Seeking Arrangements (SA)

She gave me a shout out as well. I was using the same handle here and there, but I've changed that. Recommend the same to everyone else. Compartmentalize. It only takes a minute to change your SA handle, you don't have to start a new account. Someone made another really good suggestion, make your profile un-searchable and you really cut out most of the stupid stuff from overseas. Then as soon as you get a girl off the site, block her. Makes it tougher for her to burn you later.

[QUOTE=Otr1975;4772642]I never mentioned this site to her. . She was already on here and I guess some detail I gave in my review helped her figure out who I was. I don't really give a shit that she figured it out cause I'd never see her again, I was just trying to give my fellow mongers a wise heads up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LayenLow;4771452]This is ridiculous to say that because you can't find a true arrangement that they don't exist. I laugh at many guys on here who ***** and complain about having a hard time finding girls on the site to either do P4 P or have a lasting arrangement with. Yes they take time and money and yes there are fakes and scammers on the site, but most gals want to fulfill what the site is supposedly about.

LNL.[/QUOTE]I too have had luck with finding women for longer-term arrangements over the years (first on sugardaddyforme years ago).

But IMHO it has become more difficult as there are more scammers and professionals on SA than I recall from the past. You have to screen a lot to find a legit woman that is looking for longer-term and not just PPM or "send me money for naked photos" scam. Patience patience patience can lead to good results. I move a lot and find sites like SA help me cut through the BS of normal dating process that, by the way, also costs a lot of money and you never know how it will pan out or what the female's intentions are, good time, marriage, etc. When I meet with someone that is legit (longer-term arrangement) on SA we already have a basis on what is expected from each other, just need to fine-tune the details. I'm good with that and I like the ability to easily end the arrangement if either party is unhappy. A lot less drama!

Personal opinion: This time around I found a lot of females that just like all the attention they get from us but they seem to have no intention of ever meeting to progress further. Kind of like a sick social media thing just wanting attention.

[QUOTE=CaboJohn;4773937]Personal opinion: This time around I found a lot of females that just like all the attention they get from us but they seem to have no intention of ever meeting to progress further. Kind of like a sick social media thing just wanting attention.[/QUOTE]Buddy, you nailed it! That is exactly what I'm seeing now all over SA. And to elaborate on the point, I've tested a few girls that didn't want to meet and asked whether they did nudes (which I'm not even really interested in). Those same girls don't want to do even that. So what else is there? And it isn't simply a rare occurrence. It is now so frequent that I have recently blocked more than anything else.

Can someone confirm if I'm blocked or if she deactivated please?

[URL]www.seeking.com/member/a6cbed1b-9b81-4563-bad9-98822e312269[/URL]

[QUOTE=FireBall99;4775862]Can someone confirm if I'm blocked or if she deactivated please?

[URL]www.seeking.com/member/a6cbed1b-9b81-4563-bad9-98822e312269[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't see her either so probably deactivated.

Just a heads up to everyone, out of the blue Aking222 texted me claiming some long story and wanting $350. Doesn't want to meet up. But you know, if I send her the money we can meet tomorrow and start an arrangement. Another real "winner. ".

She contacted me today as well. Dam this sucks. I actually though she was really wanting to meet up but now I know what to expect. Disappointing.

Dj.

[QUOTE=BMWGuy;4777939]Just a heads up to everyone, out of the blue Aking222 texted me claiming some long story and wanting $350. Doesn't want to meet up. But you know, if I send her the money we can meet tomorrow and start an arrangement. Another real "winner. ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BMWGuy;4777939]Just a heads up to everyone, out of the blue Aking222 texted me claiming some long story and wanting $350. Doesn't want to meet up. But you know, if I send her the money we can meet tomorrow and start an arrangement. Another real "winner. ".[/QUOTE]I blocked her months ago.

[QUOTE=BMWGuy;4777939]Just a heads up to everyone, out of the blue Aking222 texted me claiming some long story and wanting $350. Doesn't want to meet up. But you know, if I send her the money we can meet tomorrow and start an arrangement. Another real "winner. ".[/QUOTE]She introduced her to me yesterday, I will be doing my first double this afternoon. Will post the dream sometime after I recover.

OG 11

SA just recently started offering the option for Diamond status to all new members. This is a big deal that should be brought to everyone's attention.

As some of you are aware, Diamond status was previously only available to members with at least two (2) months of Premium status; the option to "upgrade" (for $250 per month) suddenly appeared around the time of renewal for the third month. For those of you who are not aware, supposedly Diamond status attracts more women to your profile and essentially promotes you as being "the real deal. " (Disclaimer: I have not personally tried it; and, in my opinion, the price is absurd.).

On the surface this change may seem unimportant; but, the sheer fact that SA's most "elite" status is now immediately available is very concerning:

(1) This change directly contradicts everything that SA promotes. Not only does SA advertise and encourage safety (I. E, verifying photos, Facebook, etc.), but Diamond status is specifically promoted as:

"SA verifies the profile claims of Sugar Daddies who wish to enter our Diamond Club. All Sugar Babies can relax in the knowledge that these Daddies are the real deal. Diamond Club members must have their income and identity verified. " (Source: [URL]https://blog.seeking.com/2014/11/04/standard-premium-diamond-membership-whats-difference[/URL]#gref).

While SA has never actually verified prospective Diamond members, the reason that the option to upgrade became only available on the third month of Premium membership was because the first two months were essentially "probationary" and self-demonstrating.

(2) This change indicates SA's sudden concern for increased revenue. Now that Diamond status is immediately available, SA's true motivation for profits rather than safety (which of course has long been known) becomes clear. But why now? Logical, it appears that SA is hurting financially, possibly from the increase in fake accounts and scammers we have recently discussed. But, instead of addressing those problems, SA is focused on finding money elsewhere; which means that the scammers and problems we've seen recently will not only continue but likely increase.

(3) This change may indicate a hidden / real membership cost. Over the years I have had several accounts, through which I've noticed that SA appears to be programmed to manipulate memberships and income. Notwithstanding the obvious, that Standard members cannot send or receive messages, I have found that it is noticeably easier to illicit responses and meet women between certain weeks of having a Premium membership. For example, historically during the first week there typically isn't much action; in weeks two and three it suddenly skyrockets with steady responses until week six; but, around month three --when the option to upgrade to Diamond becomes available-- responses suddenly decline. If my observations are correct (and I would love to have input), SA might be nonchalantly suggesting that the real price of membership is the $250 per month Diamond status -- that, in effort to avoid the scammers and such, that's the hidden fee.

Been out of the game a few years and decided to cast my line into the SA hole. This one messaged me [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7023971a-7054-443b-94b3-007fc7f176b8[/URL] and I gave her my burner number. She started out wanting 3 bills, told her no, then she said 2 bills told her I would do 1 1/2 said she couldn't host and would have to pick her up. We agreed I would pick her up and go to my place, and I told her I lived an hour away. She said she was good with that, 10 minutes before I am to arrive she says she is not comfortable being an hour away and could we get a hotel with part of the donation. Told her I wasn't comfortable with that, then she offers to have a car date at her apartment complex, that it was dark there and no one would know. Informed her I wasn't doing a car date at her front door. Meantime I'm sitting in a parking lot less than a mile away texting with her about this. Texted her back that this wan't our original agreement and I was leaving, she returns with ok I will go to your place. Told her I was already back on the road going home. You can guess the rest of the story with her going off on me. Now she might be perfect for someone near North Knox as we all know YMMV.

[QUOTE=BMWGuy;4778627]SA just recently started offering the option for Diamond status to all new members. This is a big deal that should be brought to everyone's attention.

<snip>If my observations are correct (and I would love to have input), SA might be nonchalantly suggesting that the real price of membership is the $250 per month Diamond status -- that, in effort to avoid the scammers and such, that's the hidden fee.[/QUOTE]Sometimes our purpose in an endeavor is to be an example to others of WHAT NOT TO DO; let me be that example to the brethren with this post. To date, I've paid $9,460 to SA in membership fees (not done paying yet), of which I've been a Diamond Member on three occasions. I was a Diamond Member when traveling extensively in the Midwest, The Rockies, and The West Coast for training, and some women exclusively see Diamond Members. I figured that since I was in those areas and couldn't necessarily trust the boards, I'd cross my fingers and let SA handle that for me. I'm listed in multiple cities and the tertiary listing is always the next city for which I'll be traveling.

FOSTA and SESTA put a dagger into the SA business model in terms of liability potential; any of you attorney's out there can speak to that as it's outside my wheelhouse. SA works closely with law enforcement to hand over any information requested, often unsolicited, for those who report infractions as well as those accused of committing infractions. AI is used to scour private messages for language that could even be remotely interpreted as pay for meet. I've had my account suspended before because the AI noticed a message in my Inbox with PPM language, but it was from a gal on SA and not from me; they still suspended my account. I appealed the decision and was granted access; I've maintained the same account, but changed the handle a few times. I stopped purchasing multiple months as a result of that that because you'd forfeit the remaining months. I received notice that my background check had expired after 6 months and found out that they had changed background check. If the women don't have a free account, it costs them less than $20/ month for premium.
This is the type of messages that I've been getting lately, the only change is the number, but I get hundreds of these (they should be blocked by the system):

[I]Hey there, Okay i am gonna be blunt and honest, I am on here seeking a sugar daddy for PPM and i assure you i would make every cent you spend worth it. If you are interested, Shoot me a text at 209******..Maybe we could work out an arrangement.[/I]

I get bombarded with suggestions to buy items off of the Gift Lists to break the ice. All of this makes SA seem desperate to recoup some of the money they must be bleeding, likely a substantial amount going into their legal defense fund and they are probably lobbying a bit too. I keep thinking that SA is an Ashley Madison hack situation waiting to happen, but like clockwork despite that, I keep renewing my membership month after month. It's still my go-to for finding providers as it meets my tolerance for risk appropriately and provides the variety and price per time segment that is virtually unbeatable.

Happy hunting,. ,. ,

Milfman.

You raise interesting points. I assume their memberships (paying males) which is their revenue stream has taken a hit this year. Notice that they ran 2 promo's this year with a discounted fee available (my 10 years on there never saw it before). Because of covid and the abundant increase in fakes, scammers, pic sellers, online and platonic I find myself renewing less frequently and living off the regulars I acquired and working sources like Tinder and Bumble. Way back when when I started using it a 100 mile radius search yielded about 4,500 girls, in my area it now exceeds 10,000. They are not concerned about the girls profiles with the exception of underage and blatant prostitution. They need the member count of young attractive girls to be as high as possible to attract the revenue stream (us). It has become so main stream now you can ask practically any girl and she probably knows about it or has heard of it thru a friend. They require no identification or payment to join and run a profile (either legit or scam), just a fake email. That's why you see scammers reported and banned, yet have a new free profile up and running in less than 12 hours. The scammers, feet pic sellers, online only etc is going to continue and it's never going away because they need as many girls on the site as possible. When you see consumers like us renewing less and doing charge backs with our credit card companies because they were banned unwarranted without a refund, maybe they may change their polices but I doubt it.

[QUOTE=BMWGuy;4778627]SA just recently started offering the option for Diamond status to all new members. This is a big deal that should be brought to everyone's attention.

As some of you are aware, Diamond status was previously only available to members with at least two (2) months of Premium status; the option to "upgrade" (for $250 per month) suddenly appeared around the time of renewal for the third month. For those of you who are not aware, supposedly Diamond status attracts more women to your profile and essentially promotes you as being "the real deal. " (Disclaimer: I have not personally tried it; and, in my opinion, the price is absurd.).

On the surface this change may seem unimportant; but, the sheer fact that SA's most "elite" status is now immediately available is very concerning:

(1) This change directly contradicts everything that SA promotes. Not only does SA advertise and encourage safety (I. E, verifying photos, Facebook, etc.), but Diamond status is specifically promoted as:

"SA verifies the profile claims of Sugar Daddies who wish to enter our Diamond Club. All Sugar Babies can relax in the knowledge that these Daddies are the real deal. Diamond Club members must have their income and identity verified. " (Source: [URL]https://blog.seeking.com/2014/11/04/standard-premium-diamond-membership-whats-difference[/URL]#gref).

While SA has never actually verified prospective Diamond members, the reason that the option to upgrade became only available on the third month of Premium membership was because the first two months were essentially "probationary" and self-demonstrating.

(2) This change indicates SA's sudden concern for increased revenue. Now that Diamond status is immediately available, SA's true motivation for profits rather than safety (which of course has long been known) becomes clear. But why now? Logical, it appears that SA is hurting financially, possibly from the increase in fake accounts and scammers we have recently discussed. But, instead of addressing those problems, SA is focused on finding money elsewhere; which means that the scammers and problems we've seen recently will not only continue but likely increase.

(3) This change may indicate a hidden / real membership cost. Over the years I have had several accounts, through which I've noticed that SA appears to be programmed to manipulate memberships and income. Notwithstanding the obvious, that Standard members cannot send or receive messages, I have found that it is noticeably easier to illicit responses and meet women between certain weeks of having a Premium membership. For example, historically during the first week there typically isn't much action; in weeks two and three it suddenly skyrockets with steady responses until week six; but, around month three --when the option to upgrade to Diamond becomes available-- responses suddenly decline. If my observations are correct (and I would love to have input), SA might be nonchalantly suggesting that the real price of membership is the $250 per month Diamond status -- that, in effort to avoid the scammers and such, that's the hidden fee.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldGeezer11;4778522]She introduced her to me yesterday, I will be doing my first double this afternoon. Will post the dream sometime after I recover.

OG 11[/QUOTE]Let us k ow how it goes!

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4779771]You raise interesting points.[/QUOTE]This is an excellent read that I found last night: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/gg5qo9/why_sa_sucks_but_is_still_better_than_all/[/URL].