I have been trying to reach out to my sugarbabe from Richmond. I couldn't find her on SA. She goes by the name of Natalia. About 24 years. I met her twice and lost her number. If anyone has access to her digits, please PM me.
Thanks in advance!
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I have been trying to reach out to my sugarbabe from Richmond. I couldn't find her on SA. She goes by the name of Natalia. About 24 years. I met her twice and lost her number. If anyone has access to her digits, please PM me.
Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3949542]I can't figure out how to do a direct quote from my earlier post, but my cut and paste is:
"I *never* have the burner inside my house. ".
Perhaps I should have said that I never have it on at home. I turn it off in a strip mall parking lot 5 minutes from home and stash it. I am not 100% sure about the GPS, anytime I am given the option to provide location services, I decline. Like I said, I think I have excellent operational security with this system. I don't think google is going to try to blackmail me with the fact that I have been on certain sites or whatever. Likewise, I am sure the NSA could figure out who I am based on some kind of chink in the armor, but SBs can't, and that's who I am protecting my identity from.
If you have a method that is superior to what I have laid out, please, let us all in on it.[/QUOTE]Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.
Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3951322]Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.
Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.[/QUOTE]Your situation regarding the SO is good, but you still want to be careful. Recall the Ashley Madison hack, where millions of email addresses were released to the world, in an easily searchable form. I don't recall if that included the IP address the login came from, but you can see why that would be a problem for some (attack by the enterprising identify theif / extortionist). I was contacted at an email address I used on AM with a threat that if I didn't pay $100 my identity would be shared w / everyone on social media. That is one of the reason I use a secure browser on seeking. I also don't have my real photos on the site. I recall in the old days, seeking required a Captcha for every log in, which while a pain, made me feel better about site security. I didn't want my profile photos on google image search.
I should also say I was meeting up w / a POT who was a hot 30's married MILF. She foolishly left the SA app running on her iPhone and fell asleep. Her suspicious hubby used her finger to unlock her iPhone and saw messages from me on seeking. He sent me threatening messages (of course, I had good opsec, so they were pretty empty) and changed her profile to all kinds of defamatory things (that she had STDs, for example). SO, a fingerprint scanner still isn't perfect.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3946938]I have a regular SB, tall volleyball player, mid-20's, flawless body, daddy issues. I hadn't seen her in a year+ and got back in touch. She hadn't been on SA for all that time. I asked before the first time back in the FC if she wanted me to bring anything, expecting her to ask for some toy or alcohol, she comes back w / flowers. I got her a simple grocery store bouquet, and she continues to talk about it a week+ after the FC. Sometimes, these girls do really just want to feel like they matter to someone, even though they also want to f** like bunnies and receive their allowance. FFA.[/QUOTE]Buy one a dress and see what happens. Just a cheap sundress, and they go nuts. "no man has ever bought me a dress" I have done this 3 times and all 3 times I got the holy living shit fucked out of me as a thank you. All for a $50 dress. It is not like it is rocket science to figure out their size, yet the "boyfriend", "husband" etc never seem to figure it out.
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3951322]Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.
Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.[/QUOTE]How would someone know you are calling from a phone app?
[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3951373]Buy one a dress and see what happens. Just a cheap sundress, and they go nuts. "no man has ever bought me a dress" I have done this 3 times and all 3 times I got the holy living shit fucked out of me as a thank you. All for a $50 dress. It is not like it is rocket science to figure out their size, yet the "boyfriend", "husband" etc never seem to figure it out.[/QUOTE]I bought a girl a dress and a fairly inexpensive necklace once, and holy shit! You'd have thought she hit the lottery or something.
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3951322]Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.
Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.[/QUOTE]I'm a bit more careful on my laptop etc, but for an alternative to GV I use [URL=https://mysudo.com/]MySudo[/URL]. I like it better than GV and they have zero knowledge of your phone number or messages, etc. Not free, but if you're willing to spend $90 a month to chase [I]hookers-that-don't-think-they're-hookers[/I] on a website, a few bucks for opsec shouldn't bother you.
I just noticed the profile text search is back working again. They also added to the desktop version a bar to type your message right there at the top of the profile page. Kind of handy if you need to refer to her info while messaging.
[QUOTE=OriolesMagic;3951407]How would someone know you are calling from a phone app?[/QUOTE]I've been told but haven't verified that some of the VOIP services report that it's a GV or other app number in the caller ID when a name isn't available. These days, most of the number-lookup services (whitepages, whocalld, etc.) will tell you whether a number is landline, VOIP or app based (that info may require a subscription. For me, the 2 bucks a month for a whitepages account is well worth it.).
As reported in one of the other threads here earlier, there's a fairly well-known local mid-30's provider that refuses any call or text that's from an app. And she uses a VOIP service on top of her cell for her business. Obviously her opsec is more important to her than are her clients, which is why I've never used her. But more and more women seem to be picking up on how to secure themselves in this manner.
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Echoing the impact of a $50 dress.
Most sugarbabies are looking to live beyond their means -- but usually blow their allowances on a night of partying if they don't have any overdue bills or unexpected car repairs and the like.
They DREAM of living the good life because they are hot or were the BJ queen in HS (the female version of the man-bunned junior douche who can't understand why he isn't VP of Wonderfulness at [URL]StartupApp.com[/URL] after two weeks on the job). But skip the material version of GPS gals.
the more down to earth they seem, the more appreciative they will be. Ask them to create a wishlist on Amazon or their favorite shopping sites. One SB I was prospecting (a regular contestant on the beauty pageant circuit, I figured would have some high end tastes. $39 shoes, $29 dresses. I was floored. She thought that would be a nice gift. I asked her to pick out something she would wear for my eyes only, and you get a pretty good insight into if they are the slutty or classy type.
Make up and skin care products are BIG hits with women. A. the good stuff is outrageously expensive for someone paying back student loans, etc. They buy theirs at the drug store or maybe the more mass market brands at ULTA or one of the beauty chain stores. Go to one of these stores, show them a picture of your "daughter" and ask what eye shadow, lip stick, foundation and blush work with her color. Let the expert pick it out. Same with skin care. Cleanser, toner, masque and mositurizer. They use them every day. No man EVER understands this shit. She will give you anal and let you take pictures just for being so thoughtful if you get QUALITY stuff she sees in the magazines. She would never spend $18 on a single lipstick when she can get a 4 pak of Revlon at WalMart for the same price, but she will parade that thing around in front of her friends like a 80's Wall Street Dick walked around with his BMW key fob subtly sticking out of his vest pocket. Skin care is a little pricier -- maybe $125 - $150, but it lasts 3 months and every time she uses it she will think of you.
Shop the sales -- . End of season is big. They are checking things out now that they are affordable, but still a stretch.
J Crew had 40% off the sale prices. $49 bucks a pair for some shoes perfect for the SBs work, (down from $135) -- $100 later and she thought she had died and gone to heaven. Ditto Nordstrom after Christmas. Shoes.com routinely has $30 off $90 purchase and 20 somethings think $90 shoes are extravagant. (FYI sizes are on the soles or on the instep, so take a peak after she kicks them off)
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3951532] But more and more women seem to be picking up on how to secure themselves in this manner.[/QUOTE]Does a burner provide them more security than an app? If not, why do they think it does?
Flowers from Kroger = Anal.
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3952315]Echoing the impact of a $50 dress.
Most sugarbabies are looking to live beyond their means -- but usually blow their allowances on a night of partying if they don't have any overdue bills or unexpected car repairs and the like.
They DREAM of living the good life because they are hot or were the BJ queen in HS (the female version of the man-bunned junior douche who can't understand why he isn't VP of Wonderfulness at [URL]StartupApp.com[/URL] after two weeks on the job). But skip the material version of GPS gals.
the more down to earth they seem, the more appreciative they will be. Ask them to create a wishlist on Amazon or their favorite shopping sites. One SB I was prospecting (a regular contestant on the beauty pageant circuit, I figured would have some high end tastes. $39 shoes, $29 dresses. I was floored. She thought that would be a nice gift. I asked her to pick out something she would wear for my eyes only, and you get a pretty good insight into if they are the slutty or classy type.
Make up and skin care products are BIG hits with women. A. the good stuff is outrageously expensive for someone paying back student loans, etc. They buy theirs at the drug store or maybe the more mass market brands at ULTA or one of the beauty chain stores. Go to one of these stores, show them a picture of your "daughter" and ask what eye shadow, lip stick, foundation and blush work with her color. Let the expert pick it out. Same with skin care. Cleanser, toner, masque and mositurizer. They use them every day. No man EVER understands this shit. She will give you anal and let you take pictures just for being so thoughtful if you get QUALITY stuff she sees in the magazines. She would never spend $18 on a single lipstick when she can get a 4 pak of Revlon at WalMart for the same price, but she will parade that thing around in front of her friends like a 80's Wall Street Dick walked around with his BMW key fob subtly sticking out of his vest pocket. Skin care is a little pricier -- maybe $125 - $150, but it lasts 3 months and every time she uses it she will think of you.
Shop the sales -- . End of season is big. They are checking things out now that they are affordable, but still a stretch.
J Crew had 40% off the sale prices. $49 bucks a pair for some shoes perfect for the SBs work, (down from $135) -- $100 later and she thought she had died and gone to heaven. Ditto Nordstrom after Christmas. Shoes.com routinely has $30 off $90 purchase and 20 somethings think $90 shoes are extravagant. (FYI sizes are on the soles or on the instep, so take a peak after she kicks them off)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HabsBurg;3952343]Does a burner provide them more security than an app? If not, why do they think it does?[/QUOTE]The goal for the girls is to have more info on you than you have on them. The ones savvy enough to understand phones today want to know a "hard" phone number (a number assigned by a LEC to a specific physical device or POTS landline) so if you crack their skull or rob them, they have something to give the cops or their BF / pimp to track you down. They know that the number they have from you may be an untraceable burner too, but at least the chance is higher that someone will be able to be tracked from a hard number than it is from an app. The girl may also do a whitepages-type lookup on the number and if it doesn't associate with a specific person, even though it's a physical phone and not an app, the girl ignore you.
In terms of raw security, a burner is more secure than GV or other app on a phone. Any app for your phone that assigns a pseudo number to act on your phone's behalf, like GV, has to at least have your phone's actual hard number stored on their servers - and that data can be subpoena-ed. A burner that required no personally identifying info to buy for cash and which you pay cash for reload cards offers zero paper trail back to you. But neither is completely secure, because both can be physically tracked down via the cell towers they connect to.
But a burner is also a separate physical device that can be found by someone. You can maybe explain it away, but it still raises questions if found. So does an app on your phone, *if* the person finding the phone is savvy enough to know what to look for and what the app does. Everybody's situation is different, but in my case, if my SO went thru my phone, having GV on it is considerably less risky than would be having pics of other women in the pics app or a bunch of unknown women's names in contacts.
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3952788]The goal for the girls is to have more info on you than you have on them. The ones savvy enough to understand phones today want to know a "hard" phone number (a number assigned by a LEC to a specific physical device or POTS landline) so if you crack their skull or rob them, they have something to give the cops or their BF / pimp to track you down. They know that the number they have from you may be an untraceable burner too, but at least the chance is higher that someone will be able to be tracked from a hard number than it is from an app. The girl may also do a whitepages-type lookup on the number and if it doesn't associate with a specific person, even though it's a physical phone and not an app, the girl ignore you.
In terms of raw security, a burner is more secure than GV or other app on a phone. Any app for your phone that assigns a pseudo number to act on your phone's behalf, like GV, has to at least have your phone's actual hard number stored on their servers - and that data can be subpoena-ed. A burner that required no personally identifying info to buy for cash and which you pay cash for reload cards offers zero paper trail back to you. But neither is completely secure, because both can be physically tracked down via the cell towers they connect to.
But a burner is also a separate physical device that can be found by someone. You can maybe explain it away, but it still raises questions if found. So does an app on your phone, *if* the person finding the phone is savvy enough to know what to look for and what the app does. Everybody's situation is different, but in my case, if my SO went thru my phone, having GV on it is considerably less risky than would be having pics of other women in the pics app or a bunch of unknown women's names in contacts.[/QUOTE]Having GV on your own, regular phone gives the chance that breadcrumbs are left on it that could be found by someone more tech savvy than the SO. Also, I know of specific cases where someone had messaged w / a POT on his regular phone using GV, she called, he replied, but unbeknownst to him at the time, the return call came from his real # instead of the GV# - so the POT got his real cell phone #. Not good. I have heard that one can delete GV from one's phone when done w / it, then re-install it. This seems like a pain, and must involve re-entering info each time this is done.
I made the mistake described above, I am not really sure how it happened, but luckily I did it on my burner, not on my regular cell phone. It didn't really bother me that the POT had my regular burner # in addition to my GV #. She was a little puzzled about it, thought it made me look more like a scammer, but it didn't have any long-term negative consequences.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3952952]Having GV on your own, regular phone gives the chance that breadcrumbs are left on it that could be found by someone more tech savvy than the SO. Also, I know of specific cases where someone had messaged w / a POT on his regular phone using GV, she called, he replied, but unbeknownst to him at the time, the return call came from his real # instead of the GV# - so the POT got his real cell phone #. Not good. I have heard that one can delete GV from one's phone when done w / it, then re-install it. This seems like a pain, and must involve re-entering info each time this is done.
I made the mistake described above, I am not really sure how it happened, but luckily I did it on my burner, not on my regular cell phone. It didn't really bother me that the POT had my regular burner # in addition to my GV #. She was a little puzzled about it, thought it made me look more like a scammer, but it didn't have any long-term negative consequences.[/QUOTE]All very true. Opsec requires awareness and care, regardless of whether you use a burner, an app or both. Each of us uses what works for and is comfortable for us based on our own situations and assessment of risks. There's no one "right" answer.
Bowl brothers. I am going to (maybe) TOFTT by getting a paid membership on a site other than seeking. I have profiles on Established Men and Secret Benefits, and there do seem to be some relevant women on them. I am thinking about other sites I have found including Age Match. Please advise me for or against any of these.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3952952]Having GV on your own, regular phone gives the chance that breadcrumbs are left on it that could be found by someone more tech savvy than the SO. Also, I know of specific cases where someone had messaged w / a POT on his regular phone using GV, she called, he replied, but unbeknownst to him at the time, the return call came from his real # instead of the GV# - so the POT got his real cell phone #. Not good. I have heard that one can delete GV from one's phone when done w / it, then re-install it. This seems like a pain, and must involve re-entering info each time this is done.
I made the mistake described above, I am not really sure how it happened, but luckily I did it on my burner, not on my regular cell phone. It didn't really bother me that the POT had my regular burner # in addition to my GV #. She was a little puzzled about it, thought it made me look more like a scammer, but it didn't have any long-term negative consequences.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3953192]All very true. Opsec requires awareness and care, regardless of whether you use a burner, an app or both. Each of us uses what works for and is comfortable for us based on our own situations and assessment of risks. There's no one "right" answer.[/QUOTE]All of this is just more proof that these girls are just hookers and we really think of them that way. Seriously, if I've been fucking a chick for 3 or 4 months, hiding everything becomes difficult.
For example, just take them to a bar (not a dive). Open a tab and give up your credit card. When you close, the bartender will walk up with the bill and your card and say, "thank you Mr. RogerOver. " I've had a girl tell me, "well, I'm going home and googling Roger Over. " LOL.
Seriously. Farfaraway, you keep mentioning that hot chick that "[i]craves[/i]" you. She has [b]no[/b] idea who you are IRL?
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3953384]All of this is just more proof that these girls are just hookers and we really think of them that way. Seriously, if I've been fucking a chick for 3 or 4 months, hiding everything becomes difficult.
For example, just take them to a bar (not a dive). Open a tab and give up your credit card. When you close, the bartender will walk up with the bill and your card and say, "thank you Mr. RogerOver. " I've had a girl tell me, "well, I'm going home and googling Roger Over. " LOL.
Seriously. Farfaraway, you keep mentioning that hot chick that "[i]craves[/i]" you. She has [b]no[/b] idea who you are IRL?[/QUOTE]I had that happen to me a month ago on a meet and greet. Same thing checking in a at hotel, I usually try to check in solo, but sometimes it is uncertain if a room will be needed.
[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3953453]I had that happen to me a month ago on a meet and greet. Same thing checking in a at hotel, I usually try to check in solo, but sometimes it is uncertain if a room will be needed.[/QUOTE]At a hotel, I ask SB to sit down in one of the lobby chairs out of ear shot of the front desk to avoid hearing the name usage. Or use the digital key option that the hilton brands are using. The latter is not a sure thing, sometimes you must stop by the lobby anyway.
Are you guys giving any donations at the meet and greet? I have not been, although I do pay for the meal if a meal is involved. One chick just wanted me to give 200 for the M& G! Please advise. I'm not paying the 200, I just wanted to know if this is standard practice.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;3954525]One chick just wanted me to give 200 for the M& G! Please advise. I'm not paying the 200, I just wanted to know if this is standard practice.[/QUOTE]I almost always do, with the amount varying depending on how interested I am in the girl. Usually $50 to $100 though, since it's a short date. $200 would have to be a perfect 10 girl.
IMO the choicest girls on the site are the ones who don't want to be paid for sex, and so paying them for a date without sex is the easiest way to get them to have sex with you.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;3954525]Are you guys giving any donations at the meet and greet? I have not been, although I do pay for the meal if a meal is involved. One chick just wanted me to give 200 for the M& G! Please advise. I'm not paying the 200, I just wanted to know if this is standard practice.[/QUOTE]No, it's definitely not standard practice, based on prior discussions. I'd cover a meal or coffee or something like that, but no outright gifts for a meet and greet.
[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3954790]No, it's definitely not standard practice, based on prior discussions. I'd cover a meal or coffee or something like that, but no outright gifts for a meet and greet.[/QUOTE]I also agree not normal. Any girl who wants to get paid just to go out on a date isn't taking the SB life style seriously. I would skip that. The sad part is the last time I got on SA almost every girl wanted to get paid for M&G.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3953384]All of this is just more proof that these girls are just hookers and we really think of them that way. Seriously, if I've been fucking a chick for 3 or 4 months, hiding everything becomes difficult.
For example, just take them to a bar (not a dive). Open a tab and give up your credit card. When you close, the bartender will walk up with the bill and your card and say, "thank you Mr. RogerOver. " I've had a girl tell me, "well, I'm going home and googling Roger Over. " LOL.
[/QUOTE]Try acquiring a bit of skill. You never use anything other than cash at a estaurant where you're pinned down into seats and vulnerable (because servers often mention the name on a card when they bring it to you), preferably not at a bar either, and if at a bar and you absolutely must use a card, never sit close to where tabs are being closed out -- leave her at the table to watch your jacket and her purse or whatever while you close it out. Anyone who has spent any amount of time protecting their identity knows that if you're really planning on surviving in this lifestyle, you need to be thinking about it at all times. And, if something unexpected happens and she does find out your name, then close the situation gracefully, without incident, and move on to the next. And, if you ever run into one stupid enough to say something like now that she knows your name she's going to google it, you just put on your poker face, say something funny like you hope she doesn't read about your serial killer background, and play it off like you couldn't care less. Then you send her home with cum stains on her dress, telling her you'll call her again and then you go dark.
Or optionally, just don't get married and leave all your assets on the table (that's the path I took). That, combined with a reasonable but not paranoid level of anonymity protection, keeps my cock happy enough. Aside from a paternity suit, there's not much any of these SBs could do to my life (other than moderate professional embarassment maybe) that could bring me down even if they tried.
Because I've designed around it.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;3954525]Are you guys giving any donations at the meet and greet? I have not been, although I do pay for the meal if a meal is involved. One chick just wanted me to give 200 for the M& G! Please advise. I'm not paying the 200, I just wanted to know if this is standard practice.[/QUOTE]It's not standard practice at all. Some guys do it when asked or as their default, but they're not actually converting any to the FC they wouldn't anyway even as they think they are.
If you're asked and refuse, in the proper and polite way where you explain where you're coming from, at least half will meet you anyway. The ones that won't are what are called rinsers, girls just looking to get paid to be bought dinner. And yes, that's a thing, some of them are very skilled at leading you to believe it's coming while they keep collecting platonic date money until you wise up and they find another sucker.
But the way you do it is you buy dinner, drinks, coffee whatever, some gas money if she drives in. Your time is as valuable as theirs and setting expectations that physical interaction is not required for assistance is how you get rinsed. In fact the true newbies I've had over the years, were not won over by money for platonic meets, but b / c I was willing to see them a few times for dates before expecting anything, usually just for coffee or drinks, to let them get comfortable. They got no allowances for that, I did a time or two provide a small gift (unasked) and I eventually converted almost if not all. The girl I'm ideally looking for values her comfort, safety, respect and that it will be positive and fun before proceeding.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3955047]Aside from a paternity suit, there's not much any of these SBs could do to my life (other than moderate professional embarassment maybe) that could bring me down even if they tried.
Because I've designed around it.[/QUOTE]You are a braver man than I. I mean, [I]"Aside from a paternity suit..."[/I] -- I'm a single guy like yourself, but holy s* I can't think of an outcome from sugaring much worse than that. You've written before about your penchant for BB and CIP, and while I'd be hard pressed to find anything more pleasurable than nutting deep inside a 21 year old co-ed, I have no idea how you sleep at night (not morally, but worry-wise).
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3955047]Try acquiring a bit of skill. You never use anything other than cash at a estaurant where you're pinned down into seats and vulnerable (because servers often mention the name on a card when they bring it to you), preferably not at a bar either, and if at a bar and you absolutely must use a card, never sit close to where tabs are being closed out -- leave her at the table to watch your jacket and her purse or whatever while you close it out. Anyone who has spent any amount of time protecting their identity knows that if you're really planning on surviving in this lifestyle, you need to be thinking about it at all times. And, if something unexpected happens and she does find out your name, then close the situation gracefully, without incident, and move on to the next. And, if you ever run into one stupid enough to say something like now that she knows your name she's going to google it, you just put on your poker face, say something funny like you hope she doesn't read about your serial killer background, and play it off like you couldn't care less. Then you send her home with cum stains on her dress, telling her you'll call her again and then you go dark.
Or optionally, just don't get married and leave all your assets on the table (that's the path I took). That, combined with a reasonable but not paranoid level of anonymity protection, keeps my cock happy enough. Aside from a paternity suit, there's not much any of these SBs could do to my life (other than moderate professional embarassment maybe) that could bring me down even if they tried.
Because I've designed around it.[/QUOTE]I've opted for number two. Not married and don't give a fuck if the girls know who I am. Generally, though, I'm eating at higher end places, dropping it on the expense credit card, and don't feel like the administrative overhead of getting my money back later.
I was providing an example of how everyday interactions can lead to a girl finding out your real name. I think my skill levels are doing ok. LOL.
[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3955469]You are a braver man than I. I mean, [I]"Aside from a paternity suit..."[/I] -- I'm a single guy like yourself, but holy s* I can't think of an outcome from sugaring much worse than that. You've written before about your penchant for BB and CIP, and while I'd be hard pressed to find anything more pleasurable than nutting deep inside a 21 year old co-ed, I have no idea how you sleep at night (not morally, but worry-wise).[/QUOTE]It's almost always bareback for me, but nutting inside them is the exception rather than the rule. My preference is to unload in their mouth or just spray their face or body. CIP usually only happens when their oral skills aren't good enough to get me off, or sometimes I just get the random urge. But I also don't stay with any one of them long enough to be too worried about it, and I also probably wouldn't cum inside if I thought my true identity had been compromised already.
In terms of being able to sleep nights -- I have gotten one pregnant, and yes it was incredibly stressful until I saw confirmation of the abortion paperwork, but that was a long time ago and my skills toward avoiding big problems are orders of magnitude better now. Not saying it could never happen, but between my sexual habits, the level of diligence I exert toward protecting my anonymity, and the fact that I don't stay with one long enough for her to devise a plan of attack, there's just not enough there to justify any level of preemptive paranoia.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;3954525]Are you guys giving any donations at the meet and greet? I have not been, although I do pay for the meal if a meal is involved. One chick just wanted me to give 200 for the M& G! Please advise. I'm not paying the 200, I just wanted to know if this is standard practice.[/QUOTE]Hell no. I would never do it, but to each their own.
[QUOTE=TwoDirection;3954669]IMO the choicest girls on the site are the ones who don't want to be paid for sex, and so paying them for a date without sex is the easiest way to get them to have sex with you.[/QUOTE]Good way to put it.
Apologies for the length, but I think it's an interesting story of how things can go when you go against conventional wisdom when your instincts are telling you to adapt to the circumstance.
As background, I've had some real mixed luck for the past few months, and by mid-August it was becoming clear that I had seriously misjudged my compatibility with an SB I started two weeks prior. Along the way I had seen a profile on SA of a 20-something that was interesting enough to for me to keep it in my favorite's, it was not enough for me to initiate contact. It was right around that time that she reached out to me asking if I was still looking. Was totally honest with her about what was going on, but she was game to strike up a conversation anyway. Shortly after I broke loose from my August SB and started the NSA dance.
One of my concerns was distance, as we're about 45 minutes apart in good traffic. When I asked her where she'd like to go out, she picked a place that was basically 10 minutes from me, which was surprising. In person she greatly exceeded my expectations. In retrospect, she was sending "I'm good to go" vibes in spades already. The "they-decide-in-the-first-five-minutes" rule in action. But I wanted another NSA to be sure, since August was such a fail.
For the 2nd NSA I offered to do the commute, and she picked a place really close to her. How do I know? While I'm on the road she asks if I'd rather carpool, and when I agreed she texts me her address. I took her up on it, and turns out her place is right on the way and only five minutes from the restaurant. During dinner and subsequent walk around town, I couldn't find anything wrong and an enormous amount that was right. Right down to where we got to negotiating a monthly (yes, another contrarian view), and when I said I couldn't do her first number, the second number she came back with was exactly what I had in mind. (to mitigate the risks of a monthly, we agreed to it split into two contributions each month).
So, after all that, I'm finally getting to the relevant part.
Now that we had come to an agreement, she offers to have us drive back to my place, go to hers, stay out, or whatever. We had already agreed to have overnights be part of the arrangement, so I agreed to just hang at her place that night, since she was offering. Fairly soon after that she mentioned that "I may not feel like having sex tonight", which I reassured her was fine. So we spend the rest of the evening curled up on her couch, drinking wine, talking, finding even more things we have in common, and end up just sharing her bed. Up until bedtime there had been plenty of physical flirting to signal that she was interested but for whatever reason didn't want to go there just yet.
While I'd prefer not to have the ambiguity, I'm figuring worst case I will have had some really pleasant companionship-something I value equally at this point. But if it doesn't clear the next hurdle in two weeks, I could cut my losses.
On the second overnight, a week later at my place, that hurdle was cleared and there's no longer any doubt that we're on the same page. I think in this particular instance it went a long way to allow her to let the sex develop more organically.
And she's the real deal. We have enough in common to make conversations effortless, but enough differences to keep them interesting. She is utterly down-to-earth, in the game both for the people-aspect as much as helping out her finances. She's pretty but not glamorously so, and as I found out on the second overnight, has a perfectly-proportioned athletic physique that is showing no signs that her teenage years are over. She can host, has no issue making the commute when I'm able to host, so there's no hotel overhead involved.
So sometimes it makes sense to bend the rules when your instincts are telling you that you've got a rare opportunity at landing "one of the good ones".
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;3954525]Are you guys giving any donations at the meet and greet? I have not been, although I do pay for the meal if a meal is involved. One chick just wanted me to give 200 for the M& G! Please advise. I'm not paying the 200, I just wanted to know if this is standard practice.[/QUOTE]I've only had one M&G that didn't lead straight to the FC but I gave her a $25 Starbucks card and we agreed to meet but I decided I wasn't interested after meeting in person (see, M&Gs go both ways gents). But I'm also pretty up front with my expectations and don't pull the trigger until I've found one that I'm serious about bedding. To each his own and this takes quite a bit of time to find the right SB but they're out there.
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[QUOTE=Almighty;3940462]Sooo, what's the deal with the new payment options? I always used to do the PayPal option. Haven't had a subscription for a few months. Tried to re-up, and can't do it by PayPal.
Are you guys just using your personal cc's? I went to the store and thought about getting a prepaid one, but it clearly states on the back of all the cards that they can only be used for transactions IN the us, to help fight terrorism, blah blah. And I saw on some post where someone's card was declined because it was an international transaction.
Anyone know of any way to use a type of cc where you don't have to give your name / info? I searched for subscription and membership in this thread and didn't find anything helpful.[/QUOTE]It doesn't address your personal info being shared but some card issuers provide an "internet" card number where you can set a short time limit and a spending cap. There used to be some browser security add-ins that would "tokenize" your card info to keep your info private.
Hopefully these might help a bit for what you are after.
Be safe,
Mo.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;3954525]Are you guys giving any donations at the meet and greet? I have not been, although I do pay for the meal if a meal is involved. One chick just wanted me to give 200 for the M& G! Please advise. I'm not paying the 200, I just wanted to know if this is standard practice.[/QUOTE]I've never paid a girl just to meet her to see if we're compatible, although I have had a few that asked. IMO there's no reason to do that as there's no guarantee that the two of us will click. For me it's just a red flag that the girl is shortsighted, getting some bad advice, or simply a 'rinser' looking to just get paid for being pretty and showing up. As such I politely decline and quickly move on.
*I always pick up the tab for coffee or lunch in the M&G, and in two occasions have given a gift card from one of the popular makeup chain stores to gorgeous, young hardbody coeds (if we hit it off) as the clincher. Both girls acted like they died and went to heaven and immediately wanted to begin things.
YayaGogo, what makeup chain store did you buy from? I can't say that I would know the first thing about which store to get get it from, LOL!
[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3958296]I've never paid a girl just to meet her to see if we're compatible, although I have had a few that asked. IMO there's no reason to do that as there's no guarantee that the two of us will click. For me it's just a red flag that the girl is shortsighted, getting some bad advice, or simply a 'rinser' looking to just get paid for being pretty and showing up. As such I politely decline and quickly move on.
*I always pick up the tab for coffee or lunch in the M&G, and in two occasions have given a gift card from one of the popular makeup chain stores to gorgeous, young hardbody coeds (if we hit it off) as the clincher. Both girls acted like they died and went to heaven and immediately wanted to begin things.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DSmith2704;3960107]YayaGogo, what makeup chain store did you buy from? I can't say that I would know the first thing about which store to get get it from, LOL![/QUOTE]Ulta is the Department store of beauty products.
Sephora little more sophisticated.
Blue Mercury top of the heap.
Also, SpaWish or SpaFinder (same company, diffrerent brand) Gift Cards can be bought at Sams Club for 20-25% off a $100 card.
Other GCs are available at less discounts (some local restaurants offer 20- 30% off, iTunes and Starbucks are like 5%.
So compensating your SB costs even less, and they will never know.
But being able to pick something out for them that they love will melt their hearts and spread their legs faster than anything. Half the time I meet my regular SB, I've sent her a $100 dress or pair of shoes the week before our meeting, and she ends up happy with that and the hotel cost reimbursement. They tend not to know what things cost -- especially things they can't afford -- and I get all kinds of deal emails for places like [URL]Shoes.com[/URL] that offer $40 off a $100 purchase -- so a $150 retail pair of shoes costs me $60 and gets me DPing her with toys while she blows me.
Agreed. Young girls always have and always will love clothes. I've also found that once I'm in an arrangement, watching their faces light up as you occasionally spend a couple hours going shopping with them to pick out a dress, lingerie or shoes they love ends up costing much less than an allowance, and boosts their sense that they don't feel like a h00 ker. They will do pretty much anything for you after that, and it's also fun watching them try on things for you. I say occasionally as most times we straight up meet at the FC.
*I buy makeup gift cards from Sephora at most malls. Again, I only pull those out as a way to clinch the deal AFTER I've verified on the initial meet if the girl is absolutely top shelf AND we click. I've only done it twice ever and they both were girls very new to the site (under one week), down to earth demeanor, and flooded with messages by competing SD's in my area. After starting things with me they also took down their profiles and have never been on since (verified by dummy / separate account). You have to be very selective if you're going to just hand out gifts. Good luck!
Yaya.
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3960820]Ulta is the Department store of beauty products.
Sephora little more sophisticated.
Blue Mercury top of the heap.
Also, SpaWish or SpaFinder (same company, diffrerent brand) Gift Cards can be bought at Sams Club for 20-25% off a $100 card.
Other GCs are available at less discounts (some local restaurants offer 20- 30% off, iTunes and Starbucks are like 5%.
So compensating your SB costs even less, and they will never know.
But being able to pick something out for them that they love will melt their hearts and spread their legs faster than anything. Half the time I meet my regular SB, I've sent her a $100 dress or pair of shoes the week before our meeting, and she ends up happy with that and the hotel cost reimbursement. They tend not to know what things cost -- especially things they can't afford -- and I get all kinds of deal emails for places like [URL]Shoes.com[/URL] that offer $40 off a $100 purchase -- so a $150 retail pair of shoes costs me $60 and gets me DPing her with toys while she blows me.[/QUOTE]
In a world where you can track down relatives through DNA testing, doesn't that upset the illusion that anonymity can protect you from an unplanned, undesired, or unknown pregnancy?
[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3961923]In a world where you can track down relatives through DNA testing, doesn't that upset the illusion that anonymity can protect you from an unplanned, undesired, or unknown pregnancy?[/QUOTE]This is not a world where you can be found through DNA testing if your DNA has not been tested. I know about the test lab people send DNA samples to for ancestor identification, now limited to finding out if you are a German or whatever decedent not so you can find your long lost father at least not if his DNA is not in the data bank. With NSA and other government and non government snooping (Google for one) it is becoming harder to protect your privacy. Universal DNA testing is too horrible to contemplate.