Massage Parlor Reports Only Seniors with more than 50 posts

[QUOTE=JonDoe19;7644311]Was taken in by Julie last night, she asked if I wanted a shower I said yes, she gave me a towel and she stripped right then and there and took her towel and lead me to the table shower. There I laid down and she gave a great cleaning. Some body slide while I was on my front and on the flip. She gave me a BBBJ in the shower, Jeez can this girl suck a dick. She throated me no problem which isn't something all girls can do. She finished up the shower then dried off and headed back to the room where she had me lay down and she went straight to town again with another BBBJ. I had to slow her down as she was doing such a good job. On came the Hat and she began to ride, then we switched to doggy and as I was close I went back to BBBJ & finished with a CIM.[/QUOTE]How much was the service?

30 minutes was. 6 house and I tipped her 160.

[QUOTE=ManyAmp;7644405]How much was the service?[/QUOTE]

Asian Girl. Dressed like a college kid. Lots of Energy.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;7643250]Are they asian or latina?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JonDoe19;7644427]30 minutes was. 6 house and I tipped her 160.[/QUOTE]Excellent price. Thanks.

[QUOTE=HermosaSurfer2;7643567]Guys thank you for running herd on this thing. I'd been just about to stop at NN or and+ on my way through town but then saw this whole issue of shills start popping up and figured it just wasnt' worth the disappointment in the middle of a long drive.

I'm happy to see that the Admin is cracking down on this as well.

Maybe in a few weeks there will be reviews that can be counted on.[/QUOTE]Never been to and+ or however you want to call it. My one NN visit (long time ago) was meh. At the time, the reviews were hyping up this one particular girl. And of course I was curious since I've never been. Total non-GFE (hyped GFE) table shower upsell (again TS was meh) standard service and rushed. But hey it could be just a one off thing.

Anyway, always check past posts even if it's coming from a senior. History will tell you everything you need to know. Especially if most 99% posts are one particular AMP.

[QUOTE=WhiteSun777;7644566]Never been to and+ or however you want to call it. My one NN visit (long time ago) was meh. At the time, the reviews were hyping up this one particular girl. And of course I was curious since I've never been. Total non-GFE (hyped GFE) table shower upsell (again TS was meh) standard service and rushed. But hey it could be just a one off thing.

Anyway, always check past posts even if it's coming from a senior. History will tell you everything you need to know. Especially if most 99% posts are one particular AMP.[/QUOTE]Not sure who you were with. I've seen Julie 4 times. Every time it's been total GFE for me. Of course YMMV.

[QUOTE=CalJammer;7640258]2 F Sunflower on Decatur and Sahara is staffed by one provider who operates via a translation device and is rather matronly in appearance. My desire to have a massage from her is below zero.

I think the NN operators control this place.

I will check it from time to time as I like the private access location, but until there is a mildly attractive provider I shall not cross the threshold.[/QUOTE]Same, I do like the location as it's on the 2nd floor. Not sure why I got a text from them recently but just an address and it's not like they changed location. So I find it kind of pointless.

Thank you for the report.

[QUOTE=ChineseLuver;7644734]Not sure who you were with. I've seen Julie 4 times. Every time it's been total GFE for me. Of course YMMV.[/QUOTE]No one recent as I've mentioned this was someone long time ago. Yup definitely YMMV I guess I always run into bad luck! Tried to give them a second shot but parking is always a pain there so fuck it.

[QUOTE=Jaguar300ZX;7644218]A quick google ph# search resulted in a RubRankings match to one of several Ph#'s that Life River Spa on South Maryland Pkwy uses.[/QUOTE]The address they gave me was for life river. Seems like an easy skip based on other reports.

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The spirit of the rule is that people with less than 50 posts DON'T FUCKING POST ON THIS THREAD.

I know you think you have special powers because you have been lurking for ten years but you don't. Become a senior, have 50 posts, become a part of this instead of a spectator then you can sit at the big boys table.

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[QUOTE=Lolimo;7645009]I am not a senior member but I think the spirit of the rule is to prevent spam reviews. Hopefully it's avoid I'm a real person and have no agenda, and therefore don't get banned for this.
My experience at NNSpa was absolutely atrocious compared to expectation from previous reviews. I was instantly upsold. I was rushed from the very beginning and despite giving the girl 280 bucks a as told it was only worth 30 minutes and a HJ. I pushed back via the translator app and got her up to BJc but given she already had my cash wasn't in a position of leverage. I thought, not the end of the world, but then somehow she gave me a 3 minute massage and then abruptly grabbed some oil and began jackhammering my flaccid dick. Somehow I eventually got hard despite the least sexy experience of my life unfolding. I asked her what her no was and she said "no English" despite probably knowing what I was asking.
I couldn't advise against this place any stronger. Awful experience.[/QUOTE]Cool story bro, and thanks for TOFTT. Your post highlights some very important issues.

First, Don't Pre-Pay. A lot of Shill reports that have integrated into these forums have been attempting to condition us mongers into pre-paying, . And this is very wrong. When you hand over your House Fee and Extra Tip money all at once then you've completely lost all negotiating leverage, and now you're at the whims of whatever they want to do. There's an expression in Mexico; "Un Mariachi pagado toca mal son" Translation; "A pre-paid Musician plays poorly".

As a monger you should take advantage of the two part payment plan, the House Fee gets you in the door, and the Extra Tip is for further negotiations, Quid-pro-Quo (This for That) We need to better utilize our negotiations skills for better service, or we will just get taken advantage of again and again. -I always negotiate!!

Second, Get her Name, this is important if you want to report here in the USASG forums, they use fake names anyway, so it's already difficult to I'd a provider, but in the short lived time between provider rotations, that information is very valuable to the rest of us.

Third, Language Barrier, Yup this is a Red Flag, if the provider claims "No English" that's a Lie, because as soon as you start discussing 'Money' you will soon see how fluent she suddenly becomes.

It's also extremely useful to learn some basic Mandarin Phrases, simple greetings such as; "My name is John, -What is your name?" ("Wǒ jiào John, -andǐ jiào shénme míngzì? This way, you can get her name, and also hint to the idea that you understand some Mandarin, which might make them hesitate to scam you.

Fourth, if the massage is going bad, don't be afraid to get up and walk out. (Cut Bait and Run)(Vote with your Feet).

Your money is gone at this point and if you're not getting what you negotiated for, then showing them that you're dissatisfied has more of an impact than accepting a lousy HJ, or causing any drama. That's because they know dissatisfied customers will complain -On The Internet! -and that's bad for business.

Now for the bad news, sorry to say this, but 'Rules are Rules' and you've posted in an Admin Restricted Forum that requires a 50-post forum history, so I got to report it. But hopefully your words can live on in the dialog box to my reply.

They were or are related to NN SPA on Decatur. I stopped by the other day and a younger girl with long brown hair was working. 60 half hf, $80 hour.

[QUOTE=WhiteSun777;7644742]Same, I do like the location as it's on the 2nd floor. Not sure why I got a text from them recently but just an address and it's not like they changed location. So I find it kind of pointless.

Thank you for the report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lolimo;7645009]I am not a senior member but I think the spirit of the rule is to prevent spam reviews. Hopefully it's avoid I'm a real person and have no agenda, and therefore don't get banned for this.

My experience at NNSpa was absolutely atrocious compared to expectation from previous reviews. I was instantly upsold. I was rushed from the very beginning and despite giving the girl 280 bucks a as told it was only worth 30 minutes and a HJ. I pushed back via the translator app and got her up to BJc but given she already had my cash wasn't in a position of leverage. I thought, not the end of the world, but then somehow she gave me a 3 minute massage and then abruptly grabbed some oil and began jackhammering my flaccid dick. Somehow I eventually got hard despite the least sexy experience of my life unfolding. I asked her what her no was and she said "no English" despite probably knowing what I was asking.

I couldn't advise against this place any stronger. Awful experience.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report, you seem like a real person with no agenda. I mean your last post was about 3 years ago. I'm sure you didn't create it back then just to be able to submit this report about NN now.

And why am I not surprised about your experience? There's just way too many hyped up reviews. This sounds like a rip off joint, am I reading this right? 280 for BJ?

Definitely don't rush giving up your money up front. Usually pay the house fee first even if it's FS joint. Just in case not feeling the vibe you can still walk out without getting extra.

Are you sure you went to the right place? Who did you see? No one had this experience before LOL I think you went to the wrong location, there are two spas in the same plaza.

[QUOTE=Lolimo;7645009]I am not a senior member but I think the spirit of the rule is to prevent spam reviews. Hopefully it's avoid I'm a real person and have no agenda, and therefore don't get banned for this.

My experience at NNSpa was absolutely atrocious compared to expectation from previous reviews. I was instantly upsold. I was rushed from the very beginning and despite giving the girl 280 bucks a as told it was only worth 30 minutes and a HJ. I pushed back via the translator app and got her up to BJc but given she already had my cash wasn't in a position of leverage. I thought, not the end of the world, but then somehow she gave me a 3 minute massage and then abruptly grabbed some oil and began jackhammering my flaccid dick. Somehow I eventually got hard despite the least sexy experience of my life unfolding. I asked her what her no was and she said "no English" despite probably knowing what I was asking.

I couldn't advise against this place any stronger. Awful experience.[/QUOTE].

Same, I always had great experiences there over the years. I text them before I get there and they always know what I like and don't like. I think mamasan told them how I want to be treated.

[QUOTE=ChineseLuver;7644734]Not sure who you were with. I've seen Julie 4 times. Every time it's been total GFE for me. Of course YMMV.[/QUOTE]

I think spas are like restaurants, just because you didn't like one or two dishes in that place doesn't mean the whole menu is bad. They change girls every month I'm sure you will find one you like.

[QUOTE=WhiteSun777;7644744]No one recent as I've mentioned this was someone long time ago. Yup definitely YMMV I guess I always run into bad luck! Tried to give them a second shot but parking is always a pain there so fuck it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LvStory84;7645595]I think spas are like restaurants, just because you didn't like one or two dishes in that place doesn't mean the whole menu is bad. They change girls every month I'm sure you will find one you like.[/QUOTE]Interesting analogy. If I have a bad experience at a restaurant, service or foodwise, I generally don't go back. Ever.

[QUOTE=LvStory84;7645595]I think spas are like restaurants, just because you didn't like one or two dishes in that place doesn't mean the whole menu is bad. They change girls every month I'm sure you will find one you like.[/QUOTE]If the dishes aren't 200-300 a pop, I may go back and try another dish.

[QUOTE=ILoveGfe;7645583]Same, I always had great experiences there over the years. I text them before I get there and they always know what I like and don't like. I think mamasan told them how I want to be treated.[/QUOTE]Had no idea there's even a mamasan there! Was she on break when I got there? LOL.

[QUOTE=LvStory84;7645579]Are you sure you went to the right place? Who did you see? No one had this experience before LOL I think you went to the wrong location, there are two spas in the same plaza.

.[/QUOTE]I find it hard (no pun intended) to believe he went to the wrong spot. NN is right next to AYCE joint. The other place is clearly marked as LV Shiatsu. I mean unless he was high as a kite.

[QUOTE=WhiteSun777;7645879]If the dishes aren't 200-300 a pop, I may go back and try another dish.

Had no idea there's even a mamasan there! Was she on break when I got there? LOL.

I find it hard (no pun intended) to believe he went to the wrong spot. NN is right next to AYCE joint. The other place is clearly marked as LV Shiatsu. I mean unless he was high as a kite.[/QUOTE]If you do go to NN Spa ask to see Julie.

[QUOTE=WhiteSun777;7645515]Thank you for the report, you seem like a real person with no agenda. I mean your last post was about 3 years ago. I'm sure you didn't create it back then just to be able to submit this report about NN now.

And why am I not surprised about your experience? There's just way too many hyped up reviews. This sounds like a rip off joint, am I reading this right? 280 for BJ?

Definitely don't rush giving up your money up front. Usually pay the house fee first even if it's FS joint. Just in case not feeling the vibe you can still walk out without getting extra.[/QUOTE]1.) it's posted in the senior member board. Not sure how it even made it past admin.

2.) Every girl knows how to answer what's your name. The fact he's coming on here making a negative reviews without that information is a red flag to me.

3.) I've posted several times in this. When I'm in Vegas I've been fortunate enough to see Julie every time. I did see another girl the first time I went to see Julie but she was busy. She wasn't bad but she wasn't Julie.

[QUOTE=Chuck4;7642821]Went mongering and found the new spa at Spring Mountain and Arville (LV Beauty Spa) 2nd floor. She is going to separate you from your money and work you to death. Bring lots of energy. Girl was about 62 inches or so and said all the right things. You know they are bs'ing you, but she made it all seem so real. But trust me on the energy level.

60 hf hour, $70 45 minute and $80 for the hour.[/QUOTE]I went to this location and there are three parlors on the second floor. I forgot the name in your review and went to Spring Spa. I was asked whether I wanted a male or female masseuse! I had a 100% legit massage in a place with curtains dividing each space, and there was an open area for relaxing on massage chairs. It was a totally regular places - $40 for a massage.

Oh well!

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[QUOTE=CalJammer;7646059]I went to this location and there are three parlors on the second floor. I forgot the name in your review and went to Spring Spa. I was asked whether I wanted a male or female masseuse! I had a 100% legit massage in a place with curtains dividing each space, and there was an open area for relaxing on massage chairs. It was a totally regular places - $40 for a massage.

Oh well![/QUOTE]I see what you mean. Looks like LV Beauty #203 is next to that foot spa. I'm shocked you didn't walk out when they offer you sex choice of your masseuse. Hope it was at least good legit massage!

[QUOTE=WhiteSun777;7646142]I see what you mean. Looks like LV Beauty #203 is next to that foot spa. I'm shocked you didn't walk out when they offer you sex choice of your masseuse. Hope it was at least good legit massage![/QUOTE]Honestly, the massage was so good, it got me thinking that this followed by self service could be a better way!

My girl reminded me of a college girl with lots of energy. There are older masseuses and not that great looking to the west (next door). But she was not a dude or transgender.

[QUOTE=WhiteSun777;7646142]I see what you mean. Looks like LV Beauty #203 is next to that foot spa. I'm shocked you didn't walk out when they offer you sex choice of your masseuse. Hope it was at least good legit massage![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chuck4;7646888]My girl reminded me of a college girl with lots of energy. There are older masseuses and not that great looking to the west (next door). But she was not a dude or transgender.[/QUOTE]Lmao no one said yours was but that's good to know. There's 3 spas there and he went to the wrong one where they offered male or female masseuse.

[QUOTE=CalJammer;7646781]Honestly, the massage was so good, it got me thinking that this followed by self service could be a better way![/QUOTE]Wow for 40 bucks and good massage is good deal. I assumed this was just for 15 minutes? Seems fairly cheap for 30 minutes.

I say next time, get the legit massage then walk over to LV Beauty and get your service on.

Some updates:

- Spring was $40 for 30 minutes and I tipped $20. As noted a very good massage.

- Made it to LV Beauty and got FeyFey. Older lady with malodorous breath and dry skin, but OK rack and somewhat pretty face. Another excellent massage, almost up there with Spring. Jackhammer action. Not for me, but I think she will suite some tastes.

I guess I will try the 3rd parlor on that row next.

[QUOTE=CalJammer;7647349]Some updates:

- Spring was $40 for 30 minutes and I tipped $20. As noted a very good massage.

- Made it to LV Beauty and got FeyFey. Older lady with malodorous breath and dry skin, but OK rack and somewhat pretty face. Another excellent massage, almost up there with Spring. Jackhammer action. Not for me, but I think she will suite some tastes.

I guess I will try the 3rd parlor on that row next.[/QUOTE]Thank you for checking out Beauty and reporting it. Oh no! Not the Jackhammer and malodorous breath! I wonder if the college girl went back to college?

Maybe 3rd time is the charm! Good luck!

You went with a guy at a massage parlor and then a older girl. Try the young college girl that works night.

[QUOTE=WhiteSun777;7647664]Thank you for checking out Beauty and reporting it. Oh no! Not the Jackhammer and malodorous breath! I wonder if the college girl went back to college?

Maybe 3rd time is the charm! Good luck![/QUOTE]

Saw quite a few going in and out of this establishment. Is the selection this week that good or more just people trying to cum in or on avaliable ******?

In town for a few days and quickly grew tired of the strip so I hopped in my car to get away and cruise around. Nothing but losses at the slots and tables so far so was hoping my luck would turn around at my next stop New Lavender. Went in and drew Zoe. She is mid to late 20's, probably under 5 ft, less than 100 pounds, long flowing black hair past her shoulders with D cups that contrast very nicely to her small frame.

Once we got into the room, she playfully poked a spot in my cheek saying she likes my dimples. Flattery got her very far with me LOL. After taking care of the tip, she had me undress while she got the table shower ready. When she came back to get me, she was gently smacking and grabbing my butt on the way to the TS. Did a quick TS and enjoyed some b2 b and some lfk to get me warmed up. Back to the room we quickly dropped our towels and went right at it with dfk. Then started kissing my neck and progressed down to my nipples. She started with gently sucking on them and noticed how much I enjoyed it and gradually increased the pressure with the right amount of teeth until I was rock hard. Zoe then dropped to her knees and proceeded to give a BBBJ. I just let her do her thing as I enjoyed. After a while, I felt a slight tooth drag as she was trying to take me deep and took that as a sign to move onto the FS. Covered up and jumped on rcg. Had her grind away until she spun around acg. There I got to admire her beauty as she pumped away. Remembering how much I like her nipple work on me, she bent over to once again suck on my nips to help keep me primed to continue. We switched to mish with more dfk. I told her I was close and she got up to rip off the cover so I could cim. Afterwards, she hopped off the table to spit and clean me up. Got dressed and walked out with a bottle of water. On the way out, I saw Lucy who looked very good as well. Might have to come back to check her out the next time I get tired of the strip.

[QUOTE=PoonWrangler84;7648023]Saw quite a few going in and out of this establishment. Is the selection this week that good or more just people trying to cum in or on avaliable ******?[/QUOTE]Probably got the Bill Belichick seal of approval.

Julie is always a good time, she takes her time with you and you get all your moneys worth with her.

[QUOTE=ChineseLuver;7641836]In town for a few days and decided to stop by NN Spa to see my go to girl (Julie) when in Vegas. I met her here in March and she let me know when she's in town for June. Gives me a reason to head to Vegas for a few days. Julie's not your shorter petite Asian she's taller than most. She has a great body and she loves to fuck. When we got in the room we started with a long make out session, she definitely likes to kiss. We started taking each other's clothes off and she started sucking my nipples and put her hand around my cock and started slowly stroking it. She started to drop down, but I pulled her up and had her sit on the corner of the table so I could do some DATY. I slowly licked her sweet pussy and she started with the soft moans. When I could tell she was getting close I started digging my tongue deep inside her and this is where she started grinding my face and tongue. She wrapped her long legs around my head and started grabbing my head until she had an orgasm. I kissed my way up to her for some more kissing until she had me roll over for her to return the favor. She has skills but for me the way she looks up at you with her big dark eyes while sucking your cock always wants to send me over the edge. Normally she is the one who will say I want you to Fuck me but today I couldn't wait. I told her I wanted her and she jumped up grabbed the condom. I bent her over the table for a little doggie action for a little bit. When I was getting close I had her lay on the corner of the table for some standing missionary. We started off with slow long strokes. When we started to get in a good rhythm I put my hands around her thighs to give her hard deep strokes. She was loving it and getting very vocal telling me to fuck her baby while reaching up playing with my nipples. I told her I wanted to CIM so I could watch her look up at me while taking it all in. She made sure to keep sucking until every last drop was out. I'm not that familiar with any other Spas or girls in Vegas but for me I don't need to try other girls or places!

On the way out I got to Meet Mimi. She's short petite with long brown hair. Very easy on the eyes.[/QUOTE]

In a battle between the two, who wins? NN sounds like a go mostly for Judy only. People view Ki as a legit spa though their non-massage services are just for fluff.

[QUOTE=Rustys;7648901]In a battle between the two, who wins? NN sounds like a go mostly for Judy only. People view Ki as a legit spa though their non-massage services are just for fluff.[/QUOTE]If you're referring to Ki on Maryland. It sucks and not in a good way. The place is nice, the older lady is sexy but she was on the phone like 5 x. No joke. Didn't want to do anything with her at the end. She offered over priced BJ for 200 yeah not happening. I ended up offering 60 for HE didn't expect her to take it as I did an hour. And the kicker is she gave me extra 5 minutes massage time to make up for the calls. What a joke!

Oh my way out I saw another older lady (not attractive at all. I would walk out if she was the one greeted me).

Continuing my vacation in Vegas. My luck at the slots and tables still have not got any better. After having lunch, I decided to drown my sorrows at Oasis LV on Flamingo. Arrived and was greeted by Kiki. Cute girl with a friendly smile, a little over 5 ft, dark hair past the shoulders with C cups. Got the GND vibe with her.

Got to the room and she wrapped her arms around me and started kissing. She's a good kisser. Asked for the TS. She smiled to go get it ready. Got undressed and in my towel and led to the TS. Gave my back, ass, and legs a good scrubbing then jumped on to b2 b up and down my backside. Turned over and it was more of the same, scrubbing and b2 b. She slid up again to lfk me some more. Then slid back down to give me a preview BBBJ. Back to the room, she had me on the table where she started up another BBBJ and without stopping it, maneuvered her way to 69. I daty while she worked on my cock for a while. When she saw I was ready for the main event, she rolled on the cover and jumped on rcg. Held onto her hips as she pumped me and moaned. She then turned to acg where she was making skin slapping noises loud enough to be heard into the hallway until she bent down to dfk and I was holding her tightly while she moaned through the kissing as I continued to fuck her. When we broke the kiss I decided to change positions and told her to hang on. I picked her up while getting to my feet, fucked her a little more while I held her and gently put her down for standing mish. I then proceeded to let her have it until she came after a few minutes. By this time, she was out of breath and told me to lay down. She finished me off with another BBBJ and cim. I was thinking hopefully the 3 BBBJ's that I got from her will give me some good luck LOL. After that, she went off to spit and came back with a hot towel clean up. Got dressed and got my bottle of water to go back to the strip to hopefully recoup some losses.

One of my favorites is back in town, at former Energy Spa on spring mountain between rainbow and jones. Cici is the provider, I've seen her previously at Garden spas and Vegas spa recently. She provides great service, BBBJ and cfs, I've paid $$ for hhr. YMMV though, I will pay that up front with no issues later, same price as I've paid at gardens.

Give Julie a try if you like taller and fit girls. I won't say she is that tall probably around 5'8 or 9. But she does don't pretty much every you want.

[QUOTE=Rustys;7648901]In a battle between the two, who wins? NN sounds like a go mostly for Judy only. People view Ki as a legit spa though their non-massage services are just for fluff.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking about visiting NN, as it's been a while. Looking at reports, I see that Julie is too tall for me. I see there is another there named Judy? I was just wondering if anyone knows for sure that it's not the same one? Is there a Julie and a Judy there? Maybe Judy would be more my size? Anyone know?

[QUOTE=Doof808;7653079]I was thinking about visiting NN, as it's been a while. Looking at reports, I see that Julie is too tall for me. I see there is another there named Judy? I was just wondering if anyone knows for sure that it's not the same one? Is there a Julie and a Judy there? Maybe Judy would be more my size? Anyone know?[/QUOTE]I believe they're 2 different persons as Judy's description don't fit Julie. See below.

A lot of talk about Julie but not a lot on Judy, I dug up these from July 2025, no mention of height.

[QUOTE=MaskedPeter;7338661]I love big breasts women. Judy is my style. Big C cups / D cups breasts. Saw her last night at NN spa. I just kept kissing, lucking, squeezing her entire breasts while I was pounding her. That was so much fun. I couldn't hold it anymore. Had to release in the cover earlier than my usual. I kissed her breasts again until my time was up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JonDoe19;7343802]Judy is all natural, big big tits LOL. She is really good at pleasing men, CIM is while playing with her tits is great.[/QUOTE]