (yet).
Recently I stayed at a Hilton affiliate using the above procedure, at a hotel I had used before and it worked fine the previous time. This time, a few days after my stay, instead of clearing the pending charge on my account, they charged it. I think whoever did that immediately realized they screwed up, and tried again, which resulted in them charging it again. Then they gave me a credit in the same amount, again doing it twice. The net result is no charge, but a paper trail on the statement that is a flashing neon sign for the warden. I intercepted the paper statement before my wife saw it, and have changed my settings to paperless. But my wife has been in the habit of paying all our bills, as she is more reliable at doing this on time than I am. So this will be a change in process that may itself be a red flag.
The same sort of red flag can result if there is any charge that you don't clear at check out, like a move, music or wifi in the room. So using a credit card definitely carries risk.
I like the idea of paying with gift cards, and especially Ernest Li's suggestion for [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] gift cards at 5% off. But I have a couple of issues I would like you guys' input on. (1) Gift cards seem inherently less secure than a credit card. Anyone who gets your number can basically drain it, and I am not sure how cooperative the issuer is going to be in giving you a chargeback. I have this problem on a OneVanilla card right now. I put $500 on it to use for SA, my burner phone, etc. I figured by putting $500 (the max) on it instead of $100 at a time, the fee percentage would be minimized. Well, someone somehow hacked it and charged a bogus $150 on it. I have started the refund request from OneVanilla, but they said it may take 60-90 days to process and I don't have a lot of confidence in it. (2) Some hotels have signs saying that if you use a debit card for the deposit, it may take much longer for the refund to be processed as compared to a credit card, again up to 60-90 days. I am curious as to other guys experience with this. (3) This is kind of hard to pin down, but I feel that when you are paying with cash the front desk immediately views you as sort of sketchy, and using a gift card for the deposit is only going to make that worse. When I use a solid credit card, I feel that it sort of smooths the whole transaction. Again, this is just feeling, and I can't really point to anything concrete.
Really interested in hearing others' experience with gift cards at hotels, and especially with using them for the deposit when paying with cash.
Op Sec, Hotels and Gift Cards
One other thing with respect to hotels to be aware of and consider. I have gotten Christmas cards and thank you notes from hotels in the Hilton family at the address on file after a stay. Luckily the cards and notes were for business related travel but it did cause me to change the address on file to my office.
The importance of game-and keeping fit
I know this comes around every few months, and partially my fault. As background, after having my LTSB of 5 years leave me on a whim last summer, my depression had me losing weight like crazy, and I upped my workout routine accordingly. 20 lbs later and with a definitively better-than-dad-bod physique, I am seeing at least some intangibles.
Data point one: fairly early in my current SB's relationship I asked how old I looked. I'm low-50's but she pegged me for mid-forties. When I asked about my personality, she pegged mid-30's. Which to me it meant wisdom and experience without be dragged down by age.
Data point two: recently was invited to my SB's burlesque show where she would have friends, her GF, and even her dad there. Obviously interacting with dear-old-only-two-years-older-than-me dad was not an option. And dear-old-dad has only two years on me but looks ten years older. But I saw the interaction where my SB pointed me out of the crowd to her GF. Later I would find out that the verdict was that "he's cute!
A bit off-topic, but I just got back from a FetLife Kink / Swinger event. Lots of older, unattractive folk there, but at least the equipment works. Also have to have a new kind of game where the play is the networking and building relationships with the leaders of each tribe. Decided to pursue (with some promise) one of the more attractive ones, which sadly isn't saying much. But she wanted to know how old I was, and I told her (she's an even 50) and the response was "Wow! You're older than me! So I asked her to peg my age, and she guessed low 40's.
This is the benefit of hitting the gym, losing the 20 lbs. , paying attention to your clothing and hairstyle. All these things can literally subtract ten years off your looks. And in the bowl, while you have lots of POTS attracted to older guys, no need to push the envelope on that. You want the older gentlemen to be the demeanor in which you treat her, while projecting as youthful and virile vibe as possible.
Can you give a few examples?
[QUOTE=BaldEagle;4170237]I use a couple different hotels in the area. With a little salesmanship and conversation with a hotel owner, Not a big chain but a clean locally owned hotel you can create an arrangement where you call with little notice and get a nice clean room for a discount cash price. I call, go by and give the cash and pick up a key no paperwork. I only use the room for a few hours. I leave the key in the room and I move on. Indian or oriental seems to work the best and I am not talking about inner city dumps. Clean non smoking rooms.[/QUOTE]Not from the area but drive through often, and would like to find such an arrangement. But how does one search for such a place without going door-to-door? If you have found some good places, please share! Thanks in Advance!
Re-negotiate allowance after FC visit
Hey guys,
This is the question has beening lingering around my head recenrtly. Is that possible to re negotiate the allowance amount after FC visit?
For example, say you agreed with 300 per date for first date, but after the session found her performance less than expected and not want to cont to offer 300 per date, can you re-negotiate a lower allowance with SB? How do you approach this that it doesn't hurt the feelings and chemistry BTW you and the SB.
Wheels? Conversion Perversion!
[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4174640]Alright, let's talk logistics. I currently have a large SUV (think Tahoe / Suburban) that has been a real benefit for me. In essence it's been a FC on wheels and my car has seen more T&A than should be legally allowed. There's nothing easier than moving into the backseat after a 30 min coffee date to evaluate some nubile debutante. Now I'm thinking of trading that in for a car from a respectable german maker but a car, not suv. How do you guys with cars do it? Am I shooting myself in the foot by losing this convenient debauchery-mobile?[/QUOTE]If you want a real shaggin wagon get a conversion van. Plenty of room for any sexual activity you wish as you watch porn on the overhead screen and suck down a beer from the fridge, Need a bed? Just push down the back seats in most models and you have a full sized one.
I had a conversion van for many years. Nailed many pretty young SBs in it. Absolutely ideal for SW trolling too and stripper banging if you are so inclined. Convenient as hell and you can save a lot on hotel bills.
Re-Negotiation Can be Done
Typically it will not go well, but I have a couple of occasions I was able to do it. With the right girl under right circumstances. It is "Negotiation 101". Start with a position of strength, and don't make the other party feel loosing (instead make them feel gaining something). Here are the two:
1. She is a 19 yr old mother of one who wanted to fuck behind her husband's back to earn some spending money. First date was at her house. Couple of rounds, spent about 1. 5 hrs. Gave my usual gift of 200. She was little bigger than expected, decent experience, but I had better options at that time for 200. She could only see me during the day, and had to get back home by 5:30 before her hubby comes home. I couldn't take time off from my work regularly during day time. But, there was 30 min gap where she could come to my house, spend 30 min, go pick her son up from day care and be home by 5:30. I proposed 100 for 30 min, and told her I could see her more often under that scenario and at the end she gets more per week. She agreed. It ended up us seeing each other only once a week, she never questioned the allowance of 100 again. Most of the time we spent about an hour, and the experience was no different than first one (actually it got better over time) . It went on for about 4 months until she moved out of state.
2. A 20 yr old single girl with busy schedule, but wanted to earn some extra money. First date at a hotel, second at my house. Couple of hours, couple of rounds. 200. She doesn't have a car so I have to drive 45 min to pick her up, come to my house, spend 2 hrs, drive 45 min to drop her back. I noted that she was struggling to find more than 3 hrs per date. I proposed 30 to 40 min car date near her house for 100. It would save her time. She agreed. I still see her on and off. Car date 100 (FS), and if I feel like it, have a longer date at home for 200. Either case, she has always been very enthusiastic.
Lets be real. These girls are dong this for money, not because they want to fuck old guys. If the deal feels right, they will accept it. As long as you approach it logically and don't make them feel insulted, it is possible. Never tell them whatever you give her is not worth. But, make sure they understand who is in control, it is you. I would never tell them I am not able to afford it because I lost the job or whatever. Don't show a weakness to these girls. Almost none of these girls are sympathetic towards daddies. The minute you are out of money, they will disappear. Treat them well, make connection, but keep in mind they will walk away from you the second they find a better deal.
Stay Safe.
Dr. S.
[QUOTE=Statecho;4170567]Hey guys,
This is the question has beening lingering around my head recenrtly. Is that possible to re negotiate the allowance amount after FC visit?
For example, say you agreed with 300 per date for first date, but after the session found her performance less than expected and not want to cont to offer 300 per date, can you re-negotiate a lower allowance with SB? How do you approach this that it doesn't hurt the feelings and chemistry BTW you and the SB.[/QUOTE]
Update on Platonic Girl Experiment
Few of you asked an update on my platonic girl experiment. Here is the update.
Background: 19 yes old cute girl who says platonic only and said "no sex" during chatting and at the first meet up (but open for some 'fooling around). I am trying this as an experiment to see if I can convert her to go to FC. Difficult task I know. But, I have 3 regular SB's in rotation, this is just a side project.
Week 1: First meet for a coffee. Good connection. Made plans for a date in a week.
Week 2: Made plans to go see a movie. Texts me about 2 hrs prior to the agreed time that she couldn't make it as she had to babysit her sister's kids. But, promised a date next week.
Week 3: Made plans for a movie. She showed up. I got last raw seats. But the place was crowded. In to about 10 min to movie, we started some fun. She allowed touching almost anywhere over the cloths. I actually felt she was wet. I didn't try going under the cloths. There were people on either side of our seats. We did lots of deep kissing. That's the extent I could go that day. Gift was 100.
Week 4: I proposed a dinner at her favorite restaurant. She showed up. Had nice dinner. After, the dinner I asked if we could spend about 10 to 20 min "alone time" in my car at a quiet place. She said she was in a hurry to get back home. I didn't push. Gift was 0 (I was testing her and sending a message), but of course paid for the dinner.
Week 5: Typically she texts right after she gets home. After the dinner, she didn't text me for about 2 days. May be she was not happy about the lack of allowance after the dinner. But, she texted to propose a movie again. Set for the Saturday. The morning on the date, she texts and postpones the date for Monday night. I was OK. She showed up Monday night. Two of us were the only people in the theater for that show. Things happened quicker than first time. Lots of deep kissing and cuddling. However, she didn't let me reach that area claiming she was on period (may be true, she let me touch last time). I was reaching to her boobs over the shirt, she pulled the shirt and bra up, let me touch and suck. I was trying to get her to touch my Jr. She was not that enthusiastic. After a while I jokingly told her a about the possibility of blue balls, and if she could help me out. She agreed to a hand job, but didn't want "stuff" on her hand as there was not place to wash. I pulled a condom from my pocket and she gave me hand job to completion. Asked about a blow job, she said not sure, may be next time. It was better than expected. The gift was 100.
We have been chatting after that and making plans for next meet. She has very desirable qualities I like from a SB. Very clean, and always smells great. No drama, no sob stories yet. Doesn't give the vibe of desperation or needy. Never complained about allowance or asked about it. But, I know she is in for the allowance as any other SB is. Now she knows that what I am after and she seems to be going along. I still am skeptical if I could hit the home run with her. May be not at least in the near future. But, want to keep it going.
You veterans, any suggestions what my next move should be? Am I going too fast or slow?
Stay safe guys, and I will update.
Dr. S.
[QUOTE=DrSummer;4138235]We have been chatting all week long last week and had the movie date set for Sunday. She has been very enthusiastic. About 2 hours prior to meeting time, I got a text saying she had to reschedule. She had to babysit her sisters kids as her sister had to attend something unexpectedly. She did tell me when we met first that she sometimes babysit her sisters kids, so this may be true. Hard to say. But she promises me a movie date coming Saturday. I haven't still given up although my enthusiasm is somewhat down.
I logged on to her profile today and noted that last time she logged was 5 days ago. Prior to that I noticed she was on there almost every day. I did ask her to show me her drivers licence before going on the date (her profile says 19). She agreed to that. Not sure if it threw her off. Anyway, lets see how it goes this Saturday. I will update.
Stay Safe.
Dr. S.[/QUOTE]
