Safe Mongering in Honolulu

I agree. I don't care for the table shower and definitely not the community scrubber.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Visited Lavander this weekend. Used some of the advice posted here.

I declined the TS (as I have before) but had the provider wash me standing up, she used the pump soap instead of the bar soap and I told her no community scruber, she used her hands, actually very nice washing my dong and balls, got my pole pointing. she did not touch my brown eye, so I washed there.

The reason I declined the TS is I don't think it's a good idea to lay on my stomach with my dong and balls on that wet, sometimes cold, plastic, meldew looking bed. What might I pick up on that TS bed? Even if it harmless, I don't like the thought of my boys up rubbing around there where every one elses boy's lay. Do they ever clean that thing? And if so, how offten.

I also asked to go shower as soon as we finished the deed and I caught my breath (was good sex) to wash the boys down. She said let wash up together, so she washed up with me too, kinda nice actually. I was temped to use the listerene as I read, but thought it would burn and she would think I am strange, so I just washed up good with the pump soap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kb Lover]I've always believed you couldn't get Herpes from ibbbjs, at least that's what I was taught. I believed that herpes simplex-a (oral) and herpes complex (genital) were two different viruses that had similarities. Recently I've read that oral herpes can be transmitted to genitalia, but I'm still not convinced or positive of this info.[/QUOTE]Herpes Simplex Virus 1 (HSV-1) is commonly referred to as oral Herpes, though it can be received in the genitals.

Herpes Simplex Virus 2 (HSV-2) is commonly referred to as genital Herpes, though it can be received around the mouth (orally).

Each kind of Herpes can cause recurrent outbreaks in its "preferred" location, but it is virtually unheard of to have a recurrent outbreak in the "non-preferred" location. Similarly, each kind sheds from its preferred location, but not its non-preferred location.

You can catch HSV-1 from someone's mouth, but not from someone's genitals unless you catch it within a couple of weeks of them catching it. This is because they may have an initial outbreak, but will not have recurrent outbreaks, or shedding.

Similarly, you can catch HSV-2 from someone's genitals, but not from someone's mouth.

If you have HSV-1 orally or genitally, you won't catch it in the other location from anyone else, except perhaps during the first couple of weeks after your own original infection.

Similarly, if you have HSV-2 orally or genitally, you won't catch it in the other location.

Most of us have HSV-1. About 1/4 of us have HSV-2. HSV-1 is very infectious. HSV-2 is "somewhat" infectious (about 4% of mismatched couples engaging in unprotected sex but not during outbreaks transmitted to the other partner).

So, you could get HSV-1 genitally from a BJ (covered or not). But you probably already have HSV-1 orally, and so won't catch it genitally. Also, if you do catch it genitally, you will have an initial outbreak but nothing else, and won't pass it on to anyone else once that outbreak is over. Finally, most people who catch it get it from a simple kiss from a parent or grandparent, and so it is carries no STD stigma. Even if your doctor finds it in your blood at some point, he will not be surprised. Nor will your wife.

Similarly, you could catch HSV-2 orally from DATY. But if you do, after the initial outbreak it will almost certainly never bother you or anyone else ever again. Your doctor may find HSV-2 antibodies in your blood, but won't think much of it unless he has a recent negative finding from your blood to compare it to. You won't pass it on (after the initial outbreak subsides). You won't get recurrent outbreaks.

So, in many many respects, BBBJ and BBDATY are both very safe, but BBBJ is culturally safer because HSV-1 (which is what you may possibly catch from BBBJ) is not considered a STD, and so raises less questions. But even DATY won't raise any questions once the initial outbreak subsides.

Full service is another matter, since you could get HSV-2 genitally from that, which could possibly cause you problems for the rest of your life (but they are mild problems, but they are difficult to explain away).

In many respects, the ideal situation would be to catch HSV-2 orally (by doing DATY). A few weeks after that, you would be over the initial outbreak, would never have another, would never infect anyone else, and would be unable to catch HSV-2 genitally.

Gherkin

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One risk of Mongering is LE stings and raids.

With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? (Like say your "just looking"...)

Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?

Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?

Just wondering.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]

With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? [/quote]
That topic was previously discussed on the forum (before you became a member). To help place your mind at ease, the general consensus was that a customer most likely won't be arrested in a raid on a massage or relaxation business if he doesn't have any current warrants, he isn't found to possess something illegal, and he isn't foolish enough to confess to doing something illegal.

[QUOTE=Kapalua]That topic was previously discussed on the forum (before you became a member). To help place your mind at ease, the general consensus was that a customer most likely won't be arrested in a raid on a massage or relaxation business if he doesn't have any current warrants, he isn't found to possess something illegal, and he isn't foolish enough to confess to doing something illegal.[/QUOTE]Thank You Kapalua. And congratulations on 1000+ most informative posts!

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?

Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?

Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Allow me to opine on this with past experience(s).

Depending on the charge, the bail amount will vary. When getting arrested, the cops will take you to the station and take ALL of your 'property' and put them into a clear plastic bag with a tag that identifies it as yours. 'Property' is including but limited to: wallets, cell phones, keys, coins (in your pocket), rings/jewelry/accessories, belts, and even your shoe laces (if you have any).
*reason is that they don't want to leave an inmate with anything that he/she can use to commit suicide*

If you have the cash in your wallet, you can probably let the holding officers know that you have enough cash to bail you out. If not, then your 1 phone call is probably what you will need to use to have yourself bailed out. Just remember to memorize your best friend's/most reliable friend's phone number, as you won't be able to go through your cell phone for the number.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids?[/QUOTE]

Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck![/QUOTE]


Thank you Perry Mason. I'm hiring you if/when I get thrown in the OCCC pokey.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction. [/QUOTE]
Which is why a safer procedure for a hobbyist encountering an unknown woman, who might be a police "decoy" instead of a real streetwalker, is to avoid saying anything about money or any sexual act unless she enters the hobbyist's vehicle and drives away with him.

[QUOTE=Kapalua]Which is why a safer procedure for a hobbyist encountering an unknown woman, who might be a police "decoy" instead of a real streetwalker, is to avoid saying anything about money or any sexual act unless she enters the hobbyist's vehicle and drives away with him.[/QUOTE]

Right Kap.

Whenever I _do_ cruise DT, I just pull over and "they" jump in. No discussion of money, if they hesistate, drive away. Or, like numerous reports out of 1000+ from the mighty Kap..

If they seem to be too good too be true, guess what-- they prolly are LE.

H

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.

2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."

3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.

4. Admit nothing!

5. Play dumb.

6. Admit nothing!

7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tyrone Biggins]Allow me to opine on this with past experience(s).

Depending on the charge, the bail amount will vary. When getting arrested, the cops will take you to the station and take ALL of your 'property' and put them into a clear plastic bag with a tag that identifies it as yours. 'Property' is including but limited to: wallets, cell phones, keys, coins (in your pocket), rings/jewelry/accessories, belts, and even your shoe laces (if you have any).

*reason is that they don't want to leave an inmate with anything that he/she can use to commit suicide*

If you have the cash in your wallet, you can probably let the holding officers know that you have enough cash to bail you out. If not, then your 1 phone call is probably what you will need to use to have yourself bailed out. Just remember to memorize your best friend's/most reliable friend's phone number, as you won't be able to go through your cell phone for the number.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Great Information. Thank You Candy and TB.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck![/QUOTE]
This is exactly what happened to me at PT a year ago except they didn't try to get me to admit anything they just checked my ID and then I heard them say "we can't hold him for anything"
It was almost humorous to watch a bunch of arrogant pigs wearing ski masks talk to me like I was their *****. I was tempted to ask them how much they make going around acting like Baretta on crack.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.

Being at an AMP is not illegal.

Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.

Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.

If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.

So, the simple rules to follow are:

1. Cooperate completely.

2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."

3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.

4. Admit nothing!

5. Play dumb.

6. Admit nothing!

7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?

Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!

BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.

The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!

Good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks for the 411. I remember pulling into the VIP parking one nite all bus. Drove down and saw hellah cops in mask and crap. It was late but I didn't panic just dove down turned around and left. And got sober real quick. Knowledge always makes a tough experience a little easier to survive. Thanks again if its me in the room when they do a raid at least I know. LOL Kiss my a** goodbye.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]One risk of Mongering is LE stings and raids.

With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? (Like say your "just looking"...)

Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?

Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?

Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Once, way back when, I was in Arisoo during a raid. Fortunately I wasn't in a room during the raid, I was in the waiting area because all the rooms were full (presumably with the undercovers). While I was waiting I was watching t. V. With some other guy who was also waiting and I happened to see a bunch of LE in ski masks and bullet proof vests walking up the little walkway on the surveillance cameras. All I could think of then was F***! All they did though was ask for our ID's and take down some info. They didn't ask any questions and they told us we shouldn't come back. Saw the undercovers come out from the back in ski masks too and couldn't help but wonder how far they actually let the session get till they call in the backup. As for if they actually take you in, I bailed my friend out once and I now know that they don't take checks. So if you have to get someone out you have to bring cash. The amount depends on the crime and how much they decide to set bail at.

Does anyone know if they log open a file on you they run your ID? Or, do they just run the check and not track anything further?

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