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[QUOTE=WillShookSpear;4762004]And this is why you're wrong, and it's the basis of your contention.

Let's take this apart for a minute. Do young people get Covid? Yes, they do. Do they get sick? Often not. Are they then carriers that can affect others? Yes.

Exponential growth happens in all of the population, and in fact asymptomatic young people are among the most dangerous carriers as they are least likely to socially distance. This is why your "if you're at risk, stay home", which translates as "if you're not at risk, I. E. Young, this stuff doesn't matter" is patently, completely and dangerously false.

[URL]https://www.citylab.com/equity/2020/03/coronavirus-vunerable-elderly-adults-ageism-younger-people/608224/[/URL]

This is where your focus on point statistics is simply wrong; EVERYONE is at risk. EVERYONE can carry the disease. Exponential growth in cases can affect the ENTIRE population.

I'm out; we're unlikely to reach an accord and in the end the vast majority of guidance says I'm right. And a small smattering of anecdotal situations here and there prove. Nothing.[/QUOTE]You keep saying the same shit over and over again and NEVER answering the question. Like I said last time, it's because you can't. And you ignore anything you don't want to address like the millions you would condemn to a slow death of starvation.

[QUOTE=MassageMeow;4762174]This is such a dangerous thing to get hung up on. The long term damages that we are seeing so far have been rather alarming. Scarring on organs, including the heart and lungs, neurological damage, not to mention the psychological damages. These things have a way of severely affecting the quality of life for people who contract the virus. But because it is not as easily quantifiable, people tend to stick with discussing death only.

This is a case in which I am in support of being cautious, fuck the economy.

People over profits, period.[/QUOTE][URL]https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1062292[/URL]

It's not about profits, its about the world economy, rich people will be fine. They live in houses their great grandparents built and have enough money in the safe to live for 10 years. It's not about their profits, they know once this is over and nobody has a job anymore their labor costs will be nothing. I could cut my employees salaries in half right now and they would thank me for having a job because nobody else in their families do now.

Here this one is closer to home it's about Colombian hookers [URL]https://www.france24.com/en/20200419-the-agony-of-colombia-s-quarantined-sex-workers[/URL].

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[QUOTE=MassageMeow;4762174]The long term damages that we are seeing so far have been rather alarming. Scarring on organs, including the heart and lungs, neurological damage, not to mention the psychological damages.[/QUOTE]You apparently don't have a science degree. If you did, you'd now several things:

1. There are no "long term" effects yet. Five months isn't "long term".

2. The single report that every third-rate media site relied on for that, had no credibility to begin with. Of course, as it gets quoted and the quotes re-quoted, you lose track of the original.

3. Subsequent to that, due to inquiries, Johns Hopkins, who had nothing to do with the discredited report, released a report on the scarring from COVID-related pneumonia. Which is scary, as is regular pneumonia. But only an absolute idiot would somehow believe (as you seem to) that this would be symptomless. These are the older people with pre-existing co-morbidities who wind up in a morbid state. And yeah, some, if they fail to die, are damage. What a shock!

4. That mostly applies to 65+ year olds with other issues, such as diabetes, obesity or a reasonably short list of common issues. Those are the people who should be quarantining.

5. The psychological damage of isolating teens, or of destroying the savings and jobs of individuals, of restricting social contacts, far outweighs the unverified risks you're specifying.

Lastly, did you forget the initial death estimates? Neil Ferguson (Imperial College) estimated something like over 2 million deaths in the USA Initially. Clearly flat-out wrong. The quarantines? They were to "flatten the curve" so the hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed, not to prevent the spread at all. Just to slow it. But hospitals have not been overwhelmed. In fact, the Army hospital at Safeco, 500 beds or so, was closed unused. The USA S. Comfort in NYC, set up as an emergency overflow, similarly left under-utilized.

The curve has been flattened, and the reason we flattened it. To avoid overrunning hospitals. Has been disproven. Stop following the false prophets who keep changing the goal posts.

Some people are grumpy mcgrumpypants.

Need to put down their sheriff badge and chill out.

[QUOTE=Efurufe;4730092]What is "$x4"? Definitely a new notation for me.

I read it as $400, or possibly $140 (similar to ' 4'.

Have to admit that I've never quite understood the reason for these abbreviations. Presumably it's to protect against LE action, but any code that you and I understand, they will too, and certainly a jury would.

I highly doubt that "I had a dream that I had FS for $$" is much less incriminating than "I paid $200 for sex" (but maybe I'm wrong. Anyone have evidence that this "code" actually protects anyone?[/QUOTE]Remember when this forum was about sex workers and people confusing symbols for numbers? Those were good times.

[QUOTE=Rousse;4762610]You apparently don't have a science degree. If you did, you'd now several things:
The quarantines? They were to "flatten the curve" so the hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed, not to prevent the spread at all. Just to slow it. But hospitals have not been overwhelmed. In fact, the Army hospital at Safeco, 500 beds or so, was closed unused. The USA S. Comfort in NYC, set up as an emergency overflow, similarly left under-utilized.[/QUOTE]That's like saying "I took an allergy medication this morning so I wouldn't have allergy symptoms all day. But now the day is over and I haven't had any symptoms, so it was totally unnecessary. ".

Yes, we prepared for the numbers we'd see if the quarantine didn't work. But it worked so we didn't need the beds. The point here is that the quarantine is WORKING.

And as a scientist you know that when dealing with a brand new virus, the goal posts are going to move. We have no real historical data to make projections except what's happening right now, and there are lots of variables to consider. The key takeaway for me was that we don't want to open up too early, get another spike in cases, and have to start over again. That would be far worse for everyone, including the economy.

[QUOTE=Efurufe;4771535]That's like saying "I took an allergy medication this morning so I wouldn't have allergy symptoms all day. But now the day is over and I haven't had any symptoms, so it was totally unnecessary. ".

Yes, we prepared for the numbers we'd see if the quarantine didn't work. But it worked so we didn't need the beds. The point here is that the quarantine is WORKING.

And as a scientist you know that when dealing with a brand new virus, the goal posts are going to move. We have no real historical data to make projections except what's happening right now, and there are lots of variables to consider. The key takeaway for me was that we don't want to open up too early, get another spike in cases, and have to start over again. That would be far worse for everyone, including the economy[/QUOTE]The army hospitals were only taking in non-covid patients. Mercy was finally willing to take covid patients at the very end but ships are not designed to take highly contagious patients so that did not happen.

[QUOTE=Efurufe;4771535]Yes, we prepared for the numbers we'd see if the quarantine didn't work. But it worked so we didn't need the beds. The point here is that the quarantine is WORKING.[/QUOTE]Even the experts admit that they were wrong, that the fatality rate is far lower than estimated outside of a limited subset of the population. It wasn't the quarantine, it was that they were flat out wrong about the seriousness.

It seems strange that you rely on their initial discredited proclamations while refusing to acknowledge reality, the update facts and their corrections. Some of them haven't self-corrected all the way to the data-proven situation, but all have corrected significantly. Except, apparently, you. Still relying on that whole flat-earth model too, I presume?

[QUOTE=Rousse;4773003]Even the experts admit that they were wrong[/QUOTE]Sources, please.

[QUOTE=WillShookSpear;4775621]Sources, please.[/QUOTE]Seriously? Clarify this for me. Are you honestly a brain-dead sheltered moron with no social and even less intellectual skill and ability, unexposed to the news about the changing models, the random-sampling antibody results and the subsequent re-evaluation of even when CV started, somehow able to use a web browser but incapable of grasping even the simplest of searches or news pages? Or are you instead a pathetic mouth-breathing internet troll, living in an abandoned house's basement because even your mother kicked you out, as you fantasize about what it must be like to see sunshine and not instantly burn, or see people and not have them instantly repulsed, who simply has a macro replying "Sources, please" because you saw it somewhere and realized it allows you to get your post count up without being too obvious about your illiteracy on the current, and indeed every conceivable, topic?.

[QUOTE=Rousse;4776394]Seriously? Clarify this for me. Are you honestly a brain-dead sheltered moron with no social and even less intellectual skill and ability, unexposed to the news about the changing models, the random-sampling antibody results and the subsequent re-evaluation of even when CV started, somehow able to use a web browser but incapable of grasping even the simplest of searches or news pages? Or are you instead a pathetic mouth-breathing internet troll, living in an abandoned house's basement because even your mother kicked you out, as you fantasize about what it must be like to see sunshine and not instantly burn, or see people and not have them instantly repulsed, who simply has a macro replying "Sources, please" because you saw it somewhere and realized it allows you to get your post count up without being too obvious about your illiteracy on the current, and indeed every conceivable, topic?.[/QUOTE]Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

Actually, I haven't seen any of the articles where the "experts" admit they were wrong either. They modeled their predictions, as you mentioned, based upon the available data at the time, but of course we had States institute shelter in place orders which may have flattened the curve and lowered the fatality rate. But even now the administration is admitting that there may be more fatalities as states open up. But, this admin will never admit it was wrong.

[QUOTE=WillShookSpear;4775621]Sources, please.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chingados;4776709]Actually, I haven't seen any of the articles where the "experts" admit they were wrong either. They modeled their predictions, as you mentioned, based upon the available data at the time, but of course we had States institute shelter in place orders which may have flattened the curve and lowered the fatality rate. But even now the administration is admitting that there may be more fatalities as states open up. But, this admin will never admit it was wrong.[/QUOTE]Has there ever been any admin that would admit it was wrong.

[QUOTE=Rousse;4776394]Content-free rant.[/QUOTE]There really isn't anything quite as precious as someone saying "this thing is true", and then when asked to back it up resorts to a long rant consisting alternately of "you could search and find it" and childish insults.

Other than being intellectually dishonest, it demonstrates that in fact the individual has done no research, and the reason that it smells like bullshit is that they've pulled it out of their asses.

This is why this forum isn't much more than fun; a rational discussion can't be had with irrational people.

[URL]https://www.mic.com/articles/72705/7-times-u-s-presidents-have-admitted-they-were-wrong-in-history[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-obama-mistake-analysis-idUSTRE51371Q20090204[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/26/barack-obama-state-of-union[/URL]

Has there ever been any admin that has lied to the American public this often? About things as insignificant as crowd sizes from day 1 just to feed the ego of one insecure person?

[QUOTE=BarryMyRutner;4776743]Has there ever been any admin that would admit it was wrong.[/QUOTE]