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Any luck with this one I'm Buckhead? Hesitant to pull the trigger.
[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;7377948]What are y'all using for reverse image search that's effective? Facecheck dot id was awesome when it was free. I don't think it even works very well now, possible due to legal issues.[/QUOTE]I use Google images for reverse image search. That's not what facecheck.id is though. It is facial recognition search, not reverse image.
I wonder if AI can help to mask some of our pics from the facial recognition. I used lmarena. Ai to change some of my clothing and it sometimes will slightly modify your face as well. I know that Fawkes app can work too.
But I took a casual pic of myself and had it put a suit on me and looks absolutely real, so going to use that with SBs now. And it's free on lmarena although you have to "re-roll" a few times periodically to get the best model to give you the output that works.
I know I've seen some reports about SB gals on here. Looked around the site, saw some interesting ladies and thought I'd give it a try. Purchased the generic VISA from Publix (it always worked for me on SA), and submitted my purchase. Declined. Payment is processed off shore in Dublin, but then SA is off shore also. Told by the processor that my "bank" refused the charge. Several back and forth texts with both Secret Benefits and their processor. Finally said try a new card. I was hesitant but gave it a try. This time a vanilla VISA from Walmart. Same result.
Any advice on next steps. Or is it even worth trying to get on SB, before I go back to SA.
TG.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7378762]I use Google images for reverse image search. That's not what facecheck.id is though. It is facial recognition search, not reverse image.
I wonder if AI can help to mask some of our pics from the facial recognition. I used lmarena. Ai to change some of my clothing and it sometimes will slightly modify your face as well. I know that Fawkes app can work too.
But I took a casual pic of myself and had it put a suit on me and looks absolutely real, so going to use that with SBs now. And it's free on lmarena although you have to "re-roll" a few times periodically to get the best model to give you the output that works.[/QUOTE]I can tell you from experience that Fawkes does not work anymore. It did originally but the AI's are able to get past that now. If you have something to lose by someone finding out I would find a good AI tool to completely change your face. You can have it keep similar characteristics but if it looks like you facial recognition can find you. I have a set of pictures I use but I wish I could find a tool to reliably recreate the same face each time.
[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;7380383]I know I've seen some reports about SB gals on here. Looked around the site, saw some interesting ladies and thought I'd give it a try. Purchased the generic VISA from Publix (it always worked for me on SA), and submitted my purchase. Declined. Payment is processed off shore in Dublin, but then SA is off shore also. Told by the processor that my "bank" refused the charge. Several back and forth texts with both Secret Benefits and their processor. Finally said try a new card. I was hesitant but gave it a try. This time a vanilla VISA from Walmart. Same result.
Any advice on next steps. Or is it even worth trying to get on SB, before I go back to SA.
TG.[/QUOTE]So unfortunately, it's pretty common for SB to set off alerts for the processor. I don't have a warden so I use my CC and I almost always get a notification from my CC app like "This you? You sure? I don't have any advice about getting around it other than heresey. I remember reading a thread where the OP was having trouble with SA's processor and was recommended a "global enabled" prepaid visa / mastercard gift card. I don't see how it's different than a regular visa / mastercard gift card but it's potentially something to look into.
As for whether Secret Benefits is worth it. I think it's worth it as a complement to SA or SDM, but is generally inferior to the two. I'll give you a good reason to have a free account and a good reason to have credits:
A free account is well worth the minimal sign up effort, simply because of the video verification for ladies. Hilariously, the site doesn't tell the ladies that these are on their profile, so you get to see what they look like sans makeup and filters. Since there's a lot of crossover on the sites, it makes for a valuable research tool. If you're considering an SA lady and can find her on SB, you can see what she really looks like if she's got a verification video up.
I know I just pointed out the abundant crossover on the sugar sites, but Secret Benefits must be doing something different with their marketing because I'll see girls on there that aren't on any other site. They also get a lot of girls who are dipping their toe into the sugar bowl. I'd love to get more data on this, but they're doing something right in terms of marketing. I wouldn't maintain a constant supply of credits, but for me it's well worth it to buy a stash of credits every so often and work my way through SB.
As others have pointed out in previous posts, SB has a lot of zombie profiles and bots that send messages. A good rule of thumb is to only message girls that have actually looked at your profile (the bots will just send you a message but it'll usually be something like 'hey' If you want to get a girls attention, favorite her and share your private pics. If she's real, she'll look at your profile. If she's a bot, it'll just share her private pics without looking at your profile.
[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;7380383]I know I've seen some reports about SB gals on here. Looked around the site, saw some interesting ladies and thought I'd give it a try. Purchased the generic VISA from Publix (it always worked for me on SA), and submitted my purchase. Declined. Payment is processed off shore in Dublin, but then SA is off shore also. Told by the processor that my "bank" refused the charge. Several back and forth texts with both Secret Benefits and their processor. Finally said try a new card. I was hesitant but gave it a try. This time a vanilla VISA from Walmart. Same result.
Any advice on next steps. Or is it even worth trying to get on SB, before I go back to SA.
TG.[/QUOTE]I posted a few days ago that prepaid virtual VISA card from [URL]bitrefill.com[/URL] works. You probably have to pay with crypto though. But I just bought subscription about 10 days ago and it worked, as it had the time before.
It is nice and anonymous too. I met this one girl a few days ago and she started to act weird and kicked me out of her place before we even did anything. So I get a message from her today that I need to send her $$$ or she will go to the police and report me for "being on a website asking for sex". What a psycho, but just a reminder not to give these girls any more personal details than necessary.
Anyway probably an empty threat and looking back at the chat with her, she's the one who started talking about $. So many emotionally unstable girls out there.
[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;7380411]I can tell you from experience that Fawkes does not work anymore. It did originally but the AI's are able to get past that now. If you have something to lose by someone finding out I would find a good AI tool to completely change your face. You can have it keep similar characteristics but if it looks like you facial recognition can find you. I have a set of pictures I use but I wish I could find a tool to reliably recreate the same face each time.[/QUOTE]Yeah I figured that may be the case. Well when I was having AI modify my pics, sometimes it did change my face a good bit. Perhaps I should just do that and just find one that doesn't look too transparently AI-fake. It could probably be done, with some patience and re-rolls.
[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;7380383]I know I've seen some reports about SB gals on here. Looked around the site, saw some interesting ladies and thought I'd give it a try. Purchased the generic VISA from Publix (it always worked for me on SA), and submitted my purchase. Declined. Payment is processed off shore in Dublin, but then SA is off shore also. Told by the processor that my "bank" refused the charge. Several back and forth texts with both Secret Benefits and their processor. Finally said try a new card. I was hesitant but gave it a try. This time a vanilla VISA from Walmart. Same result.
Any advice on next steps. Or is it even worth trying to get on SB, before I go back to SA.
TG.[/QUOTE]None of the Visa cards I used to use work anymore on SA and I assume SB is the same. I've had success buying Google play gift cards and paying through the app on Android as well as virtual Amex giftcards purchased from Amex. Another poster has reported success with physical Amex cards as well but I haven't had a chance to try that. One good thing with a credit card vs Google card is that it's easy to spend any leftover amount on a credit card but the google card is useless outside of google.
[QUOTE=TallGuy3000;7380383]I know I've seen some reports about SB gals on here. Looked around the site, saw some interesting ladies and thought I'd give it a try. Purchased the generic VISA from Publix (it always worked for me on SA), and submitted my purchase. Declined. Payment is processed off shore in Dublin, but then SA is off shore also. Told by the processor that my "bank" refused the charge. Several back and forth texts with both Secret Benefits and their processor. Finally said try a new card. I was hesitant but gave it a try. This time a vanilla VISA from Walmart. Same result..[/QUOTE]Apple pay generates a random card number and works for me.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9f8cbf00-b11c-9396-01dc-aa1d344c67ee[/URL]
What are these women smoking? Wants $1500 a meet.
Megan.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/10eb8175-9e68-43ee-b3fb-6a28dafc7b0b[/URL]
This girl seems to be as dumb as a box of rocks. I tried to ask her how much to meet and she's like I don't know if I can I got to pay my car payment and daycare by Friday. And I'm like no shit that's why I'm asking how much per meet and that can help with what you need. Her profile says Atlanta but she lives near Columbus. She said she works in Atlanta every now and then. I simply stopped responding.
[QUOTE=MilfHunter818;7381510][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9f8cbf00-b11c-9396-01dc-aa1d344c67ee[/URL]
What are these women smoking? Wants $1500 a meet.
Megan.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/10eb8175-9e68-43ee-b3fb-6a28dafc7b0b[/URL]
This girl seems to be as dumb as a box of rocks. I tried to ask her how much to meet and she's like I don't know if I can I got to pay my car payment and daycare by Friday. And I'm like no shit that's why I'm asking how much per meet and that can help with what you need. Her profile says Atlanta but she lives near Columbus. She said she works in Atlanta every now and then. I simply stopped responding.[/QUOTE]Smoking something. This one wants you to provide for her, her home, her children and her career with boundaries of no touch, intimacy and monogamy. Insane.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a6019b2b-233c-49af-9431-ac4f6d593502[/URL]
Many people misunderstand what Fawkes does. It prevents AIs from forming a facial rec from the photos it can find out on the web. So, all of those of you IRL must be processed through it before getting posted. Even those that are under the control of other people. Definitely tough.
If you run a IRL photo through Fawkes and then see if one of the facial rec sites can match it up, I guarantee they will be able to do it.
My messages have been going crazy for 3 days now and plenty of willing participants with ranges from 300 up to GPS $1000+. My profile is blocked from public view and all of my pics are hidden so I know it's not my profile being highlighted or whatever, the only ones that can see me are the ones I favorite or view. Also, anybody want make a donation to my favorite charity? I got some investigating to do LOL.
[QUOTE=MilfHunter818;7381510][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/10eb8175-9e68-43ee-b3fb-6a28dafc7b0b[/URL]
This girl seems to be as dumb as a box of rocks. I tried to ask her how much to meet and she's like I don't know if I can I got to pay my car payment and daycare by Friday. And I'm like no shit that's why I'm asking how much per meet and that can help with what you need. Her profile says Atlanta but she lives near Columbus. She said she works in Atlanta every now and then. I simply stopped responding.[/QUOTE]This is a pretty standard scam. And the reason she seems to be dumb as a box of rocks is because she is actually a he using stolen pics and he doesn't actually speak English. He's likely managing dozens of accounts at one time and doesn't really have the time to copy and paste all responses into google translate. He looks for certain words or phrases to let him know he has a live one on the hook. His / her hope is if they continue to mention how they don't have enough money to meet you'll eventually offer to send them money for gas. You can safely block and move on.
[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7381909]My messages have been going crazy for 3 days now and plenty of willing participants with ranges from 300 up to GPS $1000+. My profile is blocked from public view and all of my pics are hidden so I know it's not my profile being highlighted or whatever, the only ones that can see me are the ones I favorite or view. Also, anybody want make a donation to my favorite charity? I got some investigating to do LOL.[/QUOTE]End of the month, rent's due, economy is crashing while prices go up. That's really all it takes.
[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7381962]End of the month, rent's due, economy is crashing while prices go up. That's really all it takes.[/QUOTE]It's a little like shooting fish in a barrel this week, pick which one I want to pay and poke.$800 has become $300 a couple of times. Funny how that math works seems like 57 can go into 25 as many times as my wallet can afford.
[QUOTE=ChristianTroy;7375590]Thanks for this, it's still great information.
In regards to Liszzz0777, I was texting her recently but it always raises a (small) red flag when the girl calls you "Love" right off the bat. I agree with you, she seems real, and I might still try to meet (since I love Latinas). The whole "Hi Love" thing just usually signals dancer or pro to me, LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;7375543]
Liszzz0777.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7feebfd9-8747-4c1e-b517-15bc6b959385[/URL]
She is in Cumming, never got to money, I lost interest. She seems real, and was down to meet.
[/QUOTE]So following up on this, Liz couldn't pass the verification I tried on her. I tried the "send me a selfie holding X number of fingers up". Immediately before she had been responding rapidly, but once I made that request she went silent for 3 hours then send me a severely cropped photo of a girl holding up 3 fingers. It was cropped in such a way that it was impossible to match to her SA photos.
Such a shame, I love a thiccccc Latina.
I've been wrong before though, but didn't feel like continuing with this one.
[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7381909]My messages have been going crazy for 3 days now and plenty of willing participants with ranges from 300 up to GPS $1000+. My profile is blocked from public view and all of my pics are hidden so I know it's not my profile being highlighted or whatever, the only ones that can see me are the ones I favorite or view. Also, anybody want make a donation to my favorite charity? I got some investigating to do LOL.[/QUOTE]Really? To me its been dry. Like really dry. To the point I got frustrated and deleted my account earlier in the month, before even my sub ran out. I created a new one a couple weeks later, days ago.
And its as dry as ever. Its not that I can't hit on a girl that I already cracked from seek and crack. Its just that after 2-3 hits it get old and I'm like can we change the song already.
Unless its free or near free. Then it makes things interesting.
Idk how y'all hit the same thing for months / years on straight without getting bored.
I admit I didn't use to be like this, this is one of the downsides of the hobby.
It builds up a tolerance, an itch for variety.
Either way, its shit now. I can't message a girl and in a couple hours I'm knee deep anymore like in 2020. Even if we take the absurdity of the price increase out of the equation.
The pool of potential girls from the last 30 days that actually fit the bill is small.
It takes days / weeks and honestly its a waste of time.
Time I could put into the real world and improving myself rather than scrolling to see if there's any fresh cute & fit 18-26 that have signed up.
Its crazy because you go outside and there's A Lot of young white girls everywhere. A Lot of them. Yet on the site its dry.
I'm guessing this is the curse of onlyfans.
But there has to be a way to get to these girls. I feel like jumping on IG / TikTok but that seems too risky.
This is my last month subbing.
[QUOTE=MadDog1746;7377111]About to see this one and wanted to know if anyone seen her before. Will update you all afterwards.
[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=71433443[/URL][/QUOTE]How did it go with her? She looks great, but two yellow flags I saw not having a premium (paid account) and most of the photos where face-only.
Fortunately she does have some full-body shots under the Fitness and Outfit sections.
The other item was "text me first I don't have premium" - meaning she doesn't have a paid account. But it sounds like she did get back to you, hopefully was a good experience?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3f512645-f384-42d0-a9b9-ffa21559cc04[/URL]
Wants 400 ppm or 200 for just a BJ. Too much for me, for her, but she was nice enough to talk to and didn't have an attitude.
[QUOTE=SetoMan;7383251]
It takes days / weeks and honestly its a waste of time.
Time I could put into the real world and improving myself rather than scrolling to see if there's any fresh cute & fit 18-26 that have signed up.
Its crazy because you go outside and there's A Lot of young white girls everywhere. A Lot of them. Yet on the site its dry.
I'm guessing this is the curse of onlyfans.
But there has to be a way to get to these girls. I feel like jumping on IG / TikTok but that seems too risky.
This is my last month subbing.[/QUOTE]It is feast or famine. Nothing for days and then last Sat night I had three wanting to meet up right then, and willing to lower PPM ask to make it happen. I agree it's not 20% as great as it was in the old days, but can get your d*ck wet on short notice sometimes. Depends on your budget and standards though.
400 ppm is just too high for most of the girls on the site who want it. Regardless of what the market says (and it likely actually agrees), the enjoyment / pleasure / entertainment you get from them, is not worth $400, not to mention additional hotel costs, etc.
And for the heavy hitters out there who toss around $500 - $1000 on a regular basis, good for them but just not sure how often they are slumming with the 6's and 7's.
Anyway I took a break from the site for 6 months and I enjoyed that peace and quiet, but now I am enjoying the action of being on there once again.
I nailed a pretty 31 y/o blonde in the back of my SUV last week for 300. Maybe too much for a quickie car date, but she would be that or a bit more for a 2 ish hr hotel session and may try to do that again soon.
Yep I got this one from Secret Benefits 31 year old ex gymnast from the Czech Republic. 400 ppm but she said she usually is like 5 or 6 and I politley declined and she thought about it and came back to 4. I did it because she was my first white girl and I am a 37 Black male. She said I seem nice and when I send a pic. We did a meet and greet then met up a hotel and fucked. I fucked her twice and just not my cup of tea. She was a good rider tho but I was able to satisfy my thirst. But they are out here, just have to keep looking.
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/7a52ffac93176961[/URL]
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7383368]It is feast or famine. Nothing for days and then last Sat night I had three wanting to meet up right then, and willing to lower PPM ask to make it happen. I agree it's not 20% as great as it was in the old days, but can get your d*ck wet on short notice sometimes. Depends on your budget and standards though.
400 ppm is just too high for most of the girls on the site who want it. Regardless of what the market says (and it likely actually agrees), the enjoyment / pleasure / entertainment you get from them, is not worth $400, not to mention additional hotel costs, etc.
And for the heavy hitters out there who toss around $500 - $1000 on a regular basis, good for them but just not sure how often they are slumming with the 6's and 7's.
Anyway I took a break from the site for 6 months and I enjoyed that peace and quiet, but now I am enjoying the action of being on there once again.
I nailed a pretty 31 y/o blonde in the back of my SUV last week for 300. Maybe too much for a quickie car date, but she would be that or a bit more for a 2 ish hr hotel session and may try to do that again soon.[/QUOTE]
I saw her. She is too tiny and skinny for my taste, but not bad. Can give her 7 rating.
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7383328]How did it go with her? She looks great, but two yellow flags I saw not having a premium (paid account) and most of the photos where face-only.
Fortunately she does have some full-body shots under the Fitness and Outfit sections.
The other item was "text me first I don't have premium" - meaning she doesn't have a paid account. But it sounds like she did get back to you, hopefully was a good experience?[/QUOTE]
She is a pro pretending to be an SB.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7383366][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3f512645-f384-42d0-a9b9-ffa21559cc04[/URL]
Wants 400 ppm or 200 for just a BJ. Too much for me, for her, but she was nice enough to talk to and didn't have an attitude.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7383328]How did it go with her? She looks great, but two yellow flags I saw not having a premium (paid account) and most of the photos where face-only.
Fortunately she does have some full-body shots under the Fitness and Outfit sections.
The other item was "text me first I don't have premium" - meaning she doesn't have a paid account. But it sounds like she did get back to you, hopefully was a good experience?[/QUOTE]She is Petite, her donation is around 150-300 depending your negotiating skills and things you looking to do, seems she could be kiky once you become a regular, I can tell she is jacked, typical girl from dis functional family, you can tell for what she post on social media that she is going through some medical issues, and lots of personality disorder, I think BBFS can be head but glad I didn't,she was bleeding, typical for high sexual activity.
[QUOTE=AtlPrince;7383514]She is a pro pretending to be an SB.[/QUOTE]Yep, any girl who offers different rates for different services is an escort and just using Seeking as higher end Tryst / STG.
Yes, Miley has family issues and grew up around foster care with different families. Once in a while, she visits her biological parents in Mexico. Her sister and brother live with her in her apartment. She is ambitious, has big goals and wants to make a hell lot of money.
[QUOTE=AircraftFZ10;7383876]She is Petite, her donation is around 150-300 depending your negotiating skills and things you looking to do, seems she could be kiky once you become a regular, I can tell she is jacked, typical girl from dis functional family, you can tell for what she post on social media that she is going through some medical issues, and lots of personality disorder, I think BBFS can be head but glad I didn't,she was bleeding, typical for high sexual activity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StubbornMule;7372130]These are good tips! Is there any way around the selfie verification? On top of that, Seeking now wants you to upload your I'd for "verification". Absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Curious about any work around to selfie verification.
Any tips?
Seems all new accounts need selfie verification.
Hadn't heard about I'd verification being mandatory yet but perhaps it is coming.
How many of you on this site, have a instagram or fake insta? As most young white / college.
SBs are all on insta and TikTok. Do you follow them? Or keep track of them?
It's amazing how I see most of these young ladies party and spend a lot.
Sometimes it helps coz I notice their friends on insta are also on Seeking or other sites. So it helps sometimes to know .
Then we know they are the real deal
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7381701]Many people misunderstand what Fawkes does. It prevents AIs from forming a facial rec from the photos it can find out on the web. So, all of those of you IRL must be processed through it before getting posted. Even those that are under the control of other people. Definitely tough.
If you run a IRL photo through Fawkes and then see if one of the facial rec sites can match it up, I guarantee they will be able to do it.[/QUOTE]That is what it originally did but even that is no longer valid. You can find articles discussing this. The point was that Fawkes broke their data map of your face by introducing differences that weren't recognizable to the human eye but confused the AI. Now the AI can handle those differences. From my research none of the tools that work on this premise actually work anymore. It's also impossible to control all the pictures of you that exist out there no matter how vigilant you are with your socials. If you really need anonymity don't use a real pic.
[QUOTE=PeterPan;7385136]How many of you on this site, have a instagram or fake insta? As most young white / college.
SBs are all on insta and TikTok. Do you follow them? Or keep track of them?
[/QUOTE]I have been talking to more of the girls on Signal and a bunch of them just use their real first and last name on it. So then I can easily look them up on Facebook and sometimes on Instagram and Tiktok.
You definitely get a feel for their lives, which is sometimes not a great thing and can ruin the fantasy a bit. But overall, it is more intel and that is generally good.
[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;7384179]Curious about any work around to selfie verification.
Any tips?
Seems all new accounts need selfie verification.
Hadn't heard about I'd verification being mandatory yet but perhaps it is coming.[/QUOTE]I tried to find a workaround to the selfie verification and even bought a human face type mask to wear, but it didn't work.
Thankfully I have three older accts that I can use until those either get strikes against them and banned, or if they make the selifie thing mandatory for older accts too. I would probably stop using the site at that point.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/daf1bcfc-0cce-4473-8c3f-d6eafcb46c3f[/URL]
I talked to this one a good bit and she seems DTF. She sent me all kinds of explicit pics and videos. She looks good in those, but a lot younger. I just don't know if those pics on the site are of a 32 y/o.
She seems good to go, but I just get a high traffic vibe from her, so going to pass. We didn't even discuss ppm amount. Anyway I appreciate her enthusiasm but just seems too risky for me (BBFS, I mean).
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3f512645-f384-42d0-a9b9-ffa21559cc04[/URL]
This one is DTF too, but gives off a slightl pro vibe. She wants 400 ppm or 200 for just BJ. Not worth it for me, but just sharing the info.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7385989]I tried to find a workaround to the selfie verification and even bought a human face type mask to wear, but it didn't work.
Thankfully I have three older accts that I can use until those either get strikes against them and banned, or if they make the selifie thing mandatory for older accts too. I would probably stop using the site at that point.[/QUOTE]Off to costume store to get fake hair, beard and moustache and some glasses LOL.
Hope that works.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;7386669][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3f512645-f384-42d0-a9b9-ffa21559cc04[/URL]
This one is DTF too, but gives off a slightl pro vibe. She wants 400 ppm or 200 for just BJ. Not worth it for me, but just sharing the info.[/QUOTE]She has been around and diff profiles too. I consider her as escort.
Avoid her! And you are welcome.
[QUOTE=PeterPan;7388414]Avoid her! And you are welcome.[/QUOTE]I actually just found out the same thing with her! She instantly went to saying she is broke from being fired from her job and just wants online and to have money sent to her.
[QUOTE=PeterPan;7388414]Avoid her! And you are welcome.[/QUOTE]What is she doing? Or what did she do? I may have some fun messing with her.
[QUOTE=Nistech83;7388427]I actually just found out the same thing with her! She instantly went to saying she is broke from being fired from her job and just wants online and to have money sent to her.[/QUOTE]Whomever is willing to spend can get her, just have the right approach and cash. 1 k per meet. Didn't take the offer so not sure what she's like.