Know what you want, Go where you will get it
If you just want a decent massage with a HJ happy ending, try keeping to the AMPs that offer a full hour massage as their main stay. If you want immediate FS service, focus on the places that encourage Half hour visits.
I'm generally a 1-hour sensual massage HJ guy, but sometimes a Hhr place meets my immediate needs and I recognize they serve different purposes for different Mongers. The Half Hour appointment places are showing up more with a trend that gives you less time, at full hour higher prices. In my travels I've noticed that the places that offer and push for half hour appointments generally have FS menus and consequently expect too much tip for just a massage and HJ.
To me this over charging trend is based on value of time, not just the service provided. Women who make $. + in a half hour with a FS client expect to provide FS and get $. + for their time. If you just want a massage and HJ then it is on you for not taking advantage of what you could have. Unfortunately, you might have to pay top dollar for that HJ, because they see the value of the time spent with you, not the service you request. Why would they rub and tug you for a smaller tip, when the next guy in line is a FS client tipping full price for the same time? So, she'll tell you an overpriced rate for a HJ because she expects to get paid a FS donation for her time. And all that works for her, because, if you go for it, she gets the same bucks, or very close to it, for much less work and less wear and tear on her goods.
When we get quoted a crazy price for a HJ in a Hhr spa we will have to negotiate it down or take it in the wallet. But I discovered even if you negotiate them down, the savings isn't much. If you are like me, serious haggling really steals some of the fun out of the visit too. And if you only have a half hour, haggling wastes time, kills the mood, and the massage often ends up barely worth it because she's expecting to perform FS, not having to work hard massaging someone, with no fun in it for her, for less money. That is why when guys do get a great massage from a Hhr FS provider they mention it in their post.
FS women have a FS mentality too. They want the most money for the least work. Why do you think so many FS providers like doggie, or mish, where they let you do most the work?
If you end up in a FS spa, you might as well pony up the extra and get down to some real FS fun. Why pay a premium for a HJ when you might get FS for .2 or .4 more? You can always consider leaving, or you can suck it up and pay for an expensive HE, but that will probably be with a short lame massage and tame HJ.
Another thing to consider. Beware, if you go to a FS Hhr place and don't want FS from the woman in front of you, you're possibly insulting her by refusing her FS. Most women I know don't take rejection well, so she is wondering why you came to a FS place and don't want FS? You came to a candy store; why don't you want the candy? And she probably wondering why you don't want FS from her. If she doesn't feel insulted it's probably because she figures you have no clue what you're doing. Either way, the result of this is that her performance might be very disappointing.
I have also noticed that many FS providers giving HJs tend to rush you to cum and once you've popped and they cleaned you up, announce "all done" before your time is really up. Again, you can speak up and demand more time, but they are already thinking about the next FS customer who's paying FS tips.
This triple whammy to me isn't worth it. Lame massage, encouraged you to finish quickly, and then cuts your time, just doesn't make a Monger's day.
Besides to me a half hour isn't enough time to get a good full body sensual massage, let alone tossing in some quality extra fun. I prefer a longer hands on experience, including the oil rubs, the potential teasing, and then a pleasing finish. I'd rather do a 1 Hr AMP visit that offers a great massage with perhaps the possibility of a little more, than a FS Hhr place that offers it all with a lame massage.
Be sure you know what you want. If you want a great massage, go to a 1 Hr massage place, if you want FS action go to a Hhr FS place. Seldom will you get FS in a 1 Hr place on the first visit, and also seldom will you get a great massage with a Hhr FS place that expects you to show up, get it up, get off, pay up, and leave in a Hhr.
From all the free intel in these posts, there is no excuse for not finding the place a provider that suits you best. And it is true, if you become a trusted repeat customer at Full Hour AMPs, it's possible to get FS.
Get all you can and enjoy it as best you can, while you can.
Different Objectives Are Perfectly Fine, Massage, VS Full Service
[QUOTE=Magnum44;5634687]What would be nice is if we had a FS Spa thread dedicated to the hardcore mongers. Really understanding the distinction between services provided would be helpful and save the noob (including myself here) a few bucks, but whatever. I am like you and really enjoy a quality massage and release; that type of intel would be really helpful to me and maybe others.[/QUOTE]Separate threads is not a bad idea. It might make it easier to find exactly what you are looking for, but I do like to read the comments and learn where I don't want to go, as much as learning where I definitely want to go once the excitement dies down after a good review.
This thread has clearly become more Full Service Half-hour Spa focused since COVID debouched the AMP businesses, but I think there is enough general Massage oriented AMP information available if you read enough posts.
It's easy enough to avoid pure FS Spas if you read the posts about: Lusk, Flanders, Erma, 108 (Ocean), Serenity, or Ronson to name a few that are regularly mentioned with names and play by play details. You may also consider Sunny (KMesa), Ocean Breeze, or Healthy Touch to be FS although not posted about much. And of course many more if you research a little.
For hour long Massage based fun try: Bon, AAA Elite, Crystal, Leisure, Gold Ocean, Memories, Royal, MBC or Garnet Asian, to name a few that are Massage based with the possibility of enjoying a good release before you go. All can be found with an easy google search, or a peek at are-Maps. Naturally with the number of AMPs we have in SD you can find many more that please guys like us.
Of course there are no promises, and YMMV, but in my humble travels, I've been consistently happy with the talent at these locations. Because some of my favs are at some of these locations and can trust my discretion I will honor their trust in me and not give specific names. Sorry if that frustrates anyone.
I had mentioned a few of these locations with names in a previous post not too long ago because there was no obligation of secrecy. Feel free to research back if you need a little more intel. If you dig back far enough you'll find others have posted on some of these locations with their recommendations too.
Although there is a lot of FS excitement going on since the talent seems quite hot, and accommodating, I think eventually Massage loving mongers who love hour long massages with sweet Asian Women who make us happy will speak up and post more.
We just need Massage loving Mongers, to join the thread and post the good, bad and the ugly of their visits.
North County report on Ocean
I'll def repost in Oceanside reports but for those that venture north occasionally we have Zia and Relax for FS but no BBBJ for the appetizer disappoints. If you are looking for a new spot that has been off the radar, Ocean is not bad. 40/55 HF and I've had Eve (DATY / HE) $, Mia DD naturals that she will let you pullout and play with (with big fun nipples). 4 and last Saturday Lily hot body, nice massage (from all the girls) and she allowed kitty play OTC and a superior HE. 4.
Serenity-is its location really that bad?
[QUOTE=Ryan1979;5629443]Google "Magnolia Square" or "Carnival Market" on Ashford. It's on the end of that strip mall facing Beagle street[/QUOTE]After reading the reviews and comments about the location I had to go take a look. One day after I grabbed lunch at Home-style Hawaiian and knew it was a few blocks away I headed to see for myself what kind of neighborhood it was in.
It is tucked back out of the way so much it took me a few minutes searching in the little strip mall to find it. Looking at the store front it is so bland it would be easy to miss. Very stealthy front, you would never know if you didn't know.
True, it is in a somewhat older strip mall. True there are dumpsters just feet away from the front door. And yes people were sort of hanging around, but did anyone notice that the Alcoholics Anonymous meeting room was right next door?
I really hope the place was nicer on the inside because the outside is not very inviting with long dark drapes covering all the glass. Only the Serenity Stenciled sign helped me really locate it. I sat there in my car noticing the security cameras over the front door facing the parking lot in two directions. As I sat there checking messages on my phone for a few moments I was somewhat hoping a staff member would come out and try to entice me to come in so I could see some of the product. Didn't happen.
Lots of guys complain how busy the strip malls are at their favorite AMPs. This is one of the best secluded parking lots a monger could hope for. Unless you live in that neighborhood, nobody you know would ever be there. Even if by some odd fluke of nature, they were at the market, they would never be in this back corner. Even your car would not be viewable from the main business area. On top of that the other businesses were not busy and you could enter and leave with nobody the wiser.
If the product and service are good, this is a good place for those who need a discrete out of the way AMP to visit.
Unfortunately, I had other commitments and had to get moving along, otherwise I'll would have gone inside even if it was just to say hi.
