The Massholes

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;5117875]What are you talking about Andir? What science? Fuzzy science? Yes, he knows that. How can someone who says that flu can't have "long term negative health impacts on the heart, lungs, brain, and other organs" can be basing anything on science? The only way STDKing could claim such a thing is because he knows nothing about the flu!

My God human ignorance and indoctrination knows no bounds. Whether it's the Trampanzees or the Tramp Derangement Syndrome wackos it always all depends on what side of Trump you're on! Even one's attitude towards the flu depends on what side of Tramp you're on! You people can't have one guy dictate your thinking to such an extent whether pro or con!

BTW WTF is Parler?[/QUOTE]From what I saw so far, STDKing is either a medical doctor or a biomedical researcher. Parler is a relatively new alternative to Twitter. It's not censored and that's why conspiracy theorists love it. This is the place where all internet loonies spend their time now.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;5117875]What are you talking about Andir? What science? Fuzzy science? Yes, he knows that. How can someone who says that flu can't have "long term negative health impacts on the heart, lungs, brain, and other organs" can be basing anything on science? The only way STDKing could claim such a thing is because he knows nothing about the flu!

My God human ignorance and indoctrination knows no bounds. Whether it's the Trampanzees or the Tramp Derangement Syndrome wackos it always all depends on what side of Trump you're on! Even one's attitude towards the flu depends on what side of Tramp you're on! You people can't have one guy dictate your thinking to such an extent whether pro or con!

BTW WTF is Parler?[/QUOTE]My opinions are based on science and medicine. Not what one person says. Never stated the flu can't have long term health effects.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;5117875]What are you talking about Andir? What science? Fuzzy science? Yes, he knows that. How can someone who says that flu can't have "long term negative health impacts on the heart, lungs, brain, and other organs" can be basing anything on science? The only way STDKing could claim such a thing is because he knows nothing about the flu!

My God human ignorance and indoctrination knows no bounds. Whether it's the Trampanzees or the Tramp Derangement Syndrome wackos it always all depends on what side of Trump you're on! Even one's attitude towards the flu depends on what side of Tramp you're on! You people can't have one guy dictate your thinking to such an extent whether pro or con!

BTW WTF is Parler?[/QUOTE]Parler is a new social media platform for people who don't like being censored by FB and Twitter. Mostly conservative.

Hey, less than 2 months on this site and you've got how many posts?

Reminds me of another former poster.

MikeJohns, fellow Monger. I enjoy reading interesting stories and contribute as much as I can. Been around the field for too long and always looking for something new! Be safe!

[QUOTE=MikeJohns;5118319]Hey, less than 2 months on this site and you've got how many posts?

Reminds me of another former poster.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;5117841]DentistBob is a Russian guy. As a fellow Russian I can assure you that there is no way that DentistBob and OlGary are the same because there is zero chance that OlGary is Russian. Zero zero zip.[/QUOTE]The only thing Russian about him is when he is rushing to get his ass pegged and reamed. I'm not sure where you get this Intel but you may want to scroll back on his profile. Then check out what A2 did to OlGary / Cheezefist. After he combined those two profiles OlGary / Cheezefist went on a tear creating more profiles.

Yes, certainly at least a medical doctor or researcher. He sounds way smart.

[QUOTE=Andir;5117958]From what I saw so far, STDKing is either a medical doctor or a biomedical researcher. Parler is a relatively new alternative to Twitter. It's not censored and that's why conspiracy theorists love it. This is the place where all internet loonies spend their time now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=STDKing;5114997] Third, COVID is WAY more contagious than the flu.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CrazyCrouton;5118489]The only thing Russian about him is when he is rushing to get his ass pegged and reamed. I'm not sure where you get this Intel but you may want to scroll back on his profile. Then check out what A2 did to OlGary / Cheezefist. After he combined those two profiles OlGary / Cheezefist went on a tear creating more profiles.[/QUOTE]Is this guy for real? Here is a clue. How do you know whether the person is Italian? You have an extended conversation with this person in Italian. Simple, right?

[QUOTE=CrazyCrouton;5118489]The only thing Russian about him is when he is rushing to get his ass pegged and reamed. I'm not sure where you get this Intel but you may want to scroll back on his profile. Then check out what A2 did to OlGary / Cheezefist. After he combined those two profiles OlGary / Cheezefist went on a tear creating more profiles.[/QUOTE]Not DentistBob though. Unless OlGary / Cheezefist speak perfect Russian too and there is just no way.

[QUOTE=STDKing;5118068]My opinions are based on science and medicine. Not what one person says. Never stated the flu can't have long term health effects.[/QUOTE]What science and medicine STDKing? Covid-19 is a new and not very well studied disease. The science around it is in embryonic state, meaning there isn't any reliable science on it out there. Even CDC struggles to describe differences between Covid and flu on its website using the word "seem" every time it makes any type of assertion. "Our" flu is a remnant of the Spanish flu that never stops mutating and that's why it still seems to be making rounds 100 years after it first appeared. Covid is a "new flu". Sure it's not exactly a flu of couple of years ago but no flu strain is exactly the same and that's why we've been chasing it with our flu shots since the time it first appeared. There is no reliable science in regards to Covid to base any even preliminary conclusions on because Covid haven't been around long enough to create any science around it yet besides in such great scientific institutions as CNN and FOX. Once thing for sure though. The two diseases are very much related and differences between them are marginal and I predict that in the future when mass hysteria over Covid-19 subsides the two strains will fuse and we'd begin to refer to Covid-19 as Covid flu, just like beforehand we referred to SARS as SARS flu.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm[/URL]

The more accurate description of Covid-19 is pandemic flu. A new stronger strain of what already been around that is harder to control. It's still a flu though. It's a bad ass flu but still a flu. BTW, SARS was even worse of a the coronavirus flu than what we're dealing with now, so was MERS, although I don't think MERS was a coronavirus strain. It just wasn't as easily transmittable as Covid-19 so they died off quickly. COVID-19 on the other hand is nowhere nearly as deadly as either SARS or MERS were but has more staying power. Still flu though. All of them.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/about.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;5119731]What science and medicine STDKing? Covid-19 is a new and not very well studied disease. The science around it is in embryonic state, meaning there isn't any reliable science on it out there. Even CDC struggles to describe differences between Covid and flu on its website using the word "seem" every time it makes any type of assertion. "Our" flu is a remnant of the Spanish flu that never stops mutating and that's why it still seems to be making rounds 100 years after it first appeared. Covid is a "new flu". Sure it's not exactly a flu of couple of years ago but no flu strain is exactly the same and that's why we've been chasing it with our flu shots since the time it first appeared. There is no reliable science in regards to Covid to base any even preliminary conclusions on because Covid haven't been around long enough to create any science around it yet besides in such great scientific institutions as CNN and FOX. Once thing for sure though. The two diseases are very much related and differences between them are marginal and I predict that in the future when mass hysteria over Covid-19 subsides the two strains will fuse and we'd begin to refer to Covid-19 as Covid flu, just like beforehand we referred to SARS as SARS flu.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm[/URL]

The more accurate description of Covid-19 is pandemic flu. A new stronger strain of what already been around that is harder to control. It's still a flu though. It's a bad ass flu but still a flu. BTW, SARS was even worse of a the coronavirus flu than what we're dealing with now, so was MERS, although I don't think MERS was a coronavirus strain. It just wasn't as easily transmittable as Covid-19 so they died off quickly. COVID-19 on the other hand is nowhere nearly as deadly as either SARS or MERS were but has more staying power. Still flu though. All of them.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/about.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Nothing against you personally, but you do not know what you are talking about. The Spanish flu was devastating. Few of us have experienced a flu that deadly. And while the modern flu can be deadly, COVID is killing far greater numbers, both because of it is more easily transmitted (for a range of reasons, including our lack of immunity), and because of how it can attack lungs, other organs and the vascular system. That last one is particularly concerning and one of the things that kept me up at night when I learned about it. If you want to cherry pick what you believe, so you feel safe mongering, go ahead. Not saying don't monger but am saying the virus doesn't care what you choose to believe. Even if you don't have pre-existing health conditions, a mortality rate of between. 7 to 3 percent is nothing to dismiss. If you are fat, have diabetes, immune issues, lung or heart issues, that number increases sharply. And in mass, for sone unknown reason, it is closer to 5 percent mortality (that is 1 in 20). True if you are a perfectly healthy specimen and quite youthful, your actual risk might be lower. But we just don't know, because as you point out: this is a new disease (this is why the Spanish flu was so dangerous, and it is also why smallpox swept through the Native American population and killed them like flies). I don't have a problem with you or anyone else, I do have an issue with people endangering themselves or others because they are selective about what science to believe just so they can feel less nervous about getting a hangdog.

Yes, we have limited data. But we have a year of information at this point and we know enough to understand this isn't a flu. It will likely become a recurring, mutating illness. Hopefully it becomes less virulent and we develop immunity, and it starts to resemble something more like the flu. In the meantime, understand, if you get Covid, and become symptomatic, your chances of serious illness drastically increase. If it affects your lungs badly it is like drowning on dry land. If you are unlucky, you could get clots and suffer a stroke or heart attack. We still don't know fully about it's long term impact but there are enough cases of people with serious lingering health issues to be concerned about it.

[QUOTE=STDKing;5119973]Nothing against you personally, but you do not know what you are talking about. The Spanish flu was devastating. Few of us have experienced a flu that deadly. And while the modern flu can be deadly, COVID is killing far greater numbers, both because of it is more easily transmitted (for a range of reasons, including our lack of immunity), and because of how it can attack lungs, other organs and the vascular system. That last one is particularly concerning and one of the things that kept me up at night when I learned about it. If you want to cherry pick what you believe, so you feel safe mongering, go ahead. Not saying don't monger but am saying the virus doesn't care what you choose to believe. Even if you don't have pre-existing health conditions, a mortality rate of between. 7 to 3 percent is nothing to dismiss. If you are fat, have diabetes, immune issues, lung or heart issues, that number increases sharply. And in mass, for sone unknown reason, it is closer to 5 percent mortality (that is 1 in 20). True if you are a perfectly healthy specimen and quite youthful, your actual risk might be lower. But we just don't know, because as you point out: this is a new disease (this is why the Spanish flu was so dangerous, and it is also why smallpox swept through the Native American population and killed them like flies). I don't have a problem with you or anyone else, I do have an issue with people endangering themselves or others because they are selective about what science to believe just so they can feel less nervous about getting a hangdog.

Yes, we have limited data. But we have a year of information at this point and we know enough to understand this isn't a flu. It will likely become a recurring, mutating illness. Hopefully it becomes less virulent and we develop immunity, and it starts to resemble something more like the flu. In the meantime, understand, if you get Covid, and become symptomatic, your chances of serious illness drastically increase. If it affects your lungs badly it is like drowning on dry land. If you are unlucky, you could get clots and suffer a stroke or heart attack. We still don't know fully about it's long term impact but there are enough cases of people with serious lingering health issues to be concerned about it.[/QUOTE]There is another, rarely mentioned aspect of why SARS-CoV-2 (aka COVID-19) is so dangerous. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that it induces neuroinflammation (immune response of the brain cells — neurons). There is substantial evidence that brain inflammation in women during the later stages of pregnancy is associated with a much higher probability of developing autism in their children. It's essentially a time bomb that may explode in a few years.

[QUOTE=STDKing;5119973]Nothing against you personally, but you do not know what you are talking about. The Spanish flu was devastating. Few of us have experienced a flu that deadly. And while the modern flu can be deadly, COVID is killing far greater numbers, both because of it is more easily transmitted (for a range of reasons, including our lack of immunity), and because of how it can attack lungs, other organs and the vascular system. That last one is particularly concerning and one of the things that kept me up at night when I learned about it. If you want to cherry pick what you believe, so you feel safe mongering, go ahead. Not saying don't monger but am saying the virus doesn't care what you choose to believe. Even if you don't have pre-existing health conditions, a mortality rate of between. 7 to 3 percent is nothing to dismiss. If you are fat, have diabetes, immune issues, lung or heart issues, that number increases sharply. And in mass, for sone unknown reason, it is closer to 5 percent mortality (that is 1 in 20). True if you are a perfectly healthy specimen and quite youthful, your actual risk might be lower. But we just don't know, because as you point out: this is a new disease (this is why the Spanish flu was so dangerous, and it is also why smallpox swept through the Native American population and killed them like flies). I don't have a problem with you or anyone else, I do have an issue with people endangering themselves or others because they are selective about what science to believe just so they can feel less nervous about getting a hangdog.

Yes, we have limited data. But we have a year of information at this point and we know enough to understand this isn't a flu. It will likely become a recurring, mutating illness. Hopefully it becomes less virulent and we develop immunity, and it starts to resemble something more like the flu. In the meantime, understand, if you get Covid, and become symptomatic, your chances of serious illness drastically increase. If it affects your lungs badly it is like drowning on dry land. If you are unlucky, you could get clots and suffer a stroke or heart attack. We still don't know fully about it's long term impact but there are enough cases of people with serious lingering health issues to be concerned about it.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with anything you say with exception of one thing: there is no science that proves anything in terms of Covid one way or the other. There isn't enough time passed for the science to develop. That's why you see the words like "seems", "likely" and the like in more reputable sources which are not entrumped either pro or anti Trump one way or the other.

If you read cdc entries on cancer or common cold for that matter you don't get many "likely"s. Because there we'd be talking science. But not with Covid-19. Covid-19 largely is still guesswork. Sorry but there is very little science there. That's why Dr. Fauci changes his mind all the time in regards to what science says. First we had "no masks", then we had "yes masks". First he said "sending your kids to schools is dangerous", now he says "sending your kids to schools is not dangerous". First he had "14 days quarantine needed while 10 days in GA was dangerous" now he says "Quarantine can end after Day 10 without testing and if no symptoms have been reported during daily monitoring". Why all this? Because there is no settled science on Covid-19 yet, even for the esteemed doctor. Science on Covid-19 is still very much being developed. That's why every time someone brings up the term "science" when referring to Covid-19 to me it feels like something rooted in either CNN or FOX propaganda, not in reality.

In fact at this point most of the people's and mass media positions here in the US on Covid fully correlate with their position on Trump. It's crazy to which extent they do so but it's true at least IMHO. That's why I usually try to avoid American sources when sizing up the reality of Covid-19 treatments in favor of others which are nowhere nearly as politicized. Since I speak couple of foreign languages I have a luxury of doing so but you know what? I'd trust English-language version of Der Spiegel over anything US based on Covid-19 any day too.

I'm not diminishing the potency of this new coronavirus but as someone who went through cholera epidemic once I also know the difference. This is not even in the league while I feel that it's being treated here as though it's not Covid but Ebola. Sometimes that gets to me but I wear mask and do social distancing just anybody else. I'm not out there to prove the point, let alone do the revolution. And yes, I will take my vaccine the first chance I get and I will prefer Moderna. LOL.

Don't let mass hysteria get to you. Take your vitamins people. 1000 D, 1000-1500 C (preferably Liposomal), Sunrise Odorless Garlic pill (the only one that indeed is odorless), and Centrum Complete multivitamin for Men which would give you 1,000 more of vitamin D for the total of 2,000 of D that you need. No guarantees but you'd stand a much better chance with it against all viruses including Covid. Protect yourself the best you can but still monger like mofos. And don't! For God's sake don't! Take her words seriously when she tells you that she's been tasted and she's ok. lol She'd tell you so even if she wasn't ok no matter how much you feel she's "different". You monger - you take your chances whether you get it or not. So just chill and go to town with it. Peace out folk.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;5120916]I don't disagree with anything you say with exception of one thing: there is no science that proves anything in terms of Covid one way or the other. There isn't enough time passed for the science to develop. That's why you see the words like "seems", "likely" and the like in more reputable sources which are not entrumped either pro or anti Trump one way or the other.

If you read cdc entries on cancer or common cold for that matter you don't get many "likely"s. Because there we'd be talking science. But not with Covid-19. Covid-19 largely is still guesswork. Sorry but there is very little science there. That's why Dr. Fauci changes his mind all the time in regards to what science says. First we had "no masks", then we had "yes masks". First he said "sending your kids to schools is dangerous", now he says "sending your kids to schools is not dangerous". First he had "14 days quarantine needed while 10 days in GA was dangerous" now he says "Quarantine can end after Day 10 without testing and if no symptoms have been reported during daily monitoring". Why all this? Because there is no settled science on Covid-19 yet, even for the esteemed doctor. Science on Covid-19 is still very much being developed. That's why every time someone brings up the term "science" when referring to Covid-19 to me it feels like something rooted in either CNN or FOX propaganda, not in reality.[/QUOTE]Did a quick search on Pubmed — there are 84,467 scientific publications on COVID-19 in 2020 only, including detailed structural, functional, clinical, epidemiological, and so on, studies. Not sure why you think that not much is known about the virus and what it does to the human body. Some really smart people are working on these issues.

CNN, FOX or even Spiegel (!) have nothing to do with any of it.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;5120916]I don't disagree with anything you say with exception of one thing: there is no science that proves anything in terms of Covid one way or the other. There isn't enough time passed for the science to develop. That's why you see the words like "seems", "likely" and the like in more reputable sources which are not entrumped either pro or anti Trump one way or the other.[/QUOTE]No, that's not why you see language such as "seems" and "likely. " That's the language of science. Real scientists don't draw hard lines when research is ongoing. But just because research is ongoing doesn't mean we don't know a lot already.

Read the scientific literature. Scroll down to the Conclusion section. Look at the language.